| missMyN900 | put the latest image on a microSD today to bring my Pinephone back to life again after months of it collecting dust | 03:53 |
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| missMyN900 | it was kind of strange. For some time after boot, the screen was black (even though it was on). I could hear the sounds when I touched the screen but could not see the UI. The phone would not respond to the volume or power buttons either (except for the feedback sounds). After I had let it sit a while, it finally showed the Maemo lock screen when I pressed the power button. Then, I unlocked the phone and the screen went | 07:02 |
| missMyN900 | black again immediately. The second time I unlocked it, I could finally access the homescreen. Now it works normally. | 07:02 |
| missMyN900 | Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised to see that QtWebbrowser is now available indeed. It works beautifully on the Pinephone! | 07:05 |
| mighty17[m] | https://github.com/drebrez/linux/commit/958e7a6704379e335201182f11d3580d1d24a633 with this how'd i reboot to recovery? | 07:15 |
| * enyc meows :o | 08:31 | |
| Wizzup | mighty17[m]: interesting to hear about the boot-u bugs | 10:58 |
| Wizzup | err | 10:58 |
| Wizzup | sorry that was for missMyN900 | 10:58 |
| sicelo | btw, if there's no cellular context/apn in connection manager, what must one do? | 13:46 |
| sicelo | via mdbus/ofono-scripts, there is one listed, and i can activate it | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | online the modem? | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | then it should just show up | 13:49 |
| bencoh | 75 | 13:59 |
| bencoh | woops | 13:59 |
| sicelo | Wizzup, modem was already online (onlined using icd/etc.) | 20:08 |
| buZz | isnt https://i.imgur.com/tdRaJ1Y.png supposed to have 6 rows of daysquares instead of 5? | 20:27 |
| buZz | i see it once did? :) https://maemo-leste.github.io/images/qalendar-3.png | 20:30 |
| buZz | kinda | 20:31 |
| missMyN900 | I had to resize the file system manually on the latest image. I could not install any additional packages after having installed qtwebbrowser due to lack of space (the partition was only 1.7 GB on my 64 GB card) | 20:55 |
| Wizzup | yes | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | Also, the new volume control feature does not seem to work on the Pinephone | 20:57 |
| Wizzup | did you see /etc/expandcard.sh ? | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | no | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | is there some first-boot guide or something? I think I may have closed that due to the screen being black | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | I just used a guide from Stackoverflow :) | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | fdisk + partx + resize2fs | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | unix.stackexchange technically, I guess | 20:59 |
| missMyN900 | pavucontrol is really clunky on the Pinephone :( | 20:59 |
| missMyN900 | also, the battery indicator does seem to work partially on the Pinephone but it does not show a percentage ("calibration needed") | 21:00 |
| missMyN900 | this is all on a Convergence Edition, by the way, (3 GB RAM) in case no one else has one | 21:01 |
| Wizzup | mighty17[m]: there should be @ guide | 21:40 |
| Wizzup | sorry semi afk atm :( | 21:40 |
| Wizzup | (will be back later) | 21:41 |
| uvos | missMyN900: callibration needed means that your battery dosent report charge state so voltage based estimation is used instead | 22:41 |
| uvos | idk if the pp can report battery state | 22:41 |
| uvos | missMyN900: there is a fist boot guide yeah | 22:41 |
| uvos | we should maybe create a .desktop file to launch it again after its been closed | 22:41 |
| missMyN900 | I just hope the black screen issue doesn't return anymore | 22:42 |
| uvos | there are several issues with the pp | 22:43 |
| uvos | wrt volume | 22:43 |
| uvos | i maintain the audio stack more or less atm | 22:43 |
| uvos | but i dont have a pp | 22:43 |
| uvos | so its hard for me to fix this | 22:43 |
| missMyN900 | maybe some affordable used PPs will become available now that the PPP has arrived | 22:45 |
| uvos | well im also not really interested in a pp | 22:45 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know if pmOS uses pulseaudio | 22:45 |
| uvos | due to the bad power managment and lack of kbd | 22:46 |
| missMyN900 | why not? Lack of hardware keyboard? | 22:46 |
| missMyN900 | power management will improve | 22:46 |
| uvos | no it cant | 22:46 |
| missMyN900 | why not? | 22:46 |
| missMyN900 | The A64 is a tablet SoC is it not? | 22:46 |
| missMyN900 | It's not like the RPis | 22:46 |
| uvos | the main problem with it its that it takes really long to enter idle states | 22:46 |
| uvos | so while the droid4 can suspend 60 times a second | 22:47 |
| uvos | and have the device remain "running" | 22:47 |
| uvos | the pp really has to enter pc style suspend for minutes at a time | 22:47 |
| missMyN900 | what about the RK3399? | 22:47 |
| missMyN900 | that should be a little bit more advanced than the old A64 | 22:48 |
| uvos | no idea youd have to look at the cost table for the idle states | 22:48 |
| missMyN900 | RK3399 is used in Chromebooks too (OP1) | 22:48 |
| missMyN900 | so the TI OMAP is still a little bit more sophisticated than the cheap Allwinners? | 22:49 |
| uvos | pm wise yeah | 22:49 |
| uvos | omap is a "real" smartphone chip with really low idle/resume times | 22:50 |
| missMyN900 | I guess Mediatek is promising for the future | 22:50 |
| uvos | maybe sure | 22:50 |
