libera/#maemo/ Friday, 2018-10-26

DocScrutinizer05check out Samsung Note9 DeX. Awesome (well sort of, if only there were standard apps for it)00:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway turns your smartphone into a micro-"brick" aka "laptop"00:10
sixwheeledbeastubuntu-mate has gpd pocket builds00:16
siceloso my main N900 lost the magnet for back cover, and sd cards not detected anymore.00:17
siceloin fact, not lost, but somehow rusted, turned to powder00:17
sixwheeledbeast~fixmagnet00:18
sixwheeledbeast~ping00:18
infobot~pong00:18
sixwheeledbeast~toast00:18
infobotwell, toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......00:18
sicelois there suck factoid?00:18
sicelo*such00:18
sixwheeledbeast~listkeys fix00:18
infobotFactoid search of 'fix' by key (15 of 107): /var/lib/dpkg/availble fix ;; aad kde crash fix ;; affix ;; aucfix41 ;; can/ we/ fix/ it/ ;; creative fix ;; creativefix ;; cvs fix ;; dos loadfix ;; fix for prboom for c7x0 ;; fixed ;; fixed sid ssh packages ;; fixing the checks in mtdpart.c ;; gdm fix ;; go fix yourself.00:18
sicelo~listkeys magnet00:19
infobotFactoid search of 'magnet' by key (4): security magnetic remanence ;; for�a eletromagnetica ;; magnet ;; captainmagneto.00:19
sixwheeledbeasthmm maybe there isn't one00:19
siceloanyway, i am just wondering how the magnet should be inserted. e.g. which direction do the poles faces00:19
buZzsicelo: oh eh, i think i can measure that if i brought my compass here00:32
buZzi did!00:33
buZznow where is one of my n900s00:33
sixwheeledbeastwhile true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap-hs.0/mmc_host\:mmc0/cover_switch; done00:35
buZzgood point, could just measure00:36
sixwheeledbeastI need to add that to my list00:36
sixwheeledbeast~beasttweaks00:36
infobotbeasttweaks is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts00:36
buZzhmm, bit vague, seems the north pole is pointing to the right-side of the n900 , with the backlid towards you00:38
buZzoh, no00:38
buZznorth is pointing outward from camera, south inward00:39
sixwheeledbeast~botsnack00:40
infobot:), sixwheeledbeast00:40
sixwheeledbeastdamn my device is being slow.00:43
sixwheeledbeastuptime 14 days and it's still indexing my music.00:43
sixwheeledbeastdamn you tracker00:43
brolin_empey“damn my device is being slow.”01:16
brolin_empeyI thought that is normal for the N900. :-P01:16
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: The Galaxy Note 5 and later have a difficult to remove battery, which sucks.  The Galaxy Note 4 is theoretically an upgrade from the Galaxy Note 3 I still use but, in practice, the Galaxy Note 4 seems to have problems that the Galaxy Note 3 does not have so I will stay with my Snapdragon-based Galaxy Note 3.01:19
Maxdamantusafair, the only way to use the SD card without the back cover is to do something at the kernel level. I posted a patch on the forms a while ago for omap_hsmmc to ignore that switch.02:24
Maxdamantussince the omap_hsmmc module itself will remove access to the card under those conditions.02:25
Maxdamantusimo that's extremely bad behaviour anyway. It should be up to user-level software to detect the cover and to attempt to unmount the filesystem, rather than just randomly making it inaccessible at a block level.02:26
MaxdamantusAnalogous to pulling out a drive from a running system.02:27
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: I'm absolutely sure changing battery is a major PITA in any recent mainstream smartphomne02:28
bencohpretty much everything for which the device wasn't meant is a major PITA nowadays02:29
DocScrutinizer05~ping02:30
DocScrutinizer05~fsckyou02:30
DocScrutinizer05~lstkeys " magnet "02:31
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys " magnet "02:31
infobotFactoid search of ' magnet ' by key returned no results.02:31
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: infobot replies if you ask them if they are pregnant. :-P02:32
DocScrutinizer05huh?02:32
brolin_empeyinfobot: Pregnant?02:32
DocScrutinizer05well, it has over 100k factoids02:32
DocScrutinizer05~+status02:33
DocScrutinizer05and it lags like mad02:33
DocScrutinizer05soon will go offline again with ping timeout02:34
brolin_empeyIt used to reply with something like “Yes, and it is yours.”.  Search the channel log for when I asked it if it is pregnant years ago.02:34
DocScrutinizer05I'm not excited02:34
brolin_empeyI was joking because you said ~fsckyou, implying that you impregnated it.02:34
infobotYes, brolin_empey, and it's your child.02:35
DocScrutinizer05ooooh02:35
infobotSince Fri Oct 26 00:28:51 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command.  I have been awake for 6m 31s this session, and currently reference 119772 factoids.  I'm using about 80364 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.43/0.49 child 0/002:35
