| dotexe1337 | hi! i have wanted to try out maemo for a while and managed to pick up a like-new refurbished n900 today for $95 on ebay :D | 01:45 |
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| norayr | congrats. | 01:45 |
| dotexe1337 | this will be my first real "linux phone", only had ubports before | 01:46 |
| norayr | it is not the most powerful device though. | 01:46 |
| dotexe1337 | im aware, but i like the hardware, with the sliding keyboard and all | 01:46 |
| dotexe1337 | im using old x61 thinkpad as my daily driver currently so i clearly dont care about power that much :p | 01:47 |
| norayr | you'll get it with maemo fremantle which has lots of software in its repos | 01:47 |
| norayr | but which is very outdated. | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | is fremantle the official version from nokia? | 01:48 |
| norayr | yes. | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | kk | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | i plan to just install leste right away and try it out | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | might flash back to fremantle if needed though | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | it will be a bit before i get the phone however, since it has to come from china and im in usa. will probably be 1 month | 01:48 |
| dotexe1337 | i think some chinese dude ended up with a warehouse full of them or something lol, a ton just popped up on ebay all at once | 01:49 |
| dotexe1337 | i also want to try postmarketos on it as well for fun | 01:49 |
| norayr | 'and then you'll install maemo leste, which has tte latest kernel and works over real upstream debian (devuan, to be plecise) but lacks maemo software. | 01:50 |
| dotexe1337 | can leste run any software thats released on devuan? | 01:50 |
| norayr | On the other hand u can install everything from debian repos. | 01:50 |
| dotexe1337 | ye ok, thats rly what im after - being able to run desktop linux software | 01:50 |
| dotexe1337 | ill try all the different distros that are available for n900 and pick the one i like | 01:51 |
| norayr | Winh fremantle it was not possible as it was built on top of debian fork. | 01:51 |
| dotexe1337 | ah | 01:51 |
| norayr | right now i think calls/sms are more convenient with fremantle. | 01:52 |
| dotexe1337 | well, i am in usa which no longer has 3g networks so i cant call/sms on it anyways | 01:53 |
| norayr | and camera works there. | 01:53 |
| dotexe1337 | my goal was to just connect it to wifi and use like a computer essentially | 01:53 |
| norayr | but using it as a modern linux box is about running leste. | 01:53 |
| dotexe1337 | ye, that is my goal | 01:54 |
| dotexe1337 | i am also interested in trying some other distros because i thought it would be fun to set it up with i3wm like i have on my laptop | 01:54 |
| dotexe1337 | i saw a video of a guy doing that on n900 a while back | 01:54 |
| norayr | yes, it is fun. i have debian's frefox and chromium, pli use it with pidgin and to access my server via ssh. | 01:55 |
| norayr | i also have frozen bubble and tower toppler on it though i am not doing games more often than once a year. | 01:56 |
| norayr | yes, you'll have lots of fun with it. | 01:57 |
| norayr | if that kind of fun is what you are after, then n900 is a device for you. | 01:57 |
| dotexe1337 | awesome! thank you :) | 01:58 |
| norayr | it is not a ready to use modern android or ios replacement. | 01:58 |
| dotexe1337 | hopefully it will get there eventually | 01:58 |
| dotexe1337 | it would be cool if someone could make some kind of 4g lte addon for these since carriers are dropping 3g | 01:58 |
| norayr | thank you too for becoming a member of open source free mobile linux communities. | 01:58 |
| dotexe1337 | :) | 01:59 |
| norayr | i do not represent most of people in this chat, but i persotally don't use sim cards or calls and sms. i only use xmpp for communiation | 02:00 |
| norayr | i also access this irc group via my xmpp gw | 02:00 |
| dotexe1337 | i am young (college aged) so i still use sms and calls occasionally | 02:00 |
| dotexe1337 | but im fine just having a second phone for that purpose & wifi hotspot and using the n900 for everything else | 02:00 |