| missMyN900 | they seem to be improving wrt to open source support | 22:50 |
| uvos | problem is also having good upstream support | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | Ralink must be rubbing off on them ;) | 22:51 |
| uvos | the omap also dose well here with ti having upstreamed mostly everything | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | having a PPP 2.0 with Mediatek SoC would be awesome | 22:51 |
| uvos | due to widespread usage in industrial boards | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | still a separate modem, of course, though | 22:51 |
| uvos | (which have long lifespan) | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | ironically Allwinner and Rockchip (at least the older chips) are supported much better by Linux distributions and *BSDs than the i.MX6 (I have a Wandboard Dual) | 22:52 |
| missMyN900 | i.MX8 support is lackluster too | 22:52 |
| missMyN900 | for example, with NetBSD i.MX seems to technically be supported but it is not really advertised | 22:53 |
| missMyN900 | and in practice I think that not much works aside from booting | 22:53 |
| missMyN900 | so you won't have working audio, display etc | 22:53 |
| uvos | thats true for some chps used by sbc yeah | 22:53 |
| missMyN900 | i.MX8 also is rather dated and products using it tend to expensive | 22:54 |
| missMyN900 | Allwinner H6 and RK3566 are more attractive (Pine H64 and Quartz64 SBCs) | 22:54 |
| uvos | sure yeah | 22:54 |
| uvos | but supported well enough for sbc and supported well enough to work well as a phone are different targets | 22:55 |
| missMyN900 | the new Olimex STM32MP157 LIME2 interests me | 22:55 |
| uvos | not that i know the exact state of these | 22:55 |
| uvos | but even with kernel support for all of the pm features of omap4 being in manline allready | 22:56 |
| missMyN900 | the first SBC with a European SoC in a long time. I think it is good to have an alternative to American and Chinese SoCs | 22:56 |
| uvos | it still was quite the undertaking getting all the pm features working for just a single phone in practice | 22:56 |
| uvos | (ie the droid4) | 22:56 |
| missMyN900 | how about N900 pm with mainline? | 22:56 |
| uvos | terrible | 22:56 |
| uvos | none of the pm features work | 22:57 |
| missMyN900 | everything needs to redone? | 22:57 |
| uvos | because of issues with device drivers | 22:57 |
| uvos | no | 22:57 |
| uvos | so the n900 has 2 problems | 22:57 |
| missMyN900 | SGX? | 22:57 |
| uvos | no sgx is fine | 22:57 |
| uvos | its device drivers and a omap3 having mutch larger idle entry costs than omap4 that makes it harder to enter idle states with modern linux | 22:58 |
| uvos | as modern linux is quite busy timer wise | 22:58 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: yes pmos uses pulseaudio | 22:58 |
| missMyN900 | volume control with buttons does work on pmOS on the PP | 22:59 |
| uvos | sure its a leste userpsace problem | 22:59 |
| uvos | it only works on mapphones atm | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | but how can that be specific to the PP? | 22:59 |
| uvos | (btw mapphones == droid4 and some other motorola devices of same age) | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | when the kernel and pulseaudio etc is the same (as with pmOS) | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | yes, I know | 23:00 |
| uvos | missMyN900: well | 23:00 |
| uvos | missMyN900: so there are 3-4 problems | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | there were quite some OMAP4 devices around that time | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | I used to have a Galaxy Nexus (only bought it in 2019 LOL) with OMAP4460 | 23:00 |
| uvos | 1. mce cant recive the key events because it expects the event devices to be layed out in a certin way (legay from when everything was hardcoded to fit the n900 and only the n900) | 23:01 |
| uvos | 2. we dont autodetect the audio sink that needs adjustment, instead its in a config file (again legacy from n900 hardcoding) | 23:02 |
| uvos | 3. the volume buttons are currently intercepted by hildon because thats the only way to bring up the kbd when your in a applicaion without him integration | 23:03 |
| uvos | dident the galaxy nexus have omap4470? | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | I think it was the 60 | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus yep | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | I used it as an MP3 player for some time | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | problem is with those old phones is the batteries | 23:05 |
| uvos | luckly the d4 gets a pass on that | 23:05 |
| missMyN900 | they are shot. I replaced it with a BlackBerry Z10 (I used to own a Classic, too: N900 -> Jolla -> Classic -> Moto G with LineageOS -> iPhone :( ) | 23:05 |
| uvos | its battery is connected by 2 screw terminals | 23:05 |
| uvos | so any old lipo will do | 23:05 |
| missMyN900 | got a new, second battery for the Z10 | 23:06 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: how many physical keys does the pp have by the way | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | same issue | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | looking at it right now: only volume rockers and power button | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | although I think it is a bit better than the GN | 23:07 |
| missMyN900 | the drain is horrible and when it is drained too much, the battery won't charge in the phone anymore | 23:07 |
| missMyN900 | (I got the second, new battery as a part of kit with an external official BB charger) | 23:07 |
