| missMyN900 | and at the end of the day running Plasma Mobile does not excite me very much either | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| missMyN900 | power management is a big deal for me | 00:01 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | audio on mobile platforms is quite annoying to get working :( | 00:01 |
| missMyN900 | should it not be the same for each SoC platform? | 00:01 |
| missMyN900 | I mean like for i.MX6/8 and a given Allwinner/sunxi generation? | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | I imagine it would be similar for Qualcomm | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | I know it is more difficult than on the PC with HDA/Azalia but I have read that even there there are quirks | 00:04 |
| missMyN900 | actually, I am now thinking about getting a used Android and using it without Play Services etc and with F-Droid. Also considering getting a used Xperia and trying Sailfish (I can always use Lineage if it does not work out) | 00:06 |
| missMyN900 | because I have realized that probably 1 GB RAM and a dual Cortex A9 would not be enough for my use | 00:07 |
| xmn | if it fits you sailfish is awesome | 00:07 |
| missMyN900 | if I could use it as my phone that would be one thing but if I can't use it at that, web browsing should at least be a good experience | 00:07 |
| missMyN900 | xmn: I used to own a Jolla | 00:07 |
| xmn | throw some containers and waydroid you might have everything you need | 00:07 |
| missMyN900 | so I am familiar with it, albeit a much older version | 00:07 |
| missMyN900 | I actually got it on launch' | 00:08 |
| missMyN900 | I should still have the t-shirt somewhere ;) | 00:08 |
| xmn | nice, then you know the daily living better then me | 00:08 |
| missMyN900 | but yeah, I am thinking it could be good to get a phone that could be replace my iPhone if/when it dies | 00:09 |
| xmn | I used it on multiboot and sd, most for updating my pebble watch. | 00:09 |
| missMyN900 | so that means that it works with T-Mobile US, including VoLTE | 00:09 |
| xmn | but maybe we went over this before :) | 00:09 |
| missMyN900 | that was a long time ago though | 00:09 |
| missMyN900 | I sold my Jolla in 2015H2 IIRC | 00:10 |
| missMyN900 | and got a BB Classic | 00:10 |
| xmn | last I tried it could txt, call. but audio was messed up and battery drain fast. But was buttery on the PP. I haven't tried it since they added encrypted dir, I have to edit something I haven't had time for. | 00:11 |
| missMyN900 | I imagine it is better on an Xperia though | 00:11 |
| missMyN900 | should be similar to the Jolla with supported models | 00:11 |
| missMyN900 | as the Jolla was also running SFOS on libhybris on a Qualcomm SoC (Snapdragon 400 dual core Krait) | 00:11 |
| missMyN900 | if you recall, they were planning to run it natively on a Novathor U-something | 00:12 |
| missMyN900 | but ST-Ericson got out of the mobile SoC market | 00:12 |
| xmn | bb, ubuntu phone, webOS, maemo could have ruled the world if they would have only worked together to build cross platform apps with qt, webbase and a few other too. | 00:12 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know honestly | 00:12 |
| missMyN900 | biggest problem is stuff like banking apps | 00:13 |
| xmn | xperiea seem the way to go for less problems | 00:13 |
| Wizzup | I don't think it's that easy | 00:13 |
| missMyN900 | working together is not going to solve that | 00:13 |
| missMyN900 | those companies are lazy | 00:13 |
| missMyN900 | they only want to support the duopoly | 00:13 |
| xmn | what's that Wizzup? | 00:13 |
| missMyN900 | I read that even in NL you basically are forced to have a Google Android device running an OEM ROM or iPhone | 00:14 |
| missMyN900 | while the EU is talking about digital self-suffiency and even funding ML... | 00:14 |
| missMyN900 | so why are/were they at least not supporting European OSes? | 00:15 |
| xmn | depends how you use banking apps. You might be able to do it in the browser. | 00:15 |
| missMyN900 | true but for many that is not acceptable | 00:15 |
| missMyN900 | tbh I have a banking app installed but never use it | 00:16 |
| xmn | agree | 00:16 |
| missMyN900 | so I don't even know (and of course it differs with each bank) if there are 'special' things that can only be done in the app | 00:16 |
| xmn | also there are feature bank apps use that won't work on the website. Like they need your imei number to allow for some transactions | 00:17 |