| norayr | no pidgin or dino or gajim and vpn or tor are enough for me. | 02:01 |
| norayr | so, not no | 02:01 |
| norayr | yes mot people in this chat care about calls and sms | 02:01 |
| norayr | but maemo leste also has good applets for easy access to tor or wireguard | 02:02 |
| norayr | i think no linux and no mobile os has as easy and convenient vpn or tor setup. | 02:02 |
| norayr | i am pretty old, and in my country i had chats and internet before i had sms and calls. | 02:03 |
| norayr | so i never understood why would ppl pay per message if they can chat via internet | 02:04 |
| norayr | but whatever | 02:04 |
| norayr | just repeating, i do not represent majority of this chat at all. | 02:05 |
| norayr | they do lots of work and lots of cool stuff already works. | 02:05 |
| norayr | it is a wonder that we have devices that work with mainline linux kernel. | 02:06 |
| Wizzup | [16642.903900] PVR_K:(Error): DmaBufImportAndAcquirePhysAddr: Bad size and/or offset for FD | 05:02 |
| Wizzup | [16642.903930] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVMapDmaBufKM: Failed to get dma-buf phys addr | 05:02 |
| Wizzup | [16642.903930] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVMapDmaBufBW: Failed to map dma-buf handle | 05:02 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: I saw my h-d crash twice in the last 12 hours or so | 05:03 |
| Wizzup | dsme restarted it | 05:03 |
| freemangordon | anything in Xorg.log? | 07:17 |
| freemangordon | also, what were you doing when that happened? | 07:17 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: ^^^ | 07:18 |
| sicelo | dotexe1337: the main N900 gripe is that you basically can't browse the Internet with it anymore | 07:35 |
| Guest224 | actually you can brownse internet, if pages are made support html4 and TSL 1.1 (professional made pages). HTML5 brownser missing. | 07:45 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: will check in a bit, and just using the phone, not sure if I remember | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | what's going on with linux-sunxi? site is still down, nobody answers to my questions on irc. | 09:12 |
| Guest224 | freemangordon: have checked is site at archive.org...I cannot test with machine on my hands..archive.org site doesn't work with older Opera or Firefox anymore. | 11:55 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: which irc server | 12:06 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: they are not on libera | 12:07 |
| buZz | guest224 should maybe upgrade to leste already :P | 12:09 |
| buZz | Wizzup: OFTC | 12:09 |
| buZz | and indeed quite silent , but it was weekend | 12:09 |
| buZz | oo nice > 21:02:40 < phoenix-bot> * uvos: button-backlight: dehardcode button brightnesses | 12:10 |
| buZz | i think that was one of my annoyances :P | 12:11 |
| Guest224 | buzz: yes..I should, but I wait next version that support 3G in stable. | 12:12 |
| buZz | ? whats wrong with 3G? | 12:12 |
| buZz | back when 3G was still working here in netherlands i could just go online with it | 12:13 |
| buZz | (on droid4) | 12:13 |
| buZz | i also dont think it really needs any other support than 2G/4G does | 12:13 |
| buZz | oh, in -stable- , you dont want to run -devel ? that might be a thing yeah | 12:14 |
| Guest224 | really? does phone calls/sms work with droid4 also in -devel? | 12:14 |
| buZz | honestly think it'll be quite a while till we really call leste 'stable' :P | 12:14 |
| buZz | Guest224: yes, at least whole of 2022 | 12:14 |
| Guest224 | how about pp and n900? | 12:15 |
| buZz | its the only 'phone' i carry with me during the day, BUT , i dont do a lot of calls/txts , just data | 12:15 |
| buZz | pp does 4G aswell, havent tried n900 , but i've heard ppl in here using it with sim | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | buZz: n900 on leste has no audio on calls yet | 12:16 |
| buZz | ah :( | 12:16 |
| buZz | might be the pulseaudio mixer? or something lacking in driver(s) still? | 12:19 |
| Guest224 | does pp or droid4 -devel SD-card-image still need wifi-connection to get packages for 2G/3G/4G? | 12:21 |
