| KotCzarny | nice, i told you that topic was bad, now the #maemo on freenode is taken over :) | 06:56 |
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| joerg | eh, you told what? | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | about direct mentioning of 'moved to libera' | 07:01 |
| joerg | nobody did that | 07:01 |
| joerg | I explicitly avoided to tell "moved to" | 07:01 |
| joerg | also the channel has not exactly been taken over, it simply got destroyed | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, you can try contacting fn staff as they later stated 'we have erranously blahblah' | 07:02 |
| joerg | LOL fuck them | 07:02 |
| joerg | they want to get rid of us, we want to get rid of them | 07:03 |
| joerg | any more questions | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | keep in mind #maemo is +m | 07:07 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 07:29:35] <DocScrutinizer05> [Wednesday, 26 May 2021] [03:25:46 CEST]|Topic| The channel topic is "Welcome to #maemo irc:/irc.libera.chat/#maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ |"firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_maemo| #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and | 07:48 |
| joerg | maintainers of the | 07:48 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 07:29:35] <DocScrutinizer05> maemo-future meet". | 07:48 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 07:30:50] <DocScrutinizer05> so when THIS violates any FN policies then NO THANKS, see /topic | 07:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "plan to destroy freenode had failed" - freenode.net There wasn't a plan but your doing a good enough job yourself. | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | 'you're' | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | joerg: when can we expect infobot on libera? | 12:05 |
| bencoh | :( | 12:05 |
| joerg | I'm afraid I won't convince TimRiker to move infobot | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | darn | 12:06 |
| joerg | feel free to ask or bribe him :-) tim@rikers.org | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | heh, anyway, #gentoo already moved to libera | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | and lets hope more to come | 12:08 |
| joerg | #devuan, a lot of software groups | 12:09 |
| joerg | vim | 12:09 |
| joerg | archlinux ? | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | fun thing is that fn crooks dont understand what 'official' means | 12:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is it possible to get all the factiods to run another bot? | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | you can get your cloak at #libera-cloak | 13:19 |
| joerg | sixwheeledbeast: I asked Tim about a sponsored server for the bot back when, he rejected for "can't share the database, with all those privacy related data" | 14:04 |
| joerg | sixwheeledbeast: infobot listkeys ^aaaaa*; <grab all factoids in a for loop>, listkeys ^aaaab*; <rinse repeat> - you get the idea | 14:05 |
| bencoh | Should I update the wiki? | 14:08 |
| bencoh | It's still pointing to freenode | 14:09 |
| bencoh | Same with http://maemo.org/community/irc/ but I can't edit that one | 14:09 |
| bencoh | Oh and, we should probably post a news there | 14:09 |
| netman69 | yup the wiki should probly be updated indeed | 14:11 |
| netman69 | freenode is a sinking ship by the looks of it | 14:11 |
| bencoh | sad but true | 14:12 |
| netman69 | yup | 14:12 |
| bencoh | although I wish it would sink faster and people would all move at this point | 14:12 |
| netman69 | strangely makes the demise of yahoo chat feel familiar | 14:12 |
| bencoh | anyway ... what's done is done | 14:12 |
| dreamer | anything pointing to freenode should be considered linkrot at this point | 14:12 |
| netman69 | the faster it sinks the quicker the fragmentation nonsense is over yea :P | 14:12 |
| * bencoh nods | 14:12 | |
| bencoh | something tells me it will definitely mark a new low in irc use | 14:13 |
| bencoh | (many probably probably won't return to irc) | 14:13 |
| dreamer | I think "everybody" is on slack/matrix/discord already | 14:13 |
| bencoh | well, the only place I'm "on" slack is at work, because I have no other choice | 14:14 |
| bencoh | (and it's a private workspace) | 14:14 |
| dreamer | hmhm, but how many of your colleagues are on irc? | 14:14 |
| bencoh | probably 0 | 14:14 |
| dreamer | for me too | 14:14 |
| dreamer | and I have some primo nerds in my company | 14:14 |
| dreamer | mosty barely even know irc exists | 14:14 |
| dreamer | most* | 14:14 |
| dreamer | some may remember it from the 90s or something | 14:15 |
| dreamer | oh well :) | 14:15 |
| bencoh | same here yeah | 14:15 |
| dreamer | https://xkcd.com/1782/ | 14:15 |
| bencoh | that's the usual xkcd about the last nerd on irc I guess? | 14:15 |
| dreamer | hmhm | 14:15 |
| dreamer | that's us | 14:15 |
| * dreamer proud | 14:15 | |
| bencoh | :) | 14:15 |
| joerg | editing wiki and website at large would be much appreciated | 14:16 |
| dreamer | I already switched to tmux+irssi so I'm halfway there | 14:16 |
| bencoh | "2078: he announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat" haha | 14:16 |
| bencoh | I was about to say I'm still on screen+irssi | 14:16 |
| dreamer | :D | 14:16 |
| dreamer | I never use screen any more | 14:16 |
