joerg | sunshavi: why not? | 13:15 |
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joerg | I hope so | 13:16 |
joerg | incl seamless (FN) history and regex search | 13:17 |
sicelo | how do people remain connected to the Internet when their countries are at war? | 16:29 |
bencoh | I guess pretty much everyone understands the importance of not severing (private?) links anyway | 16:30 |
bencoh | and most of the major cables aren't state-owned | 16:30 |
sicelo | my country is currently experiencing a period of extreme political unrest, and as of the last 2-3 hours, mobile internet has been shut down (i assume by govt. order) | 16:30 |
bencoh | oh | 16:31 |
bencoh | well, yeah, that's slightly different | 16:31 |
bencoh | I guess their intention is mob control (or rather, avoiding mob coordination) | 16:31 |
sixwheeledbeast | depends how much leverage the gov has on the telecos | 16:32 |
bencoh | either that, or enforce a proper media gag order | 16:32 |
bencoh | (because a gag order wouldn't mean much in the age of twitter/whatsapp) | 16:32 |
sicelo | govt basically owns telco :p | 16:32 |
bencoh | huhu | 16:32 |
bencoh | sicelo: back ~10y ago, when egypt and most of north africa revolted against their respective govt, some european organizations decided to give free access to dialup numbers for people to connect to the internet | 16:34 |
sicelo | that assumes people still have access to some infrastructure, i guess | 16:35 |
bencoh | nowadays dialup is pretty much dead and I doubt you'd still have a dialup modem at home ... | 16:35 |
bencoh | yeah | 16:35 |
bencoh | you could also subscribe to some satellite provider, I guess | 16:36 |
sicelo | i don't even have a landline :P | 16:36 |
sicelo | cable theft robbed me of it (and since May, I actually work for the telco) | 16:36 |
bencoh | assuming there is a non-gov-owned satellite operator in your area | 16:36 |
bencoh | (haha) | 16:36 |
sixwheeledbeast | vsat? | 16:36 |
sixwheeledbeast | maybe expensive tho | 16:37 |
sixwheeledbeast | and big ping if your sensitive to that | 16:37 |
KotCzarny | 'you're' | 16:38 |
sixwheeledbeast | 'ya' | 16:38 |
bencoh | vsat doesn't seem to cover much of the world though (?) | 16:38 |
bencoh | huh, nevermind | 16:39 |
bencoh | I'm actually looking at one specific company | 16:39 |
KotCzarny | did skynet launch yet? | 16:39 |
sicelo | turning off the mobile internet has 'worked', heh - there's an outdate IM network that quite a few people have been using, 2go. Some of the rooms there have always been full of people chatting - today no one is there | 16:40 |
sicelo | conclusion - the vast majority of Eswatini people depend on mobile internet | 16:41 |
sicelo | other ways of going online are out of reach of the average liSwati | 16:41 |
sixwheeledbeast | I look after a site with 4G/VSAT/ADSL WAN's they are setup as failover when data limit is reached. | 16:43 |
sixwheeledbeast | DSL is so slow its only used to remote admin on a static IP | 16:44 |
sixwheeledbeast | hence the other wans | 16:44 |
KotCzarny | o.O | 16:44 |
KotCzarny | is it some antiquated dsl tech? | 16:45 |
sixwheeledbeast | many miles from a DSl exchange | 16:46 |
sixwheeledbeast | and that cab has no fibre (VDSL) | 16:46 |
sicelo | besides mobile internet, the next best option you can get here (if you are a working individual) is ADSL - most home packages go up to 5Mbps down. | 16:46 |
sixwheeledbeast | IIRC something like .7 down .2 up | 16:47 |
sicelo | oh, we also now have a number of WISPs, promising much higher speeds ... they cost more however, and most of the time people end up no exactly happy with the service | 16:47 |
KotCzarny | sicelo, there is also a thing called mesh networking | 16:48 |
joerg | gosh, 0.7 down? | 16:48 |
KotCzarny | but that requires some coordination | 16:48 |
sixwheeledbeast | apparently the ISP can still justify this as "broadband" if it's 0.7 | 16:48 |
KotCzarny | and in any case, you have to have some wan not controlled by govt | 16:48 |
KotCzarny | swb: lol | 16:49 |
sicelo | KotCzarny: you're in luck ... there's only one official internet gateway out of the country :P | 16:49 |
KotCzarny | swb: we have come a long way since dialup times | 16:50 |
KotCzarny | but for many services (bah, even many webpages) 0.7 would be a choke | 16:51 |
KotCzarny | and things arent going to slim down | 16:52 |
sicelo | any of you ever experienced issue with Windows 10, where you install it, and after it reboots, the first startup never gets to the desktop? | 16:52 |
KotCzarny | nope | 16:52 |
KotCzarny | maybe it waits for the internet? | 16:52 |
sicelo | i'm pulling my hair out on this - i installed it in Qemu. | 16:53 |
KotCzarny | ahm, virtual | 16:53 |
bencoh | might be a silly driver issue | 16:53 |
KotCzarny | graphics drives probably | 16:53 |
KotCzarny | install some vncserver | 16:54 |
KotCzarny | (tigervnc is pretty nice) | 16:54 |
KotCzarny | virtualization is pretty slick nowadays too | 16:56 |
KotCzarny | i gave my virtual w7 physical gpu and i can happily game on it | 16:56 |
KotCzarny | :) | 16:57 |
KotCzarny | but vncserver was invaluable for the initial fight to get the drivers correct | 16:57 |
sixwheeledbeast | Hey it's the ISP, they can set there own rules. | 16:58 |
KotCzarny | 'their' | 16:58 |
sixwheeledbeast | web login to router is slow but possible. | 16:59 |
sixwheeledbeast | and both 4G or VSAT have NAT and/or DHCP issue. | 17:00 |
sixwheeledbeast | Even with DDNS CGNAT is broken. | 17:00 |
sixwheeledbeast | I hardly get any trouble with Proton re gaming | 17:02 |
KotCzarny | my biggest problem with proton is getting it setup on slackware x86 | 17:03 |
KotCzarny | :) | 17:03 |
sicelo | KotCzarny: @internet: yes, sometimes it comes to a screen with "Why did your PC restart", and the screen recommends to connect to Internet. At that screen, I can press Shift+F10, and get cmd prompt. from that i can access the internet | 17:03 |
KotCzarny | sicelo: maybe try different w10 build | 17:04 |
sicelo | but ii started 20H1 and now 20H2 | 17:04 |
sicelo | *21H2 | 17:05 |
KotCzarny | go older then | 17:05 |
KotCzarny | do they all fail the same way? | 17:05 |
sicelo | yeah | 17:06 |
sicelo | let me try with vnc first | 17:07 |
sicelo | it's such a great pity that windows isn't meant to be troubleshooted - otherwise i could possibly find some commands to figure out what's wrong, and what to fix | 17:08 |
KotCzarny | hehe | 17:08 |
KotCzarny | also, you can try different virtual gpus too | 17:09 |
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