ArchiFleKs | /!\ ATTN: Τһіs channeⅼ has mⲟⅴed to irc.freenഠdᥱ.ᥒеt #/joiᥒ /!\ | 00:28 |
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MinceR | SPAMALARM | 01:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | honestly? | 01:08 |
MinceR | yeah | 01:08 |
MinceR | this time the only activity this window had was a line of spam | 01:08 |
MinceR | and i saw another earlier | 01:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so two spams today? | 01:09 |
MinceR | no, 1 spam today | 01:09 |
MinceR | it's 1:09 | 01:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | alternative: you go +O (permanent op) to catch those poor lads who are not authenticated but are innocent users coming here to ask devuan questions | 01:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the final goal is to keep the channel as welcoming and user friendly as possible | 01:12 |
MinceR | i could massvoice regularly, i already do so on 2 other channels | 01:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 01:12 |
MinceR | might be a bit noisy here though, as there are 244 unvoiced users :) | 01:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, no, that doesn't help either since it doesn't catch those who join in and ask a question, not realizing they are +q | 01:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and noisy is bad. 2 one-liner spams per day are less noisy than all that mass-voicing etc | 01:14 |
MinceR | ok | 01:14 |
MinceR | what if one of the newbs we want to welcome believes the spammer? :> | 01:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 01:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | trying to answer this honestly, the damage done by them believing it is no worse than them thinking the whole channel simply ignores them | 01:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | last one I can spot searching for ATTN: [2018-11-01 07:47:04] <rhorama3> ᜵!⧵ ATTN: | 01:19 |
MinceR | they might be using homoglyphs for that part too | 01:21 |
MinceR | as they do for the rest | 01:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm [2018-11-04 15:02:02] <rasb_> ∕﹗\ АTTN | 01:21 |
MinceR | 05 002813 < ArchiFleKs> /!\ ATTN: | 01:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I still think up to maybe two spams per day are tolerable | 01:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even 3 | 01:22 |
MinceR | i guess so | 01:22 |
MinceR | but having 0/day is just so tempting | 01:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if it wouldn't come with collateral damage | 01:23 |
gnarface | anyone here using timidity alot notice any recent changes to how it ties up the soundcard by default? | 03:04 |
lem-fr26 | /!\ ATΤⲚ⁚ Ꭲһiѕ cһɑᥒneⅼ haѕ mo⋁eⅾ to irⅽ.freenoⅾᥱ․ᥒet #/јⲟiᥒ ᜵!\ | 03:26 |
nacelle | totes legit , i'm sure... | 04:31 |
syme2 | ⧸︕\ ΑTTⲚ: This channel hɑѕ ⅿⲟvеd to irⅽ.frеenοde.nᥱt #/join /ⵑ\ | 07:58 |
refp24 | /!\ AΤTN: Thiѕ chɑnnᥱl hɑs ⅿovеԁ to іrc․freеᥒoⅾe.net #/joⅰᥒ /ⵑ⧹ | 08:18 |
MinceR | is it massvoice time? :> | 09:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | massop time | 09:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check something | 09:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 09:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hail IRC command syntax orthogonality :-S | 09:32 |
MinceR | :) | 09:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway MinceR please if you wouldn't mind, stay +o to catch the poor lads who come here without being authenticated | 09:34 |
MinceR | ok | 09:34 |
MinceR | here goes nothing | 09:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ohmygod | 09:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no THATS annoying | 09:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | now* | 09:35 |
MinceR | it only needs to be done once though :) | 09:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and almost completely pointless too | 09:36 |
MinceR | why? | 09:36 |
MinceR | spambots don't wait to be voiced | 09:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | users neither | 09:36 |
xrogaan | #opennic kick people who talks too soon. | 09:37 |
MinceR | users should learn irc skills :> | 09:37 |
xrogaan | "Woops, you just entered the channel. You should wait a bit to start to talk." | 09:37 |
MinceR | kicking after the talking's done is too late, as then we'll see the first line of the spam, as we did lately | 09:37 |
MinceR | Sigyn caught the spammers, but not before they've sent the first line | 09:37 |
xrogaan | not if you direct the sentences to the op for the unvoiced | 09:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | #and you don't catch the users that just joined channel | 09:38 |
xrogaan | it's the +z mode | 09:38 |
xrogaan | z (reduced moderation) | The effects of +b, +q, and +m are relaxed. For each message, if that message would normally be blocked by one of these modes, it is instead sent to channel operators (+o). | 09:39 |
MinceR | does Sigyn tolerate being opped? | 09:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, please explain it to MinceR, seems he's not aware we got it | 09:39 |