| bencoh | I still do, out of (bad?) habit | 14:16 |
| joerg | bencoh: about http://maemo.org/community/irc/ please ask techstaff (warfare , xes ) | 14:16 |
| joerg | me should finally fix weechat to use some proper X11 window stuff like qt or whatever | 14:19 |
| joerg | until then Konversation and xchat | 14:20 |
| bencoh | cli sounds better, but ... your call :> | 14:20 |
| joerg | or I simply hack konversation to get decent hooks for scripting and a rexx-alike API to control tabs etc | 14:22 |
| * Maxdamantus uses tmux + irssi even for slack at work: https://github.com/insomniacslk/irc-slack | 14:23 | |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: has irc-slack improved over the time? | 14:29 |
| bencoh | joerg: what are the current "official" channels here? | 14:34 |
| joerg | #maemo, #maemo-ssu #maemo-meeting and halfway #maemo-leste (halfway in that it's not managed by me, but I think by parazyd so it's a full legit #maemo* channel anyway) | 14:36 |
| bencoh | *nod* | 14:36 |
| joerg | ooh, #maemo-admin | 14:36 |
| bencoh | I have a feeling maemo.org should have more pointers to maemo-leste anyway, or at least include maemo-leste's rss in the planet thing | 14:37 |
| joerg | [Notice] -alis- #maemo-ui | 14:37 |
| joerg | /msg alis help list | 14:37 |
| joerg | #maemo-leste been a shot from the hip by don't know whom | 14:38 |
| bencoh | #maemo-leste was registered already, so no need to worry about it :) | 14:38 |
| joerg | I know | 14:38 |
| bencoh | ah | 14:39 |
| joerg | I just "worry" I'm not on ACL there | 14:39 |
| joerg | ;-) | 14:39 |
| bencoh | oh | 14:39 |
| joerg | then, I never been | 14:39 |
| bencoh | me neither ;) | 14:39 |
| joerg | you had OP in FN? | 14:40 |
| joerg | or meh, you need op here. Objections? | 14:40 |
| bencoh | I hardly used it, but it might get in handy I guess | 14:41 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:41:57] [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +ARefiorstv were set on bencoh in #maemo. | 14:44 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:42:14] [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +ARefiorstv were set on bencoh in #maemo-ssu. | 14:44 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:42:27] [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +ARefiorstv were set on bencoh in #maemo-meeting. | 14:44 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:43:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +ARefiorstv were set on bencoh in #maemo-admin. | 14:44 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:43:59] [Notice] -ChanServ- #maemo-ui is not registered. | 14:44 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 14:44:13] [Notice] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. | 14:44 |
| joerg | /xxx /cs flags #maemo-leste bencoh +*-OV | 14:45 |
| joerg | as I said | 14:45 |
| bencoh | :) | 14:45 |
| joerg | *.ui? neverheard | 14:45 |
| joerg | one user | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | i think most times ops were needed were during bots attacks | 14:47 |
| Maxdamantus | 00:29:05 < bencoh> Maxdamantus: has irc-slack improved over the time? | 14:48 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, gradually iirc. | 14:49 |
| Maxdamantus | I've noticed things like edits being shown. | 14:49 |
| bencoh | oh, nice | 14:49 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm sure there are other things, but I remember the lack of edits being something significant that was lacking when I started using it. | 14:50 |
| bencoh | I remember hearing complaints about channels management / wrong naming, I wonder how it behaves now | 14:50 |
| joerg | hmm? | 14:51 |
| joerg | details please | 14:51 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect that hasn't changed, but I haven't really had any problems with it. | 14:51 |
| Maxdamantus | Usually if something is too complicated, I'll just use the web client. | 14:52 |
| bencoh | joerg: I was referring to irc-slack, sorry | 14:52 |
| joerg | np | 14:52 |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: I currently run the desktop app, but ... it's kinda meh | 14:52 |
| Maxdamantus | but in general it's convenient being able to use my regular IRC usage patterns to handle chats. | 14:53 |
| Maxdamantus | I would very much rather avoid using any electron apps. | 14:53 |
| bencoh | hmm, libera.chat has no official webclient :( | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | i think they do | 15:05 |
| bencoh_kiwi | I guess that one works alright (kiwi-irc) | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe not | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | oh well, just a matter of time till they put one on web | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | anyway. are there any live stats for fn/libera ? | 15:09 |
| joerg | >>libera.chat has no official webclient<< not *yet* - will take a few more days | 15:12 |
| bencoh | I added something about kiwi irc meanwhile | 15:12 |
| joerg | KotCzarny: //users | 15:13 |
| joerg | /lusers | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | wouldnt that list all? :P | 15:13 |
| joerg | no, just stats | 15:13 |
| * KotCzarny remembers that from old days of irc trolling | 15:13 | |