| xmn | yeah, depositing check with a photograph for example | 00:17 |
| missMyN900 | yes, that is what I mean | 00:18 |
| missMyN900 | basically without the intervention of regulatory agencies/watchdogs I think that the alternative OSes were doomed to fail | 00:18 |
| missMyN900 | and if governments themselves do not set an example what do you honestly expect from for-profit corporations? | 00:19 |
| Wizzup | xmn: collaboration is not easy if everything uses different apis and widget sets | 00:19 |
| missMyN900 | yes, that is true BB10 used very different widgets from SFOS | 00:19 |
| Wizzup | I think maemo at least at the time was the most compatible with regular linux | 00:19 |
| missMyN900 | both had their own proprietary widgets | 00:19 |
| xmn | thats true Wizzup | 00:20 |
| missMyN900 | it is not just app development but these companies will also need to provide support for each OS | 00:20 |
| xmn | but I remember them all using QT for example. | 00:20 |
| Wizzup | maemo is mostly gtk | 00:20 |
| missMyN900 | they are not very enthusiastic about increasing the support burden | 00:20 |
| xmn | so qt and web apps could have been the common grounds | 00:20 |
| Wizzup | I don't think phosh is qt | 00:20 |
| xmn | no not phosh | 00:20 |
| xmn | only kde | 00:21 |
| xmn | well not only, but for sure | 00:21 |
| xmn | Now days people expect a certain level of useable apps. If you can provide that then you can gain traction. The problem is the facebook, youtube, spoitfy have no incentive to help or even try. | 00:23 |
| missMyN900 | I don't think those are the main issue | 00:23 |
| missMyN900 | there are good third party clients for those | 00:24 |
| xmn | The only real saving grace is webapps, which can some what bridge that gap. and give 3prty OS a slight chance to catch on. | 00:24 |
| missMyN900 | it is really the banking and government etc stuff that is the issue, I think | 00:24 |
| missMyN900 | what I really hate is that they want to use a smartphone as a root of trust | 00:24 |
| xmn | wel the gov stuff can be lobbied by voters at least. Corps ... nope | 00:25 |
| missMyN900 | theoretically ;) | 00:25 |
| xmn | and they can easily shut down api for those 3rd party apps like twitter did. | 00:25 |
| Wizzup | I don't think web apps are particularly foss friendly | 00:26 |
| missMyN900 | I have actually been thinking about that a lot recently | 00:26 |
| missMyN900 | I am ambivalent about web apps | 00:26 |
| missMyN900 | on one hand I don't think all the bloat, untrusted JS (especially with the transient execution vulnerabilities nowadays) and the emerging Chromium monopoly | 00:27 |
| missMyN900 | *like | 00:27 |
| missMyN900 | on the other hand it is the only option for alternative OSes (both desktop and mobile) | 00:27 |
| missMyN900 | and that is not even considering all the tracking | 00:28 |
| missMyN900 | xmn: well, yes, but web apps don't work when they want to use the device as the root of trust, like your example using the IMEI | 00:30 |
| xmn | yeah, for sure not saying web apps are perfect. Just an easy way for company to support alt OS. | 00:34 |
| missMyN900 | true, I am just saying, the least they could do is not force you to have a certain phone for use as a hardware token | 00:36 |
| xmn | Wizzup not sure how we can fix the foss friendliness other than something like a matrix, where it's a bridging platforms. But I see it as the only way to even begin to attract alt curious main stream users. | 00:36 |
| xmn | missMyN900 haha, one could wish. But ppl and corps love control | 00:37 |
| xmn | they will do everything to get more, unless you vote with your wallet or votes. | 00:38 |
| xmn | I'm sure you folks have way more experience then me. But I started with a sharp zuarus 5500, which was qt. And through out all this time, I saw opportunities wasted, because of lack of building a universal apps store, before store were even a thing :). | 00:42 |
| xmn | This is way i think webapp, which there aer many very successful one, can be commercially successful and still foss or open source at least. | 00:42 |
| xmn | are* | 00:42 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | foss doesn't need webapps, it needs apis | 00:56 |
| xmn | yeah, true | 00:59 |
| xmn | this is the next stage I think | 00:59 |
| xmn | to me a web app is almost the same a apis, in the sense of building in technology into them. | 01:00 |
