| Wizzup | uvos: build failed: https://phoenix.maemo.org/job/droid4-linux-binaries/architecture=armhf,label=armhf/137/console | 00:08 |
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| Wizzup | drivers/tty/n_gsm.c:726:7: error: implicit declaration of function 'gsmld_output'; did you mean 'neigh_output'? [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] | 00:08 |
| uvos__ | Wizzup: ok i ll check later today | 08:11 |
| uvos__ | i probubly forgot to push something | 08:11 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: what about kernel? sorry, did not get it | 08:19 |
| sicelo_ | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GTK5-Might-Drop-X11 | 08:32 |
| rafael2k | I hear X will be dropped for 10 yrs already | 08:36 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 08:36 |
| Daanct12 | well it'll soon be dropped because everything runs on wayland these days now lol | 08:43 |
| Daanct12 | even the nvidia prop driver loves wayland now.. sometimes.. | 08:43 |
| rafael2k | everything runs on X too | 09:03 |
| dreamer | there are still way too many issues with wayland imo | 09:05 |
| rafael2k | yeap... and old school Unixes like Solaris will keep with X for the time being | 09:07 |
| Daanct12 | dreamer: i agree, there's still no good vnc server | 09:11 |
| Daanct12 | i found wayvnc but doesnt support gnome and kde | 09:11 |
| rafael2k | I never really used wayland apart of the very few moments I loaded Ubuntu Touch in the PinePhone | 09:14 |
| dreamer | I use a lot of audio software, and wayland can't deal with things like extended plugin GUI managed by a host | 09:17 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: re: camera/kernel work | 09:23 |
| rafael2k | just writing the same thing does not help | 09:28 |
| rafael2k | :P | 09:28 |
| lel | rafael2k opened a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/pine64-kernel/pull/6 (rebase to 5.15.50 plus fixes) | 09:29 |
| rafael2k | ^ | 09:29 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: it was regarding libcamera working, the gst stuff | 09:29 |
| rafael2k | ah | 09:29 |
| rafael2k | : )) | 09:29 |
| rafael2k | btw, now we have a rock solid 5.15.50 with this latest PR | 09:30 |
| rafael2k | I hope to jump to 5.18 at some point | 09:30 |
| lel | MerlijnWajer closed a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/pine64-kernel/pull/6 (rebase to 5.15.50 plus fixes) | 09:30 |
| Wizzup | do you still get X crashes in lima some times> | 09:30 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: so I pull mobian-5.15? | 09:31 |
| rafael2k | from HEAD | 09:31 |
| Wizzup | fatal: Need to specify how to reconcile divergent branches. | 09:32 |
| rafael2k | latest commit is: | 09:32 |
| Wizzup | I guess they rebase their stuff | 09:32 |
| Wizzup | aa6d1417dfd8b2f3fdc2f597ac4ea0784e759c35 ? | 09:32 |
| rafael2k | d/changelog: release version 5.15.50+sunxi64-2 ( aa6d1417 ) | 09:32 |
| rafael2k | yes! | 09:32 |
| rafael2k | https://gitlab.com/mobian1/devices/sunxi64-linux/ (branch mobian-5.15) | 09:34 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: about X crashes, latest was my daugher playing madbomber | 09:34 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: there are still some small glitches... but waaay better than in the beginning of the year | 09:35 |
| Wizzup | yeah, that is the lima fixes fmg and I did | 09:35 |
| rafael2k | indeed, it is pretty much working, I never looked back to "NoAccel" in xorg.conf | 09:36 |
| rafael2k | : ) | 09:36 |
| rafael2k | much more stable than any other distro tbh | 09:37 |
| Wizzup | I haven't tried others, so idk tbh | 09:40 |
| Wizzup | we need sphone and conversations | 09:40 |
| Wizzup | (to be ready enough) | 09:40 |
| Wizzup | then it'll be grand | 09:40 |
| rafael2k | I just miss the "+" key in sphone | 09:43 |
| rafael2k | converstions with vkb would be nice too | 09:43 |
| Wizzup | yup yup | 09:44 |
| Wizzup | both of that is known for sure :) | 09:44 |
| rafael2k | cool | 09:53 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: I think it mostly passed | 10:56 |
| rafael2k | yay! | 11:16 |
| norayr | well i can believe 'they' would like to drop support for xorg, because that's a redhat policy - to force everyone to use what they want - systemd or wayland. | 12:11 |
| norayr | so if they realize the customers are ok with it they'll do that. | 12:12 |
| norayr | they still cannot get rid of perl, btw, because many customers depend on it. | 12:12 |
| norayr | but to me, i don't care at all if gtk5 drops xorg support. | 12:13 |
| norayr | if it drops, then i'll not use gtk5, that's all. | 12:13 |
| norayr | and gtk will become less portable. it'll be linux only toolkit. | 12:13 |
