| udder | dmesg says that ap do not ack (or something like this) | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| udder | currently i succesfully boot into leste and everything work again | 00:04 |
| Wizzup | if u-boot does not see the sd card, does removing the battery solve it? (just to unpower it) | 00:04 |
| udder | no | 00:05 |
| Wizzup | hmm | 00:06 |
| udder | it work again only after connect charger | 00:06 |
| rafael2k | concerning freemangordon pinephone kernel complain (https://github.com/maemo-leste/pine64-kernel/issues/7), could anyone also confirm this behavior? | 10:29 |
| rafael2k | I'll only to able to get my pp next week | 10:29 |
| rafael2k | if it is true, I would jump to kernel 6.0... something like this https://github.com/megous/linux/tree/pp-6.0 | 10:30 |
| rafael2k | might even try vanilla upstream to see how much patching we still need | 10:30 |
| Wizzup | we need maemo patches | 10:31 |
| rafael2k | not considering maemo patches | 10:31 |
| rafael2k | they are minimal | 10:31 |
| rafael2k | and ok to be there | 10:31 |
| rafael2k | Mobian patchset was still huge in 5.15 | 10:32 |
| rafael2k | but afaics, patchset for 6.0 at least in Megi's fork is muuuuch smaller | 10:33 |
| Wizzup | yes | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | but it might lack defconfig changes that | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | we need | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: also for me usbnet doesn't work on the PP | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | so I was thinking that might have been a config change too | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | (either that or the sysfs path changed) | 10:36 |
| rafael2k | right | 10:41 |
| rafael2k | we are using Mobian kernel config, apart of very small changes not to have initrd | 10:41 |
| Wizzup | well it's a problem for debugging for sure | 10:43 |
| Wizzup | I think I lost wifi on one of the kernels and had no easy way in other than serial | 10:43 |
| Wizzup | so maybe we can re-add the usbnet, since we also use it for mass storage etc | 10:43 |
| rafael2k | it is not there? are you sure? | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | I don't get usb net when I plug it in | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | maybe it changed somehow to make this not valid https://github.com/maemo-leste/ke-recv/blob/master/src/udev-helper.c#L101 | 10:45 |
| rafael2k | can you check if the module is loaded? | 10:45 |
| Wizzup | not atm, because I had no easy access | 10:45 |
| rafael2k | some as me here | 10:45 |
| rafael2k | *same | 10:45 |
| rafael2k | Manjaro applies some patches to Megi's fork: https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/packages/core/linux-pinephone/-/tree/6.0-megi | 10:50 |
| rafael2k | removing some garbage Megi likes to add (like a char devfile "modem-power" out of his head) | 10:51 |
| rafael2k | this might be a good path to follow too | 10:51 |
| rafael2k | if anyone finds where Mobian kernel is... that would be good to know too | 10:51 |
| rafael2k | they removed from gitlab and now I dunno where it is anymmore | 10:52 |
| rafael2k | but certainly we need to make sure maemo features we want are enabled in .config | 10:52 |
| rafael2k | concerning the usb net, if modprobing the module works, we can just change from M to Y the module, that one is the easiest to solve I think | 10:55 |
| Wizzup | that is not it | 10:55 |
| Wizzup | we have userspace the uses configfs to make composite gadgets | 10:56 |
| rafael2k | hum | 10:56 |
| Wizzup | (which is the right way to do it), but that that requires most things to be a module and some of the hardcoded ones are not even enabled | 10:56 |
| rafael2k | if not enabled, that is easy too | 10:57 |
| rafael2k | N -> M | 10:57 |
| Wizzup | I understand, but we need to enable the right things | 10:57 |
| rafael2k | this kernel has most of the drivers as modules already | 10:58 |
