sacioz | thank you... | 00:00 |
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gnarface | wifi or ethernet? | 00:00 |
sacioz | ethernet | 00:00 |
sacioz | Up to this morning I was doing OK but a new update came up and ...kaput so to speak | 00:01 |
gnarface | hmmm | 00:03 |
gnarface | did the kernel upgrade at that time? | 00:03 |
sacioz | no...that one was last night | 00:04 |
gnarface | so you know the kernel upgrade wasn't the culprit? | 00:04 |
gnarface | it could have been a gui networking widget, are you using one of those? | 00:04 |
sacioz | I don't think so yes am using a gui xfce | 00:04 |
gnarface | network-manager or wicd? | 00:05 |
sacioz | wicd I think | 00:05 |
sacioz | gnarface everything looks perfect no losses whatsoever | 00:05 |
sacioz | except for the connection | 00:06 |
gnarface | hmmm | 00:06 |
gnarface | any errors in dmesg that look relevant? | 00:06 |
gnarface | could be a glitch in wicd | 00:06 |
sacioz | had a look , theres a hint about ufw needing reconf | 00:07 |
sacioz | any advice is mostly welcome | 00:07 |
gnarface | paste that exact error line please | 00:07 |
sacioz | I cannot as is..must swap hds | 00:08 |
gnarface | oh | 00:08 |
gnarface | i see | 00:08 |
gnarface | wait | 00:08 |
gnarface | don't do that yet | 00:08 |
sacioz | but will do if need be | 00:08 |
sacioz | avahi seems absent as well. | 00:08 |
gnarface | were you using it before? | 00:09 |
gnarface | it is possible that an update simply removed some packages you need | 00:09 |
sacioz | Yes...I have two devuans | 00:09 |
gnarface | (possibly due to a temporary conflict) | 00:09 |
sacioz | in tow separate hds | 00:09 |
sacioz | )) | 00:09 |
sacioz | two I meant | 00:09 |
gnarface | if you were using avahi before, maybe try reinstalling it. try to make the package list of relevant networking packages the same on the non-working install as the working one | 00:10 |
sacioz | I see...will have a crack at it...many thanks | 00:10 |
sacioz | Off I am | 00:11 |
gnarface | sorry i can't be more help. if you get that exact error message and paste it into google though, it often will find you solutions | 00:11 |
sacioz | thank you will try that one too... | 00:11 |
sacioz | and another one ... | 00:12 |
sacioz | beowulf seems heavier sorta thing | 00:12 |
sacioz | ascii is much quicker | 00:12 |
sacioz | par for the course, is it ? | 00:12 |
gnarface | hard to say, but probably actually just that you've installed more active userspace stuff in beowulf | 00:13 |
gnarface | it could also be simply broken temporarily. that is also par for the course | 00:13 |
sacioz | I see ...right... | 00:13 |
gnarface | if it is just wicd that is broken though, you could try disabling it and doing a manual network config just to test to make sure the drivers and hardware are still fine | 00:13 |
sacioz | Huh huh... | 00:14 |
gnarface | and that can get you up and running temporarily while someone fixes wicd (assuming that is the only issue) | 00:14 |
* sacioz nods | 00:14 | |
sacioz | well that will do | 00:15 |
gnarface | you're not mixing debian or ubuntu packages in there, right? | 00:15 |
gnarface | sometimes there can be tiny version discrepancies that break stuff | 00:15 |
sacioz | never did or will ,,,Mr.Golinux advises against it in bold letters s/where | 00:15 |
gnarface | yea, just making sure | 00:16 |
sacioz | funny thing...will go now...thanks see youse later | 00:16 |
gnarface | good luck | 00:16 |
Uberius | Greetings, folks. Does anyone by hazard know if the request as in regaining control over #devuan-es placed in https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/UL2o3j3osKcHQVCGEzaaZpq7/ has already been taken into account? | 03:06 |