| norayr | if that's what they want - that is okay. | 12:13 |
| norayr | not even linux only. linux some-distros only. | 12:14 |
| Wizzup | *shrug* I'd be happy with wayland if it didn't involve so much porting work | 12:14 |
| norayr | i don't like when things are imposed like that. so i start doing the opposite. | 12:15 |
| norayr | i have -wayland flag in my gentoo. | 12:15 |
| norayr | which means nothing will ever bring or link to wayland. | 12:16 |
| norayr | if something really requires it, it won't work. | 12:17 |
| norayr | qt would like to stay more portable, many qt customers have software that should run on other unixes than redhat driven linux. | 12:18 |
| norayr | so such a move would only make gtk less competitive. | 12:18 |
| Wizzup | well the gnome folks have a history of doing whatever they want | 12:19 |
| Wizzup | in any case, it's not going to affect us for many, many years | 12:19 |
| norayr | yes, so they might do. but i am personally not worried about it. | 12:19 |
| Daanct12 | gtk3 apps would look weird with maemo ui :) | 12:19 |
| Wizzup | we don't have a gtk3 theme yet | 12:19 |
| norayr | i use evince | 12:19 |
| norayr | because the pdf reader sometimes crashes. | 12:20 |
| norayr | and it's ok. | 12:20 |
| norayr | i mean it is gtk3 | 12:20 |
| norayr | i mean our maemo pdf reader crashes | 12:20 |
| Daanct12 | i'd be concerned if the maemo pdf reader is vulnerable to exploits | 12:20 |
| norayr | someone just found a bug in my code. i am so happy. we just need more eyes and more community. | 12:21 |
| norayr | on the other hand, having no community also makes you less desired target for the attack. | 12:21 |
| Daanct12 | true | 12:22 |
| Wizzup | you can update it to the latest xpdf if you're up for it | 12:22 |
| Daanct12 | we're like a small footprint in the linux mobile community :P | 12:22 |
| norayr | also i think many exploits won't work on my system just because they use features i didn't enable while building it. | 12:24 |
| norayr | i try to not enable any feature in my gentoo system which i don't really need. | 12:24 |
| norayr | so same program on my system usually is linked to much less libraries than on any linux. | 12:25 |
| norayr | or even bsd | 12:25 |
| uvos__ | + works in sphone | 12:30 |
| uvos__ | you longpress 0 | 12:30 |
| uvos__ | btw 00 and + are identical | 12:30 |
| uvos__ | (even in us the only contry that dosent use 00 natviely) | 12:30 |
| uvos__ | because ofono converts 00 to whatever the international dialing code is | 12:31 |
| uvos__ | just like + | 12:31 |
| rafael2k | uvos__: thanks, indeed, holding "0" makes the +! | 12:32 |
| rafael2k | just installed conversations | 12:45 |
| rafael2k | So SMS "official | 12:45 |
| rafael2k | " UI will be conversations, right? | 12:45 |
| bencoh | I guess yeah | 12:46 |
| buZz | atm the 'sphone sms history' is more usuable though | 12:46 |
| bencoh | regarding pdf, I have a feeling we'll leverage mupdf at some point | 12:47 |
| rafael2k | I was using sphone sms indeed, it works fine | 12:49 |
| buZz | conversations thusfar cant send messages | 12:50 |
| Wizzup | the devel branch does | 12:51 |
| Wizzup | buZz: probably @ mupdf | 12:52 |
| Wizzup | errr bencoh | 12:52 |
| uvos__ | sphone sms history will continue to be maintained however | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | since i want to use sphone as a full stack outside of maemo | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | (it has not mameo depends) | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | *no | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | but yes ui on leste will be converations at some point | 13:13 |
| rafael2k | cool | 13:18 |
| buZz | is there a way to see 'missed calls' from sphone? | 14:51 |
| buZz | someone called my d4 this morning, no clue who, didnt recognize the number | 14:51 |
| Wizzup | sphone writes the entries slightly wrong in the rtcom db, but you should be able to find it using its ui | 14:55 |
| buZz | the sphone dailer UI ? its got 'recent' as a button , but only shows actual calls i think? | 14:56 |
| uvos__ | buZz: should show missed | 14:56 |
| buZz | where? | 14:56 |
| uvos__ | in recent | 14:56 |
| uvos__ | its really call history | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | as the window is also called | 14:57 |
| buZz | oh ok, guess it doesnt help that its written with 01-01-1970 | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | should be clearer | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | it should not be | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | (works here) | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | wrt date | 14:57 |