DocScrutinizer05~+uptime02:35
infobot- Uptime for purl -02:35
infobotNow: 6m 44s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux02:35
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201002:35
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200902:35
infobot3: 53d 8h 24m 4s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Nov  7 05:34:20 201702:35
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo*magnet02:36
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo*magnet' by key returned no results.02:36
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo.*magnet02:36
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo.*magnet' by key returned no results.02:36
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues magnet02:36
infobotFactoid search of 'magnet' by value (18 of 45): cmd: kill (.*?) ;; core ;; emi ;; emms ;; emulate ag` ;; gtkextra ;; infinite guitar ;; jargon bare metal4 ;; jargon book titles9 ;; jargon cut a tape ;; jargon farming ;; jargon flap ;; jargon rusty memory ;; jargon vannevar ;; jargon walking drives ;; jedstate ;; magnet ;; nmr.02:37
DocScrutinizer05~magnet02:37
infobotfrom memory, magnet is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9b0fa597ab8bdd89a57434876947dbe378a79aad&dn=devuan_jessie_beta&tr=udp://tracker.dyne.org:696902:37
DocScrutinizer05phhh02:37
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo magnet02:38
infobotmagnet -- created by jaromil <~jaromil@unaffiliated/jaromil> at Fri Apr 29 19:06:41 2016 (909 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 26s ago.02:38
DocScrutinizer05ohmy02:38
brolin_empeyinfobot: Menopausal?02:38
DocScrutinizer05~forget magnet02:39
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot magnet02:39
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys cover02:39
infobotFactoid search of 'cover' by key (13 of 25): discovery channel ;; i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd ;; mugen-cover-mod ;; security recovery procedures ;; security covert channel ;; black cover ;; discovers that scribble pad ;; system compromise recovery ;; flatbatrecover ;; recover ;; system recovery ;; discovery ;; tv coverage.02:39
DocScrutinizer05~forget i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd02:40
infoboti forgot i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd, DocScrutinizer0502:40
DocScrutinizer05~forget discovers that scribble pad02:40
infoboti forgot discovers that scribble pad, DocScrutinizer0502:40
brolin_empey~forget future02:40
infobotbrolin_empey: i forgot future02:40
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys 'cover '02:41
infobotFactoid search of 'cover ' by key (4): cmd: whalecover (.*?) ;; i did manage to discover that ucb1200 gpio control #DEL# ;; i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd #DEL# ;; flatbatrecover #DEL#.02:41
brolin_empey0_o02:41
DocScrutinizer05~unforget future02:41
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'future'.  Have fun now.02:41
brolin_empeyWhat was the future?02:41
DocScrutinizer05~ignore brolin_empey02:41
infoboterror: chan #maemo is invalid.02:41
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo future02:42
infobotfuture -- created by sydb <mpacey@host62-7-103-113.btinternet.com> at Fri Sep  1 21:40:06 2000 (6628 days); last modified 1m 33s ago  by brolin_empey; it has been requested 5 times, last by ZogG_laptop at Thu Jul 19 11:41:29 2012.02:42
brolin_empey~future02:42
infoboti guess future is bright02:42
brolin_empey~past02:43
brolin_empeyA history of the future, heh.02:44
DocScrutinizer05~past is <reply>today's past is yesterday's future02:44
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0502:44
DocScrutinizer05~past02:45
infobottoday's past is yesterday's future02:45
DocScrutinizer05~attack brolin_empey02:46
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing brolin_empey02:46
infobot#maemo brolin_empey, it's your fault!02:46
infobotnow try to be a cool daddy02:47
brolin_empeyIs the national debt of the USA like entropy?02:48
DocScrutinizer05never shrinking?02:48
brolin_empeyIt can only remain the same or increase?02:50
DocScrutinizer05what I said ;-)02:50
DocScrutinizer05like time goes backward, like water goes over the bridge, US national dept shrinks02:51
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects there's no factoid dealing with missing magnet in N900 cover02:52
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo magnet is <reply>the magnet in cover points south pole outwards, N to device02:56
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0502:56
DocScrutinizer05HTH02:57
DocScrutinizer05~magnet02:57
infobotthe magnet in cover points south pole outwards, N to device02:57
