libera/#maemo/ Thursday, 2018-12-20

sicelocu06:05
DocScrutinizer05https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/12/if-your-privacy-is-the-hands-of-others-alone-you-dont-have-any/06:13
KotCzarnyprivacy? whats that?06:14
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: kbd backlight is unrelated to FPC/flex. It's controlled vy a magnet in display slider that gets sensed by a hall sensor roughly above the "O" key iirc06:15
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^06:15
DocScrutinizer05the magnet is basically at edge of display slide and positions next to hall when slide is completely open06:16
DocScrutinizer05it's not unheard that magnet getting loose06:17
DocScrutinizer05otoh kbd backlight gets controlled by 6 of the LP5523 channels, while the remaining 3 channels control the RGB indicator LED06:20
DocScrutinizer05e.h. fcam might fsck up both indicator light and jbd backlight06:21
DocScrutinizer05e.g.*06:21
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: it's MCE which controls the backlight, you might want to have an eye on it and what it does (which "files" it reads and which I2C commands it sends to LP5523) - strace might be your best friend07:41
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: actually what's the problem exactly? "intermittent kbd backlight" sounds like hard to detect since the kbd BL already acts pretty weird in regular operation07:42
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ dang07:42
DocScrutinizer05what the heck is wromng with my irc client nick completion?07:43
DocScrutinizer05dman konversation is supposed to replace a plain <TAB> by most recently used nickname completion. However it doesn't. While I evidently used sixwheeledbeast^ last time, it gives me sicelo07:47
DocScrutinizer05DocScrutinizer05:07:47
DocScrutinizer05DocScrutinizer05:07:47
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^:07:47
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^:07:47
DocScrutinizer05tzz now it works07:47
DocScrutinizer05KDE 5 is a FSCKNG RNG07:48
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: MCE will shut down backlight when ambient light is too high07:50
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: the ALS has an annoying similarity to a camera with tele lens. Sitting in a pretty dark room the ALS might think you're in bright daylight since the ALS points to the tiny bright spot of a light bulb07:51
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: though the opposite is more usually to be seen, your device is brighly illuminated from e.g, sun shining in through a window, but ALS thinks it's pitch black night time since it looks to the black painted ceiling07:53
Maxdamantusas for the input used by mce to determine whether to turn the backlight on/off, I imagine it would be the "slide" gpio.07:55
Maxdamantusthe state of that can be read at /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state07:55
MaxdamantusI'm pretty sure I've stopped mce from responding to gpio states by just mounting regular files over those nodes in sysfs, so it probably just reads/polls that file.07:57
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: >>privacy? whats that?<< I think that's an incredibly good question, much better than you thought when you asked it07:57
KotCzarnyyup07:58
Maxdamantuson the device that I'm currently using, the slide gpio wasn't working from the time I got it, so the backlight doesn't come on, and it doesn't wake up when opening the slide.08:00
KotCzarnymost people just think of it as a cellar where one does his/hers hobbies08:00
KotCzarnywithout marketers ringing all the time and police looking over, no matter if you do legal or less legal things08:01
Maxdamantuson my device the hall sensor also doesn't work, dunno if the two things are related.08:01
DocScrutinizer05back in the ancient days of internet we dialed a dial-up ISP phone number with our Hayes modem over plain old telephone system. Pay-per-minute, no authentication, no logging of the number you're dialing in from - perfect anonymity08:01
Maxdamantus(the hall sensor not working is probably a bit more annoying, since I have to turn the screen off manually during a phone call to prevent my face pressing buttons on the screen)08:02
DocScrutinizer05thinhs changed and now you get tracked from log in to your ISP account to cookies on your browser and logging of your IP across several websites08:02
KotCzarnyfor many its 'leave me damn alone'08:02
KotCzarnyeven if they spill themselves over the internets in every possible way08:02
KotCzarnypeople were counted and numbered since ancient times08:03
KotCzarnyit's not a new concept08:03
DocScrutinizer05we should try to define pretty clearly what is relevant for our "privacy", what we are concerned about and would like to see protected against08:03
KotCzarnythat depends if you believe in society or individuals08:04
KotCzarnybecause those two arent the same in the effect08:04
DocScrutinizer05opne thing's for sure: the perfect anonymity of the good ole days of dial-in internet via modem from a phone booth are gone forever08:04