| buZz | its correct here -sometimes- but also very weird, MM-DD-YYYY for instance | 14:57 |
| uvos__ | hm yeah | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | it is us format | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | wierd | 14:59 |
| buZz | also doesnt display name for contacts often, replaces it with <unkown> ( your typo i guess? :) ) | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | maybe soemting with locale | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | it looks up contacts in evolution | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | if you have working address book in evolution it works fine | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | my typo yes | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | you know me :P | 14:59 |
| uvos__ | the evolution adress book also needs to be marked as default btw | 15:00 |
| buZz | well, the -same- numbers are sometimes using the name in the normal maemo contacts | 15:00 |
| uvos__ | or you have to tell sphone what book to use | 15:00 |
| buZz | but most their entries turn into <unkown> | 15:00 |
| uvos__ | hmm | 15:00 |
| uvos__ | works fine here, will have to investigate that | 15:00 |
| uvos__ | i think abook used the evultion addressbook wrong | 15:00 |
| uvos__ | maybe still dose | 15:01 |
| uvos__ | not sure | 15:01 |
| buZz | well, its very inconsistent :) same @ sphone sms history | 15:01 |
| uvos__ | well for one thing | 15:01 |
| uvos__ | btw | 15:01 |
| uvos__ | sms history remembers the look up when the event happend | 15:02 |
| uvos__ | so if you change/add the contact it wont change the names for old events | 15:02 |
| buZz | so maybe theres just a race condition? | 15:02 |
| uvos__ | no | 15:02 |
| uvos__ | its not racy | 15:02 |
| buZz | where -sometimes- the sphone tools can get the correct name | 15:02 |
| buZz | but -sometimes- it does not | 15:02 |
| uvos__ | at least not that i know | 15:02 |
| buZz | well, maybe start using maemo to test? :P | 15:02 |
| uvos__ | i do use maemo | 15:03 |
| uvos__ | maybe log sphone verbosly | 15:03 |
| buZz | ah , thought you were still running your own WM etc | 15:03 |
| uvos__ | i do that too | 15:03 |
| buZz | does sphone have a log? | 15:03 |
| uvos__ | see if it complains about somehing | 15:03 |
| buZz | i didnt see one in /var/log or /var/log/maemo | 15:03 |
| uvos__ | buZz: just runn it with -v -v in console | 15:03 |
| rafael2k | btw, new kernel on the PP, all good | 16:50 |
| rafael2k | Linux devuan-pinephone 5.15.50 #1 SMP Mon Jul 4 07:51:00 UTC 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux | 16:50 |
| rafael2k | tks Wizzup | 16:50 |
| Wizzup | tks rafael2k ;) | 16:51 |
| rafael2k | just found this - opera for arm64: https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2022/06/opera-90-0-4457-0-developer-update/ | 16:56 |
| rafael2k | ooops sorry, my eyes read arm64 but it was amđ64 | 16:57 |
| Wizzup | hdmi works nicely on the d4 on native res btw | 17:02 |
| Wizzup | xrandr --newmode "960x540_60.00" 40.75 960 992 1088 1216 540 543 548 562 -hsync +vsync | 17:02 |
| Wizzup | xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 960x540_60.00 | 17:02 |
| Wizzup | xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 960x540_60.00 | 17:02 |
| Wizzup | this is perfect for screen capture | 17:03 |
| Wizzup | (maybe only in landscape, but hey) | 17:04 |
| bencoh | do you use it in mirror mode? | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 17:09 |
| bencoh | I could drive 1080p displays with the d4 on hildon-less installs, I wonder how would hildon do with that | 17:09 |
| bencoh | (non-mirror setup) | 17:09 |
| rafael2k | cool! need to test HDMI with the PP also! | 17:10 |
| rafael2k | In theory, it should work too | 17:10 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: probably shit with pvr and also h-d not working well with multiple non-mirror outputs | 17:10 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: because of highres? | 17:10 |
| Wizzup | yup | 17:11 |
| bencoh | if so I wonder if we could disable compositing in those cases | 17:11 |
| bencoh | (and/or allow the user to do it) | 17:11 |
| rafael2k | just found my copy of opera 12.15 | 17:33 |
| rafael2k | will try to make a package for ML for historical reasons | 17:33 |
| Wizzup | doubt it'll work, but there is one on the fremantle repo as well afaik | 17:35 |
| rafael2k | (I found the leaked sourcẹ..) | 17:35 |
| Wizzup | kind of a waste of time I think, but ok :p | 17:36 |
| rafael2k | it just scp and start the build | 17:36 |
| rafael2k | just for fun | 17:36 |
| Wizzup | :p | 17:39 |
| rafael2k | it is gtk2 | 17:42 |
| rafael2k | : )) | 17:42 |
| Wizzup | would be interesting | 17:42 |
| Wizzup | not sure it will run in your aarch64 though | 17:42 |
