crashoverride | guys | 03:08 |
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crashoverride | I gotta aay | 03:08 |
crashoverride | say* | 03:08 |
crashoverride | Devun Ascii is surprisingly great | 03:08 |
crashoverride | Devuan* | 03:08 |
crashoverride | damn software keyboard | 03:08 |
ullet_ | compared to what crashoverride ? | 03:16 |
plasma41 | crashoverride: Glad to hear it | 03:29 |
bgstack15 | Devuan Jessie? | 03:30 |
bgstack15 | I think each release's unique color scheme is really cool. Purpy, cinnabar, and the next one... (spoilers!) | 03:30 |
furrywolf | needs more wolves. :P | 03:31 |
ullet_ | i got nasa footage 4k as live backdrop for my devuan box (jetson nano) | 03:34 |
ullet_ | *video | 03:34 |
ullet_ | https://files.catbox.moe/c7jzg2.jpg | 03:34 |
ullet_ | with some classical music, it makes a nice workplace | 03:35 |
plasma41 | ullet_: Pretty | 03:40 |
ullet_ | nice thing about mplayer is i can adjust brightness, contrast, saturation interactively to get just the colors i want | 03:41 |
ullet_ | i slow it down to about 1000kph :) | 03:41 |
ullet_ | plasma41: finished a new unicode art poster too https://0x0.st/ijbW.png | 03:54 |
ullet_ | 120 characters wide | 03:54 |
plasma41 | ullet_: Is that done with colored space characters? | 04:02 |
ullet_ | unicode blocks yield much higher percieved resolution ▅▃▂▃▂▄ ▄▅ | 04:03 |
ullet_ | that's the xterm 256 color palette, not truecolor btw | 04:04 |
golinux | All that belongs over at #debianfork. | 04:08 |
golinux | (Some slow learners hang in this channel) | 04:09 |
Xenguy | They have signs over in Scotland that say "Slow Children" Great for tourist photos and hamming it up : -) | 04:13 |
meep_____ | » [11:01:20] <mason> meep_____: There aren't enough competent Unix admins out there, so Windows admins or folks who aren't systems administrators at all get pressed into the role. | 05:20 |
meep_____ | » [11:01:37] <mason> With any luck they end up liking the stuff and become real Unix admins. | 05:20 |
meep_____ | The good ending is they become competent unix admins. The bad ending is that they don't understand the way UNIX works and try to make it more like windows, start adding things like systemd to mimic scvhost and dbus | 05:20 |
ullet_ | anybody hom | 07:22 |
ullet_ | where openbsdtai123 | 07:22 |
meep_____ | No | 07:43 |
meep_____ | Oh! Oven bake macaroni is done =3 | 07:43 |
ullet_ | congrats | 07:43 |
onefang | Is oven bake macaroni a Devuan package you need support for? | 07:44 |
meep_____ | Yes | 07:46 |
* meep_____ places a macaroni on onefang's fang | 07:46 | |
onefang | I'm not finding it in the package list, maybe try looking for it in #debianfork? | 07:47 |
meep_____ | I'm sorry onefang | 07:50 |
JTechno | hello friends | 10:08 |
JTechno | I've installed tftp and openbsd-inetd, in file /etc/inetd.conf the line for the tftpd server is uncommented, /etc/hosts.allow has ALL:ALL but it still doesn't work, do I need to do something more? | 10:09 |
JTechno | nvm | 10:20 |
eyalroz | Hello fellow devuaners... a question about UVC devices ( = webcams). | 10:26 |
gnarface | JTechno: what was it? | 10:44 |
gnarface | eyalroz: don't ask for permission, just ask | 10:44 |
eyalroz | Why does devuan have uvcdynctrl, but not v4l2-ctl? | 10:49 |
Humpelstilzchen | eyalroz: My devuan has v4l2-ctl in package v4l-utils | 10:51 |
gnarface | eyalroz: it has both, i promise. not all devices will work with both though, it is driver dependent. | 11:02 |
eyalroz | well, when I try to install the latter, I get: | 11:02 |
eyalroz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 11:03 |
eyalroz | v4l-utils : Depends: libv4l-0 (= 1.16.3-3) but 1.18.0-1 is to be installed | 11:03 |
eyalroz | Maybe something is busted with my apt cache? | 11:03 |
gnarface | something is busted, that's for sure. | 11:04 |
gnarface | looks like evidence of distro or release-version mixing | 11:04 |
gnarface | it's saying that it's looking for the beowulf version of libv4l but it's only finding the ceres version | 11:05 |