xrogaan | so they have a bot who receive everything non-voiced send | 09:39 |
xrogaan | and if it's too soon, it kicks them. | 09:39 |
MinceR | yeah, i wasn't aware of it | 09:39 |
MinceR | and i didn't see Sigyn being opped either | 09:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | +z is the reason for sigjen +o | 09:40 |
gnarface | i'm already authenticated though, i shouldn't need a voice | 09:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^!! | 09:40 |
xrogaan | spambots can auth too | 09:40 |
MinceR | sure, but /voice -yes doesn't know who's authenticated and it's easier this way :) | 09:40 |
MinceR | we'll cross that bridge when we get there | 09:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 09:41 |
MinceR | plus having to auth gives ircops another chance to intercept them | 09:41 |
xrogaan | don't care, got a voice. | 09:41 |
gnarface | have these spam bots been authenticating? i thought that was their one weakness | 09:41 |
MinceR | they haven't | 09:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 09:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but we don't want +vvvv spam in channel either | 09:42 |
MinceR | maintaining voiced status is a lot less spammy | 09:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since those msgs can't even get ignored in most clients | 09:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 09:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I've set +q $~a which worked excellent so far. Now you say >>maintaining voiced status is a lot less spammy<< which is not exactly what I see here | 09:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it spammed 2 screenfull of shit | 09:44 |
gnarface | i'm pretty sure there's a way to do that so the messages go back in PM instead of in channel | 09:44 |
gnarface | i could be wrong | 09:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 09:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and again, it's pretty much pointless | 09:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | IOW prolly nothing changed at all by this mass +vvvv | 09:46 |
MinceR | except for letting unauthenticated non-spambots talk | 09:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the channel is +zq §~a | 09:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and I asked you to stay +o to handle exactly that | 09:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thought you understood | 09:48 |
MinceR | and i did exactly that | 09:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 09:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you spammed channel with a evidently pointless mass +vvvv | 09:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | evidently since I've not seen a single post of any of the users you just +v'ed, when I was +o during the last weeks | 09:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not of any user that suffered the +q | 09:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so that mass +vvvv won't have any effect | 09:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | except spamming the channel | 09:50 |
MinceR | it lets me voice all new users later with a simple command, after making sure they're not spambots | 09:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? | 09:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | please do NOT spam the channel by +v every user who joins. Many users have "hide join" for a reason, the >> *** MinceR sets mode: +vvvv jaro...<< lines can't get ignored, and this is what made #freenode almost unbearable | 09:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'll stay +o so I *see* unauthenticated unvoiced regular users' posts nevertheless. I asked you to help by also staying +o. If you don't want to, too bad. But please don't kill fire with nukes and spam the channel with mass voicing | 09:59 |
detha | That. +v shouldn't be used to undo +q. Some channels have auto +v for ops so one can quickly see whom to bug (or things like #cisco where +v means you have a CCIE) | 10:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | detha: it been used to tag official bots in here. So quite similar | 14:45 |
detha | that makes sense. this doesn't | 14:46 |
MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: ok | 15:01 |
MinceR | i can't promise that i will realize that a user who speaks is not identified though, as my client does not support the freenode protocol extension which puts that in the message | 15:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's my problem as well :-) | 15:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I can hover over the user in user list and see if an account is shown in popup | 15:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so when a user posts a question and I realize nobody takes notice, I gonna check | 15:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | alternative: /ns info <USER> | 15:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | apropos extensions: I heard of those only recently. Which clients would support IRC-V3? | 15:06 |
MinceR | whois reveals it too | 15:10 |
nemo | DocScrutinizer05: https://ircv3.net/software/clients.html ? | 15:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nemo: great, thanks! | 15:11 |
