libera/#maemo-leste/ Wednesday, 2022-08-10

norayrbuzz, i also love it. i am ready to pay resources for it.00:27
norayrand i do, i have many pidgin windows opened on maemo always00:27
buZz:D with moving video inside?00:28
norayrand pidgin with many many windows eats less resources than one dino with one window00:28
norayrwell in pidgin i see that text is updated, and scrolled00:28
norayri see some changes in 'watch' command outputs in remote ssh sessions00:29
norayror i connect to one or two console chat servers. com, if u heard.00:30
norayri hate it that phosh is so slow, eats so much memory on the same device, and shows screenshots00:30
norayrit's so dumb for me00:30
norayralso they have one line of windows in phosh00:31
norayrso i need to scroll through all to choose the window i need00:31
norayrin maemo it's there after one or two taps00:31
norayri can see it00:31
norayrmaemo is very fash aand lightweight00:32
norayrit is fast on droid00:32
norayri guess on n900, didn't try00:32
norayrand on pinephone it is probably a fastest distro00:32
norayrif we don't count bad video driver00:33
norayrwhich already improved a lot00:33
norayryou know, i was working on very old and slow machines00:33
norayrfor we droid or pinephone aren't weak00:33
norayrbut very powerful00:34
norayrso we can afford it00:34
norayralso it can be implemented more efficdently00:34
norayrafter all on xorg screen we see many windows simultaneously with updates in them00:34
norayrcould be maybe something like thatmto save resources00:35
norayrstill with all its 'hunger' leste is the fastest and most responsive intelfare imo.00:35
norayrand it makes sense. it was written long ago and didn't get much wmore hunger since.00:36
norayri don't know why on such a powerful device like pinephone i should wait for so long fol simple gtk3 or qt programs to start. i even afraid tht maybe that's gtk3 problem.00:37
norayrand what do they do in dino that it draaains so much power?00:38
norayrpidgin with 29 opened windows can be opened whole day for me00:38
norayr2000:38
norayrplus live wallpaper00:38
norayrin wy desktop life i always use windowmaker.00:39
norayri was using 486 with linux, it had troubles playing mp3 files. i was giving high priority to the special fork of mpg123 for 486 in order to be able to liten music.00:40
norayrand since long ago i am in lovu with wmaker. it takes like 2mb in ram. and it is extremely flexible.00:41
norayri don't know what i am talking about00:41
norayrprobably that i think phosh and praasma are toooo fatty00:42
norayrand waemo is so responsive i don't feel it is slow on very old and 'weak' devices.00:42
norayrbut those aren't weak.00:43
norayrfor someone who started vith com'uher with 32kb of ram00:43
norayrit is a miracle.00:43
norayrand i think gnome3 and kde plasma obviously do something wrong if they are so slow on pinephone.00:44
norayrand dino, that it drains the battery ten times faster than pidgin with tens of opened windows.00:46
buZzlol, did 'a long voicecall' on leste, now my xorg seems locked, many programs open14:31
buZzi guess the proximity sensor doesnt work or sphone dailer doesnt use it14:32
buZzah, does respond to long-power-button-holding14:32
sicelo:-)14:33
WizzupbuZz: yes, I don't think sphone deals with the proximity sensor yet14:33
buZz$soon14:35
buZzbut, quality was topnotch14:35
buZz(after i put the 'voice' volume slider a bit higher, and enabled noise cancellation)14:35
WizzupbuZz: that should be enabled by default14:36
buZzit isnt on mine14:37
uvosmce should deal with the proximity sensor (if sphone puts it in the right mode)14:51
uvosits not working?14:51
Wizzupnot for me afaik14:51
uvos(it cant work for me because its in lock-tklock)14:51
WizzupI always lock the phone when calling14:51
uvosok ill have to check whos at fault there14:51
uvosi assume every one else is running tklock14:52
Wizzupyes14:52
SuperMarioSFhi16:11
SuperMarioSFI'm back16:11
Wizzuphi, I'mm not avail for debugging atm :)16:24
SuperMarioSFno problem16:32
SuperMarioSFmy plan today is flashing another Droid 416:32
SuperMarioSFhowever this time a little different16:32