| rafael2k | anyway | 10:58 |
| rafael2k | all in all, the specifics stuff needed by Maemo are minor, and could be documented in order we don't o try this again | 10:59 |
| rafael2k | *we don't go thought this again | 11:00 |
| freemangordon | rafael2k: could be an issue on braveheart only (iowait %) | 11:08 |
| freemangordon | work mtg ATM, ttyl | 11:08 |
| rafael2k | hey! | 11:16 |
| rafael2k | freemangordon: as soon as I power my PP I will run the tests you did | 11:16 |
| rafael2k | https://blog.brixit.nl/why-i-left-pine64/ | 11:16 |
| rafael2k | eheheheheh | 11:16 |
| rafael2k | some people got very upset with pine64, understandably | 11:17 |
| sicelo | distro wars :p | 11:18 |
| rafael2k | I had my share of anger with the pp keyboard. I bought a bt keyboard now, will test is as soon as I turn it on again | 11:18 |
| rafael2k | indeed | 11:18 |
| rafael2k | he was the guy which wrote the only camera app for the PP | 11:20 |
| rafael2k | kind of important for the ecosystem... | 11:20 |
| rafael2k | and after his quit, no more commits to the app (Megapixels), understandably | 11:21 |
| freemangordon | tmlind: hmm, seems my ofono patches didn't make it to the ML, any idea? | 11:37 |
| Wizzup | it might be a moderated list | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | I doubt, by looking at https://www.mail-archive.com/ofono@ofono.org/maillist.html | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | "wedding planners in kolkata" eh? :D | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | heh | 11:45 |
| Daanct12 | lol | 11:48 |
| Daanct12 | yeah, this ml is totally fucked up | 11:49 |
| norayr | i connected droid4 to bionic lapdock and it boots. | 17:58 |
| Wizzup | cool | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | hmm, cannot join #ofono@oftc | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | how nice | 18:05 |
| Wizzup | how so? | 18:05 |
| Wizzup | 18:05 [OFTC] -!- #ofono You must connect via SSL to join this channel (+S) | 18:05 |
| Wizzup | ? | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | lemme try | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | ssl handshake failed :) | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | anyway, ttyl | 18:07 |
| uvos | all lapdocks are intercompatabil | 18:18 |
| uvos | except the one for atrix | 18:19 |
| uvos | hildon however is buggy and dosen survie you plugging in a lapdock | 18:19 |
| uvos | (it breaks whenever the display changes resolution for any reason) | 18:19 |
| norayr | heh, so i saw how it boots, but it also takes charge from the lapdock. and i noticed droid4 misbehaves when it is being charged. | 18:48 |
| norayr | so it never opened hildon probably | 18:48 |
| norayr | but i gan see tho mouse pointer on droid's screen | 18:48 |
| norayr | i often need to take the droid out of the wire in order to use it | 18:48 |
| norayr | otherwise i cannot unlock it. | 18:48 |
| norayr | so now it is being charged by the lapdoock thus it is unusable. | 18:48 |
| norayr | i suspect the problem is also that it is being charged | 18:51 |
| norayr | can i edit some xinitrc and wmaker? | 18:51 |
| norayr | and use wmaker | 18:51 |
| norayr | what happens if i boot to android? i get old ubuntu container? | 18:51 |
| norayr | please please tell me how to run wmaker, where to write it? or how to kill xorg so i could start it by hand? | 18:52 |
| uvos | if you boot android 2.3 you get old ubuntu (based) linux | 18:56 |
| uvos | if you boot android 4+ you get the tablet interface | 18:56 |
| uvos | unfortionatly letste absolutly breaks linux usual session managment with fairly terrible hackery | 18:57 |
| uvos | you have to disable the leste stuff (the xsession scripts, and some other stuff (af services dbus and gconf hackery)) | 18:57 |
| uvos | then you can run a wm via xsession or a xdg-session via some session manager (tinydm works well) | 18:58 |
