sicelo | Not sure about the new mc-tool, but with the older one in Fremantle, you needed to use a 'request' argument ... something like 'request online' | 01:17 |
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* sicelo doesn't have his n900 handy | 01:17 | |
freemangordon | norayr: let me try | 07:53 |
freemangordon | "Mission Control 5 implements the AccountManager and ChannelDispatcher" | 08:26 |
freemangordon | that means it will not connect for us | 08:27 |
freemangordon | Wizzup: may I have access to conversation ui code? | 09:07 |
freemangordon | I mean - where it is? | 09:08 |
Wizzup | https://github.com/maemo-leste/conversations | 09:08 |
Wizzup | master is not hte latest | 09:08 |
Wizzup | telep is, but it needs some rebasing (see commit msgs ;-) ) | 09:09 |
Wizzup | https://github.com/powervr-graphics/PowerVR-Series1 | 12:13 |
Wizzup | now we just need the code for the ones in between | 12:14 |
norayr | freemangordon: but if it connected, would we see that this person is online, and this person is away? is it implemented in osso-abook? | 12:21 |
norayr | oh, he's not here now. | 12:23 |
sicelo | Wizzup: interesting! Miracles this year | 12:25 |
bencoh | that's kinda unexpected | 13:23 |
tmlind | huh? that's cool although maybe a bit late to release it :) | 13:25 |
bencoh | :] | 13:25 |
tmlind | should have happened at least 10 years ago.. | 13:25 |
tmlind | still interesting | 13:25 |
dsc_ | ola | 13:36 |
freemangordon | Wizzup: now we need a mesa driver for the ones in berween :) | 13:46 |
Wizzup | dsc_: yo | 15:46 |
buZz | is that Series1 in any device we support? | 16:32 |
bencoh | err, not really, no ;) | 16:36 |
buZz | :( aw | 16:38 |
buZz | in what devices are they? | 16:39 |
bencoh | apparently old PCI cards | 16:39 |
buZz | the 'arcade' one too? | 16:40 |
bencoh | could be, no idea | 16:51 |
norayr | somebody please package dino from 'handy' branch. | 17:04 |
norayr | (so i don't have to) | 17:04 |
norayr | (i understand how bad it sounds) | 17:05 |
norayr | (just i have three jobs now, it'll take some time until i get more free) | 17:05 |
norayr | dino from handy branch draws a back button on small screens, to go to the contact list, instead of showing contacts and chat window simultaneously. | 17:06 |
norayr | also it has a call button, so you can make audio/video calls. | 17:06 |
norayr | with conversations it works. | 17:06 |
norayr | calls from conversations to dino and vice versa. | 17:06 |
dsc_ | link? | 17:08 |
norayr | link to the source? | 17:22 |
norayr | minute | 17:22 |
norayr | https://dino.im/ | 17:23 |
buZz | 12:13:47 < Wizzup> https://github.com/powervr-graphics/PowerVR-Series1 | 17:23 |
norayr | searching for the repo | 17:23 |
norayr | i had it | 17:23 |
buZz | https://github.com/dino/dino | 17:23 |
norayr | this is the branch we need: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/handy | 17:24 |
norayr | handy branch. | 17:24 |
buZz | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/dino-im | 17:24 |
buZz | shouldnt you already have it? | 17:24 |
buZz | try apt install dino-im :D | 17:24 |
lel | norayr closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/613 (no ambient light sensor driver loaded on pinephone) | 17:34 |
* Wizzup has a /29 at home again | 17:43 | |
Wizzup | neat | 17:44 |
norayr | no no | 17:44 |
norayr | that's the proper dino | 17:44 |
norayr | not from handy branch | 17:45 |
norayr | what we need on phone is dino from handy branch | 17:45 |
norayr | this: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/handy | 17:45 |
norayr | only this has the interface features for small screens | 17:45 |
norayr | as well as call button. | 17:45 |
norayr | and it can receive audio/video calls. | 17:46 |
uvos | we dont really have libhandy support | 18:13 |
uvos | i mean we do | 18:13 |