| missMyN900 | so I have to swap the battery again | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: fortunately, I did not the PP to replace my iPhone (although that would have been nice for sure) | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | *get | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | I actually got it to use an LTE hotspot (for internet outages; our ISP is terrible) since the iPhone sucks for that | 23:11 |
| missMyN900 | of course, it is a cool toy as well ;) | 23:11 |
| uvos | yeah sure | 23:11 |
| sicelo | You can help to make leste work better on it | 23:11 |
| uvos | pp is a good dev platform | 23:11 |
| uvos | also | 23:11 |
| uvos | at the very least | 23:11 |
| missMyN900 | sicelo: unfortunately I do not have much time for dev, but certainly I can report bugs and maybe test some fixes/patches sometimes | 23:13 |
| sicelo | Or, if you just want something that already works, pmOS with phosh or plasma mobile is really great too. | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | sicelo: yes, I was already using that as my main OS | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | I don't like Arch and I like Alpine, so pmOS is natural for me | 23:13 |
| sicelo | I don't like alpine :-p | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | I don't like Phosh either, even though Plasma is not great either currently at least | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | why not? | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | what is not to love? | 23:14 |
| uvos | i dont like devuan :P | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | no systemd, musl, you can use whatever audio you want (even sndio from OpenBSD), it is fast, low RAM consumption | 23:14 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: anyway i maintain the n900 port on pmos since recently | 23:15 |
| uvos | also: no systemd, musl. | 23:15 |
| uvos | :P | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | you prefer systemd? | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | Maemo did not have systemd ;) | 23:15 |
| uvos | yeah so on a phone it makes a lot of sense, unfortinalty (i dislike politics around systemd) | 23:16 |
| sicelo | i have zero problem with systemd. I think even alpine is currently considering a change of init system | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | I don't see how it would make to switch to systemd but use musl and busybox frankly (apart from my personal opinions on systemd) | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know if systemd would even work with musl and I frankly doubt that the devs would be very receptive to accepting patches for it | 23:17 |
| uvos | regarding musl, i dont think the compatability problems are worth runing something other than glibc for "lightness" | 23:17 |
| sicelo | Yes they will be going to some new init or sth. Openrc seems subpar in some way | 23:17 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: actually last month someone made a systemd MR to alpine, but it was vehemently rejected by alpine folk :-D | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | runit perhaps? I don't know much about init. I am not saying that systemd init in it self is bad but I dislike all the integration and the massive largely newly written C code base. Just seems like a bad idea to me. | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | sicelo: can't say that I am very sad about that frankly. If you want really want to use systemd, there a lot of options out there | 23:19 |
| sicelo | Hehe | 23:19 |
| sicelo | I understand. I'm glad debian allows me to choose *any* init (unlike alpine) :-p | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | I am currently running Debian but I will switch to Devuan in the future. Already installed it on some devices. | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | I decided shortly after installing it that I should have installed Devuan but I can't keep wasting time on reinstalls, so for now I am sticking with Debian on my desktop | 23:22 |
| sicelo | I never saw the ram consumption stuff ... i ran debian on my n900, and also pmos. At idle, ram usage was mainly same | 23:22 |
| missMyN900 | true, I just saw a couple days ago that RAM consumption was < 600 MB on AMD64 with Devuan+MATE | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know how much systemd adds to RAM consumption though ;) | 23:23 |
| sicelo | I was using systemd ... didn't see much difference | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | but that is not related to musl, of course | 23:23 |
| sicelo | Anyway, comparison was alpine/musl vs. others/glibc. I don't see the difference so much | 23:24 |
| sicelo | (RAM, I mean) | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | yes, that is why I said it is not related to musl ;) | 23:26 |
| sicelo | The only real difference i see is that the base size of an alpine install is smaller ... but, how's that achieved? Not installing man pages ... um. | 23:26 |
| sicelo | What don't you like about phosh? | 23:28 |
| sicelo | I like to think it's modern hildon :-P | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | seemed to have very little features to me | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | hmm, I disagree with that | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | I can see why people would say Mobian is modern Maemo | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | but the UI of Phosh is not a true successor to Hildon | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | the Sailfish UI, for example, was better | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | (although still not a true successor) | 23:30 |