| xmn | I have an idea for a app that I want to build. And it would be web first them maybe build native apps eventually if needed. But would be using lots of apis for many services or existing saas platforms, to make it happen. | 01:02 |
| xmn | But would lean on folks like you MartijnBraam[m] who are making things to know best practices and paths to try. | 01:03 |
| missMyN900 | but yeah even if I sell my PP and end up not having a ML device anymore, I will definitely mod qtwebbrowser if I have the time | 02:34 |
| missMyN900 | that is not going to change because I have some Qt5/QML experience and I want to see alternative search engines being options in that browser | 02:36 |
| missMyN900 | also, qtwebbrowser is cross-platform so it is hardly ML-only | 02:36 |
| missMyN900 | besides I can always run ML in QEMU | 02:36 |
| missMyN900 | I gained some QEMU experience recently (ran Haiku in QEMU briefly) | 02:37 |
| missMyN900 | and I will definitely check in every now and then because I want to see ML succeed, even if it is only for a bunch of people in Europe and West Asia with mapphones ;) :D | 02:38 |
| missMyN900 | chroot interests me as well but I don't know how hard it would be | 02:40 |
| missMyN900 | hmm looks like VoLTE will only be supported with the (expensive) Xperia 10 III and not e.g. the XA2 | 02:55 |
| missMyN900 | also, "Sailfish X is currently available in the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway and Switzerland ("Authorized Countries") and the use of our website and services to purchase Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited." | 02:55 |
| missMyN900 | I have read about people using a VPN but I honestly don't like relying on that and then there is the legality... | 02:55 |
| missMyN900 | I am glad pmOS and ML do not have those restrictions and anyone can use them wherever they like | 02:57 |
| missMyN900 | I wish I had a touch screen laptop; that would be nice for ML | 02:59 |
| missMyN900 | some day, I guess... | 02:59 |
| missMyN900 | Actually those new Mediatek Chromebooks that are getting mainline support could be interesting ML devices | 03:12 |
| missMyN900 | I think they have touch screen as well | 03:12 |
| missMyN900 | at least as dev devices they could be interesting | 03:12 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: tks | 07:09 |
| rafael2k | compilation finishing... running lintian now | 07:09 |
| missMyN900 | rafael2k: good morning. It is evening here ;) | 07:19 |
| rafael2k | morning | 07:23 |
| norayr | morning | 10:08 |
| norayr | everyone: msid package is already in repos. it doesn't work on fremantle anymore, but it works in leste. | 10:08 |
| norayr | Wizzup: why do i get this in builder: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: maemo-optify which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package ? | 10:09 |
| norayr | (i understand optification is not desirable now but anyway, it is not a virtual package, i am able to list binaries from it on my pp) | 10:09 |
| rafael2k | msid is a commodore emulator? | 10:10 |
| sicelo | norayr: you probably have that maemo-optify in debian/control? | 10:18 |
| norayr | yes | 10:38 |
| norayr | sicelo | 10:38 |
| norayr | oh i don't know wait. | 10:38 |
| sicelo | Hehe, actually you know, because I see your last commit adds exactly that :-P | 10:40 |
| norayr | yes i added it, but i added it because when it was only in rules | 10:42 |
| norayr | it didn't work | 10:42 |
| norayr | now i remember | 10:42 |
| norayr | so i should remove it and leave in rules? | 10:42 |
| norayr | let me try now but i remember it failed with not finding maemo-optify | 10:42 |
| norayr | that's why i added it to control. | 10:42 |
| sicelo | You probably need to find why it looks for it | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | norayr: we don't do maemo-optify | 10:46 |
| Wizzup | norayr: please burn that with fire | 10:46 |
| sicelo | norayr: it's debian/rules that asks for it. Remove line 100 | 10:46 |
| Wizzup | yeah but likely also debian/rules and other stuff rely on /opt stuff | 10:47 |
| sicelo | norayr: also i wonder why this package ships an el.db ... I'd say nuke it | 10:48 |
| Wizzup | missMyzN900: agreed @ interesting dev devices | 10:50 |
| Wizzup | MartijnBraam[m]: even so, apis still aren't necessarily open, but yeah, I guess it's something... | 10:54 |
