| sicelo | the idea and solution not perfect (plus script is unfinished yet). if you think there's a way for this to be implemented in kernel itself, that'd be even better | 00:02 |
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| noch | would be interesting to see screenshots of phosh on n900. | 00:24 |
| noch | was it in landscape mode? | 00:24 |
| noch | but i have to say, maybe again, how i dislike phosh. because it takes screenshot of the window, like android. | 00:25 |
| noch | not like maemo. and when you navigate through the list of opened programs | 00:25 |
| noch | you see screenshots | 00:25 |
| noch | you don't see those are alive. | 00:25 |
| noch | you don't see something is happening inside. | 00:25 |
| noch | you see a screenshot of a terminal with top in it, top does not update. | 00:26 |
| noch | also usability wise it is not convenient to search a window like that. | 00:26 |
| noch | and it is not convenient to scroll among these windows to find | 00:26 |
| noch | the one you need | 00:26 |
| noch | in maemo it is very cool. | 00:26 |
| noch | you see all the opened windows | 00:26 |
| noch | and you see the updates in windows. | 00:27 |
| sicelo | yes | 00:30 |
| sicelo | but of all the modern mobile DEs, i'd say phosh is the one more closely related to maemo/hildon. some of the main people there are ex-maemo users/devs (and still own/use N900, at least once in a while) | 00:32 |
| sicelo | noch: the squeekboard dev, for example, https://dcz_self.gitlab.io/posts/rust_maemo | 00:32 |
| noch | squeekboard is good, better than our keyboard. | 00:33 |
| Pali | sicelo: I have never investigated how bq27x00 could be configured. I even do not remember if I read this part of spec. | 00:36 |
| Pali | So I could not help with this. | 00:38 |
| sicelo | noch: https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jWYinsOOHhHbWJvGeLRnFZPE | 00:39 |
| sicelo | Pali: alright. i also found out about the WRTNAC only today while re-reading the datasheet. the script is working already, but i wanted to know if there are ways to improve it, or even if this the job of userspace or kernel. i think it's userspace because it's very N900 specific | 00:41 |
| sicelo | s/WRTNAC/WRTNAC register/ | 00:41 |
| sicelo | noch: and this was Gnome 42, https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/quThLRcVGEccOAVlGOgYQQwF | 00:43 |
| noch | sicelo, wow thank you for sharing1 | 00:44 |
| noch | sicelo, wow thank you for sharing! | 00:44 |
| noch | omg, gnome worked with 256m of ram? | 00:45 |
| sicelo | on idle it had about 110MB RAM in use :-) | 00:46 |
| sicelo | tbh, i didn't use it much ... that N900 touchscreen doesn't work properly | 00:46 |
| sicelo | noch: fun thing is - i didn't even use 3D acceleration. i wonder how it would have performed or felt if i had done so | 00:48 |
| noch | so gnome is possible to use withoet 3d acceleration? or you mean you didn't try some 3d things? | 00:49 |
| noch | was that pmos? | 00:49 |
| noch | i can try to boot a recent mainline from sdcard on n810 and uboot. | 00:50 |
| noch | but i don't know, i need to turn many things off in kernel to save memory, probably. | 00:50 |
| sicelo | yes pmos. honestly, i don't think gnome42 and phosh are worth one's time on N900 (and N810). it was mostly proof-of-concept (okay ... also i wanted to play phosh's feedbackd that seems very interesting) | 00:52 |
| sicelo | i think for N810, i3 makes the best sense ... you can tweak it to work well on a touchscreen device (at least at some point i had a nice thing going for sway on N900 with debian) | 00:53 |
| sicelo | i will get back to my sway config at some point (just want to work on N900 kernel a little bit more) ... currently running 5.18-rc3, yay | 00:53 |
| Pali | Wizzup: Could you look at that U-Boot DM serial patch? | 01:11 |
| Pali | And... Tom was asking about USB DM... | 01:12 |
| Wizzup | Pali: I'm home in a few days, then I can do both. the usb dm was in the back of my head but it's not done yet :( | 01:23 |
| Pali | ok! | 01:23 |
| Wizzup | I had to extend my work trip | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: done | 13:17 |
| Wizzup | ty | 13:21 |
| noch | sicelo, i3 is ok, as well as dwm, as well as anything. i just need a modern kernel running on it, modern libraries, and x. | 13:45 |
| norly | noch: maybe raspbian as a start, since that is armv6hf? with standard debian/devuan, you're stuck with armv5 non-hf. | 13:54 |
| noch | hmmm... interesting. i did not know that debian doesn't have armv6hf. if i do something, i'll do it with gentoo ecosystem, which i understand. | 13:57 |
| noch | thank you! | 13:57 |
| noch | though raspbian must be easy. so i take the rootfs, open it on sdcard | 13:58 |
| noch | and i configure the u-boot to boot the kernel i want. | 13:58 |
