| Wizzup | :) | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| norayr | maefat is in repos now. | 00:49 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: what is it? | 00:56 |
| norayr | weight tracking app. (: | 00:56 |
| norayr | from 2010 | 00:56 |
| norayr | nothing important. just trying to bring whatever i can from old repos. | 00:56 |
| norayr | i have problems with old good maemo-mapper, which became later mappero. that would be cool, it was very good. but i cannot now. | 00:57 |
| norayr | need more work. | 00:57 |
| norayr | so for now more easy and doable packages. | 00:58 |
| norayr | but the other app i was working on a couple of days ago is actually important. | 00:58 |
| norayr | lagrange is a gemini client. | 00:58 |
| norayr | https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ | 00:58 |
| norayr | you can go to geminispace.info and use a search there to find interesting, not sites, but capsules. | 00:59 |
| norayr | freemangordon: i am building leafpad now. i see you did work on it in changelog. | 01:11 |
| xmn | if leapad would support html, and have a short cut for wrap and sizes it would be amazing. | 01:27 |
| xmn | leafpad* | 01:27 |
| xmn | But still may goto editor on my n900 | 01:27 |
| lel | norayr closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/27 ([REQ] maefat) | 01:29 |
| lel | norayr opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/28 ([REQ] leafpad) | 01:32 |
| norayr | gpodder almost worked, but: | 02:21 |
| norayr | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files | 02:21 |
| norayr | what is mafw-gst-renderer? (: | 02:22 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: gst = gstreamer, I know that at least | 02:31 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I think this is bad news, seems like this is some Nokia proprietary GStreamer plug-in :( | 02:31 |
| norayr | yeas, was there some nokia proprietary gstreamer module? | 02:31 |
| norayr | eh. | 02:31 |
| norayr | ok, anyway, leafpad works, and that's very good. i love it. | 02:32 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: found this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 | 02:32 |
| norayr | thank you! | 02:32 |
| missMyN900 | and this: https://blogs.igalia.com/xrcalvar/2010/03/01/mafw-gst-renderer-and-volume-management/ | 02:33 |
| norayr | but i'll try to sleep now. will continue tomorrow. | 02:33 |
| missMyN900 | thank https://www.qwant.com :) | 02:33 |
| missMyN900 | that blog post links to https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/mafw/trunk/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker-volume.c (which still is accessible!) | 02:35 |
| missMyN900 | you should probably ask uvos about this | 02:36 |
| missMyN900 | I think this MAFW thing may be open source, actually | 02:50 |
| missMyN900 | but not sure if it still needs to be ported or not | 02:50 |
| missMyN900 | it is also connected to OMP in some way | 02:50 |
| missMyN900 | I have discovered that qtwebbrowser *does* have search capability | 03:31 |
| missMyN900 | I was confused at first | 03:31 |
| missMyN900 | it does say "search or type an url" or something like that but it didn't actually work | 03:32 |
| missMyN900 | however, reading the QML source code I discovered that it has search capability hardcoded to Google | 03:33 |
| missMyN900 | but, it only works if you type a search query and click on the white bar below the address bar with a "looking glass" icon. Hitting enter does not work unlike in most browsers! | 03:33 |
| missMyN900 | so of course, my first modification will be adding support for multiple search engines like most (mobile) browsers have | 03:34 |
| missMyN900 | the nice thing is, this browser should run fine on my Debian desktop, which makes dev a lot easier | 03:38 |
| missMyN900 | no need to mess with VMs, cross compiling, transferring to the device etc | 03:38 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: I remember the Modrana UI! But I don't think from my N900 days. Was it available on SFOS too? | 06:21 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I am getting "QML module not found (WebBrowser)" after importing qtwebbrowser in Qt Creator | 07:17 |
| missMyN900 | this settingsview seems incredibly complicated and way too clever (but I am not an experienced Qt dev) | 07:22 |
| missMyN900 | I may just partially rewrite it | 07:23 |
| missMyN900 | I may remove some options as well. I mean who honestly wants to disable images or disk cache on a phone/tablet? | 07:23 |
| missMyN900 | according to the Qt wiki a ListView is supposed to use a ListModel but they just have some dummy ListModel and don't actually use it | 07:25 |
| missMyN900 | ah now it makes a little more sense | 07:27 |
| missMyN900 | biggest problem is how are we going to modify something that was clearly designed only for checkboxes to include a ComboBox... | 07:28 |
| missMyN900 | and by that I mean it was also only designed for binary options... | 07:28 |
| missMyN900 | looks like the AppEngine saveSetting method at least supports strings so that is good news | 07:31 |
| bencoh | missMyN900: actually disabling disk cache would be more efficient on some devices | 07:33 |
| missMyN900 | HTTP disk cache in a web browser? | 07:33 |
| bencoh | ie the ones with slow IOs, and/or that need to swap a lot | 07:34 |
| missMyN900 | but isn't the disk cache stored on the eMMC? | 07:34 |
| missMyN900 | or SD card | 07:34 |
| missMyN900 | I guess maybe if your internet connection is really fast | 07:34 |
| missMyN900 | but the devices with slow IO also don't support LTE (properly) and are stuck with 2.4 GHz-only 11n | 07:35 |
| missMyN900 | I suppose it may be worth preserving the option, if only to limit wear on the SD card | 07:41 |
| Wizzup | norayr: it might make sense to set an icon for maefat in the app manager | 08:15 |
| Wizzup | this is just a base64 thing in debian/control | 08:15 |
| uvos__ | missMyN900: please note that the version of qtwebbrowser is a _really_ old version | 08:49 |
