libera/#maemo/ Sunday, 2018-12-02

DocScrutinizer05I admit it's not simp,le to find, anyway I succeeded back when I chosen Startpage - they get money from Google for the adds they forward and show while they protect their users from getting tracked by google and by the ads00:09
DocScrutinizer05so the money advertisers pay to google for placing ads stays a fraction at google while another fraction gets forwarded by google to startpage00:11
DocScrutinizer05hmm, they changed their website. And they now say they pay google for using google's search results. So maybe they do direct business with advertisers now?00:17
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: https://www.startpage.com/en/search/privacy-policy.html  >>Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links", which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google Adwords.<<00:22
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: ACK.00:32
DocScrutinizer05anyway >>We don’t record your IP address;  We don’t serve any tracking or identifying cookies;  we don’t collect any ‘personal data’ <<01:26
DocScrutinizer05the above URL is pointing to a worthwhile read01:29
DocScrutinizer05one of my colleagues did a evaluation of mosz existing searchj engines regarding privacy, and Startpage ranked #4+- iirc01:31
sicelowho was #109:07
sixwheeledbeastddg?10:47
buZzsearx? :)10:48
fishbulbwhy the fuck would you do this.11:31
buZzTHIS!11:32
* buZz shakes fist11:32
fishbulbsomeone gave them the stuff to fuck with my phone. nobosy has these phones so the information could have only come from here11:34
fishbulbsomeone got so hurt they might die because of this11:34
fishbulband you did it because of false information.11:35
fishbulbyou fucking stupid bastard. it is beyond careless and way beyond whatever the fuck you thought justified you doing this.11:36
buZz?11:36
fishbulbi hope when you find out what the fuck happened you can never sleep again.11:38
fishbulbit was sicelo or kotczarny11:38
fishbulbyou irresponsible fucking bastard11:38
fishbulbyou don't know what you've done11:41
fishbulbyou used false information to justify what you did.11:41
buZzKotCzarny: seems you doxed and hacked fishbulb and infected him with a virus that broke a flexcable inside his n900? :D11:52
buZzlol11:52
siceloall fishbulb bases are belong to us12:24
buZzalso he claimed #maemo is the -only- source of n900 knowledge in the -world-12:34
buZzwhich is quite charming12:34
KotCzarnybuzz: what can i say..17:19
KotCzarny;)17:19
buZz:)17:19
buZzi'm just amazed by your mad sk1llz17:19
KotCzarnyschizophrenic paranoia is treatable to some extent17:19
KotCzarnybut it's just a time bomb17:20
buZzyeah he'll be back17:20
KotCzarnysad part is he fussed about n900 years ago, yet he didnt switch to android apparently17:20
xestalk.maemo.org: bye bye bots and spiders :)18:38
KotCzarnyi should be afraid to ask.. but.. what? :>18:38
xesKotCzarny: due to the number of bot requests we are receiving i have just applied a bad bot filter. Feedback is welcome18:41
KotCzarnyhmm18:41
KotCzarnyso even more strict filter?18:41
xesno, only a large set of UA rules18:42
KotCzarnyuhum, figured as much18:42
KotCzarnyxes, how feasible would be creating some sort of readonly, static html archive of posts18:44
KotCzarnyhow big is the tmo data set?18:44
KotCzarnyi might have some spare disk space and bandwidth for that18:45
xesKotCzarny: hard question, easy solution? i suppose an N900 is enough to host the db :)19:08
buZzwas the worst bot 'megaindex.ru' by any chance?19:16
xesbuZz: no, it is blocked but we got no req. by it19:19
DocScrutinizer05wtf is wrong with fishbulb? Do I miss some 40% of that dialog (due to /ignore) so it looks like a completely insane monologue to me?19:26
DocScrutinizer05obviously not http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_maemo/latest.log.html19:28
DocScrutinizer05(opm19:29
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: xes: there really is no need for any mirror, you just need to distinguish read-only HTTP requests from HTTP requests that try to *write* any data (from "search" to "login" to "register") and only block the latter by applying RBL and whatnot19:36
DocScrutinizer05mirror / archive / whatever19:37
MaxdamantusPresumably the only thing you'd need to block to avoid spam is "register".19:38
DocScrutinizer05for Neo900 for example the current mechanism is already a knockout criterion since the users (incl me and our own communications officer!) that act most privacy/security aware can't even *read* the Neo900 posts anymore19:40
DocScrutinizer05it's not a sustainable approach to do daily snapshots on archive.org to allow users to *read* tmo19:43
DocScrutinizer05tools like fail2ban etc offer a plethora of better approaches to deal with bots etc than what maemo.org is doing right now19:45
KotCzarnyafair, they block spam at firewall level, not daemon level19:47
KotCzarnywhich complicates things19:47
DocScrutinizer05we urgently need to update the forum software. And I think this is what the eV was made for, to allow using the still existing funds to purchase a 200(?) bucks license19:47
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: yep19:48
DocScrutinizer05who's council? accoprding to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council eeklund, juiceme, mosen since a year?? Whatever, council should get active to get the "vBulletin® Version 3.8.8" tmo sw updated19:51
DocScrutinizer05https://www.vbulletin.com/en/purchases/  209 bucks19:52
KotCzarnymaxd: registeration doesnt block spam, just throttles it down a bit20:52
DocScrutinizer05well, I think we got a number of real new user registrations that easily allows welcoming each one manually by administrator22:04
DocScrutinizer05so instead of a friggin captcha or whatever, simply tell users who want to register: "please come to IRC #maemo and fetch the parole of the day to get registered"22:06
Oksanapassword of the day?23:58

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