libera/#maemo-leste/ Wednesday, 2022-03-23

siceloNot sure about the new mc-tool, but with the older one in Fremantle, you needed to use a 'request'  argument ... something like 'request online'01:17
* sicelo doesn't have his n900 handy01:17
freemangordonnorayr: let me try07:53
freemangordon"Mission  Control 5 implements the AccountManager and ChannelDispatcher"08:26
freemangordonthat means it will not connect for us08:27
freemangordonWizzup: may I have access to conversation ui code?09:07
freemangordonI mean - where it is?09:08
Wizzuphttps://github.com/maemo-leste/conversations09:08
Wizzupmaster is not hte latest09:08
Wizzuptelep is, but it needs some rebasing (see commit msgs ;-) )09:09
Wizzuphttps://github.com/powervr-graphics/PowerVR-Series112:13
Wizzupnow we just need the code for the ones in between12:14
norayrfreemangordon: but if it connected, would we see that this person is online, and this person is away? is it implemented in osso-abook?12:21
norayroh, he's not here now.12:23
siceloWizzup: interesting! Miracles this year12:25
bencohthat's kinda unexpected13:23
tmlindhuh? that's cool although maybe a bit late to release it :)13:25
bencoh:]13:25
tmlindshould have happened at least 10 years ago..13:25
tmlindstill interesting13:25
dsc_ola13:36
freemangordonWizzup: now we need a mesa driver for the ones in berween :)13:46
Wizzupdsc_: yo15:46
buZzis that Series1 in any device we support?16:32
bencoherr, not really, no ;)16:36
buZz:( aw16:38
buZzin what devices are they?16:39
bencohapparently old PCI cards16:39
buZzthe 'arcade' one too?16:40
bencohcould be, no idea16:51
norayrsomebody please package dino from 'handy' branch.17:04
norayr(so i don't have to)17:04
norayr(i understand how bad it sounds)17:05
norayr(just i have three jobs now, it'll take some time until i get more free)17:05
norayrdino from handy branch draws a back button on small screens, to go to the contact list, instead of showing contacts and chat window simultaneously.17:06
norayralso it has a call button, so you can make audio/video calls.17:06
norayrwith conversations it works.17:06
norayrcalls from conversations to dino and vice versa.17:06
dsc_link?17:08
norayrlink to the source?17:22
norayrminute17:22
norayrhttps://dino.im/17:23
buZz12:13:47 < Wizzup> https://github.com/powervr-graphics/PowerVR-Series117:23
norayrsearching for the repo17:23
norayri had it17:23
buZzhttps://github.com/dino/dino17:23
norayrthis is the branch we need: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/handy17:24
norayrhandy branch.17:24
buZzhttps://packages.debian.org/bullseye/dino-im17:24
buZzshouldnt you already have it?17:24
buZztry apt install dino-im :D17:24
lelnorayr closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/613 (no ambient light sensor driver loaded on pinephone)17:34
* Wizzup has a /29 at home again17:43
Wizzupneat17:44
norayrno no17:44
norayrthat's the proper dino17:44
norayrnot from handy branch17:45
norayrwhat we need on phone is dino from handy branch17:45
norayrthis: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/handy17:45
norayronly this has the interface features for small screens17:45
norayras well as call button.17:45
norayrand it can receive audio/video calls.17:46
uvoswe dont really have libhandy support18:13
uvosi mean we do18:13
uvosbut its so old its mostly useless because the apis changed a lot18:13
uvosand nothing used libhandy when our debian version was frozen18:13
uvosthis (runing phosh applications) would be a big benefit to updating our debian/devuan base18:14
uvoswe kind of have the same issue with plamo apps i tried, centering round qt versions18:19
uvoslots of the mobile development outside leste is quite new so running debian oldstable is a bit of an issue18:19
uvosbut ofc this will hopefully be resolved soon(ish) with us moving to chimaera18:20
uvosmain blocker there being the removal of gconf18:21
norayruvos, are you sure dino from handy branch uses libhandy?19:40
norayris libhandy hard to build on older debian?19:40
uvosnorayr: yes https://github.com/dino/dino/blob/c848191a034a920266687002045abc5e1f42b070/main/CMakeLists.txt#L1619:46
uvosnorayr: libhandy is farily tied to gtk versions so probubly yes, but i have not tried19:47
norayrsomeone gave me an old device, atom in a small case, almost like a flash drive, but connects to hdmi port.19:54
norayri believe it was produced around 201019:55
norayri can check, not later than 201319:55
norayrso i was using debian on it.19:55
norayr(was thinking to use leste, btw)19:55
