| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: anything official has to be done by board, register changes with court (like new board members, bylaws, address) or other authorities or banks or whtever MCeV official means in terms of the bylaws | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | am I member of any board? (I honestly don't know of any, sorry) | 00:19 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: meeting minutes of GA in 2017 tells that you are board, doesn't it? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would have hoped to be foundation member only | 00:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: iirc you have been elected board in 2017 | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I for sure never felt up to the task to follow duties of a board member | 00:21 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: then don't do it in the future no more | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Als Vorstand wurde vorgeschlagen und einstimmig (wieder)gewählt: | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Jörg Reisenweber)(jörg_rw), Stimmen: 6 ja, 0 nein | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Stimmen: 6 Ja, 0 Nein | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Falk Stern (kriegsführung/fstern), Stimmen: 6 ja, 0 nein | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Die Gewählten akzeptierten die Wahl. Der Vorsitzende nimmt zur | 00:23 |
| chem|st | > Kenntnis, dass der Vorstand ordnungsgemäß bestellt wurde. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so obviously I am board member | 00:24 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: and to be pretty plain, it is receive or print a sheet of paper, go to city-hall, sign it, have it notarized by city-hall, put in an envelope send to Falk or Jussi or court - once a year... | 00:26 |
| chem|st | not that a big deal actually | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what I know for sure: I'm not secretary, I have no idea what tasks are pending and never felt like that's a duty I could be up to, and for sure I clearly stated this before I accepted any election to be any position in the MCeV | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no problem, send me paper and I'll sign and forward as needed | 00:27 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: so no secretary, as Jussi is treasurer, you might be chairman... you take the minutes and print it, download a "register at court" template, fill in your credentials and the changes in the meeting minutes + the new address, go notarize it, send it to probably falk as jussi is busy saving Nokia... | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, none of this sounds like I could convert it into an action I would know how to do. I'm not chairman either | 00:33 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I guess public court will make you convert it into an action | 00:34 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you registered a company, just the same, different name on the form | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "take the minutes" no idea where and what those are, print yes I know how to do. download a "register at court" template - no idea either. My credentials? As long as those are my personal data, ok - IO got no further credentials of any kind. Go notarize - no way, I got no time to visit a notar or whatever. | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry this sounds pretty offensive | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like this sort of .... meh | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind I'm pretty sure I find a way to get out of this pretty fast | 00:37 |
| chem|st | https://agkl.justiz.rlp.de/fileadmin/justiz/Gerichte/Ordentliche_Gerichte/Amtsgerichte/Kaiserslautern/Organisation/Registergericht/Anmeldung_von_Aenderungen_des_vertretungsberechtigten_Vorstands.pdf | 00:37 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: the letter I got from court because MCeV board failed to do something is pretty offensive | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hereby declare I leave MCeV and step down from all positions | 00:38 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: declare to whom? | 00:38 |
| chem|st | I am no board | 00:39 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: but well, pussy out like you always do... why get elected in the first place? | 00:40 |
| chem|st | otoh, I have no idea what falk's address is, so I will just paste the minutes and your address to court and the bank, send you all papers and shit and be done with it | 00:43 |
| chem|st | and if you think declaring anything will help, you are required to fwd changes to court within weeks, not years, so stepping down now instead of fixing it, helps you ZERO | 00:44 |
| chem|st | you can also talk some sense into the other two and do it together | 00:45 |
| chem|st | it is not like you are a sitting duck all alone there, you are three board members after all | 00:45 |
| chem|st | being two board members denying to have time to go notarize stuff, makes it completely impossible | 00:47 |
| chem|st | you need two notarized signatures | 00:47 |
| chem|st | and meeting minutes that state that those signing are board | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just bully others like you're the asshat boss, like always. Not with me | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>why get elected in the first place?<< I can tell you precidely: because I've been asked, rather begged to do, and I been promised there's no additional workload for me from it | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those who did obviously didn't anticipate chem|st's usual rage bursts | 00:53 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: lol | 00:54 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I bully people into what exactly? I have a fcking court order on my desk that is for the MCeV Board to fcking hand in changes or get a fcking court order that forces you by adding a little fee to it if you don't | 00:57 |
| chem|st | so get the fck out of my face and do your fcking job you obviously negotiated to be not your job, so sad that court won't give a fcking shit what you negotiated to be your job | 00:58 |
| chem|st | asking kindly for a year did not help, pressing the situation for a couple of months, didn't help - so wrap your head around it (I even pasted you the form to fill in... how hard can it be?) | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you did what??? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you come here throwing tantrums. fuck off with that tone | 01:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: it is quarter past 12... not 5 to 12 | 01:04 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: just guessing, you are not on the board mailinglist then | 01:04 |
| chem|st | this gets better every time | 01:05 |
| chem|st | well, you might not wonder ever to get no board emails if you negotiated to be a ghost board member | 01:07 |
| chem|st | sorry, I thought you got emails about that | 01:07 |
| chem|st | warfare: let me guess, you didn't put either one of you on the board alias?! | 01:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: to sum it up, I move and cannot receive any more postal stuff for MCeV, additionally, I am the emergency and secondary contact for the bank, that has to be done by someone else too | 01:09 |
| chem|st | that was what I was making aware of even before you got elected | 01:10 |