| rafael2k | I'm applying the patches to remove SSE cruft, and it should compile | 17:44 |
| rafael2k | at least in x86_64, it runs... still need to update the certs - ssl is hard | 17:45 |
| Wizzup | aha | 17:46 |
| rafael2k | some patches from here: https://github.com/PrestoXen/openopera-patches | 17:47 |
| bencoh | I'm not certain building/using opera 12.15 is relevant nowadays anyway | 18:37 |
| bencoh | unless you really want every other site to just break in some way | 18:38 |
| buZz | meh, livewallpaper removed all my desktop widgets :( | 19:38 |
| buZz | eh, no actually they are still there but invisible O_o | 19:38 |
| buZz | eh wtf, 'add widget' brings them back one by one, lol | 19:39 |
| Wizzup | does it work on the d4? | 19:41 |
| Wizzup | I think norayr said it didn't work | 19:41 |
| buZz | it kinda works? but seems to render to n900 size | 19:41 |
| buZz | only the default setting seems to work though? all others seem to glitch out | 19:41 |
| rafael2k | ufff, the Bayer converter in libcamera has problems indeed indeed | 20:38 |
| rafael2k | "I half recall that the RAW8 debayering shader implementation in qcam | 20:40 |
| rafael2k | still had issues, it may not have been fully debugged. Patches would be | 20:40 |
| rafael2k | welcome " | 20:40 |
| rafael2k | <- from one of the devs... | 20:40 |
| rafael2k | at least I'm managing to pinpoint the issue | 20:41 |
| rafael2k | :/ | 20:41 |
| rafael2k | that is a good script for anyone wanting to grab a picture in the pinephone without much hassle: https://github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation/pinephone-tools/blob/master/camera-setup | 20:54 |
| rafael2k | added info about taking pictures in the PP wiki | 21:10 |
| rafael2k | https://leste.maemo.org/PinePhone#How_to_take_a_picture | 21:11 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | rafael2k: apt does not find libcamera-tools | 21:21 |
| rafael2k | hum, so I think the package was not created | 21:21 |
| rafael2k | https://github.com/maemo-leste-upstream-forks/libcamera | 21:22 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | I'm on beowulf-devel | 21:22 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | Wizzup: Does libcamera gets build? | 21:22 |
| rafael2k | I'm not sure how to trigger package creation... in the meantime, I put them here: https://www.abradig.org.br/maemo-crazyness/libcamera/ | 21:22 |
| rafael2k | just updated the libcamera packages in that directory | 21:37 |
| Wizzup | humpelstilzchen[: not yet | 21:40 |
| Wizzup | I didn't know it was ready | 21:49 |
| unege[m] | Just read some of the above, do i understand correctly that the plan is to integrate signald with ‘conversations’ using telepathy? | 22:07 |
| unege[m] | Or do I not understand the function of these components yet? | 22:08 |
| unege[m] | And, been looking around, but did you guys unlock the droids yourself? | 22:09 |
| unege[m] | If so, how? | 22:09 |
| sicelo_ | droid 4's are not unlocked. the bootloader just happens to have bugs making it possible to kexec something else | 22:10 |
| unege[m] | I mean the sim-lock | 22:11 |
| unege[m] | Or is that irrelevant | 22:12 |
| Wizzup | unege[m]: correct @ telepathy | 22:12 |
| Wizzup | simm lock is not relevant for d4 outside us | 22:12 |
| Wizzup | d3 and bionic work everywhere, d3 has sim lock potentially | 22:12 |
| Wizzup | but I can help with unlocking | 22:12 |
| unege[m] | Just cannot find any outside us | 22:13 |
| Wizzup | d4 will not work in the us at all | 22:13 |
| unege[m] | So question is, can I buy a sim-locked (verizon) version and import and use it in EU with ML :p | 22:14 |
| sicelo_ | the droid 4's aren't sim locked either :-) | 22:14 |
| sicelo_ | so yes you can buy one | 22:14 |
| unege[m] | Wizzup: K thanks, any expected arrival date? Saw some pictures online, got me excited | 22:15 |
| unege[m] | https://www.ebay.com/itm/304549670095?hash=item46e8932ccf:g:tlYAAOSwdM5ivxPS | 22:16 |
| unege[m] | Says it is ? | 22:16 |
| sicelo_ | yes as far as US is concerned, it's effectively SIM locked. but, 22:12 < Wizzup> simm lock is not relevant for d4 outside us | 22:22 |
| Wizzup | unege[m]: couple weeks | 22:25 |
| uvos | hdmi out at 1080p works fine on d4 | 22:38 |
| uvos | its even not that slow really | 22:38 |
| Wizzup | with hd? | 22:50 |
| norayr | i just afraid that because of that our repos will be shut down by court. | 22:50 |
| norayr | because of opera. | 22:50 |
| unege[m] | <sicelo_> "yes as far as US is concerned..." <- Ok awesome, thanks! | 23:01 |
| unege[m] | <Wizzup> "unege: couple weeks" <- Nice! You guys are seriously devoted and making steps! | 23:02 |
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