JTechno | gnarface: all was working, but for my tests I was trying tftp localhost and it was trying to connect to ::1, I have ipv6 disabled | 11:06 |
gnarface | i'm sorry to say that this is almost certainly evidence of a self-inflicted injury. do you have any ideas where it might have gone wrong? usually has something to do with mismanaging contents of /etc/apt/sources.list or downloading ubuntu packages | 11:06 |
gnarface | eyalroz: ^ | 11:06 |
eyalroz | gnarface: I'll have a look | 11:06 |
gnarface | eyalroz: your /var/log/apt/history.log* files may have useful records of the incident. you'll have to find something non-beowulf that got installed somewhere along the line | 11:07 |
eyalroz | gnarface: Is there something specific I can grep for in those files? | 11:08 |
gnarface | all it's got is just package names, versions, and dates. you're gonna need to grep your brain a little too. | 11:09 |
gnarface | eyalroz: you can also use this to verify what versions you should have https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 11:10 |
gnarface | eyalroz: or you can just try it again with aptitude and have it suggest fixes, throw your fate into the cold dead hands of the machine's will and hope for the best... | 11:11 |
eyalroz | gnarface: For now, here are the URLs for my apt sources: https://pastebin.com/raw/jGXj0Xx8 | 11:11 |
gnarface | oh shit | 11:11 |
eyalroz | I do have two Ubuntu-related repos | 11:11 |
gnarface | well i think i see your issue | 11:12 |
eyalroz | for Signal and Telegram | 11:12 |
gnarface | yea this is a mess, this is like a textbook example of reckless disregard | 11:13 |
gnarface | don't use any of this | 11:13 |
gnarface | don't use deb-multimeida | 11:13 |
gnarface | for god sake's don't use ubuntu ppa's EVER, not even on ubuntu | 11:13 |
gnarface | you loaded the gun with the wrong bullets then pointed it straight at your foot | 11:13 |
eyalroz | gnarface: T_T | 11:14 |
gnarface | i can't even be sure it's repairable, but i can be fairly certain it would be faster to just reinstall | 11:14 |
gnarface | next time use some containers like qemu or vbox or something for the out-of-distro stuff, so you don't hose your base install's dependency tree | 11:15 |
gnarface | i know i know, ubuntu people say this is just fine | 11:15 |
gnarface | but they're not qualified to be giving technical advice | 11:15 |
gnarface | well | 11:16 |
eyalroz | gnarface: Not going to use containers; the current state of affairs is preferable for me, despite it seeming abysmal to you... | 11:16 |
eyalroz | Also - I used debian-multimedia.org to get avidemux | 11:16 |
eyalroz | but maybe I can just install it from sources | 11:16 |
gnarface | well, lemme say that i have been in this situation before, and i can understand wanting to just unravel it by hand and only take steps forward, no going back. i'm sure it'll teach you a lot about the internals of package management too, so maybe it's worth the effort (the first time anyway) | 11:17 |
gnarface | but i'm going to lay some real time measurements on you | 11:17 |
gnarface | it's gonna take about 40 minutes to reinstall if you have a fast internet connection | 11:17 |
eyalroz | Ok, I can take it. I think. | 11:17 |
gnarface | fixing this mess though... it's gonna take you DAYS | 11:17 |
gnarface | and frankly... i can't really help | 11:17 |
gnarface | it would even take ME days | 11:18 |
eyalroz | 40 minutes for just the reinstall. A lot more time to get everything else in place. Of course, I'm not asking for you to spend time on this, but - is there a direction you could point me at? | 11:18 |
gnarface | yes, in the future, installing by source is a preferable option, just make sure you create packages on install (you can use checkinstall for that, it's in the repos) | 11:18 |
gnarface | hmmm. well i mentioned it sarcastically earlier but try out aptitutde, really | 11:19 |