DocScrutinizer05and even back then you could reveal you plain name by dosclosing info in a "place" in internet where you better had not done so08:06
KotCzarnyanonimity isnt the same as privacy08:07
DocScrutinizer05but back when, no companies made a business out of your comprehensive activity log in internet08:07
DocScrutinizer05seems everybody startzs worrying about their "privacy" but nobody has a clear concept of what "privacy" actually means08:09
KotCzarnyyou can still be anonymous, but profiled08:09
KotCzarnyas is the case with google for example08:09
KotCzarnythey dont know who you are at the beginning, yet, in time they have your profile08:10
KotCzarnyeven if they dont put your name on it (yet)08:10
DocScrutinizer05yes08:13
DocScrutinizer05like with any attack threatening you or your devices, you need to start by defining the threat model before you can reasnably think about how to defend against that threat08:14
KotCzarnytl;dr, for knowledgeable people privacy==security from profiling, for others its just marketing scheme about big joes having ability to sell you legally08:15
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a pretty good first approach08:15
KotCzarnyunfortunatelly with our current society it's the latter we hear about08:15
KotCzarnypeople hardly ever fight over the important things (for me important being healthy sustainability of our planet/humanity as a whole)08:17
DocScrutinizer05>>Microsoft itself does not obey the DNT header, stating "Because there is not yet a common understanding of how to interpret the DNT signal, Microsoft services do not currently respond to browser DNT signals."<<09:52
DocScrutinizer05https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#Effectiveness09:52
DocScrutinizer05the result of not clearly defining what's the subject at hand (privacy) - this excuse is halfway legit09:54
sixwheeledbeast^DocScrutinizer05: sicelo:  ty, sounds like it's the high ambient light issue that I maybe seeing. The issue disappears when I am in a dim or dark room. I will monitor it for now. I know since I replace the main ribbon the IR sensor hasn't been perfect but never had the keyboard lights off before. I think i ever so slightly misaligned the main ribbon on tray.10:25
sixwheeledbeast^If it's a magnet then at least i know the main ribbon isn't dying again.10:26
sixwheeledbeast^As for privacy topic i just simply refuse to use something if they a Privacy Policy i don't like.11:01
KotCzarnywhat if they do it in gray area?11:05
sixwheeledbeast^?11:21
KotCzarnyie. you dont know about it, but they profile you at the order of some gov. agency11:22
sixwheeledbeast^If I "must" use the service do so with additional protection VPN/Onion11:26
KotCzarny~fiasco13:16
infobotL4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/13:16
KotCzarnymeh.13:16
KotCzarny~#maemo fiasco13:16
bencohI actually love that fiasco/l4 link, thanks :]13:19
KotCzarny:)13:19
bencohthis thing really got ported to quite a lot of SoCs in the end13:20
KotCzarny~0xFFFF13:35
infobothmm... 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8799613:35
sixwheeledbeast^~listkeys fiasco13:52
infobotFactoid search of 'fiasco' by key (1): fiasco.13:52
DocScrutinizer05~lisvalues fiasco18:14
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues fiasco18:15
infobotFactoid search of 'fiasco' by value (7): #maemo bm-images ;; emmcinfo ;; xrotation #DEL# ;; combined ;; xrotation ;; nitdroid ;; fiasco.18:15
DocScrutinizer05~bm-images18:15
infoboti heard bm-images is http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/   FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img18:15
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues fias?o18:17
infobotFactoid search of 'fias?o' by value (7): xrotation #DEL# ;; fiasco ;; emmcinfo ;; nitdroid ;; #maemo bm-images ;; xrotation ;; combined.18:17
DocScrutinizer05~combined18:17
infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/18:17
DocScrutinizer05gosh, this factoid needs some update, eh? prolly just stale links18:18
DocScrutinizer05~literal combined18:19
infobot"combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/"18:19
DocScrutinizer05infobot: forget combined18:20
infoboti forgot combined, DocScrutinizer0518:20
DocScrutinizer05infobot: #maemo combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you18:22
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay18:22
DocScrutinizer05~combined18:23
infobothmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you18:23
DocScrutinizer05~lf18:23
infobotit has been said that #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach18:23
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ OK?18:25
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: ^^^18:25
bencohDocScrutinizer05: ?19:04
DocScrutinizer05ckeaning up factoids19:38
DocScrutinizer05unrelated: https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/talks/dear-developer19:38
blebjust read that symbian was open source briefly around 201022:48
blebdid anyone do any work on that code base?  it would be amazing if i could compile and install my own symbian s6022:48

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!