nemo | I've been watching it on and off for a while. rooting for IRCv3 just as general desire to have more consensus protocols as opposed to walled gardens | 15:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >> <e> you could look at <https://ircv3.net/software/clients.html>. of the features in that table, we support account-notify, extended-join, multi-prefix, and sasl v3.1 (i think) and we will soon(TM) support monitor, away-notify and chghost << | 15:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | now I have something to chew on, to figure if I even want any of those extensions FN supports and my client doesn't | 15:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | prolly I should find a nice client made in python and tweak it to my liking | 15:30 |
* DocScrutinizer05 searches since ages for a client that allows to assign alias nicks and remarks/qualifiers to users | 15:32 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | and post-logging ignore, aka display-ignore: simply hide/unhide a user by a mouseclick | 15:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even such simple stuff like "scroll back to last highlight" - I see by colored chan tab there been a highlight but NFC when, so I need to manually scan all backscroll to spot it | 15:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "/hide ~$highlight" :-D | 15:41 |
MinceR | well, kvirc has a user database | 15:44 |
MinceR | not sure if it was ever used for anything other than ignore, though | 15:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sounds useful | 15:44 |
* DocScrutinizer05 puts item on todo list: "check kiwiirc" | 15:45 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | webirc client, ohmy | 15:46 |
* DocScrutinizer05 tries hard to believe in "web browser is just another specialized interpreter" | 15:47 | |
MinceR | web browser is a wonderful way of making programs more bloated | 15:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 15:53 |
nemo | I'm using irssi, but nowhere near "latest dev" | 15:53 |
nemo | but if there was a compelling reason I'd install it | 15:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | irssi is too terminal | 15:53 |
nemo | hate restarting my irssi sessions though | 15:53 |
nemo | ♥ tmux | 15:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err, could somebody please translate this to english for me: >>Servers - Control which servers kiwi users can connect to. It's your network.<< https://kiwiirc.com/ | 15:56 |
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head | 15:57 | |
MinceR | when you run a kiwiirc on your webserver, you can configure it to specify what ircd-s it is allowed to connect to | 15:57 |
nemo | um. I guess the per.. | 15:57 |
nemo | yeah | 15:57 |
MinceR | or something like that | 15:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 15:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: ta! | 15:57 |
MinceR | np | 15:57 |
* DocScrutinizer05 is so totally unused to the concept of webapps | 15:59 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | still not "your network" ;-P | 16:00 |
nemo | DocScrutinizer05: you're not gonna run an open relay right? | 16:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you bet I won't | 16:01 |
nemo | kk. then doesn't really matter | 16:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe devuan wants to? ;-D | 16:02 |
nemo | hm. well. presumably devuan would at best want easy access to like #devuan from website for support right | 16:02 |
nemo | at that point might as well use the freenode web client | 16:02 |
buZz | nemo: i got a compelling reason for 'current dev irssi' version \o/ | 16:02 |
nemo | buZz: oh? | 16:03 |
buZz | nemo: they made OTR support native | 16:03 |
buZz | :) | 16:03 |
nemo | ah. hm. | 16:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I for one would rather run a local apache to load that kiwiirc from, than using this webirc thing hosted by any 3rd party | 16:03 |
nemo | buZz: you know, I've used OTR exactly once in 20 years | 16:03 |
nemo | mostly just to try it out | 16:03 |
nemo | buZz: but I guess if I wanted to hold a truly private conversation on freenode it'd be essential | 16:04 |
buZz | np nemo ;) i really disliked the OTR plugin externally | 16:04 |
buZz | and am really happy they made it native, it was a compelling reason to me :) | 16:04 |
nemo | DocScrutinizer05: well... if it's just to relay folks to freenode, using their client kinda makes it their problem | 16:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:05 |
buZz | kiwiirc isnt foss, is it? | 16:05 |
nemo | DocScrutinizer05: if there's another bot attack or whatnot and they start banning various things they'll probably make sure their client works | 16:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: must be foss, it's sponsored by PIA | 16:05 |
buZz | oh, it is | 16:05 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: ROFL | 16:05 |
buZz | wtf nonsense did you just utter :P | 16:05 |
nemo | DocScrutinizer05: during last attack I set the voice restrictions to all registered and all freenode webchat, everyone else needed to be explicitly voiced | 16:05 |
