| norayr | folks i think i found a problem | 01:21 |
|---|---|---|
| norayr | in /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h on line 29 it is included: | 01:22 |
| norayr | #include <dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h> | 01:22 |
| norayr | which doesn't exist. | 01:22 |
| missMyN900 | sicelo: yes, you mentioned that there are no images for x86. However, apparently there are packages being built for the ML repos for x86 architectures. So my question is are those only for 64 bit (AMD64) or also i386 (really i686)? | 01:48 |
| norayr | missMyN900: i did not ignore what you've said. | 02:06 |
| norayr | just when i was trying to answer you were not around. | 02:06 |
| norayr | but sorry i am working now and i need to sleep in a bit. | 02:06 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: no problem. I just understand. | 02:12 |
| missMyN900 | *I understand | 02:13 |
| missMyN900 | hmmm https://phoenix.maemo.org/ does not list any x86 architecture at all | 02:27 |
| missMyN900 | https://maedevu.maemo.org/images/virtual-machines/20220619/ there is an amd64 QEMU image | 02:27 |
| missMyN900 | https://maedevu.maemo.org/pkgweb/ has amd64 as well | 02:28 |
| missMyN900 | but no i386 :( | 02:28 |
| missMyN900 | no easy way to avoid dealing with 32-bit UEFI on AMD64... | 02:28 |
| missMyN900 | I guess I will at least start downloading Devuan Beowulf AMD64 also | 02:28 |
| missMyN900 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/635939/efi-installation-of-devuan-beowulf | 02:32 |
| missMyN900 | looks like you just need to install a 32 bit GRUB package from hte live CD | 02:32 |
| missMyN900 | I was already downloading the live image anyway for convenience | 02:32 |
| buZz | missMyN900: maybe https://leste.maemo.org/Image_Builder can be used? | 02:58 |
| missMyN900 | someone (sorry, I do not remember if it was Wizzup or uvos) said installing Devuan was preferred on AMD64 | 03:00 |
| missMyN900 | I have already flashed the USB drive, so when I get around to it, I will try to install Devuan on the Atom tablet | 03:01 |
| missMyN900 | then, I will see if I can succesfully turn it into ML | 03:01 |
| missMyN900 | otherwise I will install Chimaera or maybe build a pmOS image | 03:01 |
| buZz | should just be adding a repo | 03:02 |
| buZz | and installing some meta packages? | 03:02 |
| buZz | i think | 03:02 |
| missMyN900 | yes, probably, I will see :) | 03:04 |
| rafael2k | just realized libcamera has a gstreamer source | 08:38 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 08:38 |
| rafael2k | btw, sorry I already asked this... but any plans for updating ML to chimaera? | 08:44 |
| freemangordon | we shall do it, no doubt | 09:16 |
| freemangordon | it is just that focus is on TP/calls | 09:16 |
| freemangordon | the big issue there is with gconf | 09:16 |
| Wizzup | dsc_: the gtk rtcom code already does this for contacts+search | 10:04 |
| Wizzup | progressively | 10:04 |
| Wizzup | uvos: in your ods you don't have the droid4 lte marked as us only | 10:05 |
| Wizzup | is that on purpose/ | 10:05 |
| uvos__ | Wizzup: yes that refers to the presence of lte hardware, not where it works | 10:22 |
| uvos__ | the us only ones means that only the devices sold in us even have the lte modem | 10:22 |
| uvos__ | but i gues the droid4s sold in europe dident have a lte modem either | 10:23 |
| uvos__ | or a screen | 10:23 |
| uvos__ | or a mainboard etc :P | 10:23 |
| Wizzup | ok | 10:23 |
| Wizzup | It just kind of seems to suggest it might work in europe | 10:23 |
| Wizzup | is all | 10:23 |
| uvos__ | sure yeah | 10:23 |
| uvos__ | maybe should clarify it by relacing lte with lte hardware present | 10:24 |
| uvos__ | *replaceing | 10:24 |
| uvos__ | it should work in japan and some caribbian islands btw | 10:24 |
| Wizzup | ok | 10:24 |
| uvos__ | if wikipedia is to be belived wrt available bands | 10:24 |
| Wizzup | maybe I should visit one of the dutch carribian islands :P | 10:25 |
| uvos__ | :P | 10:25 |
| mighty17[m] | tmlind: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap4-mcpdm.dtsi is this just for twl6040? i have a different codec sooo :/ | 10:36 |
| rafael2k | freemangordon: understood - tks! | 10:39 |
| rafael2k | uvos__: in Brazil it will work | 10:40 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 10:41 |
| Wizzup | would be neat if someone got it to work | 10:42 |
| rafael2k | I don't really get what the problem is | 10:42 |
| Wizzup | it lacks a driver and pretty much everything else I think :) | 10:43 |
| rafael2k | right... | 10:43 |
| rafael2k | :/ | 10:43 |
| uvos__ | it dosent need mutch | 10:43 |
| uvos__ | you need to input sim data | 10:43 |
