libera/#maemo/ Monday, 2018-10-15

bencohhey there ... does supl.nokia.com works properly for you, or did it change/break again?08:30
siceloit has finally vansiedd off the face of the earth10:42
bencohseriously? :/10:42
bencohdo we have any replacement in progress?10:42
siceloyup. see last few posts in tmo post about a-gps10:43
bencohah :)10:43
bencohhmm, where was that again10:43
sicelosome say supl.google.com works for them, but i am skeptical10:44
bencohI never saw it work tbh10:44
bencoh(not with location-daemon, that is)10:44
sixwheeledbeastnetiher have i10:44
bencohwe could maybe proxy it10:44
KotCzarnyping to that host works10:45
sicelohttps://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9065110:45
KotCzarny64 bytes from lh-in-f192.1e100.net (64.233.161.192): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=25.6 ms10:45
sicelowhat host is that?10:46
KotCzarnysupl.google.com10:46
KotCzarnydarn.10:46
KotCzarnymisread10:46
bencoh;)10:46
KotCzarnyok, nokia one dns vanished10:46
sixwheeledbeastIt could be nokia moving there dns about? i assume microsoft had control of some of it for a bit.10:47
bencoharen't they supposed to give it back, somehow?10:47
KotCzarnythey own it, who should they give it back to?10:48
siceloi think now the server is just decommissioned10:48
siceloit has been working for a while .. only recently stopped working.10:48
bencohI mean ... MS no longer own the Nokia brand iirc10:48
siceloso i don't think MS has anything to do with it10:48
KotCzarnybest course of action i guess is just changing /etc/hosts or binary editing10:48
bencohbinary editing? nah :)10:48
bencohRE-ing of liblocation, maybe10:49
bencohand even that is probably not needed10:49
bencohwe could probably add an A-GPS proxy to forward location-daemon's request to google with proper additions10:49
KotCzarnyafair supl.nokia.com was distributed via amazonaws anyway10:50
bencohindeed10:53
sixwheeledbeastmicrosoft/nokia lumias where using supl.nokia.com for a bit though AFAIK.10:54
sixwheeledbeastI imagine new nokias will just use google supl10:55
bencohdo lumia phones still receive support?10:55
sixwheeledbeastBut nokia supl down means all symbian stuff now has no supl.10:55
bencohI doubt symbian is still "supported" in any way10:56
sixwheeledbeastlumia was discontinued a year ago10:57
sixwheeledbeastsecurity updates to dec 2019 according to wiki10:58
sixwheeledbeastMS Lumia site has links back to Nokia HMD so they must have some deal.11:00
* sixwheeledbeast looks at 130 Classic11:03
siceloslightly derailing the discussion - any browser that is TLS 1.2 capable? (on Maemo)?11:04
sixwheeledbeastwasn't that jonwils plan on TMO11:06
sicelomy recent issues with QT (the latest one) seem to suggest that TLS 1.0 is disabled in the new build. :-/11:08
siceloi don't know how to confirm this11:09
sicelommm, maybe not11:13
KotCzarnyis there some way to check if sms was multipart?11:24
KotCzarny(apart from direct access to sqlite db)11:24
bencohwell, adding recent openssl libraries alongside our old 0.9.8 version should not be an issue11:31
brolin_empeyBacktracking: the rent for my home is almost half of my monthly expenses, then food is around a quarter.11:38
ceenesicelo: would you give a chance to easydebian?12:15
ceenei run midori on that12:15
ceeneand it's probably the fastest browser on maemo right now12:15
siceloceene, yes i have been downloading image :)13:01
sicelosoon as it is done, i'll give it a spin13:01
siceloopera-mobile 12.5 has some support for tls 1.2, but i guess not enough ciphers, or whatever else (i'm not too familiar with ssl jargon)13:02
siceloceene: https://mail.jwpub.irg ... please test it for me if you're able to get to a login screen. if you have time, of course.13:03
sicelo*.org13:05
sixwheeledbeasthttps://www.howsmyssl.com/13:08