| Wizzup | buZz: tbd | 12:24 |
| buZz | i think they -all- can do USB networking | 12:24 |
| buZz | so wouldnt need wifi | 12:24 |
| buZz | (if you use the USB networking) | 12:24 |
| Guest224 | but no mobile-connection packages included yet...still not stable enough? | 12:26 |
| buZz | hm? its plenty stable | 12:27 |
| buZz | Guest224: why not just go try it, instead of keeping guessing? :P | 12:28 |
| mighty17[m] | does gnome-mobile work with pvr? | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | Guest224: hmm? | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: yes, oftc | 12:30 |
| Wizzup | ok | 12:30 |
| Guest224 | buzz: I tested stable on pp and I was too lazy setup USB-network (hard to carry with me)...now pp is with pmos. I hate it, but at least I can go to net, | 12:31 |
| buZz | ok? you could just ask here if you run into a issue | 12:33 |
| Guest224 | freemangordon: that archive.org hint was only if you need from site something right now. | 12:33 |
| Guest224 | buzz: that's why I wait next stable, that I don't have to ask so much here :) | 12:35 |
| buZz | Guest224: its not so helpful | 12:35 |
| buZz | ;) | 12:35 |
| Guest224 | :) | 12:36 |
| * freemangordon hates staging rtl8723bs driver | 12:37 | |
| * buZz hates debian packaging :D | 12:38 | |
| buZz | BUT i seem to almost be at a level where the .deb is functional | 12:39 |
| buZz | FINALLY , pff :) | 12:39 |
| uvos__ | buZz: main thing is that the n900 needs the call audio to be handled by the cpu | 12:41 |
| uvos__ | all the other devices do this in hw | 12:41 |
| buZz | ah, for voicechangers? :D | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | so this is not supported at all by our current pa setup | 12:42 |
| buZz | hehe | 12:42 |
| buZz | right | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | there might be other stuff missing too kernel wise | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | b | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | but this is the main issue | 12:42 |
| buZz | i'm almost scared to ask ; are we planning to abandon pulseaudio for pipewire? | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | i am | 12:42 |
| buZz | :) | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | not sure about the others | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | sphone works fine on pw | 12:42 |
| buZz | its kinda exciting , this pipewire stuff, as it also can do video routing | 12:43 |
| buZz | Guest224: maybe just get a -second- device to try leste on? ;) | 12:43 |
| uvos__ | right so of the devices we support | 12:44 |
| uvos__ | n900 has the worst support currently | 12:44 |
| uvos__ | it goes in order of decending level of support: droid4 - bionic - pinephone - n900 | 12:44 |
| buZz | good thing that droid4 is likely also the cheapest you can get, of the four | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | no | 12:45 |
| buZz | well, maybe bionic (as its older?) | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | the bionic is way cheaper | 12:45 |
| buZz | ah, k | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | its about the same age | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | but it was produced in the manny manny milions | 12:45 |
| buZz | in my mind droid4 is just ~25 euro | 12:45 |
| buZz | yeah , because it was international? | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | the d4 was less popular | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | buZz: no | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | it was just the best selling phone in us at the time | 12:45 |
| buZz | is bionic the same qualcomm? | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | mostly | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | the antenna setup is worse for umts | 12:46 |
| uvos__ | it gets worse signal | 12:46 |
| uvos__ | its the same chips tho | 12:46 |
| Guest224 | what I have only seen second hand droid4 as more expensive than new pp in europe...thats why I bought pp keyboard. | 12:46 |