| uvos__ | missMyN900: and the newer versions have more feattures, including adblock support and i think selectable search too | 08:50 |
| uvos__ | unfortionatly as qtwebbrowser is a demo app for qt, it uses new qt features as mutch as possible | 08:50 |
| uvos__ | and the qt version in devuan is very old | 08:50 |
| uvos__ | it may make sense to backport a newer version of qtwebbrowser first | 08:52 |
| uvos__ | before thinking about changing it | 08:52 |
| uvos__ | also please carry the mce patches in this case | 08:52 |
| Wizzup | oh, so we'd need a newer qt and therefore a newer debian? | 08:52 |
| uvos__ | yeah | 08:54 |
| uvos__ | not that this really matters from a securty perspective | 08:54 |
| uvos__ | qtwebbrowser is just the ui | 08:54 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 08:54 |
| uvos__ | but feature wise yeh | 08:54 |
| Wizzup | understood, yep | 08:54 |
| uvos__ | wrt volume buttons on pp | 08:56 |
| uvos__ | should work | 08:56 |
| uvos__ | for the vkb | 08:56 |
| uvos__ | what do you have in ?usr/share/hildon-desktop/shortcuts.ini? | 08:57 |
| uvos__ | also do the vol buttons work in xterm? | 08:57 |
| uvos__ | (they should not) | 08:57 |
| Wizzup | I think he means for volume | 08:59 |
| uvos__ | no he explicitly mentioned the vkb no longer working | 09:00 |
| uvos__ | 1653688004 <missMyN900> volume up does not do anything anymore | 09:00 |
| uvos__ | since it still works on bionic, the dbus call still works so it must be hildon failing to issue it or the kernel failing to register vol up | 09:01 |
| Wizzup | ok, it's hard for me to keep track of the irc chatter without gh issues | 09:14 |
| norayr | >this is just a base64 thing in debian/control | 14:04 |
| norayr | yes, i was sure it's there. will add. | 14:04 |
| norayr | meanwhile, when you have time, please open leafpad repo and add it to phoenix. https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/28 | 14:05 |
| Wizzup | norayr: https://phoenix.maemo.org/job/maefat-repos/6/console | 15:09 |
| mighty17[m] | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/8e6de4a30294809420ac9a974b4f28b38ebdb38f can i add CLK32KAUDIO like this tmlind ? | 15:11 |
| lel | MerlijnWajer created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/leafpad | 15:12 |
| norayr | yay | 15:12 |
| lel | MerlijnWajer closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/28 ([REQ] leafpad) | 15:14 |
| lel | norayr edited a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/leafpad | 15:17 |
| norayr | sorry, leafpad-source doesn't have a build button. | 15:19 |
| Wizzup | norayr: let me add that | 15:20 |
| Wizzup | norayr: btw did you see your maefat build failed? | 15:20 |
| Wizzup | you can't use the same version/tag and rebuild | 15:20 |
| norayr | oh. | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | norayr: try now | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | norayr: you have to add at least something, like -1, -2 | 15:21 |
| norayr | i used +leste2 in changelog. | 15:21 |
| norayr | but with tag i didn't know what to do because the actual version didn't change. | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | ok, hm, not sure why this failed, I think maybe that means the source is still the same | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | which then fails | 15:21 |
| norayr | no sorry, no button yet. | 15:22 |
| Wizzup | huh | 15:22 |
| Wizzup | oh | 15:22 |
| norayr | yesterday you did something eventually. | 15:22 |
| norayr | for the button to appear. | 15:22 |
| Wizzup | now | 15:22 |
| norayr | yes | 15:23 |
| norayr | aha, interesting, maefat-repos failed, because i followed and maefat-binaries were fine. | 15:33 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 15:38 |
| Wizzup | there is ##leste-ci | 15:39 |
| Wizzup | jenkins blurts there | 15:39 |
| norayr | will join. | 15:41 |
| norayr | leafpad is in ham. | 15:41 |
| Wizzup | yup just installed it | 15:41 |
| norayr | it is also interesting that on a pinephone, i can see maefat with +leste2 version and with icon in ham. | 15:44 |
| norayr | and strange that lagrange doesn't have an icon, because it is there, in control file. | 15:45 |
| Wizzup | yes, it just depends on what runs first | 15:50 |
| Wizzup | best just increase the version/tag | 15:50 |
| buZz | could we prevent 'application manager' from trying icd2 stuff | 16:22 |
| buZz | it keeps breaking my GPRS connection if i tap on it by accident | 16:22 |
| buZz | (which obviously should not happen, but icd2/ofono/data is still kinda fragile) | 16:23 |
| Wizzup | I think the problem is that you fix your icd2 connection wrong :) | 16:26 |
| Wizzup | or that we don't have the right fix for you | 16:26 |
| Wizzup | :) | 16:26 |
| buZz | :D | 16:27 |
| buZz | i didnt make the icd2 connection though, icd2 did | 16:27 |
| buZz | -every- time i reboot it provisions my 'unseen SIM' again | 16:28 |
| buZz | maybe i can just plonk the IMSI file somewhere with that MCD MCC stuff already in? | 16:29 |
| buZz | if ofono is so unable to store it itself :P | 16:29 |
| Wizzup | ofono has very little persistent storage | 16:29 |
| Wizzup | it still seems like the problem is that your provider is not known | 16:30 |
| Wizzup | right? | 16:30 |
| Wizzup | if someone wants to toy around with it, I set up a tor hs for maedevu http://maemopkgove3kc2xxzyuk26j3ict6qzbqi3govge3s6h5aokr2uo6eqd.onion/ | 16:54 |
| buZz | Wizzup: i guess? not sure, normally without knowing the provider it would still collect those MCD MCC stuff and then -store- it on IMSI | 19:35 |
| buZz | Wizzup: but -each boot- i get 'IMSI first seen, provisioning' | 19:36 |
| buZz | https://lists.01.org/hyperkitty/list/ofono@ofono.org/message/F227ZJQPNDDFSHDSUGSZFE4DIOETPHBJ/ <- this tells me that it should store the provisioned information in the end | 19:38 |
| buZz | but i might just be misunderstanding it | 19:38 |
| buZz | :) | 19:38 |
| buZz | /var/lib/ofono has two directories named after my IMSI | 19:40 |
| buZz | with different contents? | 19:40 |
