| * enyc meows | 15:19 | |
| enyc | clapont: olleh! | 15:19 |
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| dos1 | fyi: Purism just confirmed that Librem 5 will use PLS8 as its modem | 17:42 |
| dos1 | also, apparently NXP released a new "software stack" at the beginning of February, which fixes their power consumption and heating issues | 17:43 |
| dos1 | wth i.MX8M | 17:43 |
| dos1 | https://puri.sm/posts/massive-progress-exact-cpu-selected-minor-shipping-adjustment/ | 17:43 |
| bencoh | oh! | 18:08 |
| slobber | oh how did i miss that post | 18:55 |
| slobber | i feel like i've subscribed to notifications of that stuff | 18:55 |
| slobber | that kinda looks like a very laggy experience | 18:56 |
| dos1 | I think it might be llvmpipe on the video, entaviv is apparently still pretty glitchy on the gc7000. I know that they have some fixes on a non-default branch though | 19:02 |
| dos1 | (that "software stack" seems to be 4.14 BSP kernel from NXP) | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: many thanks! :-) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so they still didn't find any better modem than we have. Kinda sad, since the PLS8 is sort of sub-par meanwhile | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe they simply copy Neo900 (or STEP2) | 23:07 |
| atk | It's funny | 23:09 |
| atk | I think I remember telling them that what they were promising to deliver was going to be very hard to do in their submission form for what people wanted in the phone. | 23:10 |
| atk | Way back when | 23:10 |
| dos1 | their devkits used SIM7100 | 23:10 |
| atk | well, good luck to them | 23:10 |
| dos1 | btw. Gemalto offers now some new data-only modules like PLAS9, with higher speeds and USB 3.0. I guess it's a matter of time for PLS8 successor to arrive as well | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought PLS8 was going obsolete quite some time ago already, when they launcged their equivalent automotive-only series (might even be the PAS8 or somesuch). Anyway voicecalls vanisg as supported feature more and more | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so soon you will only be able to source data-obly modem modules, and SoCs with integrated great modem IP that are totally closed crap, aimed at smartphone manufs doing millions of devices | 23:21 |
| norly | DocScrutinizer05: so the project could use a full phone SoC as a modem, and another SoC as the application processor - there, hardware separation (TM) ;) | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on top, the "ecosystem" at large has no alterative to bending over to Google's "mainframe computing" approach which does even voice recognition and map routing off-board | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | norly: yes, in theory that would work | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we should take advantage from this situation and actually design a gadget that's a *complete smartphone* tethered to a complete linux PC, in one shell | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep the smartphone display in a window of the linux PC desktop, via VNC or whatever | 23:26 |
| norly | a phone in a phone? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you like to put it that way. | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd rather call it "a phone in a palmtop PC" | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I'm in a mental crisis with my definition of the threat model I want to protect against | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | example: not diclosing your contacts to google and whatsapp doesn't help you much since all your contacts already did disclose *you* as one of their contacts | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they did even when you refuse to use whatsapp | 23:34 |
| norly | so it's all a lost cause? i don't think that's true - it's still nice to know that nobody can DMA your credentials out of your RAM, thanks to hardware separation | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but this alone doesn't create a sufficient momentum to develop and produce a device according to those standards | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for the high security market, like governments, military, industry | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem isn't *I* think (or not think) it's a lost case. The problem is the masses think so, and want free (as in beer) great apps on cheap hardware, even when they pay by videorecording their bedroom every nigght | 23:41 |
| norly | how about you offer two editions of the phone? one where you pay the proper price, and one where it's free, but it records their bedroom? | 23:45 |
| varu | then you better monetize the bedroom recordings :( | 23:46 |
| norly | after all, some people are happy to have cheaper phones in exchange or seeing ads on the lock screen | 23:46 |
| norly | sure, monetizing them is the plan, isn't it? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what we got is a ecosystem where speech recognition is done on google's servers despite yur smartphone outperforms a top notch desktop PC of 8 years ago, while that massive computing power on your smartphone gets used to render silly GFX special effects, and getting exploited to mine bitcoins for rogue virus websites | 23:46 |
| norly | anyway, let's not go down the road of such disturbing business ideas | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it took me like 20 years to reach that point where I'm now, and I'm afraid it will take me at least 10 years to get out of this pit again | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I had focused on automotive instead mobile communications a 20 years ago, I'd develop autonomously driving card today and probably be a much happier person | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cars* | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saying this since actually 20 years ago all my professional involvements were with automotive, and telecommunications was at best my humble contribution to twinklephone SIP VoIP | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then a 10 years and some ago, Openmoko lured me in | 23:56 |
| norly | thanks for the work you are doing | 23:57 |
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