siceloi should read up on this stuff .. but i guess the problem is - opera (or other browser)  advertises to the server that it supports weak ciphers _in_ _addtion_ to the 'strong' ones. as soon as server sees the weak ones, it closes connection.13:38
sicelowhy aren't these things designed that the server tells the browser what it wants to use, and browser picks the correct thing? :-/13:40
sixwheeledbeastSo not to break the internet? Working that way is part of the c-s model. Clients request, servers provide.14:08
KotCzarnywell, in ssh client and server talk to each other14:09
KotCzarnyand negotiate common and preferred ciphers list14:10
ceenesicelo: on iceweasel on debian I can, if I remember this afternoon, I'll try on midori on n90014:10
KotCzarnyso it's m$ problem of bad workaround in their software14:13
siceloMS?14:21
KotCzarnywasnt that the one server running m$ mail?14:22
siceloi used that address as an example. i have same issue with gitlab.com for example14:23
siceloyay! the latest ED image comes with IceWeasel. i can access the mail.jwpub on it. still going to try midori.14:59
ceenemidori is so much faster14:59
siceloi'll install it15:00
ceeneit also has a couple of very useful things by default, such as a dropdown selector to choose user agent15:00
ceeneso you can configure it so identify as a mobile browser if you want15:00
ceenes/so/to/15:00
siceloturns out midori has cert issue with that site as well. or i need to figure out how midori uses certificate stores16:15
KotCzarnystrace midori 2>&1 |grep open ?16:26
KotCzarnyyou will see what files it opens16:26
KotCzarny(or tries to open)16:26
ceeneoh :(16:28
ceenei didn't expect that at all16:28
ceenewhat does it complaint about exactly?16:29
ceenes/complaint/complain/16:29
ceenei don't know how to write English anymore16:29
sicelotyping on N900 - sorry for the brevity - but the 'problem' is the same as debian bug 80616916:32
ceene> Error Code: 408. The operation timed out. The remote server did not16:32
ceene> respond within the set time allowed. The server might be unavailable16:32
ceene> at this time. Try again later or contact the server16:32
ceene> administrator. (12002)16:32
ceenethat?16:32
ceeneoh, I see16:33
ceenethis16:33
ceeneError granting trust: Couldn't find a place to store the pinned certificate16:33
siceloyes16:33
ceenewhy the hell is all this so complicated16:35
ceeneapt-get install libp11-kit-gnome-keyring16:35
ceenetry to install that on your easydebian16:35
ceeneand after that some variation of modutil -add gnome-keyring -libfile ./lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so -mechanisms RSA:DSA -dbdir ~/.config/midori/16:36
sicelocouldn't find it :-)16:36
ceenewhat a piece of shit16:36
ceenei'll try later this afternoon when i have my n900, i'm at work now16:36
ceenei don't remember midori failing me in any web16:36
ceenebut maybe i had some later version of easydebian, I'm thiking16:36
ceenesome development image, maybe?16:37
bencohwtf o.O16:38
ceenewhich image have you installed?16:40
siceloi think mine is newer than yours - debian_jessie_216:41
ceeneis there a jessie image?16:41
ceenewow16:41
ceenelet me try midori on debian sid x8616:42
ceenemaybe the jessie image is too new... lol16:43
ceeneit loads on my pc16:47
ceenei'll try later on my n90016:48
sicelosure. in the meantime, my big issues are gone since i can access the two mailboxes now. yes things are slow, but i can wait :-)16:51
ceenesicelo: https://mail.jwpub.irg works on my n900's midori17:47
ceenemidori 0.4.317:47
sicelook. you're using wheezy image?17:48
ceene8.317:49
sicelo8.5 for me17:50
ceenei don't know which image it was, because ii wrote it to an sdcard partition17:50
ceeneso i don't have the image name17:51
sicelomust be jessie_117:51

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