nemo | haven't changed it yet actually. wonder if the attack is over | 16:05 |
buZz | 'kiwiirc.com' is owned by that mtgox dude | 16:05 |
buZz | who also bought PIA and freenode | 16:06 |
buZz | has nothing to do with foss ;) | 16:06 |
buZz | just monies | 16:06 |
nemo | buZz: uh wow. freenode got bought? I kinda missed that | 16:06 |
buZz | nemo: yeah a year ago or something | 16:06 |
buZz | around when the spam started | 16:06 |
nemo | huh. got a link? | 16:06 |
nemo | er. spam started just 2 months ago no? | 16:06 |
nemo | I mean the serious spam | 16:06 |
buZz | no | 16:06 |
nemo | there were some minor ones prior | 16:06 |
buZz | nope | 16:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: sorry I have to disagree, those are my colleagues | 16:07 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i can see how that would cloud yr judgement yes | 16:07 |
nemo | buZz: got a link to the purchase? | 16:07 |
buZz | sure, 1mom | 16:07 |
buZz | https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn | 16:07 |
buZz | here's the actual owner ; https://londontrustmedia.com/ | 16:07 |
buZz | (who also owns PIA) | 16:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | incorrect afaik, This is not the *owner* of FN | 16:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | FN is self-owned | 16:08 |
nemo | yeah. was gonna say | 16:08 |
buZz | 1mom | 16:09 |
nemo | although, you know, in same way that people critique mozilla getting 95% of funding from google | 16:09 |
nemo | presumably money clouds one's choices | 16:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I got a view from inside on that and I think here it doesn't | 16:10 |
buZz | https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/officers <-- | 16:10 |
buZz | LEE, Andrew | 16:10 |
buZz | Correspondence address | 16:10 |
buZz | 1550 Wewatta St., 2nd Floor #3152, Denver, Colerado, Usa, 80202 | 16:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, Andrew Lee I chatted with a 10h ago | 16:11 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: and you know what company he works at? | 16:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | he doesn't "work at a company" anymore. He has enough money to simply sponsor stuff | 16:12 |
buZz | right ;) | 16:12 |
buZz | thats what ownership means, buying stuff | 16:12 |
buZz | if he was a sponsor, he wouldnt be on freenode board ;) | 16:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see your complaints | 16:13 |
buZz | thats ok? | 16:13 |
buZz | i wasnt complaining at all | 16:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | spoiler: LTM/PIA also sponsors Neo900 and even partially / subproject of devuan | 16:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and there's a massive campaign inside PIA to FOSS everything they have | 16:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Andrew feels like IRC saved his life and he wants to give back | 16:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/fight-control-andrew-lee-open-sourcing-pia | 16:22 |
buZz | they also sponsor an attack on ICANN's authority ;) | 16:24 |
buZz | that 'handshake' stuff | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | handshake, yes | 16:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the details are beyond my paygrade, despite me being a part of it | 16:32 |
buZz | very transparant ;) | 16:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 16:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I simply don't have the time to acquire expertise in all that stuff | 16:33 |
buZz | thats cool | 16:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | got other fish to fry | 16:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. last 24h we discussed how tro tackle threats to user privacy and integrity from that cesspool that is Android ecosystem | 16:37 |
buZz | :) i decided a while ago that people who want privacy shouldnt carry always-on radios that run proprietary software on them | 16:42 |
buZz | so, just have a deskphone now | 16:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | valid approach | 16:42 |
buZz | i dont see android or ios or windowsmobileCE specifically to blame, more than baseband/simcard software | 16:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's the "free as in beer" mindset | 16:43 |
buZz | well i do like beer | 16:43 |
buZz | but i'm fine to pay for it | 16:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | baseband is the domain of evil, but you don't _have_ to surrender. Apps otoh which want to get access to your location to enable you play fart sounds... baseband totally unrelated | 16:45 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: you dont? you know any open baseband&simcard platform? | 16:45 |
buZz | all i know is osmocombb , which doesnt pertain the simcard part | 16:46 |
buZz | and afaik osmocombb isnt feature rich enough for smartphone usage | 16:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, there isn't and basically can't be. But that's what Neo900 is all about: find other better ways to deal with this situation | 16:46 |