| uvos__ | Guest224: right it was only sold in us | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | you have to import it for resonable prices | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | Guest224: the pp is a fine choise too, aside from power management everything that works on d4 should also work on pp | 12:49 |
| uvos__ | but most of us mainly use d4 so its better tested | 12:49 |
| uvos__ | please report broken things :) | 12:49 |
| Guest224 | hmm..motorola Droid 4 xt894 is hard to find.. | 12:53 |
| uvos__ | yeah they only pop up occasionally at this point (for resonable prices) | 12:53 |
| uvos__ | and cost about 40-50 buZz is a bit out of date. | 12:54 |
| uvos__ | xt875 ist still fairly easy however | 12:54 |
| uvos__ | https://www.ebay.com/itm/194532230758?hash=item2d4b064666:g:dZAAAOSwf6thnn5u&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoK80cXmjFm01QJWTrRbEUnvMrjv1xrtUo4IAlIuE%2BKbEL79oXzgM5ZstrQw2GGHsA8ThYjELZkmUixnqQdA9i5hCQRby56DIUbP94t6Y7gblet1GcrJSRuctKXuUYgbr%2Bn0cJsJnVBim%2BZe7F42%2BmtH1ihaDTvRlYD%2Fj9deLal6kxKTFlD6zEEi6yDU9SiRnv7DTSrcyVSSCp73zaZEMhFE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7C4qdn8YA | 12:56 |
| uvos__ | those look like a good deal for instance | 12:56 |
| * buZz is very out of date ;) | 12:57 | |
| Guest224 | xt875 doesn't have keyboard? and doen't send to europe. | 12:58 |
| uvos__ | right | 12:58 |
| uvos__ | its a d4 with no keyboard | 12:59 |
| uvos__ | (almost) | 12:59 |
| buZz | XT610 looks cool! https://www.ebay.nl/itm/155204892510 | 12:59 |
| uvos__ | i have one of those | 12:59 |
| buZz | 512MB ram, not even that horrible | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | its very slow | 13:00 |
| buZz | OMAP3620 is similar to n900? | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | its a omap3 after all | 13:00 |
| buZz | or not? | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | yes its very similar to n900 | 13:00 |
| buZz | nice | 13:00 |
| buZz | i really like the formfactor | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | it uses the same pmic too as n900 | 13:00 |
| Guest224 | does XT610 work with Leste? | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | same wifi | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | etc | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | Guest224: no | 13:00 |
| uvos__ | Guest224: if you need a keyboard you need to find a xt894 or hope we can figure out why xt86x crashes all the time | 13:01 |
| uvos__ | xt86x you can still find relatviely often | 13:01 |
| buZz | i sooo hope that the vendor i contacted can find https://www.ebay.nl/itm/363618944413 | 13:02 |
| buZz | so nerdy, having your phone in a holster / hardcase :P | 13:02 |
| Guest224 | I think I have enough time to find xt894, before there is Leste _stable_ with 4G connection for it. | 13:07 |
| buZz | xt894 doesnt do 4G | 13:08 |
| Guest224 | 3G is enough. | 13:09 |
| buZz | :) i'm learning to do everything with just 2.5G (edge) | 13:10 |
| buZz | works fine, as long as you realize about data amounts :P | 13:11 |
| buZz | like, my 'favorite' icecast just made a mono/lower quality stream, so i can listen over GPRS/EDGE without issues :D | 13:11 |
| Guest224 | 2.5G is not so bad...I used long time with Nokia 9500 and then came html5 and page sizes gets 100 times bigger...where is energy saving :) | 13:13 |
| buZz | :) uvos wanted to setup some http proxy for compressing / altering images | 13:14 |
| Guest224 | will this be the last good pinephone for Leste? : https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/ | 13:15 |
| buZz | the Pro isnt supported afaik | 13:15 |
| Guest224 | and pro is not so good? | 13:15 |
| buZz | but that one, sure, yes | 13:15 |
| buZz | -maybe- Pro will be supported some day? no clue really | 13:16 |
| buZz | i have that 3GB version of PP here , just for testing dev stuff | 13:16 |
| buZz | i was amused that compiling devilutionX with make -j1 is faster on Droid 4 , vs Pinephone | 13:16 |
| buZz | :) | 13:16 |
| Guest224 | but that pp has 4 cores. if software can use then pp is faster. | 13:18 |
| buZz | yeah perhaps, the channel seemed to think that IO on pp is still a lot slower vs Droid4 | 13:19 |
| Guest224 | anyway always faster than N900? | 13:21 |
| buZz | yeah | 13:24 |