| buZz | ah, thats also where 'tx_queue' was stored, which keeps SMS that werent transmitted? :D | 19:42 |
| buZz | i noticed one inside, catted it, it got sent right after, file disappeared :) | 19:43 |
| buZz | hmm, i wonder if i should just remove all those files and reboot it | 19:45 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: no, volume has never worked on the Pinephone. Even the status menu volume slider does not work. Pavucontrol is the only option. | 20:47 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup, uvos: it is triggering HIM (specifically with the volume up key on the Pinephone) that has regressed since Dec 2021 (I basically did not touch the Pinephone between then and this month) | 20:48 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | missMyN900: try https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/615 for slider | 20:55 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen: I have already tried updating the sink | 20:55 |
| missMyN900 | no effect | 20:56 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | uh? | 20:56 |
| missMyN900 | yeah, I already saw that issue yesterday | 20:56 |
| missMyN900 | and someone (Wizzup or was it uvos?) had already recommended trying that | 20:56 |
| missMyN900 | it doesn't seem to work | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | it has zero effect on the mplayer/smplayer volume | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | right now it has been muted the entire time but smplayer still has sound | 20:57 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen[: I have tried to debug it but for some reason there is no pulse list-sinks or something command that works | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | like I remember listing sinks with a command on a Debian(ish) desktop a while ago | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | but neither pacmd nor pactl work | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | I just get "no daemon running" or something like that or command not found | 20:59 |
| missMyN900 | I don't remember exactly | 20:59 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | yeah, have seen that one | 20:59 |
| missMyN900 | I find Linux audio really confusing in general | 21:00 |
| missMyN900 | why can't is just be like literally every other OS: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Haiku... | 21:00 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | missMyN900: "pactl info" works here | 21:00 |
| missMyN900 | they all have sane audio | 21:00 |
| missMyN900 | I will try that | 21:01 |
| missMyN900 | just connected the Pinephone to its charger agian | 21:01 |
| missMyN900 | the drain is awful | 21:01 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: btw, weren't you thinking of getting another ML device? | 21:02 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | pacmd does throw this error: "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon." | 21:02 |
| missMyN900 | yes | 21:02 |
| missMyN900 | that is it | 21:03 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | pactl info gives me this output: https://paste.debian.net/1242493/ | 21:04 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen[: so the "default sink" is the same as the one in the issue except for the "platform-sound" part in the middle | 21:04 |
| missMyN900 | does that matter? | 21:04 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | it probably does | 21:05 |
| missMyN900 | wait | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | when did you install your image? | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | I have a very new image | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | I guess I should try changing the status volume ini to my "default sink: | 21:06 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | no idea, somewhere in the last year, but I update all the time | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | wait black screen bug is occurring again | 21:06 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | missMyN900: are you on beowulf-devel? | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | hold on I need to ssh to debug it | 21:06 |
| missMyN900 | no devel | 21:07 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | aah, thats probably the difference | 21:07 |
| missMyN900 | I am always too late to dbg it... | 21:08 |
| missMyN900 | it is occurring again! | 21:09 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: https://paste.debian.net/1242496/ | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | this is during the black screen bug | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | DPMS is already on | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | so not point in forcing it, I think | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | I have noticed that when it recovers from the bug, the notification LED always turns on | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | it has happened again | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | the screen has truly turned off (timeout) again and the LED is on | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | and now | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | yep, if I press the power button I get the lockscreen again | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen[: where is this sinks.ini again? | 21:12 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | /usr/share/maemo-statusmenu-volume/sinks.ini | 21:12 |
| missMyN900 | ok thx | 21:12 |
| missMyN900 | do I need to restart anything or reboot | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | btw, sorry for the interruption but uvos asked me to debug this days ago | 21:13 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | yes it is a good idea to reboot. I recommend against a manual restart of hildon. Had no good experience with that... | 21:14 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | also it might be a good idea to add the beowulf-devel repository. Wizzup: how big is the difference between both for pp? | 21:14 |
