lolico | hello! | 01:47 |
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lolico | I'm considering using Devuan as my primary distro, is there anything Devuan has over Debian other than init freedom? | 01:48 |
gnarface | lolico: support for some additional ARM devices that debian wouldn't touch | 01:52 |
gnarface | most the non-free wifi firmware available in the netinstall image as a courtesy to laptop/mobile users | 01:53 |
gnarface | and a cinnabar theme for beowulf upcoming :) | 01:54 |
gnarface | other than that, not much comes to mind | 01:54 |
gnarface | the whole point was not to be different from historical pre-jessie debians | 01:54 |
gnarface | so the primary difference is just that systemd and everything they couldn't detach from it is simply not present | 01:56 |
TwistedFate | what is cinnabar theme? | 03:29 |
TwistedFate | oh hmm, devuan moves from purple to red | 03:31 |
golinux | TwistedFate: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 04:29 |
Xenguy | red my lips: purple | 04:51 |
retry | have you guys noticed the php systemd dependency introduced by the maintainer yesterday? | 16:03 |
retry | you can't run php-fpm without systemd now | 16:05 |
g4570n | ☉_☉ | 16:07 |
* yeti is waiting for FF, Chrome, Libreoffice and all that stuff becoming systemd addicts | 16:09 | |
yeti | we all switch to emacs then! | 16:10 |
yeti | .-Þ | 16:10 |
yeti | and webkit for emacs will be finished | 16:10 |
retry | i currently run a few headless debian buster boxes | 16:15 |
retry | and it's pretty easy to avoid systemd | 16:15 |
retry | this php dependecy is the first thing to force it | 16:16 |
MinceR | so it was pretty easy until it suddenly wasn't? :> | 16:16 |
retry | yes exactly | 16:16 |
retry | just had to pin systemd and install sysvinit-core | 16:16 |
retry | all of a sudden and out of the blue, the maintainer insists on it | 16:17 |
retry | for which I got chastized calling it 'out of the blue' because hey 'did you even read the patreon post from yesterday?' | 16:17 |
MinceR | lol | 16:27 |
MinceR | so this is what deadian calls "stable" | 16:28 |
yeti | so stable that the dabian/pi guys dont fix the suicide-on-kernel-updates issue for PI1 | 16:40 |
yeti | I've given up talking with them about it | 16:40 |
yeti | I can fix it and they have done it in unstable... but dont dare to push the fix to stable | 16:42 |
yeti | there's something wring in their buerocracy | 16:42 |
yeti | wrOng | 16:42 |
yeti | maybe for devuan4/debian11 it will be straightened out and then I can adopt debian's way of managing pi kernels into devuan | 16:44 |
yeti | I started with debian before they used toystory names... the current DEBIAN no longer is MY DEBIAN! | 16:47 |
debdog | dang, now he's gone | 16:47 |
debdog | retry, that is | 16:47 |
debdog | was he talking about libsystemd0 or systemd as pid1? | 16:48 |
MinceR | what did they use before toystory names? | 16:49 |
Joril | debdog: package "systemd" as a dependency of php-fpm7.3 | 16:50 |
Joril | debdog: see https://packages.debian.org/sid/php7.3-fpm | 16:50 |
debdog | thank you! | 16:51 |
yeti | MinceR: just numbers | 16:52 |
yeti | no "codenames" | 16:52 |
onefang | Luckily I had already started writing replacements for some of the PHP stuff I use. | 17:01 |
fsmithred | debdog, apt says it need libsystemd0|libelogind0. not systemd. I think the web page is wrong. | 21:04 |
fsmithred | oh, I'm not looking at the newest version, which doesn't exist in devuan. I guess the web page is right. | 21:07 |
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