SuperMarioSFthis droid 4 have already installed LineageOS 14.1, kernel version 3.0.8, with kexecboot already installed.16:33
SuperMarioSFso I don't know what to do next. Should I just flash my SD card and just go with it?16:33
uvosit came with kexecboot installed?16:35
uvosyes you can just flash a sdcard16:35
SuperMarioSFso the file flashed on SD card already have necessary information to let an existing kexecboot installation just found the distro on the card?16:38
SuperMarioSFcurrently the kexecboot menu only show the android option and the settings menu.16:38
uvosyes16:38
SuperMarioSFOK16:38
SuperMarioSFThen I just flash a new card then.16:38
uvoskexecboot checks for /boot/boot.cfg on every partition16:38
uvosand then aggregates all boot entries16:38
SuperMarioSFwhat is the maximum capacity allowed on d4's controller? 32G?16:39
uvosthere is none16:39
uvosor there is, but it huge16:39
uvos>2tb16:39
SuperMarioSFoh, then I can just toss a 128G card in it just fine.16:40
SuperMarioSFI got some really crappy card to test with. My extra durance card will arrive the day after.16:42
SuperMarioSFjust test for fun at the moment16:42
SuperMarioSFoh, crappy card indeed. only 5MB/s write speed.16:56
SuperMarioSFthe kexecboot installed there is v0.6, seems working just fine.17:03
uvosthe kexecboot version is not really related to our kexecboot relase17:08
uvosits just the version of the ui17:08
uvosplease do upgrade it if its old, there was a fix that prevents some crashes in the os later (after boot)17:09
SuperMarioSFthe first boot seems okay17:20
SuperMarioSFthe only problem is d-pad control are sideways17:20
uvos__wdym dpad? the arrow keys?17:30
uvos__also wdym sideways?17:30
uvos__in what app17:30
sicelodpad nearly always means arrow keys, yes17:33
SuperMarioSFarrow keys in kexecboot v0.617:36
SuperMarioSFthe "up" is actually bind on left key17:36
SuperMarioSFthat is not the case for kexecboot v0.817:36
SuperMarioSFv0.8 works correctly17:37
SuperMarioSFbut that isn't a big deal, since it boots kernel no problem17:37
SuperMarioSFI'm testing my other exactly the same crappy 128GB SD card, I doubt this card are fake since it was unbelievably cheaply made, and that was an addon for literally US$2 for some other thing that I bought.17:41
uvos__oh that17:55
uvos__that version of kexecboot is really old and must be replaced17:56
uvos__it will cause random failures in the booted kernel+17:56
uvos__its not fine17:56
SuperMarioSFok18:01
SuperMarioSFI guess I see some problems there.18:01
SuperMarioSFsuch as screen tearing18:01
SuperMarioSFrebooting and reflashing18:02
SuperMarioSFwait I must mixed something18:13
SuperMarioSFI just found out my working one running v0.6 of kexecboot18:13
SuperMarioSFthere is no v0.8.4 after all...18:13
SuperMarioSFweird, where I see that version before...18:14
siceloWhat's the driver for d4 modem? I  want to unload and load it again18:16
siceloRight now ofono isn't working, but that seems to be because modem itself is awol18:16
siceloI do have ttyUSB[3,4] though .. not sure if that's the one, but i doubt18:17
uvossicelo: there is not modem driver as sutch18:25
uvosits various18:25
uvosphy_mapphone_mdm6600 dose the usb if, snd_soc_motmdm the modem->cpu dai, gnss_motmdm gps18:26
uvosetc18:26
uvosalso the "drivers" dont do a whole lot18:26
uvosphy_mapphone_mdm6600 just exposes the natvie interfaces of the modem to userspace18:26
uvosso im not sure reloading those would help if the modem itself is in a funny state18:27
SuperMarioSFjust fixed my stiff slide by applying some WD-4019:11
SuperMarioSFbe warned not put too much, or WD-40 will leak into screen and that isn;t very easy for cleanup...19:12
SuperMarioSFI wonder if OMAP3410 chipset can be supported by maemo-leste19:33
SuperMarioSFMotorola Charm and Motorola Flipout19:35
SuperMarioSFthose device can be interesting19:35
siceloi guess it's time for a reboot then. sigh19:41
uvos__SuperMarioSF: Wizzup was interested in makeing sholes based devices work19:41
uvos__SuperMarioSF: but that would come in the form of xt610 or maybe a855 at first19:42
uvos__also imo its a waste of time19:42
siceloSuperMarioSF: looks like 3410 isn't much different from N900's 3430, so should be doable19:42