golinux | Uberius: I have passed that along but no action. | 03:10 |
Uberius | golinux, thank you. | 03:10 |
golinux | It has been that way for quite some time unfortunately. | 03:11 |
golinux | Perhaps you could plead your case to freenode directly, | 03:14 |
g4570n | Apparently it is a requirement that someone related to the project claims it, we are not listened to by the staff people :-/ | 03:14 |
golinux | Let's try this . . . | 03:15 |
g4570n | we already tried | 03:15 |
g4570n | unsuccessfully | 03:15 |
golinux | jaromil: parazyd: coagen: ^^^ Can you PLEASE help to reactivate #devuan-es. | 03:16 |
golinux | If that fails, please carry on reminding them till you get a response. | 03:17 |
Uberius | golinux, thank you very much, dude. | 03:19 |
golinux | Urmmm . . . not a dude. ;) | 03:19 |
golinux | Happy to help | 03:19 |
Uberius | golinux, sorry then. | 03:20 |
g4570n | golinux: thanks :) | 03:20 |
golinux | NP. On the internet no one knows you're a dog | 03:20 |
golinux | Woof . . . | 03:21 |
golinux | :D | 03:21 |
g4570n | xD | 03:21 |
Uberius | XD | 03:22 |
golinux | Viva l'Espagna! (I probably didn't get that right, sorry) | 03:23 |
g4570n | ¡Viva España! | 03:23 |
golinux | My French crept in there | 03:24 |
g4570n | :P | 03:24 |
Uberius | Vive la France elle aussi! | 03:24 |
golinux | D'accord | 03:24 |
Uberius | :) | 03:25 |
golinux | (It's been 50 years . . . I'm a bit rusty | 03:25 |
golinux | ) | 03:25 |
golinux | Please let me know if you get things straightened out. | 03:26 |
g4570n | Uberius: is our polyglot friend xD | 03:26 |
Uberius | golinux, we will. Thanks for your kind help. | 03:26 |
golinux | :D | 03:26 |
targz | golinux: Thanks for the help, we believe that having the devuan-es channel will add more Spanish language people :) | 03:51 |
golinux | targz: I completely agree. Unfortunately, I am not savvy enough about irc admin to even talk to freenode about setting that up. | 03:55 |
targz | golinux: Don't worry, we hope to get it soon | 03:57 |
golinux | Don't worry. Be happy! | 04:01 |
targz | golinux: yes! :D | 04:05 |
targz | golinux: ¡Vamos Argentina!, it would be this way XD | 04:06 |
Xenguy | Don't worry, be retarded | 04:25 |
Xenguy | oh darn, another word I'm not supposed to use anymore | 04:25 |
Xenguy | oops, wrong channel | 04:25 |
tuxd3v_ | Hello guys | 06:51 |
tuxd3v_ | seems that I need some help, setting the irc client | 06:52 |
tuxd3v_ | I am experimenting with TDE | 06:52 |
tuxd3v_ | so its KConversation | 06:52 |
tuxd3v_ | but I cannot get Indentified, don't know why | 06:52 |
tuxd3v_ | :( | 06:52 |
onefang | privmsg NickServ :identify <nickname> <password> | 06:59 |
onefang | I had that problem earlier, the : is important. | 06:59 |
tuxd3v_ | that is what I should put in commands entrie? | 07:02 |
onefang | Yep, though with your nickname and password, without the <> bits. | 07:03 |
tuxd3v_ | shouldn't it have a "/" before that | 07:03 |
onefang | Try it manually first, see if it works. | 07:03 |
tuxd3v_ | ok | 07:03 |
tuxd3v_ | many thanks will try :) | 07:03 |
tuxd3v_ | loging out to test :) | 07:05 |
onefang | Welcome back. | 07:07 |
onefang | Welcome back. | 07:07 |
tuxd3v | I am going to File->Server List | 07:09 |
tuxd3v | then edit network | 07:09 |
tuxd3v | and I have there a commands entry | 07:10 |
onefang | I can't help with KConversation specific stuff, I don't use it, sorry. I hope someone else can. | 07:10 |
tuxd3v | also a Identity which is already with my user ans password | 07:10 |
tuxd3v | ok, many thanks | 07:11 |
tuxd3v | your command works nice in the console | 07:11 |
tuxd3v | now I just need to create a correct config in Kconversation, for that :) | 07:11 |