| uvos__ | there apears a cli utility on the the modem when you log in you should be able to use | 10:44 |
| uvos__ | then it just presents a usb networking device | 10:44 |
| uvos__ | (i uses the android usb thethereing infastructure) | 10:44 |
| dsc_ | < Wizzup> dsc_: the gtk rtcom code already does this for contacts+search <== code? | 10:44 |
| uvos__ | its really just a different android device with lte thats usb tethered to the rest of the phone | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | I will need to verify but https://github.com/maemo-leste/rtcom-eventlogger-ui | 10:44 |
| dsc_ | wait, you're talking about the searching of contacts, so that's most likely some external thing, no? | 10:45 |
| uvos__ | so it should essantaly work (without ui) | 10:45 |
| uvos__ | someone just needs to try it | 10:45 |
| dsc_ | Wizzup: I'm talking specifically about the searching of messages, see also https://github.com/maemo-leste/conversations/issues/8 | 10:45 |
| Wizzup | pretty sure rtcom plugin for calls and messages also allow searching contacts | 10:45 |
| Wizzup | yeah searching of messages is a different story | 10:46 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: ok, ty | 10:46 |
| rafael2k | uvos__: nice phone! it would not be difficult to connect indeed | 10:54 |
| buZz | uvos__: isnt droid4 -completely- US only? | 11:02 |
| buZz | wasnt* | 11:03 |
| rafael2k | at least ITU Region 2... | 11:07 |
| rafael2k | it will certainly work | 11:07 |
| rafael2k | (aka - Americas) | 11:08 |
| buZz | no i mean, it wasnt sold -at all- outside US | 11:08 |
| rafael2k | ah, sorry | 11:08 |
| buZz | there was no EU version | 11:08 |
| buZz | the only 'EU version' was just people who installed normal updates from VerySun and travelled around | 11:09 |
| rafael2k | your are right, only US I think | 11:10 |
| buZz | right? thats why they are so 'rare' on ebay too | 11:10 |
| rafael2k | I could not find in Brazil's most common online shops either | 11:13 |
| rafael2k | just took a look | 11:13 |
| uvos__ | buZz: yes thats the joke, d4s in europe where sold without lte, display, mainboard, keyboard etc | 11:15 |
| uvos__ | buZz: we did see a d4 with a german keyboard in germany on ebay once | 11:15 |
| buZz | uvos__: well, many german scientists moved to that nation to help them make more weapons after WW2 | 11:16 |
| uvos__ | probubly a engeneering sample for a european release, that never came because motorola mobility was sold to google and restructured right after | 11:16 |
| buZz | maybe some didnt even care enough to learn Usian | 11:16 |
| rafael2k | German and Usian are not so different languages | 11:18 |
| rafael2k | :P | 11:18 |
| uvos__ | wie bitte!? | 11:18 |
| buZz | Ja Genau | 11:18 |
| buZz | Blackwoodcherrypie anyone? | 11:18 |
| rafael2k | does the N900 have version with Cyrillic alphabet keyboard? | 11:28 |
| rafael2k | trying to find one to practice my russian writing | 11:29 |
| buZz | N900 russian is a thing yeah | 11:34 |
| rafael2k | I even found a launch video in youtube | 11:38 |
| rafael2k | :P | 11:38 |
| rafael2k | - "the most important Nokia launch in 2009" | 11:38 |
| rafael2k | ol' times | 11:38 |
| dsc_ | xa) | 11:38 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 11:42 |
| norayr | so folks | 16:23 |
| norayr | i found that file | 16:23 |
| norayr | on arm64 it is in /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include/dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h | 16:23 |
| norayr | on amd64 it is in different location | 16:23 |
| norayr | and i guess on 32bit arm | 16:23 |
| norayr | so gcc doesn't find it. | 16:23 |
| norayr | will tinker with it later again, just i understand that comes from debian and devuan. | 16:24 |
| Wizzup | do you use pkg-config ? | 16:40 |
| lel | sanderfoobar opened a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/rtcom-eventlogger/pull/1 (RTCOM_EL_OP_STR_LIKE) | 17:55 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: can you look? | 18:21 |
| lel | sanderfoobar synchronize a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/rtcom-eventlogger/pull/1 (RTCOM_EL_OP_STR_LIKE) | 18:32 |
| lel | sanderfoobar synchronize a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/rtcom-eventlogger/pull/1 (RTCOM_EL_OP_STR_LIKE) | 21:33 |
| norayr | folks | 22:43 |
| norayr | so the file dbus-arch-deps.h is located in /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include/dbus | 22:44 |
| norayr | or /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dbus-1.0/include/dbus/ on droid | 22:45 |
| norayr | how would i #include it in source code? | 22:45 |
| norayr | to be presice /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h includes it as | 22:48 |