uvos | but its so old its mostly useless because the apis changed a lot | 18:13 |
uvos | and nothing used libhandy when our debian version was frozen | 18:13 |
uvos | this (runing phosh applications) would be a big benefit to updating our debian/devuan base | 18:14 |
uvos | we kind of have the same issue with plamo apps i tried, centering round qt versions | 18:19 |
uvos | lots of the mobile development outside leste is quite new so running debian oldstable is a bit of an issue | 18:19 |
uvos | but ofc this will hopefully be resolved soon(ish) with us moving to chimaera | 18:20 |
uvos | main blocker there being the removal of gconf | 18:21 |
norayr | uvos, are you sure dino from handy branch uses libhandy? | 19:40 |
norayr | is libhandy hard to build on older debian? | 19:40 |
uvos | norayr: yes https://github.com/dino/dino/blob/c848191a034a920266687002045abc5e1f42b070/main/CMakeLists.txt#L16 | 19:46 |
uvos | norayr: libhandy is farily tied to gtk versions so probubly yes, but i have not tried | 19:47 |
norayr | someone gave me an old device, atom in a small case, almost like a flash drive, but connects to hdmi port. | 19:54 |
norayr | i believe it was produced around 2010 | 19:55 |
norayr | i can check, not later than 2013 | 19:55 |
norayr | so i was using debian on it. | 19:55 |
norayr | (was thinking to use leste, btw) | 19:55 |
norayr | and i love xscreensaver. | 19:55 |
norayr | so most of the time this device connected to the tvset was just showing xscreensaver's random screensaver. | 19:55 |
norayr | but it would inevitably hang if left so for several hours. always less than 24 hours, mostly less than 12. | 19:56 |
norayr | there was some software bug in a video driver, i believe i found discussions about it. | 19:56 |
norayr | so eventually, in summer 2021 after the new debian release, i have upgraded the os, and the bug disappeared. now it can show xscreensaver for months. | 19:57 |
norayr | i mean this is how slow is debian. | 19:57 |
norayr | i got a bugfix at the time probably only i use that device. | 19:57 |
norayr | when that device is almost forgotten. | 19:57 |
sicelo | 😆 | 20:00 |
sicelo | Put Leste on it | 20:00 |
norayr | yes, i wanted. now i know that leste is that old debian which has a video driver bug. | 20:17 |
norayr | also there was another problem - i had to do it by hand, i guess, because we have the qemu image for amd64, so i had to convert it to .img raw and dd it. | 20:18 |
buZz | norayr: leste is 100% current devuan | 20:29 |
buZz | which is 99% current debian | 20:29 |
buZz | not sure why you have 'old debian' in your mind ;) | 20:29 |
buZz | -maemo- is, leste isnt | 20:30 |
norayr | it's old stable, we just discussed, and i told a story about that device that has a bug in video card driver. | 20:33 |
norayr | which was eventually solved in new release this summer. | 20:34 |
norayr | in 2021 | 20:34 |
norayr | after like 10 years after the device was produced. | 20:34 |
norayr | i mean maemo is oldstable. we also discussed that it's hard to build libhandy on it. | 20:34 |
norayr | i had troubles building 'megapixels' app. | 20:34 |
norayr | because it wants gtk4, and we don't have it in our debian. | 20:35 |
norayr | i love maemo, don't get me wrong. that's the best mobile os even today. | 20:35 |
norayr | for me. | 20:35 |
norayr | i mean leste. | 20:35 |
buZz | right, devuan beowulf, buster | 20:37 |
buZz | its not buzz :P | 20:37 |
norly | gconf still seems to exist in debian 11, albeit as a legacy thing. am i missing something? | 20:37 |
uvos | norayr: you can just install devuan and then add our repos and install hildon-meta | 20:38 |
buZz | nice | 20:38 |
uvos | the images are really just for conveniance for certain devices | 20:39 |
norly | uvos: is gconf dropped from devuan 11? | 20:40 |
uvos | yes | 20:40 |