| norayr | sicelo: hmm that's sqlight db, will try to remove it, don't know if it has function. | 11:00 |
| norayr | or actually it is a link to that db. | 11:00 |
| sicelo | It's really not needed | 11:01 |
| rafael2k | btw, if Pine64 sends me a PPP, I'll be happy to ađd support for it in Maemo-Leste | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | norayr: it sounds a lot like the event logger db | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: maybe once we do our new news post we can request that | 11:04 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: lets try, indeed | 11:04 |
| Wizzup | maemo leste could also fund one otherwise | 11:05 |
| rafael2k | imho, Maemo-Leste is the best Linux distro to use with the PP keyboard | 11:05 |
| rafael2k | keyboard and mouse, if needed... having the cursor on the screen make a great difference | 11:05 |
| rafael2k | I'm still negotiating in Pine64 support center for them to send me a new PP keyboard and not just the mainboard of it | 11:06 |
| rafael2k | now MartijnBraam[m] mentioned, checking the pogo-pins connection... they don't seem very stable | 11:07 |
| rafael2k | may be I just buy a nice bt keyboard for my pp, and forget about the pp keyboard | 11:08 |
| Wizzup | I checked, it charges fine | 11:08 |
| Wizzup | but the input doesn't happen | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | I might just buy a new one, but it takes a while to ship | 11:09 |
| rafael2k | me toọ.. | 11:09 |
| rafael2k | I just don't want it to break the very first day of use | 11:10 |
| rafael2k | Now the ov5640 is in place, there is still some missing bits in sun6i-csi in order to have camera support in PP | 12:18 |
| rafael2k | more specifically, implement the V4L2_CAP_IO_MC capability to sun6i-csi driver | 12:28 |
| rafael2k | here we go, compiling the kernel again... I think if I don't get it right, I'll accept help for compiling the kernel not in the device | 13:10 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 13:10 |
| Wizzup | it's truly trivial to not compile on the device | 13:11 |
| Wizzup | what distro do you use | 13:11 |
| Wizzup | well, I guess with the whole mobian setup with all these patches applied from debian it is maybe just a bit less trivial | 13:11 |
| bencoh | debian-style patches and the way those are handled makes building a kernel less trivial yeah | 13:34 |
| bencoh | (not that it's difficult per-se, but it's easy to use the wrong branch, or build it the wrong way) | 13:34 |
| bencoh | (personally I have no idea what should be used nowadays, btw) | 13:35 |
| Wizzup | what about just git :) | 13:37 |
| rafael2k | debian | 14:12 |
| rafael2k | debian bullseye | 14:12 |
| Wizzup | hm? | 14:12 |
| rafael2k | are there arm64 gcc and toolchain already available to be apt-getted? | 14:13 |
| rafael2k | (^ Wizzup: what distro do you use) | 14:14 |
| Wizzup | oh | 14:15 |
| Wizzup | yeah those exist already | 14:15 |
| Wizzup | https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling | 14:17 |
| Wizzup | https://leste.maemo.org/Development#Crossbuilding | 14:18 |
| buZz | :D | 14:19 |
| buZz | rafael2k: i did kernel on droid4 , took ~5 hours for a full build :D | 14:19 |
| buZz | i -think- mostly because SD access is so slow | 14:20 |
| buZz | maybe i could retry from a emmc partition .. hmm | 14:20 |
| Wizzup | guys stop with this :D | 14:20 |
| rafael2k | I'm running the build on emmc now | 14:25 |
| rafael2k | :P | 14:25 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: tks! | 14:25 |
| rafael2k | I'll create a chroot with arm64 env... | 14:26 |
| rafael2k | buZz: just lintian run took more than 1 hour... I run now with --no-lintian | 14:28 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 14:28 |
| buZz | never used lintian in my life | 14:29 |
| buZz | for me, 'compiling kernel' is just make oldconfig; make -j2 ; sudo make modules_install ; cp arch/arm/boot/zImage /boot/boot/newkernel; sudo reboot | 14:30 |
| buZz | :D | 14:30 |
| bencoh | building on device :'( | 14:31 |
| buZz | bencoh: many distros do it by default even | 14:31 |
| rafael2k | debian dpkg-builđpackage run lintian unless you ask it not to | 14:31 |
| buZz | or at least, on the right architecture | 14:31 |
| buZz | rafael2k: dpkg-buildpackage doesnt work for the droid4 kernel .deb package, sadly | 14:31 |
| buZz | as there's no source package that works, it seems | 14:31 |