| norayr | #include <dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h> | 22:48 |
| norayr | but that way it is not found. | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | you shall use pkg-config | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | like `pkg-config --cflags --libs dbus-1` in gcc comdline | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | *cmdline | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | or if it is autotools project, ask google on how to use PKG_CHECK_MODULES in configure.ac | 22:50 |
| norayr | okay. just most of the header files are in /usr/include but this one, only one is in that strange path. | 22:59 |
| norayr | ebay lists droid3 which has a lock code. | 23:05 |
| norayr | is it feasible to hack? do i need to hack it at all? | 23:05 |
| norayr | does uvos know how to install leste on emmc on droid3 too? | 23:06 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I think D3 support is not that good yet | 23:11 |
| missMyN900 | how about https://www.ebay.com/itm/113706311253 ? | 23:12 |
| norayr | missMyN900: i wanted to tell you that i had a pinephone camera working on maemo leste | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | oh that is really cool | 23:13 |
| norayr | it was about a year ago and xorg was very luggy | 23:13 |
| norayr | but i can package it | 23:13 |
| norayr | i am very tired now but maybe even this night i will be able to | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | you don't really have to do it just for me if it a lot of work | 23:13 |
| missMyN900 | PP camera is pretty bad anyway | 23:13 |
| norayr | but then it'll take some days till they'll open a repo in extras and a builder. | 23:13 |
| norayr | i actually like pp camera a lot. | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | my Z10 camera destroys it ;) | 23:14 |
| norayr | i'll tell you why | 23:14 |
| norayr | first of all i like that it is so dumb. | 23:14 |
| norayr | i love dumb cameras. | 23:14 |
| norayr | secondly i love the megapixels app because it has a script to postprocess raw files. | 23:14 |
| norayr | and it shoots raw by default! | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | megapixels takes ages to save the image though | 23:14 |
| missMyN900 | I tried it on pmOS 22.06 (just released) | 23:14 |
| norayr | so when i shoot with other cameras i then must postprocess everything with imagemagick and my LUT presets. | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | I could not open the DNGs in Plasma Mobile... | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | only the JPEGs | 23:15 |
| norayr | and i automated megapixels just to save the jpeg which i need. | 23:15 |
| norayr | i don't need that generic jpeg it shoots by default. i need with my settings. | 23:15 |
| norayr | that is why i love megapixels. and i actually love pinephone. | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | I prefer my Z10 camera, to be honest | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | it was on par with the iPhone 4S camera so not bad | 23:16 |
| norayr | because it is the device with the battery i can remove. i prefer to have two batteries with me, and feed it often, but know i have a device | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | much faster | 23:16 |
| norayr | which i can run completely open os. | 23:16 |
| norayr | on. | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | actually I have 2 batteries for my Z10 as well :D | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | OS is not open but I know that it is not spying on me | 23:16 |
| norayr | how do you know? | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | BB was not in the advertising business ;) | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | besides BB10 servers have been shut down | 23:17 |
| norayr | ah, bb. | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | app store is closed | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | and I have it in flight mode almost always | 23:17 |
| missMyN900 | and no SIM card inserted | 23:17 |
| norayr | yeah i know. my wife uses bb bold. very old. i wrote a program in oberon which moved her google abook to bb. | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | Z10 is completely different though ;) | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | BB10 uses Qt like Sailfish and Harmattan | 23:18 |
| norayr | yeah i remembered i checked it out. | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | it is kind of Harmattan inspired like SFOS | 23:18 |