norayrand i love xscreensaver.19:55
norayrso most of the time this device connected to the tvset was just showing xscreensaver's random screensaver.19:55
norayrbut it would inevitably hang if left so for several hours. always less than 24 hours, mostly less than 12.19:56
norayrthere was some software bug in a video driver, i believe i found discussions about it.19:56
norayrso eventually, in summer 2021 after the new debian release, i have upgraded the os, and the bug disappeared. now it can show xscreensaver for months.19:57
norayri mean this is how slow is debian.19:57
norayri got a bugfix at the time probably only i use that device.19:57
norayrwhen that device is almost forgotten.19:57
sicelo😆20:00
siceloPut Leste on it20:00
norayryes, i wanted. now i know that leste is that old debian which has a video driver bug.20:17
norayralso there was another problem - i had to do it by hand, i guess, because we have the qemu image for amd64, so i had to convert it to .img raw and dd it.20:18
buZznorayr: leste is 100% current devuan20:29
buZzwhich is 99% current debian20:29
buZznot sure why you have 'old debian' in your mind ;)20:29
buZz-maemo- is, leste isnt20:30
norayrit's old stable, we just discussed, and i told a story about that device that has a bug in video card driver.20:33
norayrwhich was eventually solved in new release this summer.20:34
norayrin 202120:34
norayrafter like 10 years after the device was produced.20:34
norayri mean maemo is oldstable. we also discussed that it's hard to build libhandy on it.20:34
norayri had troubles building 'megapixels' app.20:34
norayrbecause it wants gtk4, and we don't have it in our debian.20:35
norayri love maemo, don't get me wrong. that's the best mobile os even today.20:35
norayrfor me.20:35
norayri mean leste.20:35
buZzright, devuan beowulf, buster20:37
buZzits not buzz :P20:37
norlygconf still seems to exist in debian 11, albeit as a legacy thing. am i missing something?20:37
uvosnorayr: you can just install devuan and then add our repos and install hildon-meta20:38
buZznice20:38
uvosthe images are really just for conveniance for certain devices20:39
norlyuvos: is gconf dropped from devuan 11?20:40
uvosyes20:40
norlybut not from debian 11?20:40
uvosno for both20:41
uvosand all of maemo uses gconf - hevly, often, unfortionatly as hacky ipc20:41
norlylol i didn't know the ipc part20:41
norlyhttps://packages.debian.org/bullseye/gconf220:42
uvosyeah stuff like the state  of the keyboard is a gconf key :P20:42
norlyi got confused because i spotted this package20:42
norlyoh so is the keyboard state backed up by the backup app? :D20:43
uvoshmm that confuses me too, the documentation to debian 10 states that gconf will be removed next version20:44
uvosmaybe the descision was reversed? Wizzup, know whats up? ^^^20:44
norlyeither way, it'd just kick the can down the road. i suppose it'll be removed in the next version then20:45
norlystill, python2 removal is likely a bigger issue, i suppose?20:45
uvosnot really20:45
uvosnot a lot of phython usage in core stuff20:45
norlyah good20:46
norlybtw, one more question :) i just tried leste after many nears without my n900, so please bear with me20:46
norlyi noticed lot of hildon l10n packages - that really makes the package list unwieldy. any plans on bundling them together?20:47
uvosno not atm20:48
uvosbut yeah i dislike this too20:48
norlyah so i suppose it's a maemo leftover then. thanks20:48
uvosno i think parazyd choose this layout20:48
uvosits not really  a big deal tho20:49
norlywell it makes app discovery via apt search really hard20:49
norlyi tried to search for hildon plugins and...20:50
norlyi'm not sure the tradeoff for saving a few translation files off the flash is a good one20:50
uvosyeah grep -v is your freind here20:50
norlyanyway, just my 2 cents, if anyone cares20:51
uvosit dosent even save any flash since they all get installed anyhow20:52
norlythanks for all your effort, it got my n900 bug started again :)20:52
norlyawww20:52
norlyyeah then they can really be collapsed into one20:52
norlyoh, how did ui-fonts come to leste? that seems to be a very recent development. new nokia donations?20:54
norayruvos: i can install the latest devuan? and add hildon? wow!21:25
norayrwow, they remove gconf? means they gnome gets rid of gconf? what they replace it with?21:27
uvosnorayr: no21:29
uvosnorayr: you have to install beowulf21:29
uvosnorayr: gconf was replaced by gsettings/dconf over a decade ago21:29
norayroh!21:41