| chem|st | "all good for now but please find a solution" was my 2017 statement | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for today my quota of suffering hassle, namecalling and false accusations against me is used up. You're free to come again Monday politely explaining the problem you face, the actions you think are needed and ask me for help. As long as I'm not again getting called names and receive instructions I can't follow since I totally lack the necessary context (e.g. >>you take the minutes<< without pointer to those "minutes") I'm for sure | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | willing to help as much as my situation allows | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until then, please don't bother to highlight me, and stop spreading umfounded accusations | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | 00:38 #maemo DocScrutinizer05> I hereby declare I leave MCeV and step down from all positions | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | does that include chanop on irc? | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that related? | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also won't discontinue my c't magazine abo | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, it seems someone fucked up some legal stuff regarding maemo | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | because chem|st says he is secondary/emergency contact | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, I stoipped taking care about any of that like 5 years ago | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | and that should be done rather pushed around | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd wonder who's primary bank account contact then | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the most authoritative entity of maemo still should be council, like always had been or should have been | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with whole MCeV and his board only being executives of council, and council acting on behalf of and according to publicly negotiated common sense of maemo community | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why the community is supposed to elect on council | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MCeV only needed since you can't realistically hand over ownership of a bank account (and other assets) to a new council every 6 months | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it took me like 8 weeks of often hostile discussions to get anything into the eV statutes with a wording to the effect that council is telling eV what to do | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no way I'm going to get any closer than one continent apart from starting discussion about this topic again now | 07:39 |
| sicelo | iirc some of this stuff needed members in germany (for this bank & paperwork). | 13:40 |
| sicelo | hence Doc, Juice, etc. | 13:40 |
| sicelo | anyway, DocScrutinizer05, hope you guys are able to do something. it'd be sad if we end up on the wrong side of the law | 13:42 |
| sicelo | if there was some way to help, i would, but i don't think the current issue can be helped remotely | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who is "you guys"? I for one was very clear about not being able to do more than join an occasional meeting and worst case sign an occasional paper somebody sends to me, and this hasn't changed since | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even any of the above only on "personal invitation" since I'm not running any calendar and schedule, or todo list, for maemo | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm already overwhelmed by other similar tasks | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but first and foremost my mind can't deal with any of that anymore, particularly not with this kind of bashing and threatening | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me being fed up with this unbearable style from same direction already been the main reason for me stepping down from techstaff management while the rest of crew tried to deal with it by simply ignoring any undue offensive messages | 14:06 |
| sicelo | i hope, despite everything, some solution can be arrived at. the community will be eternally grateful | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first it needs a clear understanding of what's the problem at hand, in detail and without emotional escalation distorting the picture. AIUI a successor for chemist is needed - rather for the position/function he held in MCeV So that position needs definition available to those interested to help | 15:11 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sorry if that was to much of an outburst yesterday, I am pretty fed up with the situation. I do not hold any position as of Oct17, the "things" I am still attached to are the MCeV address (receive mail, hold on to documents and hardware, send them where they need to be sent to) and the secondary and "in-Germany" contact for the bank-account (address as well) | 16:48 |
| chem|st | the occasional signing of something includes getting it notarized for court, always! | 16:49 |
| chem|st | it is not me threatning you with my action, it is the public court, atm I hold all of you clear of that and try to convince you (as in board) that you need to act, failing to do so forces me to notify court, telling you that is no threat, it is a plain fact that I move and that I have a court-order on my desk | 16:52 |
| chem|st | I could just tell court that I am no board since 2017 and see what happens, that would be the offensive move | 16:53 |
| chem|st | Jussi tries to save jobs at nokia, Falk does not react to any of this and you deny to have any responsibilities. While the latter is ok with me, I doubt public court will be ok with it. | 16:57 |
| chem|st | Jussi said something about someone volunteered to do the postal address, that someones address needs to be on court's record, I need a document signed by two board members (that needs to be notarized) stating that this someone may receive, open and hold on to documents sent to MCeV (forgot how it is called). | 17:01 |
| chem|st | not sure if that needs to be notarized actually, but better save than sorry | 17:01 |
| chem|st | then (again two) board needs to asign a secondary (or tertiary, don't care if I stay on the account) contact for the bank-account, that someone needs to be verified by the bank and gets access to the bank-account | 17:05 |
| chem|st | the banking thing is just a safety net in case of Jussi getting hit by a bus, I will probably be available every couple of weeks, just not on a regular basis | 17:07 |
| chem|st | so in short, court needs a change of board and address notification asap (means yesterday) | 17:09 |
| chem|st | that includes a document that states that change request, this needs to be notarized - attached to it must be the signed meeting minutes, signed by who took minutes and one board member, not notarized (was fine so far) | 17:12 |
| chem|st | any change/update request to court needs to be signed by two board members, both signatures need to be notarized | 17:13 |
| chem|st | whoever took the last minutes, needs to print them and send to the board member who will send the papers to court, another board member prints the request form, sign, notarize send to first board member mentioned, he signs both, notarize, send to court, done. | 17:18 |
| chem|st | sry "needs to print and sign" | 17:18 |
| chem|st | lots to read but it isn't rocket science in the end | 17:19 |
| chem|st | the not so nice way would be to leave me hanging with that court order, forcing me to notify court and we will see what happens then... | 17:21 |
| sicelo | which minutes are these? of a board meeting? | 17:24 |
| chem|st | sicelo: General Assembly | 18:37 |
| sicelo | the last one was so long ago. that's not going to affect these papers? or a GA must be arranged ASAP first? | 18:40 |
| chem|st | sicelo: what papers? the minutes and change to board have to be reported to court, this has not been done for over 2 years iirc - the request by court is because of that, they know we have an annual meeting so they expect annual updates, if there is nothing handed in you get a reminder with the option to tell there is no change | 22:36 |
| chem|st | that reminder comes with a reminder that it is mandatory and the next mail you get will be with a deadline and a fee attached | 22:37 |
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