| Starbeamrainbowl | That might be a simpler path if it's plausible | 00:00 |
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| tuxd3v | Starbeamrainbowl, rockchip 3308 has no dts file in Mainline Kernel, at least on 5.4 series :( | 00:08 |
| tuxd3v | ONly in mainline 5.x series is first commits for kernel support for 3308 here: | 00:17 |
| tuxd3v | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?h=v5.5-rc4&id=eb275167d18684e07ee43bdc0e09a18326540461 | 00:17 |
| tuxd3v | and 2 boards beelink A1 | 00:18 |
| tuxd3v | in kernel 5.4 there are support for Nanopi Neo2 and NeoPlus2, at dts level, tought I don't know .. the "kinf of support.." | 00:20 |
| tuxd3v | to give you an example, only in 5.4 are there some relatively initial support for OrangePine Plus( H6 ) | 00:21 |
| tuxd3v | in 5.5 will come other things, but still is not a platform completly supported.. | 00:22 |
| tuxd3v | expect always some thing to not be supported.. | 00:22 |
| tuxd3v | Th sunxi community as better documentation, and allwinner has more supported boards than rockchip.. | 00:23 |
| tuxd3v | but both, have a big lack of support in mainline, if you look from certain perspectives.. | 00:24 |
| tuxd3v | which means that a lot of boards out there will run Old kernels, mostly Android kernels.. | 00:25 |
| tuxd3v | things like 4.4 series.. is very comon | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | the numbers mean nothing, but if they old all the development close to their chest.. tomorrow they could choose not to continue giving drivers to users, and you will be blocked | 00:27 |
| tuxd3v | that s the advantage of mainline.. you give once, and you can't block no one anymore.. :) | 00:28 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | tuxd3v Ah, that's a shame. I'm not sure what a dts file is, but I assume it's required for support. It's the Soc of the Rock Pi S. | 00:28 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | Thanks for the extensive info! | 00:28 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | So I want to make absolutely sure that any board I buy has mainline kernel support | 00:29 |
| tuxd3v | dts is the Hardware Description File in code of A board.. | 00:29 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | Ah, right | 00:29 |
| tuxd3v | Linux kernel will then use that file to know what is supported here, and how | 00:29 |
| tuxd3v | so you need always Soc Support | 00:30 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | Right | 00:30 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | got it | 00:30 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | It is a bit baffling why companies develop these boards and don't bother to invest in OS support. What use is an ARM board without an OS, anyway lol | 00:30 |
| tuxd3v | and dts support to get it to work( of course first you need uboot support :) ) | 00:30 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | uboot is like grub for arm devices? | 00:31 |
| tuxd3v | they are some strange OS options with old kernels, which is what they chip in phones with android | 00:31 |
| tuxd3v | and they use same sources.. | 00:31 |
| tuxd3v | but would be better if they contribute to Mainline kernel, in that way, they don't need to maintain kernels versions and so on.. | 00:32 |
| tuxd3v | they seem not very smart | 00:32 |
| tuxd3v | its pure capitalism | 00:32 |
| tuxd3v | they try to hold, they most they can | 00:32 |
| tuxd3v | and they give you the board in Advance.. | 00:33 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | I find that without strong software support, the use of ARM boards is rather limited | 00:33 |
| tuxd3v | You buy the board...well and you are bonded to a problem, which is lack of support... but hey | 00:33 |
| tuxd3v | you already paied the board, so for them is really a nice business :) | 00:33 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | yep, I've been bitten bythat with the Orange Pi 3 (Allwinner H6) | 00:33 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | hence the extreme caution here | 00:34 |
| tuxd3v | I was also biten several times :) | 00:34 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | I'm planning an ARM cluster for educational purposes you see, so I'll be buying 3 x small lower-power boards to play with storage, and 4 x Raspberry Pi 4 for compute | 00:35 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | I'm just undecided on which boards to choose :P | 00:35 |
| tuxd3v | yeah that is the problem os everybody :D | 00:59 |
| tuxd3v | choosing the correct ones :) | 00:59 |
| Starbeamrainbowl | Indeed! | 01:24 |
| ball37 | Anyone know why nobody is seeding the devuan_ascii torrent? | 01:51 |
| ball37 | I guess I'll look for an http link | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | files.devuan.org | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | for isos | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | ball37, here's the mirror list: https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 01:54 |
| ball37 | yeah, I'm downliading a 1G file... | 01:54 |
| ball37 | Just noting that the torrents don't work | 01:54 |
| fsmithred | I think that will be fixed soon | 01:54 |
| fsmithred | 1G... desktop-live? | 01:55 |
| ball37 | cool. I'm going to try katoolin on the desktop live and see how that goes (downloads kali set) | 01:55 |
| ball37 | yeah | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 01:55 |
| ball37 | https://github.com/LionSec/katoolin | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | for which debian suite is it? | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | buster? | 01:55 |
| ball37 | bulleye I think | 01:56 |
| fsmithred | oy | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | ok, be patient | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | only ascii isos now | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | ascii=stretch | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | beowulf=buster | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | we're in the process of getting beowulf isos ready | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | we don't have a chimaera repo yet to merge bullseye, but that will happen soon | 01:58 |