| norayr | and i wanted to say i like my compiler more because it is not in gcc infrastructure. | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | oh why do not like GCC? | 23:19 |
| norayr | i mean for me being a gcc part... well it is a good sign that maybe the compiler will be used more, be part of linux distributions etc | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | you think it is too big? | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | you prefer tcc as well? :P | 23:20 |
| norayr | but it is very complicated, and they change their internals often. they try to prevent development of forks. | 23:20 |
| norayr | if you have a fork with own backend or frontend it is very hard to backport all the changes. | 23:20 |
| norayr | whatever, it is big. | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | I also learned about OBNC | 23:20 |
| norayr | llvm is even worse, because the license. for me. | 23:20 |
| missMyN900 | it is interesting | 23:21 |
| norayr | my compiler, unfortunately generates c. but it can use tcc, which is a simple compiler. it uses gcc by default though. | 23:21 |
| dreamer | what's wrong with the license? | 23:21 |
| norayr | let's not start it, i cannot tolerate bsd licenses. | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | I think norayr prefers GPL vs BSD/MIT etc | 23:21 |
| dreamer | lol | 23:21 |
| missMyN900 | I am not that hard core FOSS, to be honest | 23:22 |
| * dreamer neither | 23:22 | |
| norayr | but i had another compiler which generated assembly. it is now published but for about a decade i was not sure if i can publish it so i put more effort | 23:22 |
| dreamer | well I consider bsd/mit/isc FOSS | 23:22 |
| norayr | into the other source tree which i was able to distribute under gpl. | 23:22 |
| dreamer | they are compatible with GPL | 23:22 |
| dreamer | but they simply allow proprietary changes. in some cases that's fine imo | 23:22 |
| norayr | they allow corporations to improve and not participate in evolution. | 23:22 |
| norayr | that's why unix itself was fragmented but neither branch particularly gained anything. | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | the success of FOSS has also led to some undesirable things occurring IMHO | 23:23 |
| dreamer | for "infrastructure" I do agree that it's better to have GPL-type licensing to keep common infra as commons | 23:23 |
| norayr | there are cool changes but those changes die in their own branches. | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | i.e. move from companies selling software to things like data mining/collection | 23:23 |
| missMyN900 | it can be hard to make money with FOSS (in a somewhat ethical way) as well | 23:24 |
| norayr | sure. no idea how to do that. | 23:24 |
| missMyN900 | GPL is a better business model though than BSD ;) | 23:24 |
| norayr | well some can. i like it when they sell 'conversations' app on google play. | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | just look at Qt or MuPDF | 23:25 |
| norayr | but it is open and available on fdroid for free. | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | those are GPL | 23:25 |
| norayr | or ardour devs sell builds for money. | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | Osmand has something similar | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | full version is free on F-Droid but costs money in the Play Store | 23:25 |
| dreamer | yeah people saying GPL/FOSS cannot be commercial do not understand it ;) | 23:25 |
| norayr | yes very cool. gpl does not prohibit selling software. | 23:25 |
| missMyN900 | I agree but it can be harder than just selling proprietary software | 23:26 |
| dreamer | now ardour devs are not rolling in money or anything, but they have a significant following and are able to make ends meet | 23:26 |
| norayr | it doesn't even prohibit having changes and not sharing those changes. | 23:26 |
| missMyN900 | and I consider selling closed source software much more ethical than what Google etc are doing | 23:26 |
| norayr | it only says if you publish binary with your changes you also need to distribute the source code with the same license. | 23:26 |
| dreamer | norayr: well GPL does, in a way. for private changes that's fine. but if you try to do anything with your GPL changes you are obliged to publish | 23:26 |
| dreamer | if someone requests to see the code you legally have to give it | 23:27 |
| missMyN900 | I prefer closed source BB10 to Google Android with Play Services. Maybe that makes me a heretic ;) | 23:27 |
| missMyN900 | of course, Nokia/Maemo was even better :D :( | 23:27 |
| norayr | dreamer: if i use it in my company i think i don't need to publish it. | 23:28 |
| norayr | anyway if it is that way i like it even more. | 23:28 |
