| houkime | offtopic - omg, have just read about Kerbal Space Program controversy with new owners TakeTwo spying on users via game and having a bs eula... And there're people who say we don't really need opensource gaming... Turns out we need. | 02:34 |
|---|---|---|
| houkime | TakeTwo even went as far as to claim their ownership on the modder content in what looks like an attempt to prevent a new foss spacegame hatching from open modded assets and scripts. | 02:54 |
| Oksana | That's like... Don't publish your photographs/anything on Internet unless you have read EULA/Terms&Conditions, and have seen that you are the owner of your content. | 03:19 |
| Oksana | In short, common sense. | 03:19 |
| houkime | I believe some of modded stuff is even on github under gpl3 or similar but still this corp is claiming sth. I guess what's on github is relatively safe as TakeTwo should not win a lawsuit under any sane jurisdiction. | 03:24 |
| houkime | Like it is if I proclaim myself an owner of Linux. | 03:24 |
| houkime | *an exclusive rights owner. | 03:25 |
| houkime | and try to make any copy illegal without my blessing | 03:25 |
| houkime | the thing is they proclaim their ownership AFTER the mods are made. | 03:27 |
| houkime | because they weren't a game owners when modders were starting up. They are the new ones. | 03:28 |
| houkime | so technically KSP community still can start their own game with modded assets that were properly licensed and that they already have. Not sure they would do that though. | 03:33 |
| houkime | It was a thing with Portal2 though when modmakers branched off and made their own gamestudio (partly reusing modded assets) so it is not impossible. | 03:34 |
| * Oksana is not interested in computer games - waste of time, and increase obesity due to the encouraged sedentary life-style. But that's my personal opinion, and I tend to be very opinionated at times. | 03:38 | |
| houkime | I personally think that games and fiction is just another form of planning and presenting/simulating concepts. | 03:40 |
| Oksana | Possibly. I am well familiar with concept of spending lots of time on fiction - reading is one of my favourite pastimes. | 03:41 |
| * Oksana looks at http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html and wonders where FM TX/RX is connected to 3.5mm - FM receiver uses 3.5mm headset as antenna, doesn't it? | 03:42 | |
| Oksana | Ah, here. FM_ANT | 03:44 |
| houkime | emm... Why should it use a headset as antenna? There is just an antenna for that. | 03:45 |
| houkime | it has a place on the pcb and I actually showed it in my video | 03:45 |
| Oksana | FM transmitter has internal antenna. FM receiver always uses headphone as antenna for reception. | 03:45 |
| Oksana | Transmitting FM for a short distance is doable with tiny internal antenna. Receiving FM from a far away station is better done with long whip-like antenna - aka, headphone. | 03:46 |
| houkime | hmmm. This makes sense | 03:47 |
| Oksana | Transmitting FM via an external antenna would have broken the regulations, probably, due to jamming the radio waves. Hence, transmitting via internal antenna only. | 03:47 |
| Oksana | Question: Can Neo900 play radio when OS/CPU is shut down? Because http://www.ti.com/product/tlv320aic34 has the functionality for it. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, makes sense and Oksana has it 10% correct | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100 even | 03:49 |
| Oksana | One of obvious use-cases would be to have radio-alarm (and yes, alarm can already ring when OS/CPU is shut down; but it rings currently from an audio file) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: I tried to implement it this way (play radio without CPU support) but I forgot if I achieved it | 03:50 |
| * Oksana points to https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Audio_Codec | 03:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly I did | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait wait. what? Radio Alarm? | 03:50 |
| Oksana | Yes. Like, ordinary clock+alarm devices have radio-alarm functionality built-in, most of the time. But they all need 240V power supply. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we have the FM radio in/out simply in parallel to line-in/out | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if that's true, you could even hook your home stereo to 3.5mm line-out and play FM radio with CPU powered down ;-D | 03:52 |
| Oksana | Since alarm can wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down, and radio can be played even when OS/CPU is shut down, it means that it is possible for wake-up alarm to play radio instead of audio file. | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which alarm could "wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down" (and stays shut down, and how)? | 03:53 |
| Oksana | Not sure about "stays shut down", because alarm usually asks user "Switch on the device? Yes/No" | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any RTC alarm would simply power up or nonmaskable-IRQ the CPU | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, CPU then notices it been woke up by RTC alarm and pops up such a requester if needed | 03:55 |
| Oksana | Hmm, so CPU has already woken up due to alarm, partially. Just hasn't loaded the whole OS/desktop, yet? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the question is misleading, should be "keep the device powered up, or go to power-down state again?" | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, afk again | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm busted | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasted? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zombie | 03:57 |
| Oksana | Rest well :-) | 03:58 |
| houkime | wpwrak says that he doesn't have enough time so I'm currently trying to make eeshow to work with both kicad5 and kicad4 | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re FM ant: I changed that a bit, so both FM RX and TX whould work via internal and headset whip antenna, though to a massively different degree of functionality | 03:59 |
| Oksana | Huh, fascinating... | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus internal had 3rd function for WWAN MIMO | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in 3G | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4G? | 04:02 |
| Oksana | Currently reading http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Chipset , I guess USB PHY is used in Neo900 (unlike N900), because TWL5030B is connected to USB#0 (and modem to USB#1 and hackerbus to USB#2)? | 04:03 |
| Oksana | >> MIMO has become an essential element of wireless communication standards including IEEE 802.11n (Wi-Fi), IEEE 802.11ac (Wi-Fi), HSPA+ (3G), WiMAX (4G), and Long Term Evolution (LTE 4G). << | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | houkime: great | 04:05 |
| houkime | the changes are in sch files and .pro and they are related to symbol lookup in libraries. | 04:07 |
| houkime | so basically there needs to be 2 lookup modes now separate for kicad4 an kicad5 | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, AND the tricky story starts with version control system aka git, and the correlating between lib component version and project file schematics version | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW when you open a schematics from Dec 2017, you want the symbols from Dec 2017 which originally been used when the schematics got drawn | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kicad has a few concepts in this regard that are invented by a troll with a gas brain. | 05:00 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!