onefang | Yay for progress. B-) | 07:12 |
parazyd | golinux: Got the channel. What do you want to do with it? | 07:22 |
golinux | parazyd: Did you read the scrollback? | 07:26 |
parazyd | Just the highlight. One moment. | 07:27 |
golinux | Hopefully you can get #devuan-es up and running again. targz, Uberius or g4570n might need to be able to mod it | 07:28 |
parazyd | I'll talk to Uberius | 07:28 |
golinux | Thank you for responding. They are a good group and active on #devuan-mx but will get more participation with -es | 07:29 |
golinux | #devuan-es has been non-functional for a long time but freenode needs an "official" Devuan contact to authorize it | 07:30 |
golinux | Nice to see you. | 07:31 |
onefang | Should this conversation be in #devuan-dev? | 07:31 |
golinux | This is where they contacted me | 07:32 |
golinux | so where the scrollback exists for reference | 07:32 |
onefang | Ah, OK. | 07:32 |
tuxd3v | parazyd: nice to see you :) | 07:44 |
golinux | Indeed | 07:45 |
parazyd | :) | 07:45 |
parazyd | tuxd3v: I'm around, just in other channels | 07:46 |
parazyd | But I jump out when highlighted :p | 07:46 |
parazyd | So that's usually a good way to find me | 07:46 |
tuxd3v | nice :) | 07:48 |
pencilandpaper | Hi, I have taken a snapshot and for some reason its not allowing me to reinstall it to my laptop. | 15:48 |
pencilandpaper | Its tossing me grub errors..saying that it cannot install grub because of it being legacy mode and not secure boot.. | 15:48 |
pencilandpaper | Yet when I change to secure boot, it won't even allow me to boot from the usb stick. | 15:48 |
pencilandpaper | So I'm not getting it. | 15:49 |
pencilandpaper | Would anyone happen to have a solution? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. | 15:49 |
pencilandpaper | Brb. | 15:50 |
fsmithred | snapshot with refractasnapshot? | 15:51 |
pencilandpaper | Yes.. | 15:51 |
pencilandpaper | Brb though, sorry. | 15:51 |
fsmithred | ok | 15:51 |
fsmithred | me too | 15:51 |
fsmithred | coffee... | 15:51 |
pencilandpaper | Back, thanks.. | 16:19 |
fsmithred | hi | 16:19 |
fsmithred | tell me about the installed system that made the snapshot - is grub-pc installed? | 16:19 |
pencilandpaper | Hi fsmithred , as a matter of fact..let me make a quick cup of coffee too and I will brb man. | 16:19 |
fsmithred | ok | 16:20 |
pencilandpaper | Ok back fsmithred ..thanks.. | 16:25 |
pencilandpaper | And yes, grub-pc-bin is installed fsmithred . | 16:26 |
fsmithred | what about grub-pc? | 16:26 |
fsmithred | you're booting legacy bios on this system? | 16:26 |
fsmithred | is grub-efi-amd64 installed? Not the -bin. And if so, is it signed or unsigned version? | 16:27 |
pencilandpaper | Yes, legacy bios.. | 16:28 |
pencilandpaper | Yes, grub-efi-amd64 is installed.. | 16:29 |
fsmithred | you installed from the desktop-live initially? | 16:29 |
pencilandpaper | Yes.. | 16:29 |
fsmithred | ok, couple of things you could do | 16:29 |
pencilandpaper | Ok.. | 16:29 |
fsmithred | if you're in a hurry to install this system using the existing snapshot... | 16:29 |
fsmithred | boot the snapshot, install grub-pc, don't let it install the bootloader at that time | 16:30 |
pencilandpaper | Ok.. | 16:30 |
fsmithred | then run refractainstaller and it will install the right bootloader | 16:30 |
fsmithred | longer term... | 16:30 |
pencilandpaper | although in repo's I don't even see grub-pc because this is a Unstable snapshot. | 16:30 |
fsmithred | install grub-pc on your host system | 16:30 |
fsmithred | should be there in the repo | 16:31 |
pencilandpaper | Its not, just grub-pc-bin.. | 16:31 |
fsmithred | 2.04-5 is in ceres | 16:31 |
pencilandpaper | I'm not seeing it.. | 16:31 |