| norayr | missMyN900: i was not able to use n900 because both my n900's died. with usb problem. | 23:28 |
| norayr | which cannot be repaired. | 23:28 |
| missMyN900 | :( | 23:28 |
| norayr | but someone presented me two devices. | 23:28 |
| norayr | i gave one to the dev who was very inspired of maemo work, i had lots of hope in him, but he disappeared. | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | at least you have D4 | 23:29 |
| norayr | the other i would like to use as a camera, and also to compare how the apps were working on fremantle, and how do they behave on leste. | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | that must be a decent replacement | 23:29 |
| norayr | currently i am porting three apps i think. | 23:29 |
| missMyN900 | of course nothing will ever be the same as an N900... | 23:29 |
| norayr | and i love fcamera. it is the best camera ever. | 23:29 |
| norayr | i think someone can make the camera work on leste. the drivers are here. | 23:30 |
| norayr | the app is available. | 23:30 |
| norayr | i think someone who understands in v4l can make it work. | 23:30 |
| norayr | just it's not me. | 23:30 |
| norayr | missMyN900: expect a megapixels build from me. i didn't package it because someone in chat said someone else does it. | 23:31 |
| norayr | and if someone else was doing it i assumed they'd do it better than me. | 23:31 |
| norayr | so i didn't continue. | 23:31 |
| norayr | then my sdcard died and i lost every work which i didn't push to github. | 23:31 |
| missMyN900 | ok I will gladly test it if it is coming in the near future | 23:31 |
| missMyN900 | but I am thinking of selling my Pinephone | 23:31 |
| norayr | great. i think it'll be laggy but it'll work. because it was luggy but it was working. | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | I will try to install ML on the Atom tablet | 23:32 |
| norayr | i did photos with megapixels under pinephone myself. | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | if that doesn't work I may get a DB | 23:32 |
| norayr | just i was running it from console. | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | I am not that happy with the PP overall and it is still worth something now | 23:32 |
| missMyN900 | if I sell it I can buy a ThinkPenguin USB LTE modem that is Linux compatible | 23:33 |
| norayr | yeah i am also thinking of using it on my old x86 computer which looks like flash drive, and connects to hdmi on tvset. | 23:33 |
| missMyN900 | oh it probably also has such an Atom inside ;) | 23:33 |
| norayr | yes yes. | 23:34 |
| missMyN900 | are going to create a 10 ft version of Hildon :D | 23:34 |
| norayr | i think it is 12 years old. | 23:34 |
| norayr | it runs latest debian now. | 23:34 |
| missMyN900 | (10 ft refers to distance from a TV) | 23:34 |
| norayr | (: | 23:34 |
| missMyN900 | Plasma has a "Big Screen" version | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | it is available on pmOS | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | you could build a pmOS with Plasma Big SCreen as well | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | *image | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | with pmbootstrap | 23:35 |
| norayr | yes, btw what is that tool? | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | pmbootstrap creates custom pmOS images | 23:35 |
| missMyN900 | any architecture, any interface | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | you can even add packages | 23:36 |
| norayr | is it available somewhere? i have read that it is mentioned in the manual for that nexus s i have here. | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | Nexus S manual? | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | You mean pmOS wikip age? | 23:36 |
| norayr | minute | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | I have never used it but I have read the wiki page and am i nterested in it | 23:36 |
| norayr | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Samsung_Nexus_S_(samsung-crespo) | 23:36 |
| missMyN900 | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Installation_guide | 23:37 |
| missMyN900 | yes | 23:37 |
| missMyN900 | check that page I linked to | 23:37 |
| norayr | okay thank you | 23:37 |
| norayr | let me also check your ebay link. | 23:37 |
| norayr | i actually got one droid3. on the ebay photo i did not notice that the screen is cracked. | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | :( | 23:38 |
| norayr | also it was like it fell in to the bucket filled with glue. | 23:38 |
| missMyN900 | you can also join #postmarketos on OFTC network, by the way | 23:38 |