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo magnet is <reply>in Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points south pole outwards, N to device02:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay02:58
DocScrutinizer05~magnet02:58
infobotin Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points south pole outwards, N to device02:58
DocScrutinizer05N.B: the N pole of any free spinning magnet turns to eath's south02:59
DocScrutinizer05does it?03:00
DocScrutinizer05actually NOOOO! what a fuck, the earth has a magnetic NORTH pole on south, and a SOUTH pole at north03:02
DocScrutinizer05what a weird idiocy03:02
DocScrutinizer05so a magnetic N is what points to earth's N03:03
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo magnet is <reply>in Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points north pole outwards, S to device03:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay03:04
DocScrutinizer05IOW when you'd use the N900 as a compass needle, the screen would point South, and backside North03:06
DocScrutinizer05https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Erdmagnetfeld.png03:09
DocScrutinizer05https://www.waldorf-ideen-pool.de/Schule/faecher/physik/klasse-7/magnetismus/allgemeines/geographischer-nordpol-und-magnetischer-suedpol03:11
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: >>uptime 14 days and it's still indexing my music<<  are you sure you didn't just close your battery cover so tracker restarted indexing the complete uSD?03:14
DocScrutinizer05btw a *NASTY* fscked problem when you got a magnetic clip closing the lid of your N900 holster, each time you remove the device, it slides along the holster's magnet and may think the battery lid got removed for a fraction of a second03:16
DocScrutinizer05... and thus restart tracker indexing03:16
DocScrutinizer05:-S03:17
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: you already asleep? or did you run from infobot before she starts bitching at you about the baby?03:18
DocScrutinizer05~+status03:18
infobotSince Fri Oct 26 00:28:51 2018, there have been 8 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 10 commands.  I have been awake for 50m 8s this session, and currently reference 119774 factoids.  I'm using about 80860 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.81/1.34 child 0/003:18
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I just came home from my office.  It is 18:50 here.03:51
sicelothanks buZz for checking. now, to find a suitable magnet :-)07:41
Vajbget some huge neodym magnet :p08:10
totalizatorsicelo: haven't heard about Maemo Leste, thanks09:59
totalizatoroh gosh, I remember the day when my magnet from n900 fell into the grass, like in slow motion ;__;10:01
KotCzarnyfor one of my n900s without magnes i just bough replacement (used) cover cheaply ~1usd10:04
sicelohow much is a complete working N900 KotCzarny?10:06
KotCzarnydepends on luck10:07
KotCzarnyfrom ~20usd to ~50usd10:07
sicelousual range?10:07
sicelothanks10:07
KotCzarny50+ usd is almost new quality10:07
sicelothanks.10:24
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: you might want to change "while true" to "while sleep 0.1" in  ~beasttweaks. Needs bash!10:27
DocScrutinizer05totalizator: pondered luring the N900 magnet out of the grass with another ("huge") magnet?10:34
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: let me know which solution you came up with for the replacement magnet. I think cutting a tiny piece off a plastic fridge magnet might work10:36
totalizatorhuge magnet, yes, that's something I carry around usually - kind of a lucky charm ;)10:44
KotCzarnythere are people NOT carrying HUGE magnet with them ALL the time?10:46
totalizatorask Steve Wozniak https://gizmodo.com/5926598/the-amazing-contents-of-steve-wozniaks-travel-backpack10:48
KotCzarny:)10:50
KotCzarnymine has 2 cellphones, slim power bank, e-ink e-reader and usb 3g modem10:51
siceloi have one of those magnetic name tag things somewhere. hope the magnet is strong enough10:51
KotCzarnyand a swissbit10:51
KotCzarnyalso microusb cable (for powerbank)10:51
KotCzarnyatm also usb-uasp (sata adapter)10:52
KotCzarnyalso pendrive and a mirror10:52
totalizatorI carry an usb3 external ssd with Linux as I'm too paranoid to leave it at work :E10:55
KotCzarnygrab some dedi box (or setup one at home) ?10:56
totalizatoreasier that carrying the laptop plus it's perfectly bootable on any pc10:56
KotCzarnysysarm has a nice offer10:56
KotCzarnyah, for that10:56
totalizatordedi box?10:57
KotCzarnyas opposed to vps10:58
DocScrutinizer05totalizator: there's more magnets around that you might think, usually11:27
DocScrutinizer05e.g. headphones11:28
sixwheeledbeast^keyboards slider? hard drives, microwaves11:34
sixwheeledbeast^or is this a magnet to fit in as a replacement?11:35
sixwheeledbeast^~logs11:36