| noch | hmmm, need to try it. | 13:58 |
| noch | and no need to build anything. | 13:58 |
| noch | except, probably, kernel. | 13:58 |
| noch | no idea if u-boot on n810 can boot a kernel from the sdcard. i think it could. but i also can place a kernel in emmc and tell it to mount the system on sdcard. | 13:59 |
| buZz | was there ever something changed on kexecboot to allow 'charging when not really full enough to boot' to happen inside that? | 14:01 |
| * buZz tries booting to android from kexecboot to see what happens there | 14:03 | |
| buZz | considering just adding breakout wires to the battery to use some external charger :P | 14:08 |
| buZz | seems i destroyed my android install :P hehe | 14:12 |
| buZz | actually, i wonder if maybe battery contacts are loose? hmm | 14:13 |
| buZz | alright, finally got it somewhat charged enough to boot into proper charging :P | 20:35 |
| buZz | seems that apt update; apt upgrade broke wifi though :P will try the wifi-calibration later | 20:35 |
| sicelo | buZz: at this point i'm not sure which has better behavior for charging from extremely depleted battery, if you don't have access to special equipment (e.g. bench power supply) - N900 vs. Droid 4 | 21:23 |
| bencoh | I experienced the issue with droid4 (it probably wasn't really depleted though) and it was kinda funky | 21:24 |
| bencoh | I think it somehow booted when I plugged it in, but apparently stopped charging early, because when I tried booting afterwards leste showed an empty battery and quickly powered off | 21:25 |
| bencoh | after that it refused charging until I hw-reset it (power+volume) and booted to emergency shell | 21:25 |
| buZz | yeah 'usb condom' charging is needed for a while for me, its ~50mA and drops off all the time | 21:34 |
| buZz | need to trickle some power into droid4 with a couple cycles of that 50mA charging, until its charged enough to survive booting into linux :P | 21:34 |
| buZz | i think, a lot of specifically the droid4 issues could be handled if kexecboot could do 'if <some % battery, stick in a loop with charger enabled and display some msg' | 21:53 |
| uvos | it dose this on bionic | 21:53 |
| uvos | yeah the d4 has some issues with the boot taking to long | 21:53 |
| uvos | android boots very fast and enables pm features very fast | 21:54 |
| uvos | mbm/cpcap assumes the os will do so | 21:54 |
| buZz | yeah indeed, droid4, when booting with power already connected, doesnt even enable charging for me | 21:54 |
| uvos | but mainline + kexecboto is way to slow | 21:54 |
| buZz | i need to unplug & replug power before it'll charge | 21:54 |
| uvos | kernel? | 21:55 |
| uvos | there was a kernel bug that did this for a short time | 21:55 |
| uvos | it should work very realiably now | 21:55 |
| buZz | ah eh , not sure, whatever latest on leste | 21:55 |
| uvos | besides being underdischarged | 21:55 |
| buZz | but, as my wifi is broken now, i might just reinstall from image | 21:55 |
| uvos | also underdischarging should be avoided mostly | 21:55 |
| uvos | since we power off early | 21:55 |
| uvos | but if you leave it in a cuppobord for a while it will still do it | 21:56 |
| uvos | the mainline kernel fails to shutdown the device fully | 21:56 |
| uvos | we dont know what remains on but something draws about a mw | 21:56 |
| uvos | so if your going to store the device for some time | 21:56 |
| uvos | shut it down with android/kexecboot menu | 21:56 |
| uvos | nothing changed with wifi | 21:57 |
| uvos | so thats akward | 21:57 |
| uvos | what image is this? | 21:57 |
| uvos | oh i missread this | 21:58 |
| uvos | wifi is broken after an upgrade? | 21:58 |
| buZz | hehe yeah , the internetconnections menu in hildon shows no networks | 21:58 |
| uvos | ok so its just icd thats broken | 21:59 |
| uvos | ie wpa_cli works? | 21:59 |
| buZz | lets see | 22:05 |
| uvos | also check if the modules are loaded pfc | 22:06 |
| uvos | ofc | 22:06 |
| buZz | wifi menus now appeared in menu ! after a long time of being booted | 22:06 |
| buZz | not sure wtf | 22:06 |
| uvos | hmm ok | 22:06 |
| buZz | -touchscreen- also stopped working :D so rebooting | 22:06 |
| uvos | no | 22:06 |
| uvos | just turn the screen off and on again | 22:06 |
| uvos | thats a hw bug | 22:06 |
| buZz | i did couple times, didnt fix anything | 22:07 |
| uvos | hmm ok | 22:07 |
| sicelo | it's a known issue, and you see it easily when you don't have autoconnect to wifi set. at least i know i've mentioned it before. | 22:10 |
| buZz | yeah 'not charging when booting droid4 with power already connected' is still there for me | 22:53 |
| buZz | maybe i'll reinstall image | 22:53 |
| buZz | but , wifi has connected | 22:53 |
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