| ball37 | ok, so I should wait? | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | well, this is an experiment, right? | 01:59 |
| fsmithred | well, if it's bullseye, you will have to wait | 01:59 |
| fsmithred | do they say which ubuntu they tested it on? | 02:00 |
| ball37 | well I use bt5 as a router in a vm, which is based on ubuntu Lucid | 02:00 |
| ball37 | which is really old and doesn't fully support some hardware I have | 02:01 |
| ball37 | tried back-porting the driver but that didn't work | 02:02 |
| ball37 | I appreciate all the work BTW | 02:02 |
| fsmithred | I just lost sound. I wanted to watch the video. | 02:03 |
| ball37 | ? | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | there's a link to a video on the katoolin page | 02:04 |
| ball37 | oh | 02:04 |
| ball37 | That audio is just some euroweenie techno | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | well, in this case... | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | speaker wasn't plugged in | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | works now | 02:08 |
| ball37 | Has anyone tried just deleting systemd from the debian distros? | 02:10 |
| ball37 | meaning after installing debian | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | vivid in the video | 02:10 |
| ball37 | ? | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | yes, antix uses debian without systemd, but they have a repo of packages that have been scrubbed | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | similar to what we do | 02:11 |
| ball37 | ah | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | you might be able to do it with a very lean system | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | but I'm not sure | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | haven't tried that since jessie | 02:11 |
| ball37 | all I use is a few konsoles | 02:11 |
| ball37 | looks like its based on buster | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | I've got some beowulf-based Refracta isos you could try | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | vivid uses 3.19 kernel - that was jessie | 02:21 |
| ball37 | antiX looks good if it works, given I run it out of a VM | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna try katoolin. Looks like it only takes a few minutes. | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | ball37, it seems to be working. I'm installing stuff. | 02:43 |
| fsmithred | not all the packages are available | 02:44 |
| cynicfm | hey, may i ask here what devuaners think about Gentoo???? | 02:44 |
| ball37 | fsmithred are you referring to katoolin on devuan buster? | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | on devuan beowulf (actually a refracta live iso in vm) | 02:45 |
| MinceR | gentoo is nice but i've seen portage fail already | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | looks like you have to select each tool to install it. The option to install all in a category doesn't work if any of the packages are missing. | 02:46 |
| MinceR | (but then again, i've seen APT fuck up as well) | 02:47 |
| cynicfm | MinceR: sorry i have used Devuan for some time, but i am new to Gentoo, what do you mean portage fail again?? It has failed you?? | 02:47 |
| fsmithred | beyond nice, gentoo is a great distribution, because you can do anything the way you want | 02:47 |
| fsmithred | I don't have the patience for it | 02:47 |
| MinceR | i had an install of a gentoo-based distro where after a period of not updating portage decided that nothing needed to be upgraded even though the portage tree was updated | 02:48 |
| cynicfm | what i personally find with distributions like Devuan for exmaple is that they're so good to the point they're boring cuz i don't know how to learn new things when im there ;/ | 02:48 |
| cynicfm | right... | 02:48 |
| MinceR | i wish i had access to an OS that was so good as to be boring | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | when I switched to debian, I considered gentoo for the same reason I switched to debian - very big repo | 02:48 |
| cynicfm | well i have used Hyperbola Gnu/Linux for a while and it is really good, but it's 100% libre... | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | and yeah, devuan and debian are boring | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | it's a feature | 02:49 |
| cynicfm | :P | 02:49 |
| MinceR | debian is no longer boring | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | true | 02:49 |
| MinceR | every boot and every shutdown is a game of russian roulette | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | I remember her the way she was | 02:50 |
| furrywolf | heh, this box crashes on hibernate about 1 in 6 times... | 02:50 |
| cynicfm | i had that russian roulette when i used Arch Linux | 02:50 |
| furrywolf | however, I believe it to be the kernel's fault. :) | 02:50 |
| erhandsoME[m] | if you want stablity go for boring | 02:51 |
| cynicfm | i want to learn new things | 02:51 |
| cynicfm | maybe gentoo will teach me something... | 02:52 |
| cynicfm | anyways sorry i should go on devuan-chat or something | 02:52 |
| cynicfm | #debianfork it is, ok thanks :) | 02:53 |
| erhandsoME[m] | you don't need to tear your house to do something else | 02:53 |
| cynicfm | i am quite new to Linux, i suppose i still learn things for beginner although i still keep trying new distributions, Gentoo is one of them... I have used devuan for about 8 months before this | 02:54 |
| cynicfm | is there any way of installing devuan without erasing whole HDD?? | 02:54 |
| MinceR | there are ways | 02:55 |
| cynicfm | ok cool, thanks ;) | 02:55 |
| cynicfm | I'll find out how haha, cheers have a good day | 02:55 |