| norayr | and then i washed it carefully, spent hours on it. | 23:38 |
| norayr | i am actually installing maemo on it now. | 23:38 |
| norayr | downloading images. | 23:38 |
| norayr | and i like it so much. | 23:39 |
| norayr | it is much more beautiful than droid4. | 23:39 |
| norayr | yeah i tried to join it, but i don't understand, probably my 'biboumi' xmpp->irc gateway doesn't do ssl connections, and that channel required ssl. | 23:39 |
| norayr | i am joined #sailfishos there via my gateway. | 23:40 |
| missMyN900 | yes, I think it requires SSL/TLS | 23:40 |
| norayr | this all will be fixed when i move my server from funtoo to gentoo, but that is even more offtopic. | 23:40 |
| norayr | btw, gentoo, which was doing eudev old udev fork to be free of systemd | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | pmOS 22.06 is very unstable on my PP at least though | 23:42 |
| norayr | now gave up | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | just a heads up | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | noooooo | 23:42 |
| norayr | they created small udev package called systemd-udev or something like that. | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | at least Alpine does not depend on it | 23:42 |
| norayr | so they added three packages named systemd-something | 23:42 |
| norayr | but alpine has musl... | 23:42 |
| missMyN900 | Alpine (and therefore pmOS) uses mdev from Busybox | 23:42 |
| norayr | devuan also doesn't depend on it. | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | oh that is good | 23:43 |
| norayr | void linux is using eudev by gentoo | 23:43 |
| norayr | so gentoo is still using openrc | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | I am running Alpine 3.16 on one laptop | 23:43 |
| missMyN900 | very lightweight setup | 23:43 |
| norayr | but they got some source from systemd and created their own small utilities/services. | 23:43 |
| norayr | you know, pmos was sooo slow on my pp. | 23:43 |
| norayr | and i don't know what to blame it on except than on musl. | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | honestly, it is Plasma/Phosh | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | no, it is not musl | 23:44 |
| norayr | same phosh on manjaro or mobian was much faster. | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | I think they have a newer kernel | 23:44 |
| norayr | so sincerely i don't understand | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | ML uses Mobian kernel AFAIK too | 23:44 |
| norayr | also musl is not gpl and the creator has an article no how he dislikes gpl. | 23:44 |
| missMyN900 | for the PP | 23:44 |
| norayr | i think no. rafael2k contributes patches to ml kernel. | 23:45 |
| missMyN900 | oh that does not bother me too much | 23:45 |
| norayr | so i think it is a separate kernel. mainline with patches. | 23:45 |
| missMyN900 | and there is only a limited number of choices for systemd-free Linux distros | 23:45 |
| missMyN900 | Alpine has never failed me | 23:45 |
| norayr | yeah it looks minimalistic. | 23:46 |
| norayr | i also liked (from far away) k1ss linux | 23:47 |
| norayr | but i think it is practically dead. | 23:47 |
| norayr | sorry i will disconnect and connect shortly. | 23:48 |
| missMyN900 | Plasma is faster/smoother on 22.06 though | 23:48 |
| missMyN900 | but it (or Wayland) is very unstable | 23:48 |
| norayr | never liked qt or kde. | 23:55 |
| norayr | i loved gnome1 | 23:55 |
| norayr | but even then it was very heavy for me. | 23:55 |
| norayr | i felt that ppl who develop this things have big, huge screens. | 23:55 |
| dreamer | norayr: yes you do | 23:55 |
| norayr | and i had i think 640x480 or 800x600 screens. | 23:55 |
| dreamer | norayr: you would be violating the GPL then | 23:56 |
| dreamer | I mean, not just about using the code. depends on what the code is/does | 23:56 |
| norayr | also to me the experience of kde felt very much like replicating windows ideas. | 23:56 |
| dreamer | but if you make modifications. or statically link to other code. you have to | 23:56 |
| norayr | gnome was different. | 23:56 |
| norayr | but anyway it was too heavy for my computers. | 23:56 |
| norayr | so i was always using windowmaker. | 23:56 |
| norayr | dreamer: first versions of kde were proprietary. | 23:57 |
| norayr | that's why gnome project started, to create a de which is free. | 23:57 |
| dreamer | sorry what are you responding to? | 23:58 |
| dreamer | because I don't care about DE's | 23:58 |
| norayr | i think you brought reasons why i wouldn't like kde. | 23:58 |
| norayr | that's why i continued that 'thread' of talk. | 23:59 |
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