| missMyN900 | I just don't want it to break stuff honestly :( | 21:15 |
| missMyN900 | I am happy that my PP is finally somewhat usable | 21:15 |
| missMyN900 | I am actually using it quite a lot for browsing now instead of my iPad | 21:15 |
| missMyN900 | before that was simply too painful | 21:16 |
| missMyN900 | uvos__: by the way, are you saying that qtwebbrowser is in the Devuan Chimaera repos? It is not in the Bullseye/11 repos on my desktop... | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | did ML upstream it? | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | or wait you said it uses Qt features, right | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | sorry | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | anyway, it is probably better to wait for the switch to Chimaera | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | that will be a really good time for browsers on ML then as netsurf-gtk 3.10 will also become available! | 21:19 |
| missMyN900 | I actually discovered recently that netsurf-gtk does appear to have some kind of touch support as I can drag the page to scroll on my Debian desktop | 21:19 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen[: it does not affect the volume displayed in pavucontrol at all | 21:22 |
| missMyN900 | nor does it affect the smplayer volume | 21:22 |
| missMyN900 | I guess you just need devel for this | 21:22 |
| missMyN900 | humpelstilzchen[: what is the general difference between 'regular' and devel? I mean aside from Pinephone specific stuff? | 21:23 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | I have no overview on this. I just found out in february that PP works much better with -devel | 21:24 |
| missMyN900 | but is it for the OS itself or apps only? | 21:25 |
| missMyN900 | extras-devel? | 21:25 |
| missMyN900 | like what repo is it specifically the devel version of? | 21:26 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | deb https://maedevu.maemo.org/leste beowulf-devel main contrib non-free lima pinephone | 21:26 |
| missMyN900 | uvos__: I was able to trigger the bug again by rotating the screen (that often seems to trigger it). Tried xset dpms force on multiple times to no effect | 21:27 |
| norayr | > missMyN900 wrote: | 21:51 |
| norayr | > norayr: btw, weren't you thinking of getting another ML device? | 21:51 |
| norayr | hey, yes. you have suggestions? | 21:51 |
| norayr | missMyN900: i was answering your question. | 21:52 |
| norayr | yes, maybe it makes sense to package netsurf, till we are not on the release which contains it. | 21:53 |
| norayr | Wizzup: how did u generate a tor url which starts with maemo? (: | 21:56 |
| uvos | missMyN900: its a bug in lima then, or maybe hildon-desktop | 22:02 |
| uvos | please kill hildon desktop next time | 22:02 |
| uvos | missMyN900: no its not, i packaged it and added it to leste | 22:03 |
| uvos | its not in any other repos | 22:03 |
| uvos | please do as i say wrt debugging steps wrt vol buttons | 22:03 |
| norayr | Wizzup, ok, i found eschalot. | 22:04 |
| uvos | missMyN900: btw firefox has full mobile/touch support | 22:08 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: yes, I was checking out the Droid Bionic the day before yesterday, I think it was | 22:15 |
| missMyN900 | and found brand new ones for 50 USD! | 22:16 |
| missMyN900 | if you are importing from the US, you might as well pay a little bit more to get a new one | 22:16 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: https://www.ebay.com/itm/113706311253 | 22:17 |
| missMyN900 | otherwise it is kind of a waste of money to pay for shipping to get a worn out device | 22:19 |
| uvos | imo 50 for a bionic is alot, even new | 22:19 |
| missMyN900 | well, I mean, do you really want a device that has been used for 10 years? | 22:20 |
| missMyN900 | if you are in the US and shipping is cheap it may be worth teh gamble | 22:20 |
| uvos | if its in good cosmetic condition, sure, they have no moving parts | 22:20 |
| missMyN900 | but if you are paying more than $30 to ship it to another continent it is better to get one that is in excellent condition IMHO | 22:21 |
| uvos | except the battery nothing fails really, and thats just as dead if its been sitting for 10 years | 22:21 |
| uvos | btw if you can | 22:21 |
| missMyN900 | I think touch screen failures can be an issue | 22:21 |
| missMyN900 | what is your advice for debugging the HIM/volume up key issue? | 22:22 |
| uvos | get one with the hw8x extended battery | 22:22 |
| uvos | its a non-hv normal lip | 22:22 |
| uvos | o | 22:22 |
| missMyN900 | I followed your advice for debugging the black screen bug | 22:22 |
| uvos | that ages mutch better than bw4x/eb41 | 22:22 |
| missMyN900 | unfortunately it did not work but I did do a paste | 22:22 |
| missMyN900 | I probably will not get a DB | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | but it is good info for norayr for sure | 22:23 |
| uvos | i did see that yeah | 22:23 |
| uvos | this means its not mce | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | are you sure? | 22:23 |
| uvos | yes | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | I can work around it by spamming the power key | 22:23 |
| uvos | its either lima or maybe hildon (fairly unlikely) | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | that works consistently | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | so that seems like a mce/power button event/whatever issue to me | 22:23 |
| uvos | but its not | 22:24 |
| uvos | mce just tells x to turn on the display | 22:24 |
| uvos | and xset asserts that has happend | 22:24 |
| uvos | so x has failed to create surfaces | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | it mostly occurs when rotating the phone | 22:24 |
| uvos | or hildon has failed to render surfaces | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | but does not always occur | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | maybe it is a good idea to try the Twister tablet? | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | see if it is lima related? | 22:25 |