gnarface | clean up your sources.list to only have devuan beowulf stuff, then ask aptitude how to solve the problem | 11:19 |
eyalroz | you mean, trying to install v4l-utils via aptitutde and see what it does? | 11:19 |
gnarface | yea | 11:19 |
eyalroz | and make all of the installed non-Beowulf "orphaned" by removing their repos? | 11:20 |
gnarface | yea, otherwise aptitude won't even know what's supposed to be there or not | 11:20 |
eyalroz | s/non-Beowulf/non-Beowulf packages/ | 11:20 |
eyalroz | I guess I could try that. | 11:20 |
gnarface | (brace for impact, the first thing it's probably gonna tell you is it's gotta uninstall a bunch of stuff first) | 11:20 |
gnarface | (just pay attention to what - don't let it uninstall something you need to boot, like the kernel) | 11:21 |
eyalroz | Ah... that's the hairy part. Ok, got it. | 11:21 |
gnarface | http://paste.debian.net/1142389/ | 11:21 |
gnarface | here is an example pristine beowulf sources.list for your reference | 11:22 |
gnarface | it includes contrib and non-free but you don't necessarily need them (i hope you know whether you do or not though, because i can't tell you) | 11:22 |
eyalroz | I really need to read up on checkinstall though, that sounds useful. I'm used to just assuming I need to put all my built-from-source software under /opt to avoid having to track anything. | 11:22 |
gnarface | checkinstall just makes a quick&dirty apt package by snaring the "make install" option. it's very useful and not difficult to understand | 11:23 |
gnarface | the primary value is just that then you can cleanly uninstall stuff without thinking about it | 11:23 |
eyalroz | I never edit my sources.list, I only put stuff in sources.list.d, so I have the pristine one | 11:23 |
gnarface | oh ok | 11:24 |
gnarface | well that's good | 11:24 |
eyalroz | I mean, I may have "dirtied" my system, but it's all in an orderly fashion. | 11:24 |
eyalroz | I even have a log file where, whenever I add an apt repository, I make an entry and mention that, explaining why I'm using it | 11:25 |
eyalroz | (I mean, human-readable log) | 11:25 |
gnarface | well you might be able to untrace the issue by hand even then, i dunno | 11:29 |
gnarface | i just know that going in blind would be a big project for me | 11:29 |
gnarface | i've focused my learning with the linux ecosystem towards specifically avoiding messes like these, so my most useful advice is primarily preventative | 11:30 |
gnarface | because it might just be one package conflict and you might find it quick | 11:31 |
gnarface | or... it might be the whole desktop environment got pulled in from ubuntu, and now you've painted yourself into a corner where most the system isn't even really devuan anymore, and the tools don't know up from down | 11:31 |
gnarface | follow me? | 11:31 |
gnarface | i speak from personal experience | 11:32 |
gnarface | maybe this time you went in with your eyes open | 11:33 |
gnarface | back then, i know i never did | 11:33 |
crashoverride | ullet_: compared to any other linux distro | 11:35 |
crashoverride | literally any. | 11:35 |
crashoverride | it's all shit now. | 11:35 |
crashoverride | I can't find one that actually works for me. | 11:35 |
crashoverride | well, maybe aside devuan, that is. | 11:36 |
ullet_ | do any of you know algorithms for synthizing the simple algorithmic sound effects that williams electronics et all used in arcade games in the 80s? | 11:43 |
ullet_ | i know just a couple simple ones | 11:43 |
ullet_ | sorry wrong chan | 11:43 |
crashoverride | ullet_: well, those sound effects were really simple, combination of wave, square, and triangle waveforms. | 11:52 |
crashoverride | ullet_: so it's not as much "algorithms" that you're searching for, as "combination of basic waveforms" | 11:53 |
crashoverride | ullet_: if you have access to the sounds you're interested in, I suggest using FFTs | 11:54 |
crashoverride | otherwise, well, try a VST plugin | 11:54 |