norayranyone knows who were trying to package megapixels?21:50
MartijnBraam[m]why megapixels? isn't the open camera app from the maemo repository way better for the n900 sensor?21:51
MartijnBraam[m]since it actually works :P21:51
uvosall the backend for the n900 camera is closed source21:52
uvosand probubly not worth reing since its tied to the vendor kernel and to the n900s sensor21:52
MartijnBraam[m]right, I tried to get the camera working in megapixels but had no luck with actually getting pixels from the sensor in mainline21:53
norayrMartijn, wow you notice what is happening here!21:59
norayrI run maemo-leste on pinephone and droid4. not on n900.21:59
MartijnBraam[m]ah makes sense22:00
MartijnBraam[m](I just get pinged on megapixels :P)22:00
norayrbtw i customized megapixels when i was using it under pmos, to apply my favourite luts when generating jpegs.22:00
norayri love that feature.22:00
norayrbut i don't want to go back to phosh anymore, i like leste.22:00
MartijnBraam[m]heh nice22:00
norayri tried to build it actually, and i have built megapixels-legacy.22:00
MartijnBraam[m]how do you apply the luts?22:00
norayrbecause megapixels proper required gtk4.22:00
norayrwith imagemagick. hald cluts.22:01
MartijnBraam[m]ah22:01
norayrlet me show you the config, wait. it's on github.22:01
MartijnBraam[m]I'm kinda breaking that workflow with the new postprocessing22:01
norayrbut i was able to build megapixels-legacy some time ago.22:01
norayrand i don't understand if megapixels-legacy is ok, or is it outdated source?22:01
norayroh22:01
MartijnBraam[m]megapixels-legacy is not really maintained22:01
MartijnBraam[m]it's just an easier codebase to test stuff with, and it was required for distros with broken gtk422:02
norayrhmm, is there a possibility to build megapixels without gtk4?22:02
MartijnBraam[m]I think a hald-clut still works at the end of the pipeline after the new postprocessing22:02
norayrso megapixels is more up to date than megapixels-legacy?22:02
MartijnBraam[m]not really, it requires gtk4 features22:02
MartijnBraam[m]that's why it was moved over to gtk4, otherwise I couldn't use the gpu for acceleration22:03
norayrhttps://github.com/norayr/home_sweet_home/blob/master/scripts/pinephone/.config/megapixels/postprocess.sh22:03
norayrthis is my postprocess file.22:03
norayrhttps://github.com/norayr/home_sweet_home/blob/master/scripts/pinephone/.config/megapixels/postprocess.sh#L7722:03
MartijnBraam[m]oh nice, some  film stock emulations :D22:04
MartijnBraam[m]this should still work22:04
norayryes, i anyway apply those to the ready jpegs, so applying just at the time of generation is ideal.22:04
norayryay!22:04
norayrdo you know if anyone tries to build megapixels at least for sailfish?22:05
norayrgtk4 works there with wayland.22:06
MartijnBraam[m]no idea22:06
norayreh.22:06
norayr(:22:06
* norayr thinking if i can figure out how to take a photo without showing the video on the screen.22:07
norayrif he can22:07
norayrfrom the source code.22:07
norayrand then write a script or a simple app with a button to take a photo.22:07
norayrwithout seeing what i take.22:08
norayrthat's also ok with me. (:22:08
norayruvos: is it possible to detect a swipe from the edge of the screen by hildon, not by the application?22:10
norayrit would be cool to be able to detect a swipe from the edge and instigate the same behaviour that occurs when user clicks on the hildon button22:11
norayrat the left upper corner.22:11
uvosso libinput has support for sutch gestures22:11
uvosand recently a xorg extension has been added to acess them22:12
norayrit's much easier to swipe from right to left to 'minimize' instead of reaching with a finger to the left upper corner.22:12
norayrso it's not app that detects it, it's xorg and libinput.22:12
uvosyeah the hildon button is in the optimally terrible place22:12
norayryeas especially on a big pinephone screen.22:12
uvoson d4 its not so bad22:12
uvossince it has the home key22:12
norayrtrue!22:12
norayrbut probably support for gestures is not in our devuan.22:13
uvoswe build very new x22:13
uvosthat has this extension afaik22:13
uvosidk if your libinput is new enough22:13
uvosmaybe so22:13
norayrmy? my libinput is what maemo has.22:14
uvosright your/our22:14
norayrah.22:14
uvosi suspect its new enough22:14
bencohon n900/fremantle I used wayv to mimic "gestures"22:28
bencoh(detected as such only when starting from the edge of the screen)22:28

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