fsmithred | apt update? | 16:31 |
pencilandpaper | I do see grub-pc-bin in that version though. | 16:32 |
fsmithred | what repo are you using? | 16:32 |
pencilandpaper | Nice, now I see it after apt update.. | 16:32 |
fsmithred | lol, ok | 16:33 |
pencilandpaper | I'm booted in to the snaptshot right now from a usb stick.. | 16:33 |
pencilandpaper | snapshot* | 16:33 |
fsmithred | cool | 16:33 |
pencilandpaper | So should I install grub-pc right now, and then run the installer? | 16:33 |
fsmithred | if you want to make a snapshot that will work on both bios and uefi, you need to do a couple things | 16:33 |
fsmithred | yeah, you can do that. | 16:34 |
pencilandpaper | And it should install the correct grub version for me? | 16:34 |
fsmithred | yes | 16:34 |
pencilandpaper | I see..nice.. | 16:34 |
fsmithred | just don't let it install bootloader when you install the package | 16:34 |
pencilandpaper | Ok cool, thanks. | 16:34 |
pencilandpaper | I am going to format my ssd real quick..and then go for it. I will let you know how it goes man..I appreciate it. :) | 16:35 |
fsmithred | if you read the help file for the installer, it explains the grub issue | 16:35 |
fsmithred | yw | 16:35 |
pencilandpaper | I very well could be completely screwed with this..but we will see.. | 16:35 |
fsmithred | it should work. I've done it too many times to count. | 16:36 |
pencilandpaper | I do have a few tiny partitions fsmithred ..one is a windows recovery system partition, ntfs..and the other is a windows system partition, ntfs.. | 16:36 |
pencilandpaper | Is it ok to leave them or should I wipe them as well..just to have one single large partition? | 16:36 |
fsmithred | just make sure you know which one is which so you select the right one for devuan | 16:36 |
fsmithred | depends on if you want to keep windows or not | 16:37 |
pencilandpaper | I don't need Windows at all. I really kept them around initially for warranty reasons..but the warranty is over now. | 16:37 |
fsmithred | and you know all your hardware works in linux? | 16:37 |
pencilandpaper | Yeah, I buy hardware that I am confident in working with Linux. | 16:38 |
fsmithred | then I guess the nuclear option is safe | 16:38 |
pencilandpaper | Cool.. | 16:39 |
pencilandpaper | I know that when I ran updates after this snapshot that I ended up with a system that didn't work.. | 16:39 |
pencilandpaper | It wouldn't let me type to even login..or even to go to tty..I couldn't type at all. | 16:39 |
pencilandpaper | So I am hoping to get this snapshot installed and to update right through that error..and end up with a working system again if you get my drift? | 16:40 |
fsmithred | I get that sometimes in qemu, but not on hardware | 16:40 |
pencilandpaper | Right right.. | 16:40 |
pencilandpaper | It has happened to me before with hardware, but I never had a backup to start over again with to see if I could update right through that part of updates.. | 16:41 |
pencilandpaper | In theory it should work. | 16:41 |
pencilandpaper | If it doesn't I just got rid of quite a lot of useful data and two other small installs to try this out. lol | 16:41 |
fsmithred | if you want to run ceres, it might be better to start with ceres or start with a minimal beowulf install and then upgrade. Add desktop later. | 16:41 |
pencilandpaper | I hear you, but I put in work with this install. I just want to get it working again. | 16:42 |
pencilandpaper | No way, dude left. lol | 17:14 |
pencilandpaper | Bummer.. | 17:14 |
fsmithred | pencilandpaper, what's up? | 17:28 |
pencilandpaper | It didn't work man. | 17:33 |
fsmithred | what happened? | 17:34 |
pencilandpaper | It went to a error upon trying to reboot..something like: wee --set root glfdr | 17:35 |
