libera/#maemo/ Tuesday, 2021-06-29

joergsunshavi: why not?13:15
joergI hope so13:16
joergincl seamless (FN) history and regex search13:17
sicelohow do people remain connected to the Internet when their countries are at war?16:29
bencohI guess pretty much everyone understands the importance of not severing (private?) links anyway16:30
bencohand most of the major cables aren't state-owned16:30
sicelomy country is currently experiencing a period of extreme political unrest, and as of the last 2-3 hours, mobile internet has been shut down (i assume by govt. order)16:30
bencohoh16:31
bencohwell, yeah, that's slightly different16:31
bencohI guess their intention is mob control (or rather, avoiding mob coordination)16:31
sixwheeledbeastdepends how much leverage the gov has on the telecos16:32
bencoheither that, or enforce a proper media gag order16:32
bencoh(because a gag order wouldn't mean much in the age of twitter/whatsapp)16:32
sicelogovt basically owns telco :p16:32
bencohhuhu16:32
bencohsicelo: back ~10y ago, when egypt and most of north africa revolted against their respective govt, some european organizations decided to give free access to dialup numbers for people to connect to the internet16:34
sicelothat assumes people still have access to some infrastructure, i guess16:35
bencohnowadays dialup is pretty much dead and I doubt you'd still have a dialup modem at home ...16:35
bencohyeah16:35
bencohyou could also subscribe to some satellite provider, I guess16:36
siceloi don't even have a landline :P16:36
sicelocable theft robbed me of it (and since May, I actually work for the telco)16:36
bencohassuming there is a non-gov-owned satellite operator in your area16:36
bencoh(haha)16:36
sixwheeledbeastvsat?16:36
sixwheeledbeastmaybe expensive tho16:37
sixwheeledbeastand big ping if your sensitive to that16:37
KotCzarny'you're'16:38
sixwheeledbeast'ya'16:38
bencohvsat doesn't seem to cover much of the world though (?)16:38
bencohhuh, nevermind16:39
bencohI'm actually looking at one specific company16:39
KotCzarnydid skynet launch yet?16:39
siceloturning off the mobile internet has 'worked', heh - there's an outdate IM network that quite a few people have been using, 2go. Some of the rooms there have always been full of people chatting - today no one is there16:40
siceloconclusion - the vast majority of Eswatini people depend on mobile internet16:41
siceloother ways of going online are out of reach of the average liSwati16:41
sixwheeledbeastI look after a site with 4G/VSAT/ADSL WAN's they are setup as failover when data limit is reached.16:43
sixwheeledbeastDSL is so slow its only used to remote admin on a static IP16:44
sixwheeledbeasthence the other wans16:44
KotCzarnyo.O16:44
KotCzarnyis it some antiquated dsl tech?16:45
sixwheeledbeastmany miles from a DSl exchange16:46
sixwheeledbeastand that cab has no fibre (VDSL)16:46
sicelobesides mobile internet, the next best option you can get here (if you are a working individual) is ADSL - most home packages go up to 5Mbps down.16:46
sixwheeledbeastIIRC something like .7 down .2 up16:47
sicelooh, we also now have a number of WISPs, promising much higher speeds ... they cost more however, and most of the time people end up no exactly happy with the service16:47
KotCzarnysicelo, there is also a thing called mesh networking16:48
joerggosh, 0.7 down?16:48
KotCzarnybut that requires some coordination16:48
sixwheeledbeastapparently the ISP can still justify this as "broadband" if it's 0.716:48
KotCzarnyand in any case, you have to have some wan not controlled by govt16:48
KotCzarnyswb: lol16:49
siceloKotCzarny: you're in luck ... there's only one official internet gateway out of the country :P16:49
KotCzarnyswb: we have come a long way since dialup times16:50
KotCzarnybut for many services (bah, even many webpages) 0.7 would be a choke16:51
KotCzarnyand things arent going to slim down16:52
siceloany of you ever experienced issue with Windows 10, where you install it, and after it reboots, the first startup never gets to the desktop?16:52
KotCzarnynope16:52
KotCzarnymaybe it waits for the internet?16:52
siceloi'm pulling my hair out on this - i installed it in Qemu.16:53
KotCzarnyahm, virtual16:53
bencohmight be a silly driver issue16:53
KotCzarnygraphics drives probably16:53
KotCzarnyinstall some vncserver16:54
KotCzarny(tigervnc is pretty nice)16:54
KotCzarnyvirtualization is pretty slick nowadays too16:56
KotCzarnyi gave my virtual w7 physical gpu and i can happily game on it16:56
KotCzarny:)16:57
KotCzarnybut vncserver was invaluable for the initial fight to get the drivers correct16:57
sixwheeledbeastHey it's the ISP, they can set there own rules.16:58
KotCzarny'their'16:58
sixwheeledbeastweb login to router is slow but possible.16:59
sixwheeledbeastand both 4G or VSAT have NAT and/or DHCP issue.17:00
sixwheeledbeastEven with DDNS CGNAT is broken.17:00
sixwheeledbeastI hardly get any trouble with Proton re gaming17:02
KotCzarnymy biggest problem with proton is getting it setup on slackware x8617:03
KotCzarny:)17:03
siceloKotCzarny: @internet: yes, sometimes it comes to a screen with "Why did your PC restart", and the screen recommends to connect to Internet. At that screen, I can press Shift+F10, and get cmd prompt. from that i can access the internet17:03
KotCzarnysicelo: maybe try different w10 build17:04
sicelobut ii started 20H1 and now 20H217:04
sicelo*21H217:05
KotCzarnygo older then17:05
KotCzarnydo they all fail the same way?17:05
siceloyeah17:06
sicelolet me try with vnc first17:07
siceloit's such a great pity that windows isn't meant to be troubleshooted - otherwise i could possibly find some commands to figure out what's wrong, and what to fix17:08
KotCzarnyhehe17:08
KotCzarnyalso, you can try different virtual gpus too17:09

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