| Guest224 | btw..x86 (not amd64) version of Leste would be cool for Nokia Booklet 3G or any another older minilaptops with 3G. (I know more supported devices is not on priority) | 13:27 |
| buZz | might be a option to enable the 32bit x86 builds | 13:30 |
| buZz | but might need a lot of testing :) | 13:30 |
| buZz | Guest224: many thinkpads X series have support for a internal modem too :) | 13:30 |
| Guest224 | Leste would be cool to those thinkpads that are too slow to modern stantard desktop GUIs. | 13:35 |
| buZz | i dont know, my 'modern standard desktop GUI' is fluxbox, barely uses 32MB ram | 13:37 |
| buZz | oh sorry, 10MB ram resident, 43MB virtual :) | 13:37 |
| Guest224 | not bad. | 13:41 |
| buZz | been using it since ~1999 24/7 on nearly all linux machines i use | 13:42 |
| uvos__ | really hildon-desktop is extreamly resource intensive when compeared to basic wm type linux desktops | 14:44 |
| Wizzup | it's kind apainful that offline mode indeed kills wifi, at least in the plane I am in now | 18:45 |
| norayr | there was tablet mode applet | 18:46 |
| norayr | in fremantle repos | 18:46 |
| Wizzup | ah | 18:46 |
| norayr | i wanted to try to build it now but then decided it might use some outdated things like nokia dbus messages and i am not an expert at all. | 18:47 |
| norayr | but u can build and change it easily i think. | 18:48 |
| Wizzup | I think we just need to integrate it better | 18:48 |
| sicelo | btw, are we planning to do something about the wifi CVEs? | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | PC CPU cooler fall off the board :D | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | my PC is so old that plastic clips that hold it became into pieces | 21:07 |
| sicelo | gawd | 21:17 |
| buZz | freemangordon: time for zipties? :D | 21:33 |
| buZz | sicelo: we'll have to wait till the fixes are inside the kernel , afaik | 21:33 |
| buZz | maybe we could backport the linux 6.x fixes to our current kernel version | 21:33 |
| buZz | or eh, i dont know, upgrade to newer? | 21:33 |
| uvos | someone should try 6.0 on d4 i gues | 21:35 |
| uvos | i hear it dosent work on n900 for sure tho | 21:35 |
| uvos | or has issues rather | 21:35 |
| buZz | not -yet- ;) | 21:36 |
| buZz | hehe well, yeah , we should , whichever version has the fixes anyway | 21:36 |
| uvos | well upping to 6.0 has to happen regardless of whatever else | 21:36 |
| buZz | right | 21:37 |
| buZz | just saying, it would be sad to do the work double ;) | 21:37 |
| buZz | if the goal is getting past these CVEs | 21:37 |
| uvos | once your on 6.0 merging in the .y branch for the cve at some point is no issue | 21:37 |
| buZz | yeah but i think the fixes are already inside them now | 21:38 |
| sicelo | 6.0 works ok on N900. just musb is broken (since 5.19 actually) | 21:44 |
| sicelo | buZz: the fixes were backported to some older kernels at least | 21:44 |
| buZz | ah, cool | 21:45 |
| buZz | well, i bet 'include the patches to our current kernels' would be a lot quicker/easier | 21:45 |
| sicelo | mighty17[m]: i don't think anyone tried gnome-mobile on powervr sgx. it might run though. regular gnome (mutter) did run when i tested earlier in the year | 22:26 |
| norayr | features and praises the old maemo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDE67HrxJQ | 23:19 |
| norayr | btw, does harmattan have open parts? | 23:19 |
| norayr | is it in theory possible to revive it? | 23:19 |
| sicelo | it does, and in theory, nemo is it | 23:21 |
| sicelo | s/is it/is its revival/ | 23:21 |
| norayr | i thought nemo is written from scratch. | 23:24 |
| norayr | need to install it to pmos on pp. | 23:24 |
| norayr | and try. | 23:24 |
| norayr | also it is very interesting how maemo leste looks on n9. | 23:25 |
| sicelo | nemo's glacier is a written from scratch attempt to reproduce N9's UI | 23:26 |
| sicelo | norayr: i'm curious. how does it look like on n9? pic? | 23:27 |
| n00mann[m] | Many carriers are planning to shut down 2g in near future | 23:37 |
| n00mann[m] | In my place they even stated to goal is to forced adoption of smartphones | 23:37 |
| n00mann[m] | Disgusting | 23:37 |
| n00mann[m] | s/to/the/ | 23:38 |
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