norly | but not from debian 11? | 20:40 |
uvos | no for both | 20:41 |
uvos | and all of maemo uses gconf - hevly, often, unfortionatly as hacky ipc | 20:41 |
norly | lol i didn't know the ipc part | 20:41 |
norly | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/gconf2 | 20:42 |
uvos | yeah stuff like the state of the keyboard is a gconf key :P | 20:42 |
norly | i got confused because i spotted this package | 20:42 |
norly | oh so is the keyboard state backed up by the backup app? :D | 20:43 |
uvos | hmm that confuses me too, the documentation to debian 10 states that gconf will be removed next version | 20:44 |
uvos | maybe the descision was reversed? Wizzup, know whats up? ^^^ | 20:44 |
norly | either way, it'd just kick the can down the road. i suppose it'll be removed in the next version then | 20:45 |
norly | still, python2 removal is likely a bigger issue, i suppose? | 20:45 |
uvos | not really | 20:45 |
uvos | not a lot of phython usage in core stuff | 20:45 |
norly | ah good | 20:46 |
norly | btw, one more question :) i just tried leste after many nears without my n900, so please bear with me | 20:46 |
norly | i noticed lot of hildon l10n packages - that really makes the package list unwieldy. any plans on bundling them together? | 20:47 |
uvos | no not atm | 20:48 |
uvos | but yeah i dislike this too | 20:48 |
norly | ah so i suppose it's a maemo leftover then. thanks | 20:48 |
uvos | no i think parazyd choose this layout | 20:48 |
uvos | its not really a big deal tho | 20:49 |
norly | well it makes app discovery via apt search really hard | 20:49 |
norly | i tried to search for hildon plugins and... | 20:50 |
norly | i'm not sure the tradeoff for saving a few translation files off the flash is a good one | 20:50 |
uvos | yeah grep -v is your freind here | 20:50 |
norly | anyway, just my 2 cents, if anyone cares | 20:51 |
uvos | it dosent even save any flash since they all get installed anyhow | 20:52 |
norly | thanks for all your effort, it got my n900 bug started again :) | 20:52 |
norly | awww | 20:52 |
norly | yeah then they can really be collapsed into one | 20:52 |
norly | oh, how did ui-fonts come to leste? that seems to be a very recent development. new nokia donations? | 20:54 |
norayr | uvos: i can install the latest devuan? and add hildon? wow! | 21:25 |
norayr | wow, they remove gconf? means they gnome gets rid of gconf? what they replace it with? | 21:27 |
uvos | norayr: no | 21:29 |
uvos | norayr: you have to install beowulf | 21:29 |
uvos | norayr: gconf was replaced by gsettings/dconf over a decade ago | 21:29 |
norayr | oh! | 21:41 |
norayr | anyone knows who were trying to package megapixels? | 21:50 |
MartijnBraam[m] | why megapixels? isn't the open camera app from the maemo repository way better for the n900 sensor? | 21:51 |
MartijnBraam[m] | since it actually works :P | 21:51 |
uvos | all the backend for the n900 camera is closed source | 21:52 |
uvos | and probubly not worth reing since its tied to the vendor kernel and to the n900s sensor | 21:52 |
MartijnBraam[m] | right, I tried to get the camera working in megapixels but had no luck with actually getting pixels from the sensor in mainline | 21:53 |
norayr | Martijn, wow you notice what is happening here! | 21:59 |
norayr | I run maemo-leste on pinephone and droid4. not on n900. | 21:59 |
MartijnBraam[m] | ah makes sense | 22:00 |
MartijnBraam[m] | (I just get pinged on megapixels :P) | 22:00 |
norayr | btw i customized megapixels when i was using it under pmos, to apply my favourite luts when generating jpegs. | 22:00 |
norayr | i love that feature. | 22:00 |
norayr | but i don't want to go back to phosh anymore, i like leste. | 22:00 |
MartijnBraam[m] | heh nice | 22:00 |
norayr | i tried to build it actually, and i have built megapixels-legacy. | 22:00 |
MartijnBraam[m] | how do you apply the luts? | 22:00 |