| bencoh | would it help you move to crosscompiling if I told you that a cute kitten dies for every on-device compiler call? | 14:32 |
| rafael2k | hummm | 14:32 |
| buZz | bencoh: fuck cats | 14:32 |
| buZz | :D | 14:32 |
| bencoh | aww | 14:32 |
| buZz | hehe | 14:32 |
| rafael2k | native compilation has a nice feeling | 14:33 |
| rafael2k | :P | 14:33 |
| buZz | bencoh: in my mind, kittens are most useful as ballistic projectiles | 14:33 |
| buZz | slinging cats at attackers' face | 14:33 |
| bencoh | alright, nevermind, strike that :( | 14:33 |
| buZz | ;) | 14:33 |
| buZz | hehe | 14:33 |
| dsc_ | native compilers generate artisanal machine code | 14:34 |
| bencoh | I should really try and streamline that lxc hybrid builder script more I guess ... | 14:34 |
| buZz | bencoh: i really dont see the issue, its my own time ;) | 14:34 |
| buZz | and its great fun to sit in public transport with a >40C device, building code | 14:34 |
| buZz | hahaha | 14:34 |
| bencoh | I have to admit building on device with people around has a nice appeal to it | 14:35 |
| bencoh | but still :) | 14:35 |
| bencoh | (personally I build on a remote server but connect to it on the go) | 14:35 |
| bencoh | (if and when I need it) | 14:35 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 14:37 |
| buZz | can i make the d4 wifi use less power? | 14:43 |
| buZz | maybe force it to be slower? | 14:43 |
| buZz | seems wifi connected cuts batterylife almost in two , vs GPRS | 14:43 |
| dreamer | buZz: time to move back to gentoy? :) | 14:54 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 14:54 |
| bencoh | what is "gprs"? | 15:02 |
| bencoh | ah, gprs | 15:03 |
| bencoh | nevermind :D | 15:03 |
| bencoh | maybe have a look at the wifi powersaving settings, I don't remember what we do there | 15:03 |
| bencoh | https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/documentation/ieee80211/power-savings | 15:04 |
| buZz | hmm :) | 15:09 |
| Wizzup | buZz: iphbd on the n900 did some stuff there by forcing not sending packets too often | 15:14 |
| Wizzup | there is also power_save with iw, but that should be on already | 15:15 |
| buZz | first time i looked at iphbd :P | 15:16 |
| buZz | IP heartbeat daemon? | 15:17 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:17 |
| buZz | > It provides synchronization services for applications. For example it synchronizes IM status updates that they happen at the same time in order to save battery. | 15:17 |
| buZz | ah, cool stuff! | 15:17 |
| Wizzup | we don't have it atm | 15:18 |
| buZz | ah ok | 15:18 |
| buZz | i did see https://github.com/maemo-leste/iphbd | 15:18 |
| Wizzup | we might also not get it quite like that, there might be more modern ways to do the same (traffic shaping) | 15:18 |
| buZz | ah, hmhm | 15:18 |
| buZz | as soon as 'all IM' is one application, it'll be easier to bundle too , i guess | 15:19 |
| bencoh | not sure you'd be able to do that with tc, but maybe | 15:19 |
| bencoh | (usually it's the other way around) | 15:19 |
| norayr | hello people | 18:34 |
| norayr | checking for MAEMO... yes | 18:34 |
| norayr | checking for OSSO... yes | 18:34 |
| norayr | checking for CONTROLPANEL... yes | 18:34 |
| norayr | what is that pkg-config check for MAEMO? | 18:34 |
| norayr | what's that? | 18:34 |
| norayr | i guess i don't see it in builder, but i'll make sure soon. | 18:34 |
| uvos | duno check in the buildsystem what its checking pkg-config for | 18:42 |
| uvos | maemo isten a package i know of | 18:42 |
| uvos | i gues its maybe just assuming its running on maemo if it finds libhildon or something | 18:42 |
| Wizzup | norayr: check configure.ac for that | 19:01 |
| norayr | i know. i thought maybe you know by heart. | 19:11 |
| Wizzup | nah, configure.ac can use whatever name/alias for any check they want | 19:39 |
| Wizzup | and MAEMO is clearly something someone made up | 19:39 |
| Wizzup | norayr: let me know if you want me to take a look anyhow | 19:50 |
| Wizzup | https://mozilla.github.io/geckoview/ wonder if this can be used on non-android | 19:54 |
| Wizzup | I guess that might just be gecko | 19:54 |
| missMyN900 | buZz: what SD cards are you guys using? I only buy endurance cards (meant for dashcams) for SBCs and phones | 21:11 |
| buZz | ehw, sandisk i think | 21:12 |
| rafael2k | the cheapest | 21:12 |
| buZz | sandisk ultra 16gb | 21:12 |
| missMyN900 | you should never buy random Sandisk | 21:12 |