pencilandpaper | Something like that. | 17:35 |
pencilandpaper | I just tried boot-repair and it won't even allow it unless booted up in legacy mode. | 17:35 |
pencilandpaper | I'm sorry, it won't allow it while being in legacy mode. | 17:36 |
fsmithred | are you sure you installed grub to the correct drive? | 17:37 |
pencilandpaper | It should have been to sda1. | 17:37 |
fsmithred | you can boot from the usb? | 17:37 |
pencilandpaper | Is there a way to reinstall grub alone to sda1 from this live session? | 17:37 |
pencilandpaper | Yes, I am on it now. | 17:38 |
fsmithred | yeah, I need to check the correct syntax, or else you need to mount and chroot the system | 17:38 |
pencilandpaper | I have attempted that before and it didn't work either for some reason. | 17:38 |
fsmithred | you remember an error message? | 17:39 |
pencilandpaper | Wow indeed.. | 17:39 |
fsmithred | ? | 17:39 |
fsmithred | your usb is /dev/sda? | 17:39 |
pencilandpaper | Yes, it was: wee set --root glfdr | 17:39 |
pencilandpaper | No, the usb is /dev/sdb | 17:39 |
pencilandpaper | I just checked in gparted. | 17:39 |
fsmithred | ok | 17:39 |
pencilandpaper | /dev/sda1 is my internal storage. | 17:40 |
fsmithred | you had linux running on this before? | 17:41 |
pencilandpaper | Yes.. | 17:41 |
pencilandpaper | But I started out with Devuan Stable..and I also had a Puppy Linux install.. | 17:42 |
pencilandpaper | I did not initially install grub..but skipped that step..and used grub4dos in Puppy to dualboot and it worked. | 17:42 |
pencilandpaper | Even after updating in to Unstable.. | 17:42 |
pencilandpaper | But once it broke and I tried to reinstall, it would never boot up again..even when doing the same thing with grub4dos. | 17:43 |
pencilandpaper | Its really unreal and I can't understand it. | 17:43 |
fsmithred | what kind of computer is it? | 17:43 |
pencilandpaper | I have also chrooted in and reinstalled grub and that didn't work either. | 17:43 |
pencilandpaper | Its a Dell Latitude E6430. | 17:44 |
pencilandpaper | Let me try something, I will brb. I am going to try changing bios settings and see if that works. | 17:44 |
hemimaniac | fsmithred: I had a wee problem with the beowulf net install, it sorted itself out but the install grub stage hung quite awhile at searching for other as it complained about something on /dev/sdc which I thought was funny as that was the live medium | 17:58 |
fsmithred | yeah, I'm not sure how to stop that | 17:59 |
fsmithred | it doesn't seem to be consistent | 17:59 |
hemimaniac | I don't think it is devuan specific as I have noticed it in some other distros with other installers | 18:01 |
fsmithred | you get a message about /dev/whatever not found in udev database? | 18:01 |
hemimaniac | never thot to look before rebooting sorry | 18:02 |
fsmithred | I've seen it when installing grub in a chroot | 18:03 |
pencilandpaper | Yeah, its not going to work in legacy mode..which unfortunately is what this install is in since I orginally installed Devuan Stable in legacy mode. | 19:25 |
pencilandpaper | Sincerely deep stuff..and also unbelievable..I thought that I was golden. :( | 19:26 |
fsmithred | if you convert to uefi, you can still boot another linux that's installed | 19:35 |
fsmithred | grub will find any other installed systems and add them to the menu | 19:35 |
mason | I've gotten to where dealing with non-UEFI is tedious now, which would have surprised me if I'd heard myself say it several years ago. | 19:45 |
sixwheeledbeast | Hardware has gone that way tho. | 20:05 |
sixwheeledbeast | path of least resistance | 20:05 |
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