buZz | also, only supports 1 ancient platform | 16:46 |
buZz | the TI Calypso | 16:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | forget osmocom, it isn't meant and will never be suited for solvinf that problem | 16:47 |
buZz | right, so i dont see any reason to trust any other baseband :P | 16:47 |
buZz | in pyra (and i assume neo900) the baseband power can be completely cut | 16:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | your baseband needs to get certified, and a true FOSS implementation that's not locked down by "secure bootloader" can't get that cert | 16:48 |
buZz | yeah exactly, so 'dont use FOSS, its for your safety' | 16:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you don't trust the baseband, that's the whole point | 16:49 |
buZz | that, to me, isnt a trustable platform, and baseband can just get OTA flashes from providers | 16:49 |
nemo | buZz: hm. an other-wise FOSS device couldn't keep the baseband sufficiently jailed? | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | please take that to #neo900 or #oipenmoko or even #maemo | 16:50 |
buZz | nemo: all communications go through baseband, it can access it all | 16:50 |
buZz | (at least, all mobile) | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sandboxing the whole modem is the key | 16:50 |
nemo | buZz: I assume everything that's not encrypted is monitored. | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you can't evaluate a complete 100MB code size baseband firmware anyway | 16:51 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: so we should just give up? :D | 16:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, in this channel prlease just give up | 16:51 |
buZz | gee dude | 16:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite OT in here | 16:51 |
buZz | sorry you're so annoyed , i didnt mean to | 16:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and too complex to be tolerable as OT topic in here | 16:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 16:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm | 16:53 |
buZz | i dont get wtf the relevance of those links are :P | 16:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's your problem | 16:53 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: we dont discuss problems? | 16:54 |
buZz | keep in mind, you started this topic ;) | 16:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | those links point you into a direction where you could learn about the problems you mentioned and how to deal with them the right way | 16:55 |
buZz | i just see neo900 promotion | 16:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway privacy threats in Android are basically completely unrelated to baseband topic | 16:56 |
buZz | probably yeah, thats why you arent using it, right? | 16:56 |
buZz | no need to use something you dont trust | 16:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:57 |
buZz | oh, you -are- using android? | 16:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | now THIS is totally pointless to discuss | 16:57 |
buZz | eh ok | 16:57 |
buZz | :P | 16:57 |
buZz | you keep starting topics you dont want to talk about , you do realize this? :P | 16:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 16:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I explain to you a 4th time now: baseband is unrelated to 99.99% of privacy threats seen in smartphone ecosystems | 17:00 |
buZz | cool | 17:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the threats get introduced by roiogue apps | 17:01 |
buZz | i agree, its a horrible ecosystem | 17:01 |
buZz | but , its built on a shady underlining tech, thats what i said | 17:01 |
buZz | even just replacing entire android with some linux distro, doesnt make the hardware itself more trustable | 17:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and I already told you the way to sanitite that shady tech is sandboxing, not baseband firmware audit | 17:02 |
buZz | sure, but you cant sandbox 'your only link to outside world' | 17:03 |
buZz | it'll -always- be OTA flashable by 'not you' | 17:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 17:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but please, this is OT in here | 17:03 |
buZz | so, it cant be trustable | 17:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since you're spinning in circles. A 3 lines up I told you that auditing (trusting) baseband isn't the goal since not feasible | 17:05 |
buZz | i dont see 'its difficult' as any reason to give up desires -ever- | 17:06 |
buZz | hell, if it was, neo900 would never finish, right? :) | 17:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | first OT warning | 17:07 |
buZz | geez dude | 17:08 |
buZz | you start topics and then attack ppl for offtopic | 17:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | postscriptum re Andrew Lee: https://irc.com/ | 19:13 |
buZz | DocScrutinizer05: what does that have to do with devuan? | 19:59 |