sicelohah! no SGX at all in it19:43
SuperMarioSFthere is no info about dsp in 3410 tho...19:43
sicelowell ... dsp is not used on N900 either19:44
uvos__yeah nvm looks like those are not sholes, there even older platform wise19:44
uvos__? the dsp is used for video decoding no?19:44
uvos__imo its even more of a waste of time to do something <sholes19:45
siceloSuperMarioSF: if you have bootloader issue handled, i'm sure those devices can be well supported in pmOS at least19:45
sicelodamn ... those devices have very interesting design. me likey19:46
siceloSuperMarioSF: do you have these devices, or just asking out of interest?19:51
SuperMarioSFjust out of interest. however if needed, I can just buy one very cheap.20:12
SuperMarioSFwell not that cheap.20:14
SuperMarioSFaverage 200~300CNY20:14
SuperMarioSFno one seems old stock, all used. some even doesn't have battery.20:14
SuperMarioSFthey were selling as "Game Console Emulation Phone" because the QWERTY keyboard.20:15
siceloI guess buying one would indeed be a waste as uvos says. But working on one you already own is a different matter20:20
SuperMarioSFI don't have one, but I would like to have something like that in my collection.20:44
SuperMarioSFso far Droid 4 served me well.20:44
SuperMarioSFit is very likely to became a daily driver for me.20:44
Danct12sorry for a offtopic question, but i'm currently adapting wl1251-cal to postmarketOS and for some reason fallback mechanism fails to work on boot20:46
Danct12here's the udev debug log: https://termbin.com/6gbg20:48
siceloit's not offtopic20:48
sicelohttps://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/11520:49
sicelohttps://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/10220:49
sicelothose were Wizzup's and my experiences back then. i doubt anyone's looked into it much since then20:49
SuperMarioSFso I have a question then...20:51
SuperMarioSFbattery gauge says need calibration20:51
SuperMarioSFhow can I do that manually?20:51
SuperMarioSFI didn't see anything I can just run in package droid4-battery-calibration20:52
sicelocharge it to full, allow it to drain to empty ... you can let this happen naturally. at some point towards completely empty, it will auto-calibrate20:52
siceloymmv20:53
SuperMarioSFok20:53
SuperMarioSFwhat if power just suddently down while battery percentage isn't nearly as low? Is that will still works?20:54
siceloi think this is also in wiki :-)20:54
Wizzupnot sure, our doc isn't that great, at least structure wise20:54
siceloSuperMarioSF: hence the 'ymmv' ... if you're luckly, it will still be considered. otherwise, you need to repeat the steps20:54
Wizzupsicelo: Danct12: can look in an hr or two20:55
SuperMarioSFjust looked up on wiki, no such thing were mentioned anywhere...20:56
SuperMarioSFbut I remember I may read something about battery calibration script in news, it doesn't talked about how it works either.20:57
siceloah. it's a bit hacky, but works some. the problem is that under linux/Leste, cpcap (currently?) doesn't store the calibration itself, nor does the battery. the script attempts to do this using a file21:01
SuperMarioSFok21:02
SuperMarioSFso I will try that after I replaced my battery.21:02
buZzyou dont need a script to calibrate the battery21:28
buZzjust : 1) deplete battery without shutting down leste, so you get the 'recharge battery' popup with 'pooodoonk' sound , 2) charge it -once- fully to 100% , 3) repeat 1) , then redo 2) , it will update the measurement21:30
buZzevery time you do this , it will update the known/measured mAh from the battery you have21:30
buZz'charge fully to 100%' is till the green led goes -off- and message 'disconnect charger' appears , plus battery says 'fully charged' in statusmenu etc21:31
sicelowell you do, https://github.com/maemo-leste/droid4-battery-calibration21:31
siceloit's just that you don't need to manually use it :-)21:31
sicelootherwise your precious calibration data vanishes on a reboot21:32
buZzah yeah, indeed21:34
sicelommm, i actually have a PR against that package. i wonder why it wasn't merged :-/21:46
Wizzupmaybe it was missed21:47

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