| missMyN900 | Sandisk estimates that 1/3 of "Sandisk" cards in the world are fake | 21:12 |
| buZz | i didnt buy it for this purpose | 21:12 |
| buZz | i bought a pile of legit 16gbs when they first hit ~4 euro a pop | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | I only buy from their only official web stores (Sandisk and Samsung), although that may not be an option in all countries | 21:13 |
| buZz | for my chromebook i got a samsung evo 128gb microsd for 16 euro :D | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | I mean for media it is fine | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | just not for running on OS on it | 21:13 |
| buZz | its running arch | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | *an | 21:13 |
| buZz | from microsd | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | yeah I would get their Pro Endurance instead | 21:13 |
| missMyN900 | I also have Sandisk High Endurance and Max Endurance | 21:14 |
| buZz | i just try to make backups to spinning rust often of important stuff | 21:14 |
| buZz | and dont really care if they burn up | 21:14 |
| missMyN900 | it can still cost you a lot of time though if corruption causes mysterious issues | 21:15 |
| missMyN900 | and even when buying Endurance cards, I would retire them after a certain amount of time and only use them for media etc then | 21:17 |
| missMyN900 | rafael2k: I would not buy no-name cards, especially if you are compiling large stuff on your phone | 21:18 |
| missMyN900 | if Sandisk is expensive/hard to get in your country; Samsung and Transcend are always options | 21:19 |
| missMyN900 | Kioxia (Toshiba) too | 21:19 |
| rafael2k | missMyN900: especially as I'm compiling large stuff... better use cheap ones, as I'm destroying them | 21:23 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 21:23 |
| missMyN900 | rafael2k: endurance cards are meant for heavy writing | 21:23 |
| missMyN900 | you won't destroy them | 21:24 |
| missMyN900 | they are designed to be used in dashcams that are constantly recording and exposed to high heat | 21:24 |
| missMyN900 | that I why I started buying them years ago | 21:24 |
| missMyN900 | *is | 21:24 |
| missMyN900 | because I read about people having issues with cards dying in Raspberry Pis | 21:24 |
| rafael2k | I don't care tbh... I'm using a 32GB cheap one for more than a year in the PP... still going! | 21:25 |
| rafael2k | if I had a critical system, then yes... of course | 21:25 |
| rafael2k | and when I need something... I use NVME | 21:26 |
| rafael2k | not a SD card | 21:26 |
| rafael2k | :P | 21:26 |
| missMyN900 | in the US a 32 GB Pro Endurance is only $11 currently: https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/memory-cards/pro-endurance-adapter-microsdxc-32gb-mb-mj32ka-am/ | 21:26 |
| rafael2k | not bad | 21:26 |
| rafael2k | but I really don't trust SD | 21:26 |
| rafael2k | if I need something to be trusted, I just one a SSD or nvme | 21:27 |
| rafael2k | (or an HD, in the good ol' times) | 21:27 |
| norayr | i did expect that removing optification for live-wallpaper will break something. and indeed, some of the live wallpapers, and the sherman, for which i started it all, don't load now for some reason. | 21:49 |
| norayr | i am afraid i'll spend days to figure that out, especially given my load these days at work. | 21:49 |
| missMyN900 | rafael2k: by the way, regarding PPP I saw this the other day: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/PINE64_PinePhone_Pro_(pine64-pinephonepro) | 21:50 |
| missMyN900 | it has different WiFi (probably Broadcom) and cameras | 21:51 |
| rafael2k | missMyN900: no problem | 22:02 |
| rafael2k | we can still support PPP, the to the same level as all other distros (or better : ) ) | 22:02 |
| rafael2k | with the advantage of Maemo - providing a true tablet PC experience, much beyond a traditional phone UI, from phone calls to emacs, X, glibc and good ol' debian/devuan base | 22:05 |
| rafael2k | : )) | 22:06 |
| rafael2k | (for the PR team ^) | 22:06 |
| rafael2k | :P | 22:06 |
| rafael2k | at least the modem is the same in PPP, so we can use the same ofono for PP | 22:08 |
| Wizzup | hw | 22:16 |
| rafael2k | at least the modem is the same in PPP, so we can use the same ofono for PP ^ | 22:19 |
| rafael2k | diđ it happened to you that all the people left and came back? ***** has quit (*.net *.split) | 22:20 |
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