| uvos | killing hildon is a good test | 22:25 |
| uvos | since if it works after that | 22:25 |
| uvos | its the opengl implementation or hildon itself | 22:26 |
| missMyN900 | how do I do that? Can I do that over ssh? | 22:26 |
| uvos | otherwise it could also be modesetting/drm failing to create the front buffer for some reason | 22:26 |
| uvos | sure | 22:26 |
| uvos | killall -9 hildon-desktop | 22:26 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 22:26 |
| missMyN900 | and it auto restarts? | 22:26 |
| uvos | yea | 22:27 |
| missMyN900 | alright I triggered it | 22:27 |
| missMyN900 | and restarted hildon | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | but it had no effect | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | however, spamming the power button worked again | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | and like I said before that also causes the notification LED to turn on | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | sometimes it resolves itself and then I also see the notification LED turn on | 22:28 |
| uvos | x/glamor is failing to create the frontbuffer or the crtc is failing to reactivate | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | the notification LED is connected to it | 22:28 |
| missMyN900 | what is crtc? | 22:29 |
| uvos | cathode ray tube controller | 22:29 |
| uvos | essentally "display output" | 22:29 |
| uvos | anyhow this is not really my department | 22:30 |
| uvos | maybe check if you can repoduce this without hildon | 22:30 |
| uvos | with just x/glamor | 22:30 |
| uvos | and then complain upstream to lima folks | 22:30 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: should I try if I can reproduce with another distro? | 22:31 |
| missMyN900 | pmOS? | 22:31 |
| uvos | you can just repoduce it on leste | 22:31 |
| missMyN900 | Mobian? | 22:31 |
| missMyN900 | but what UI should I use then? | 22:31 |
| uvos | by creating a runlevel without hildon stuff | 22:31 |
| uvos | and starting x with just a xterm or something | 22:32 |
| uvos | and then rotating with xrandr | 22:32 |
| uvos | no ui just control via ssh | 22:32 |
| missMyN900 | hmmm | 22:32 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I have an idea, I will lock the orientation and see if the disappears completely | 22:36 |
| uvos | not really a good test | 22:36 |
| uvos | rotating causes a lot of surfaces to be reallocated at the same time | 22:37 |
| missMyN900 | why not? Then we can be sure it is purely rotation related | 22:37 |
| uvos | oh sure, that just dosent tell us that mutch | 22:37 |
| missMyN900 | do you know where I can find the newer version of qtwebbrowser, by the way? | 22:38 |
| missMyN900 | I would like to take a look at that code | 22:38 |
| uvos | https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt-apps/qtwebbrowser.git/ | 22:38 |
| missMyN900 | ok thx | 22:39 |
| missMyN900 | also, do you think I should try devel first? | 22:39 |
| missMyN900 | to see if the black screen bug has been fixed already? | 22:39 |
| uvos | no its not | 22:39 |
| uvos | its x or mesa | 22:39 |
| uvos | both of those are the same | 22:39 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 22:40 |
| missMyN900 | but then Chimaera could be an improvement? | 22:40 |
| uvos | no we use even newer x/mesa than chimaera | 22:40 |
| missMyN900 | oh | 22:40 |
| missMyN900 | it is from upstream directly? | 22:40 |
| missMyN900 | or linux-sunxi or something? | 22:40 |
| uvos | git snapschots even | 22:41 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 22:42 |
| missMyN900 | modrana is working now | 22:42 |
| missMyN900 | last time I tried it (Dec 2021) it was not | 22:42 |
| missMyN900 | at least on the PP | 22:42 |
| missMyN900 | I will let it try to find my location this time | 22:43 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: by the way, what is your advice for debugging the HIM/volume up issue? Since you said I should follow it ;) | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | also, that issue is stopping me from using firefox at the moment (before qtwebbrowser, I was using FF on ML) | 22:54 |
| norayr | missMyN900: thank you, i have opened the link. | 22:59 |
| norayr | looks cool. | 22:59 |
| norayr | i was searching for something with keyboard, that's why i was thinking about droid3. | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | yes, but these are easier to find in good condition :) | 23:00 |
| norayr | i have droid4. but i have a tendency to hoard devices, so it is better to discourage me from buying something instead of encouraging. (: | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | you can join the vkb team :) | 23:00 |
| norayr | yes, as i see, droid3 is hard to find in good condition. | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | DB has the same resolution as the Jolla had | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | but on 4.3" instead of 4.5" | 23:01 |
| norayr | i do, on pinephone. though i should receive the hwkbd soon. | 23:01 |
| missMyN900 | oh that is cool | 23:01 |
| norayr | not sure how useful it'll be. | 23:01 |
| norayr | there was a motorola phone i'd really like to have, if its camera was working. | 23:01 |
| missMyN900 | DB has 8 MP camera and 1080p so should be relatively nice | 23:01 |
| norayr | it connects to the hasselblad attachment, and becomes more like a point and shoot camera with different focal length, with zoom lens. | 23:02 |
| norayr | yeah, but under leste it won't work, i guess. :/ | 23:02 |
| missMyN900 | according to wiki currently, no | 23:02 |
| uvos | boinics camera (same unit as d4) is piss poor even relative to its age | 23:02 |
| norayr | aaand, it is officially supported? is there a maemo sd card image for it? | 23:02 |
| uvos | yes droid bionic is fully supported | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | https://leste.maemo.org/Motorola_Droid_Bionic | 23:03 |