| joerg | long stats, /users is short | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | - 38478 : channels formed | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | - 14627 : channels formed | 15:14 |
| joerg | long like maybe 2 dozen lines | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | not bad for a week | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | - 68982 85052 : Current global users 68982, max 85052 | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | - 18416 18416 : Current global users 18416, max 18416 | 15:14 |
| joerg | that's FN | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | first fn, then libera | 15:14 |
| joerg | vs LB | 15:14 |
| joerg | LB growing a 500/h right now | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | lots of folks will quit fn once chans are migrated too | 15:15 |
| joerg | so in 3h we got 20k | 15:15 |
| joerg | yes, but I don't really care about that | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | offtopic but funny: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick-russian-hackers-hate/ | 15:52 |
| bencoh | uh | 15:52 |
| bencoh | that's ... fun | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | joerg: you want op on -leste? I guess it makes sense since it is in maemo namespace | 16:54 |
| joerg | sure thing, I wil keep an eye on it | 17:12 |
| joerg | do you want same logbot as the other maemo channels? | 17:14 |
| joerg | it's not as pretty as whiitequark's stuff, but maybe has a better search | 17:15 |
| joerg | I patched the search over mgedmin's implementation so it does full PRE | 17:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | have all the ops been setup the same as freenode across maemo-*? | 17:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was going to update the wiki there are a few pages but I was waiting for confirmation. | 17:20 |
| joerg | not yet, since 1) not all had an account here 2) some accounts were via hostmask/vhost | 17:20 |
| joerg | plan is to have no changes I think, at least I don't see reason for deletions | 17:21 |
| joerg | can you still access /cs flags #maemo* on FN to list it? | 17:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe I haven't connected to fn since | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | joerg: ok, I will discuss with the others | 17:33 |
| joerg | sixwheeledbeast: I guess I have logs with ACL queries of all chan of last 3 days | 17:33 |
| joerg | freemangordon: ta | 17:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i have list for maemo | 17:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "*!*@Maemo/community/council/*" | 17:34 |
| joerg | yeah, that one for example is not possible yet | 17:35 |
| joerg | then, it's not exactly any meaningful nowadays either? Seems council simply went to cryosleep or gone poof or whatever | 17:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you, me, juicem_e, warfar_e, wikiwid_e, sicel_o, xe_s, benco_h, ap_t (not to highlight everyone) | 17:38 |
| joerg | :-) | 17:42 |
| joerg | /xxx /cs flags #maemo sixwheeledbeast +*-OV | 17:43 |
| joerg | oops | 17:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no permission for meeting | 17:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ssu had chemist and merlin too | 17:43 |
| joerg | we gonna do a new nifty trick though, ACL forward of the other channels (except leste?) to here so we need to only maintain _one_ ACL in _this_ channel | 17:44 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: I updated the irc page, but feel free to edit it if needed :) | 17:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ty | 17:45 |
| bencoh | actually I removed old/unusued channels from the list | 17:45 |
| bencoh | but I guess adding forwards wouldn't hurt | 17:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | log links are for freenode currently | 17:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | also this page completely out of date http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:maemo.org_IRC_cloaks | 17:48 |
| reinob | I just ssh'ed into www.maemo.org. Didn't know my account still works. Surprised it's still running Ubuntu 12.04 (!). But I guess if it ain't broke... | 18:04 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 18:00:44] [Notice] -ChanServ- Available exttargets are: | 18:04 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 18:00:44] [Notice] -ChanServ- $chanacs:#channel - Any user with channel access in the given channel | 18:04 |
| joerg | [26 May 2021 18:00:44] [Notice] -ChanServ- (including hostmasks). | 18:04 |
| joerg | I still don't completely grok it. Is this a complete forward now, or specific per flag (+o, +v, +i...) or... .oO(???) | 18:07 |
| joerg | TIL: this is a pretty useless feature, not doing what I hoped for | 18:23 |
| sicelo | (the council issue does make me sad) | 19:22 |
| bencoh | (?) | 19:33 |
| sicelo | :36 < joerg> then, it's not exactly any meaningful nowadays either? Seems council simply went to cryosleep or gone poof or whatever | 19:35 |
| bencoh | ah | 19:35 |
| joerg | sicelo: well, I don't think there been a chance to elect a new council in any meaningful manner. The community shrinked to much, at least that's my take on it. So it's fine we didn't have a drama about that at least | 19:37 |
| joerg | you could consider the last council still in charge | 19:37 |
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