norayr | because megapixels proper required gtk4. | 22:00 |
norayr | with imagemagick. hald cluts. | 22:01 |
MartijnBraam[m] | ah | 22:01 |
norayr | let me show you the config, wait. it's on github. | 22:01 |
MartijnBraam[m] | I'm kinda breaking that workflow with the new postprocessing | 22:01 |
norayr | but i was able to build megapixels-legacy some time ago. | 22:01 |
norayr | and i don't understand if megapixels-legacy is ok, or is it outdated source? | 22:01 |
norayr | oh | 22:01 |
MartijnBraam[m] | megapixels-legacy is not really maintained | 22:01 |
MartijnBraam[m] | it's just an easier codebase to test stuff with, and it was required for distros with broken gtk4 | 22:02 |
norayr | hmm, is there a possibility to build megapixels without gtk4? | 22:02 |
MartijnBraam[m] | I think a hald-clut still works at the end of the pipeline after the new postprocessing | 22:02 |
norayr | so megapixels is more up to date than megapixels-legacy? | 22:02 |
MartijnBraam[m] | not really, it requires gtk4 features | 22:02 |
MartijnBraam[m] | that's why it was moved over to gtk4, otherwise I couldn't use the gpu for acceleration | 22:03 |
norayr | https://github.com/norayr/home_sweet_home/blob/master/scripts/pinephone/.config/megapixels/postprocess.sh | 22:03 |
norayr | this is my postprocess file. | 22:03 |
norayr | https://github.com/norayr/home_sweet_home/blob/master/scripts/pinephone/.config/megapixels/postprocess.sh#L77 | 22:03 |
MartijnBraam[m] | oh nice, some film stock emulations :D | 22:04 |
MartijnBraam[m] | this should still work | 22:04 |
norayr | yes, i anyway apply those to the ready jpegs, so applying just at the time of generation is ideal. | 22:04 |
norayr | yay! | 22:04 |
norayr | do you know if anyone tries to build megapixels at least for sailfish? | 22:05 |
norayr | gtk4 works there with wayland. | 22:06 |
MartijnBraam[m] | no idea | 22:06 |
norayr | eh. | 22:06 |
norayr | (: | 22:06 |
* norayr thinking if i can figure out how to take a photo without showing the video on the screen. | 22:07 | |
norayr | if he can | 22:07 |
norayr | from the source code. | 22:07 |
norayr | and then write a script or a simple app with a button to take a photo. | 22:07 |
norayr | without seeing what i take. | 22:08 |
norayr | that's also ok with me. (: | 22:08 |
norayr | uvos: is it possible to detect a swipe from the edge of the screen by hildon, not by the application? | 22:10 |
norayr | it would be cool to be able to detect a swipe from the edge and instigate the same behaviour that occurs when user clicks on the hildon button | 22:11 |
norayr | at the left upper corner. | 22:11 |
uvos | so libinput has support for sutch gestures | 22:11 |
uvos | and recently a xorg extension has been added to acess them | 22:12 |
norayr | it's much easier to swipe from right to left to 'minimize' instead of reaching with a finger to the left upper corner. | 22:12 |
norayr | so it's not app that detects it, it's xorg and libinput. | 22:12 |
uvos | yeah the hildon button is in the optimally terrible place | 22:12 |
norayr | yeas especially on a big pinephone screen. | 22:12 |
uvos | on d4 its not so bad | 22:12 |
uvos | since it has the home key | 22:12 |
norayr | true! | 22:12 |
norayr | but probably support for gestures is not in our devuan. | 22:13 |
uvos | we build very new x | 22:13 |
uvos | that has this extension afaik | 22:13 |
uvos | idk if your libinput is new enough | 22:13 |
uvos | maybe so | 22:13 |
norayr | my? my libinput is what maemo has. | 22:14 |
uvos | right your/our | 22:14 |
norayr | ah. | 22:14 |
uvos | i suspect its new enough | 22:14 |
bencoh | on n900/fremantle I used wayv to mimic "gestures" | 22:28 |
bencoh | (detected as such only when starting from the edge of the screen) | 22:28 |
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