| norayr | actually if i found cheap devices, i know about 3-5 people, i would want to present the phone with leste. | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | speaking of the wiki, I edited the wiki yesterday to reflect that smplayer is in the Devuan repos | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | and that FoxtrotGPS has been tested (by me :) ) | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | since smplayer is on the wishlist | 23:03 |
| norayr | i just realized we don't have a simple camera to test it. but there should be one in debian repos. maybe cheese. or there was something like glucview. | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: how does its camera compare with the N900 camera? | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | maybe the phosh camera has been upstreamed already? | 23:04 |
| uvos | n900 is slightly better | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | I liked the N900 camera | 23:05 |
| missMyN900 | Jolla camera was very bad LOL | 23:05 |
| uvos | n900's cammera is good for its age | 23:05 |
| uvos | but by 2011 its just average | 23:05 |
| norayr | missMyN900: that's the attachment i was talking about: https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Hasselblad-Camera-Droid-Force/dp/B01J9SSQZY | 23:05 |
| uvos | by 2022 its terrible | 23:05 |
| norayr | and the phone is moto z force. not sure what is its chipset. | 23:05 |
| missMyN900 | oh but those are not OMAP/ML phones, I think | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | you should look into the Lumix phone | 23:06 |
| norayr | and speaking of jolla it's one of the devices i really like how it looks. | 23:06 |
| uvos | msm8xxxx | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | not a fan of Snapdragon | 23:06 |
| norayr | i like those straight corners, the flat boxy design. | 23:07 |
| missMyN900 | it does have interesting styling | 23:07 |
| norayr | uvos, do you know what is the chipset of moto z droid? is it texas instruments or quallcomm? | 23:07 |
| uvos | qcom | 23:07 |
| norayr | eh. | 23:07 |
| uvos | omap4 is also the last genration of ti chips | 23:08 |
| norayr | also, what's really bad about jolla phone is that we cannot change the operating system. | 23:08 |
| uvos | that was sold in any volume | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | Pyra has OMAP5 | 23:08 |
| uvos | right | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | but not in volume | 23:08 |
| uvos | in any volume | 23:08 |
| norayr | omg two chipset nerds. | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | not really, I just came across the Pyra a while ago and then again yesterday while browsing OMAP wikipedia | 23:08 |
| norayr | missMyN900: do you aware about keyboardless device that looks like a really flat box? sort of like jolla? | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | I was looking for more OMAP4 devices | 23:08 |
| missMyN900 | btw are there any plans for a Galaxy Nexus port? | 23:09 |
| uvos | no | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | i9250 should be easy to find across the world | 23:09 |
| norayr | i have google nexus s, i know it runs postmarket os, so i would like to contribute with many efforts to create a leste port. | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | why not? It is as good as it gets with OMAP4 | 23:09 |
| norayr | don't even know where to start. | 23:09 |
| uvos | its still a huge amount of effort | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | 4.65" 720p with 1.2 GHz 4460 | 23:09 |
| uvos | the omap4 is just one chip | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | pmOS seems pretty advanced | 23:09 |
| uvos | nexus s is totaly differant | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Galaxy_Nexus_GSM_(samsung-maguro) | 23:10 |
| norayr | for me, for some reason it is really slow (pmos). | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | almost everything is mainlined except modem | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | it'd be a nice, cheap tablet | 23:10 |
| norayr | maybe that's because musl is well, small, portable, but has less optimizations for different processors, than glibc. | 23:11 |
| norayr | also, i don't like the approach of musl's developer who doesn't like gpl. | 23:11 |
| uvos | no | 23:11 |
| uvos | anyhow its still a lot of effort to support a device | 23:11 |
| uvos | we wont do it | 23:11 |
| uvos | ofc anyone else can | 23:11 |
| missMyN900 | even if it is already well-supported by pmOS? | 23:11 |
| uvos | yes | 23:12 |
| norayr | i believe today pine64 devices are must to support. they bring a lot of users. | 23:12 |
| missMyN900 | so basically adding supported for, for example, the Pinephone Pro would be a lot of work too? | 23:12 |
| norayr | and we need users because some of them become contributors. | 23:12 |
| missMyN900 | even though it is heavily mainlined? | 23:12 |
| norayr | also, i remember mnt announced a phone, i guess. | 23:12 |
| uvos | yes | 23:12 |
| uvos | even keeping up with all the issues the d4 has is like a full time job | 23:13 |
| norayr | but, old motorola device doesn't bring many users - pinephones do. | 23:13 |
| uvos | it just gets extream once you get into details | 23:13 |
| uvos | and the d4 is really mainlined | 23:13 |
| uvos | not pmos fake mainlined | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: but PP seems to have poor pm unfortunately | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | mapphones will never be a true option in the US unfortunately | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | carriers are getting extremely restrictive | 23:14 |