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KotCzarnywith tlc ssd, old magnetic hdds are just too clunky11:36
KotCzarny(comparing prices)11:36
sixwheeledbeast^I still prefer HDD for storage11:38
KotCzarnyfor long time storage, yeah. as a portable storage ssd is just fine11:39
sixwheeledbeast^I like to shred things SSD dont like that11:39
KotCzarnyum, trim?11:40
totalizatorssds tend to shred themseves11:40
KotCzarny:)11:40
sixwheeledbeast^I agree portable is better with no mechanical components to damage.11:42
KotCzarnylighter too11:42
KotCzarnyand smaller if you happen to have msata/m.2 enclosure11:43
sixwheeledbeast^I suppose you could manually trim the drive instead of shred.11:49
sixwheeledbeast^Otherwise data is there until your trim cycle, normally a cron job every week11:49
KotCzarnyyou shred automatically?11:50
sixwheeledbeast^some files from the cli11:51
KotCzarnyalso, since many ssds are encrypted internally now, destroying controller is enough11:51
jonwilhi12:07
KotCzarnyhello12:09
Vajbabout n900 profiles. I usually want to keep my phone on silent profile, but at day time I like it to vibrate, but at night time this is not acceptable. Do we have a script to change this automagically?12:53
jonwilAnything interesting happening in the world of N900 lately?12:54
KotCzarnyjonwil: most of the fun happens in #maemo-leste12:54
jonwilok :)12:54
sunshaviKotCzarny: Do You use mutt on the n900?13:46
KotCzarnynope, i only use web interface for mail13:47
KotCzarnyboth yahoo and gmail have legacy fallbacks13:47
sixwheeledbeast^~phonecontrol13:47
infobotrumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control13:48
sixwheeledbeast^^ Vajb13:48
sunshaviI am using mutt on n900 (for reading with mbsync aka isync). In the future I would try to compile msmtp for also writting email on the device13:49
Vajbsixwheeledbeast^: thx, I thought to ask if there is something ready to prevent iventing wheel, but I'll dig to it then.13:57
sixwheeledbeast^oh no i doubt13:58
sixwheeledbeast^Vajb: Just use alarmd?14:24
sixwheeledbeast^Alarmed14:24
sixwheeledbeast^That's how i do most stuff like that14:25
MaxdamantusHm. I have an evil plan to continue using Opera Mobile with sites requiring newer versions of TLS.14:39
MaxdamantusIt seems to use SNI, so I should be able to make a MITM server that generates appropriate certificates on the fly, signed by my own CA certificate which can be added as a root.14:40
Maxdamantusand can probably just do something like override `connect` with LD_PRELOAD14:41
Maxdamantusand of course, the proxy server will do hostname validation, so there's no loss of security.14:43
MaxdamantusI guess this is what "mitmproxy" does, but that's written in Python, so would prefer not to run that on the N900.14:45
DocScrutinizer05indeed alarmed comes with this function built in15:25
sixwheeledbeast^Did anyone get QML browser working with TLS? I thought that was a thing, I need to try.15:30
sicelosunshavi: i do use mutt on N900.  any reason for asking?17:00
sunshavisicelo: Hi. Yeah. Do You send email with msmtp?17:14
siceloi don't use msmtp. any advantages over using mutt's existing smtp 'client'?17:18
sunshaviless setup probably. support for multiple accounts also17:21
sunshavimutt used just as MUA17:22
siceloymmv17:22
siceloworks fine for me to send and retrieve mail from Google & Outlook.com (where I use it)17:23
sunshavinice. Probably I am going to compile msmtp and transfer my setup as it is. then I would have isync as MDA mutt as MUA and msmtp MTA17:26
Vajbhmm did someone patch pidgin-libnotify to fix vibra issue? Or is there a version which works with maemo? Newer than 14.2-319:39
sixwheeledbeast^gidzzz did some pidgin stuff maybe search on tmo?19:56
Vajbok thx20:07
Vajbhmm it was facebook plugin20:17
Vajbhmm it seems that telegram-purple doesn't support supergroups21:21
Vajboh well I'll live21:21
siceloVajb: i use telegram-cli now :)21:44
Vajboh. Does it support supergroups?21:48
sicelowhat's a supergroup btw22:08
Vajbwell I don't know exact definition, but it is a group that can have lots of members22:13
Vajbif I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail: user_already_participant22:15
Vajb"22:15
siceloif there's any free-access supergroup you know, i can test for you22:15
Vajbif I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail 400: user_already_participant"22:15
VajbI know only this one im using and it is not open :/22:16
sicelo:-)22:16
sicelorussian spies?22:16
siceloanyway, you can find the package on tmo and test for yourself. or, build it on pc22:18
Vajbyeah I did some digging of a topic22:19
VajbI'll see what I do, but thx :)22:20
siceloit's cli, so it has its limitations, but i never went back to pidgin since i got it.22:23

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