buZz | i wonder why he never mentions he was behind mtgox though | 20:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it is a postscriptum providing the link for a previous discussion >><buZz> 'kiwiirc.com' is owned by that mtgox dude - who also bought PIA and freenode - has nothing to do with foss <DocScrutinizer05> Andrew feels like IRC saved his life and he wants to give back<< | 20:02 |
buZz | right, i heard that narrative prior | 20:03 |
buZz | -i- would be very happy if IRC would -not- turn into a VC platform :P | 20:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 20:04 |
buZz | which does seem to be his plan | 20:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, from what I hear in chats with him, it's definitely not | 20:04 |
buZz | > IRC Ventures (VC/Incubation on IRC!) | 20:04 |
buZz | ? | 20:04 |
buZz | or that gambling idea > IRC Gaming (We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes!) | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | BTW all this stuff it quite OT | 20:05 |
buZz | <3 | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | just my 2 cents | 20:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I think a lot of this is a tad fuzzy and not very precisely specified | 20:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yet? | 20:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: it is | 20:06 |
buZz | thats why you dug it up again :P | 20:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: it went OT when discussing who owns kiwiirc | 20:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: you see PM? | 20:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | icebreaker: please authenticate to nickserv, you're not visible to channel. See /topic | 20:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | icebreaker: /msg nickserv ID <YOURPASSWORD> | 20:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so | 20:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv help identify | 20:24 |
plasma41 | I am personally against the practice of requiring nick registration in a support channel. | 20:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plasma41: yes, I tend to agree, but we need this to fight spam | 20:25 |
icebreaker | msg nickserv help identify does not work, nothing happens when i type that, same with password | 20:26 |
plasma41 | DocScrutinizer05: Simply kicking unregistered nicks who post in the first five seconds after joining should take care of the majority of drive-by spammers. | 20:28 |
plasma41 | Hello icebreaker, how can we help you today? | 20:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plasma41: we're well trained to employ all applicable means | 20:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and freenode provides support like Sigyn | 20:29 |
plasma41 | Better a little spam slipping through, than adding barriers to those seeking help. | 20:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | HelloInternet: use /whois HelloInternet | 20:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you should see >>[Whois] HelloInternet is logged in as .... << | 20:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you also should see reply from nickserv on /msg nickserv help identify | 20:32 |
HelloInternet | i think it works | 20:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you got voiced so for now it works | 20:33 |
HelloInternet | cool thx | 20:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | however you should sort your IRC client settings to get auto-authenticated on joining the network | 20:33 |
HelloInternet | my question was: Hello everyone! I just downloaded the latest Version of Qt from their website because i need version 5.11 for compiling another Programm. Now the Qt Installer made a Qt dir in my ~/Qt and put everything in there and not into /bin ... can i break something if i copy it manually and maybe replace existing files?? | 20:34 |
HelloInternet | i will try that | 20:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-11-05 20:34:33] [Notice] -NickServ- HelloInternet has NOT COMPLETED registration verification | 20:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | HelloInternet: you should have received an email which you need to process (send the command provided in there) | 20:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | HelloInternet: note that registering and identifying (authenticating) are two different things. You registered your account but you didn't identify to it yet | 20:37 |
plasma41 | HelloInternet: I would recommend you install the qtbase5-dev package from Devuan Testing. | 20:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plasma41: you might find this informative: https://freenode.net/news/spamfilter | 20:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plasma41: during last 24h we tried to lift the +q ban on unauthenticated users. We might try agan eventually, didn't pan out today | 20:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I guess as long as (number of unregistered users posting here in vain) > (number of SPAM oneliners that slipped through serverside filtering), we should lift the ban. So, since >>[2018-11-05 21:03:15] <zaibitsu> which is the root pass for a new install? <<, trying it once more to -q $~a | 23:44 |
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