| norayr | well, anyhow, a lot of users will suffer with that poor pm. isn't it better if they suffer in our community, by running maemo leste? | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | problem is if people are disappointed and decide to not use the PP much at all | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | like for example, I had no idea that A64 pm was inferior to even an old OMAP | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | luckily I never bought my PP to use as a phone in the first place | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | otherwise I would have been very unhappy and disappointed | 23:15 |
| norayr | well, maybe. just pp attracts people who think about freedom. so my two friends with pp, they run it, suffer with it, but run. | 23:15 |
| norayr | one even installed a jabber server and got a sim card with real ip. | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | I wonder if i.MX8M pm is better in the Librem | 23:16 |
| norayr | and eventually one friend decided to use leste, other uses sailfish. other distributions are too heavy and slow. | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | for sure | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | ML is the smoothest experience that I have so far | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | that is one of the things that attracted me to it | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | even back in 2021 when it was not as usable as it is now | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | it ran much better than pmOS Plasma | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | of course, as an ex-N900 user and fan there is more to it than that | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | norayr, uvos: but basically mapphones are dead in the US | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | VoLTE is becoming a requirement here right now | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | what is worse is that some carriers are even implementing whitelists! | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | so even if your phone is 100% technically capable of operating on their network, it can still be banned | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | basically the situation is very bleak for anyone who wants any kind of freedom/privacy or something unique/interesting | 23:19 |
| uvos | i gues you could use the one mapphone: the mz617 xD | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | in the future we may be stuck with not much more than Samsungs and iPhones | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | and remember that US Samsung Galaxy S series have a locked bootloader! | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | IIRC it cannot be unlocked | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | we get the Snapdragon versions here | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | because of CDMA traditionally | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | although now I think the MSMs are being sold in more places | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | and Exynos is getting less common | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/android-unsamlock-bootloader-unlock-for-samsung-us-canada-devices.4215101/ looks like there is some paid exploit | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | but it has been fixed in newer versions | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | it the post says that there indeed is no oem unlock in North American models | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | so it is true what I said | 23:23 |
| uvos | all mapphones except xt91x are also bootloader locked with no way to unlock | 23:24 |
| uvos | dident stop us | 23:24 |
| missMyN900 | still, I would not mind buying a mapphone without cellular but it is another device to care for | 23:26 |
| missMyN900 | and I am worried about the battery because I have not had good experiences at all with my i515 (Verizon Galaxy Nexus) and BB Z10 | 23:26 |
| missMyN900 | both of which I bought used for about $20 | 23:26 |
| norayr | i have some crypto anarchist friends who live in rural russia. but they only own computers, because they don't trust phones. | 23:28 |
| norayr | ml would be a good choice for them to stay connected. | 23:28 |
| norayr | even without gsm/3g, only by using wifi. | 23:28 |
| norayr | just after the war started, one of those came for a couple of days to armenia, to try to open a bank account, but i had no device to give them at time. | 23:29 |
| norayr | won't send the device, need to give from hand to hand. so next time i see them. if i have the devices. | 23:30 |
| missMyN900 | they are smart people ;) | 23:31 |
| norayr | maybe indeed, bionic is a good device for a present. especially if the battery is easily replacable. nokia n9 looks cooler, but the battery is a problem. | 23:31 |
| missMyN900 | I would definitely go for a Bionic | 23:32 |
| norayr | do you aware if the battery in bionic can be easily replaced, by opening a cover? | 23:32 |
| uvos | it has a removable battery | 23:32 |
| uvos | but good luk finding one thats in good shape | 23:32 |
| uvos | they stoped makeing them in 2014 | 23:32 |
| norayr | btw, it's interesting, i see that lagrange gemini client crashes on droid4 often, but is very stable under pinephone. probably it is not tested well on 32bit | 23:33 |
| uvos | d4 is mutch better | 23:33 |
| norayr | systems. | 23:33 |
| uvos | since it has screw terminals | 23:33 |
| norayr | uvos, but those screw terminals is such a problem for me. | 23:33 |
| uvos | how so? | 23:33 |
| norayr | the screws on mine are not in good shape. every time i am afraid i won't be able to use them again. | 23:33 |
| norayr | then... i used to carry second battery with n900 and swap. | 23:34 |
| uvos | they are just m1.5 screews | 23:34 |
| uvos | iirc | 23:34 |
| uvos | you can just buy them | 23:34 |
| norayr | with droid it is a problem to unscrew and screw every time. | 23:34 |
| norayr | okay. didn't think of it. | 23:34 |
| norayr | and when my battery dies and i need to put it to external charger | 23:34 |
| norayr | i need to unscrew and screw again. (: | 23:34 |
| norayr | what about droid3? i just like how it looks more. | 23:35 |
| uvos | same as bionic | 23:35 |