| sicelo | Of course. Nothing can be. Not even the sfos ui is successor | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | Phosh seems like a generic, uninspired, featureless typical smartphone UI to me | 23:30 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: phosh is gtk, like hildon ;-) | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | I know | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | but that is far from enough IMHO | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | I cannot understand why they designed it the way they did | 23:31 |
| missMyN900 | when they had so many great sources of inspiration | 23:31 |
| missMyN900 | MeeGo Harmattan, webOS, BB10 OS, Sailfish OS, Hildon of course | 23:31 |
| sicelo | Like hildon, they (phosh) took the gtk of the day, and made it suitable for mobile | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | but I don't like GNOME 3 either, so it makes sense to me that I would not like it | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | to me it is like mobile GNOME 3 | 23:32 |
| sicelo | Yes. Hildon is mobile gtk2 ;-) | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | or GNOME 4 I should say nowadays, I suppose | 23:32 |
| sicelo | Mkbile gnime 2, i mean | 23:33 |
| sicelo | Meh ... android vkb | 23:33 |
| missMyN900 | well, I like MATE, so that makes sense | 23:33 |
| missMyN900 | currently I am using IceWM on my desktop though | 23:33 |
| sicelo | sway/i3 here | 23:33 |
| missMyN900 | I had issues with LXQt and Plasma | 23:33 |
| sicelo | Should make a Windows XP theme for Leste :-D (like the guy who made XP skin for Xfce4) | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | IceWM has a Win95 theme built-in | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | I have used spectrwm in the past on OpenBSD | 23:36 |
| sicelo | There was also project to mimic Windows Phone tile based UI | 23:37 |
| missMyN900 | I am guessing that it died? | 23:38 |
| sicelo | It's newish. Alive | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | projects like that are interesting for sure but I think that they won't ever survive in the long term/mature to due lack of interest | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | modernizing Hildon is something that makes more sense IMO | 23:39 |
| missMyN900 | there are more people interested in it and it will probably also be able to attract more people who never used an N900 | 23:39 |
| buZz | like adding qt5 support? :) | 23:40 |
| sicelo | https://github.com/DrewNaylor/Retiled | 23:40 |
| sicelo | missMyN900: i haven't seen that many people interested in (modernized) hildon, tbh. Not even on tmo. | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | sicelo: really? | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | I think it is great, especially with larger screens such as the Pinephone | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | I think it could be great on the Pinetab too | 23:43 |
| sicelo | Maybe I just miss them :-) | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | anyway, recently I was thinking that maybe the PP could replace my iPhone too eventually. Looks like that won't be happening with the lackluster power management... | 23:53 |
| sicelo | How's the suspend working for you in pmOS? I think I've seen others get up to two days on a single charge ... | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | it will still make for a decent LTE hotspot in a pinch and tablet though | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | I haven't used pmOS for months. My PP was collecting dust | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | unfortunately, I either forget the PIN code or there is some bug | 23:55 |
| missMyN900 | now I am just waiting for 22.06 because I have gotten tired of constantly flashing a new image and I don't want to wear out the flash either | 23:55 |
| missMyN900 | in the mean time I am running ML from a microSD, like I was before | 23:55 |
| sicelo | Okay. The power mgmt is definitely not comparable to the OMAPs for sure, but somehow the suspend stuff seems to be working. Not ideal, but for some users, it's good enough | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | I think I keep using Maemo primarily in the future, especially as it improves and only remove the microSD (so it boots from eMMC) when I need the LTE hotspot | 23:57 |
| sicelo | What prevents Hotspot from Maemo | 23:57 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know if I can use LTE on ML | 23:58 |
| missMyN900 | certainly there is no GUI for it | 23:58 |
| sicelo | Why wouldn't you? :-) | 23:58 |
| missMyN900 | I have no experience with ofono cli utils :) | 23:58 |
| sicelo | LTE is supported on pp, i believe. I recal | 23:58 |
| missMyN900 | actually, I also have the "dock" (USB hub), which I want to use to connect to my computers with ethernet in the future | 23:59 |
| sicelo | I designed the icon for it, and I recall someone showing it live | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | I don't see any cellular related applet on the PP | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | also, no volume applet as mentioned before | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | it is still very minimal on the PP | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | not complaining though :) | 23:59 |
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