| MinceR | for example, running it in a VM; installing it on free space alongside the HDD that has an existing OS; installing it on a second(/etc.) SSD/HDD; installing it on a removable storage device | 02:55 |
| cynicfm | ohh u mean installing it on usbstick?? | 02:56 |
| cynicfm | like a live session?? | 02:56 |
| specing | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14462#p14462 | 02:57 |
| specing | you could do the formatting on a dummy usb stick, or somehow skip it and then use ^ | 02:57 |
| specing | debian/devuan becomes painful once you want to deviate from the norm | 02:58 |
| fsmithred | there's a wide variety of norms | 03:00 |
| fsmithred | ball37, you still here? Seems to be working. I've installed at least a dozen packages with no complaints, but I'm about to run out of space in this vm. | 03:10 |
| ball37 | cool | 03:10 |
| fsmithred | I'm just running a live iso. | 03:11 |
| fsmithred | if I knew more about these tools I might actually install in a vm and then make a live iso of that | 03:11 |
| fsmithred | probably need to give the mv 20G or more. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | mv | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | damn | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | VM | 03:12 |
| MinceR | cynicfm: yes, that would be one method | 03:29 |
| cynicfm | Yes | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | I'm going to lose my connection for a minute (I hope) brb | 04:42 |
| beurs | what's the default devuan password? | 14:08 |
| onefang | From memory the default root password for Devuan is toor. | 14:09 |
| beurs | thx | 14:09 |
| beurs | yep, root - toor | 14:09 |
| onefang | Nothing wrong with my memo ... what where we talking about? | 14:10 |
| fsmithred | devuan/devuan, root/toor | 14:21 |
| onefang | Ah, I HAD forgotten something. lol | 14:22 |
| beurs | devuan/devuan doesn't work here | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | where are you? | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | live isos use the passwords I posted | 14:28 |
| beurs | yeah okay, not using a live distro | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | what are you using? | 14:28 |
| beurs | disk image | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok. Maybe there's no user? | 14:29 |
| beurs | no prob, i got root :P | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | or luther? | 14:29 |
| onefang | With root you can solve the other password problem. | 14:29 |
| beurs | yep | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | ball37, too bad you left | 14:31 |
| epergny | is anyone running the latest Devuan on some AMD Ryzen Zen 2 rig? (like a 3700x/3800x/3900x) Anything particular to do to make it work or does it work out of the box? | 16:07 |
| gnarface | epergny: if it doesn't work, installing the kernel from ascii-backports should | 16:11 |
| gnarface | shouldn't need anything special afaik except just a new enough kernel. i'm not sure if the stock ascii one is new enough | 16:12 |
| gnarface | you can test from a live image to find out though | 16:12 |
| epergny | gnarface: ah tyvm, good to know. Don't have an AMD Ryzen Zen 2 though: asking before buying : ) | 16:27 |
| gnarface | epergny: hang out, it's a slow channel but i know some other people in here do have them. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | epergny, did you try booting the desktop-live? Or any iso? | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | oh, I finally read to the end. If you end up needing to boot with a newer kernel, I have a live iso with the ascii-backports kernel. | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | or maybe there will be beowulf isos by the time you buy it. (betas) | 17:00 |
| DonkeyHotei | epergny: for zen2 you need at least a 5.0 kernel | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | ok, bpo won't be new enough | 17:03 |
| gnarface | bpo isn't up to that yet? | 17:06 |
| gnarface | oh, i guess not, it is only 4.19 | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | ascii-backports has | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | I'm about to check buster-backports | 17:07 |
| furrywolf | speaking of beowulf, is it reasonably safe to upgrade to it yet? I have two ascii boxes that could use newer non-bpo software. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | 5.3 | 17:08 |
| furrywolf | icewm on this one, xfce on the other. | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | ceres has 5.4 | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | I've upgraded xfce and it's not bad | 17:09 |
| gnarface | epergny: oh, i guess you need a much newer kernel than ascii-backports, but you can get it from ceres or you can build it yourself. let me know if you need help | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | beowulf with buster-backports kernel should work | 17:10 |
| gnarface | a custom 5.3 kernel build is working fine for me in ascii but that is on aarch64 | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | furrywolf, you'll probably get some arguments at the end about elogind. Beat it with a hammer and it will eventually upgrade the last ones. | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | apt is afraid to remove lsd0 | 17:12 |
| furrywolf | I'll start with the xfce box... it's just used for playing music at work, and breaking is acceptable for that. | 17:13 |
| furrywolf | mostly I'm hoping newer x fixes the horrible memory leak that box has | 17:14 |
| linearain | hi, whats so bad with sytemd that debian had to fork? | 22:01 |
| Akuli | linearain, the answers you get will depend a lot on which devuan user is answering. i guess one big thing is that systemd doesn't follow the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy, and does more things than a traditional init program does | 22:07 |
| * golinux groans and suggest that <linearain> takes it to #debianfork with <Akuli> | 22:07 | |
| Akuli | :D | 22:08 |
| linearain | i see. | 22:08 |
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