| norayr | so droid4 is the most powerful and modern? | 23:35 |
| uvos | out of which devices? | 23:36 |
| uvos | bionic and d4 are 90% the same | 23:36 |
| uvos | d3 has less ram and no lte | 23:36 |
| uvos | d4 has best combination of features | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I saw a Mugen for the Atrix 2, which seems to be the same phone for a different carrier | 23:37 |
| uvos | ofc | 23:37 |
| missMyN900 | I remember N900 Mugen batts :) | 23:37 |
| uvos | atrix 2 has a totaly different case | 23:37 |
| uvos | its also a mapphone btw | 23:37 |
| missMyN900 | yes | 23:37 |
| uvos | http://uvos.xyz/maserati/mapphones.ods | 23:38 |
| uvos | thats an exaustive list btw | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: yes, I have the same issue with Z10! | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | I constantly need to swap batteries with my external charger | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: are you familiar with the Z10? | 23:39 |
| missMyN900 | it is "the other" Qt phone ;) | 23:39 |
| missMyN900 | actually, the global version was also a mapphone | 23:39 |
| norayr | never heard of it i think. | 23:39 |
| norayr | let me check it out. | 23:40 |
| * norayr downloading the ods file | 23:40 | |
| missMyN900 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Z10 | 23:40 |
| missMyN900 | if you are a phone collector, you should def have one | 23:41 |
| uvos | missMyN900: um mapphone is a motorola arch that includes a ti omap4 and a motorola cpacap chip | 23:41 |
| missMyN900 | oh | 23:41 |
| missMyN900 | it has a 4470 | 23:41 |
| uvos | right | 23:41 |
| uvos | its more a 4470 referance implemntation | 23:41 |
| uvos | the mapphones are very far from a ti referance implementaiton | 23:41 |
| missMyN900 | most RAM of any OMAP4 phone probably :) | 23:41 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I got mine for $22 | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | it is an ex-Canadian one | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | GSM with LTE, so theoretically I could use it on T-Mobile US | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | but no VoLTE | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | so would be LTE data only | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | by the way if you guys ever need any ML testing on T-Mobile US, I can do it | 23:43 |
| uvos | same thing should be possible with mz617 | 23:43 |
| uvos | in theroy | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | I got it to work on the PP with pmOS Plasma APN auto detect | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | it uses a special APN | 23:44 |
| uvos | not that i recommend testing this theory | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | rather than official/regular LTE APN | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: Z10 is a feature phone now basically though | 23:45 |
| missMyN900 | BB World is dead so no apps | 23:46 |
| missMyN900 | I use it as an mp3 player | 23:46 |
| missMyN900 | OS is super smooth | 23:46 |
| missMyN900 | it has a microSDXC slot | 23:46 |
| missMyN900 | OS is QNX based | 23:47 |
| missMyN900 | very nice | 23:47 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: actually I had a BB Classic after I sold my Jolla (I missed the hwkb of the N900 more than mobile Linux for daily use tbh) | 23:49 |
| missMyN900 | all that switching phones cost me a ton of money due to poor resale value | 23:49 |
| missMyN900 | but I was young and dumb ;) | 23:50 |
| norayr | yes, something that cannot run linux is not a computer, and cannot be used as computer. | 23:51 |
| norayr | to me that, being able to be used as computer, is the most important thing in a device. | 23:51 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 23:53 |
| norayr | there was a lot of 5 droid4's for $120 i guess. | 23:53 |
| missMyN900 | honestly the ML project should pool money together to buy those | 23:54 |
| norayr | but all the devices that can run leste are under this computer category. | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | I know | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | for me, I had actually given up on that | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | until the PP :) | 23:54 |
| missMyN900 | but PP will probably never be a phone for me | 23:54 |
| norayr | even pmos... probably i should install pmos on that nexus s device, just to feel better. and ssh to it from time to time. (: | 23:55 |
| missMyN900 | you could get a Galaxy Nexus too | 23:55 |
| missMyN900 | and run pmOS | 23:55 |
| missMyN900 | there is i9250 (international), i515 Toro (Vzw) and L700 (Sprint) | 23:55 |
| norayr | let me check that, i never know these nexuses well. this device i just have because somebody gave me, they just don't need it. | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | I had a i515 but gifted it last year | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | all are OMAP4460 | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | just different modems | 23:56 |
| norayr | i am trying now to move my mobile computing to leste, be it droid or pp. | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | i515 is LTE | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | I think L700 is very similar | 23:56 |
| missMyN900 | i9250 is 3G only | 23:56 |
| norayr | one thing i really need is 2fa, which i now run under sailfish. | 23:57 |
| norayr | i am afraid i need to write a new gui for the sailfish app. | 23:57 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues?sort=created_date&state=opened&label_name[]=lima I don't see anything that could be relevant | 23:57 |
| norayr | the rest is doable. gemini i already have. there are many browsers for debian. | 23:57 |
| missMyN900 | it has still not required a location fix | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | I don't think it is going to happen | 23:59 |
| missMyN900 | let's see | 23:59 |
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