| norayr | I have android 4 on droid 4. | 18:59 |
| uvos | you also cant have another wm running in a different vt, bacuse the omap ddx is broken and dies when you vt switch | 18:59 |
| uvos | honsetly i would avoid leste alltogether if running the lapdock | 18:59 |
| uvos | and just run plain debian | 18:59 |
| norayr | Oh | 19:00 |
| uvos | with a wayland vm of your choice | 19:00 |
| norayr | how can i flash plain debian to sdcard? | 19:00 |
| uvos | wm/display server | 19:00 |
| uvos | use debootstrap to create a debian rootfs | 19:00 |
| uvos | flash that | 19:00 |
| norayr | no no my wm of cdoice is wmaker and it works with xorg | 19:00 |
| uvos | add leste kernel | 19:00 |
| norayr | oh | 19:01 |
| uvos | but this is really out of scope for this chat | 19:01 |
| uvos | you could also start with leste | 19:01 |
| norayr | wdt if i kill xorg | 19:01 |
| uvos | and end up with devuan | 19:01 |
| norayr | and use user's xinitrc to shart my desired wm? | 19:01 |
| uvos | works fine with leste packages for xorg and the ddx (which you can install fine on debain) | 19:01 |
| uvos | no | 19:02 |
| uvos | you have to uninstall all of the leste stuff | 19:02 |
| uvos | except kernel xorg the ddx | 19:02 |
| uvos | some other stuff | 19:02 |
| uvos | ie remove hildon, and particually dsme and af-services | 19:02 |
| norayr | okay i see, i can uninstall leste stuff on one sdcard and have leste with hildon on other. | 19:02 |
| uvos | sure | 19:03 |
| uvos | or just a different partition | 19:03 |
| uvos | hopefully hildon will someday sanely support session management | 19:03 |
| norayr | great thanks for the tips | 19:03 |
| Guest224 | uvos: What makes Lapdock for Altrix different? (I have that with Rasperry Pi2(!), it wasn't easy get work, because it gives wrong EDID) | 19:21 |
| Guest224 | (and ofcourse Pi2 needed quite special cables, but not needed cable with button like Lapdock 500 pro) | 19:45 |
| Guest224 | btw..if somebody need this information Lapdock 500 Pro only resolution is 1366x768/60hz..I haven't tested it yet with Leste. Is Lapdocks supported at all in Leste? | 19:56 |
| Wizzup | no, we never had one | 19:56 |
| Guest224 | somebody sell in ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/363915670324 | 20:00 |
| Wizzup | I could maybe pick one up in October | 20:01 |
| Guest224 | basically Lapdocks are HDMI-displays with support only one resolution and usb-hub with usb-devices (ports) | 20:07 |
| Guest224 | 500 Pro might need something to get started (I have cable with pushbutton with Pi2), easiest to find more information is read stories of Raspberry users. | 20:10 |
| Wizzup | yeah I do know htem | 20:14 |
| Wizzup | we just haven't made it a priority/focus atm | 20:14 |
| Guest224 | yes, after almost everything else works. | 20:15 |
| Guest224 | even PinePhone Docking Bar would be before that. | 20:16 |
| Guest224 | But I have cable from PinePhone Docking Bar to Motorola Lapdock 500 Pro ready to waiting hard core Leste tests :D | 20:23 |
| Guest224 | -> I continue lurking thru irclog. | 21:17 |
| uvos__ | Guest224: atrix lapdock is physically incompatabil | 22:05 |
| uvos__ | all the other lapdocks have just a loose cradle and a cable | 22:06 |
| uvos__ | the atrix lapdock has a mold that fits just around the atrix and fixed connectors (that are also the wrong way around for every other motoroala phone that was compatbil with lapdocks, mapphone or otherwise) | 22:06 |
| uvos__ | other than that if you mess with the connectors to make it fit it should work | 22:07 |
| uvos__ | the other "standard" lapdock is also generally nicer | 22:07 |
| uvos__ | keyboard/toucpad | 22:07 |
| uvos__ | than the atrix one | 22:07 |
| Guest224 | uvos: ahh..that's true altrix has connector order swaped. | 22:11 |
| Guest224 | but anyway maybe altrix lapdock is usefull with special cables for droid 4 someday...month..year..decade... | 22:24 |
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