crashoverride | ullet_: you can also read about chiptunes | 11:56 |
crashoverride | or, if you're in the UK, crisptunes. | 11:56 |
ullet_ | i guess i'm looking specifically for ones equivalent to the ones Williams Electronics innovated with the 'Firepower' pinball game, then used in Defender, Stargate, Robotron | 11:57 |
crashoverride | hmm | 11:57 |
crashoverride | I don't know those specific games | 11:57 |
crashoverride | but once again, FFTs are your friends. | 11:57 |
ullet_ | i've studied the common synthesis techniques | 11:57 |
ullet_ | they were done with <1mhz hardware, no cpu for fft | 11:58 |
onefang | Older electronic music was done in analogue, no digital at all. | 11:59 |
crashoverride | yeah | 12:05 |
crashoverride | but you don't do the FFT on the device that generates the sound | 12:05 |
eyalroz | gnarface: Worked like a charm, even without aptitutde. I remove the newer version of libv4l. It removed about 30 non-critical packages. Then I apt install'ed the older version, and finally installed the packages which got removed earlier. | 12:05 |
crashoverride | it'd be like trying to run an oscilloscope directly on a dozen transistor constructs | 12:06 |
gnarface | eyalroz: hooraaay!!! | 12:06 |
gnarface | eyalroz: glad you got it sorted out | 12:06 |
gnarface | eyalroz: i recommend making a backup of the working system | 12:07 |
eyalroz | gnarface: I only back up my user data, can't be bothered to back up the rest of the system :-P | 12:09 |
eyalroz | (ok, well, that and a copy of /etc) | 12:09 |
gnarface | eyalroz: i really recommend the package tree this time, your setup seems really fragile, anyone could break that upstream on you at any time | 12:10 |
eyalroz | the package tree - that's in /var/apt, right? | 12:10 |
gnarface | well, sorry, to be more specific i'd back up /etc, /usr, /var, and /home | 12:11 |
eyalroz | that's much too much much for me. But I guess it's sound advice generally. | 12:12 |
gnarface | doing that "user-data only and /etc" is safe if you're using only 1st-party components of a single specific distro. the more you mix the more you risk hitting a sort of chain reaction where it pulls in a conflicting version of apt or dpkg or something critical, and then you've made a mess you can't back out of with them | 12:12 |
eyalroz | I can always reinstall if push comes to shove. | 12:13 |
gnarface | true | 12:13 |
gnarface | at the very least, backup "dpkg -l" output so you can see what versions of everything you had, you can maybe infer what repos they were from if you need to later | 12:14 |
gnarface | building your own packages is more work up front but saves time later | 12:15 |
eyalroz | gnarface: I can do that, sure. | 12:22 |
ullet_ | r/4 | 15:02 |
gnarface | are there any tools for color balance calibration anymore? i can't seem to find the gtk tool i used to use | 17:44 |
gnarface | i don't mean like nvidia-settings either | 17:44 |
gnarface | i mean something to help me measure and calibrate, not just configure | 17:45 |
ullet_ | i forgot | 17:46 |
fsmithred | gnarface, like gpick? | 17:48 |
fsmithred | select a color on screen and it gives you the hex code | 17:49 |
fsmithred | or you mean screen temp? | 17:49 |
ullet_ | temp | 17:49 |
ullet_ | gamma etc | 17:49 |
fsmithred | yeah, I was looking for that recently. Can't remember if I found one. I don't think so. | 17:50 |
ullet_ | heh | 17:51 |
ullet_ | i could do so much more with a good memory | 17:51 |
fsmithred | I don't know if I could do more, but I sure could do it faster | 17:51 |
gnarface | there was a hacky one that worked surprisingly well, and it just had 3 colored squares on the screen, red, green, blue, with a white-checkered pattern in the middle of each to help you zero them out while your eyes were half-crossed | 17:52 |
gnarface | it was called gtk-something | 17:52 |
gnarface | gtk-gamma? | 17:52 |
gnarface | or maybe gtk-something-something | 17:52 |
gnarface | as i recall, it was deprecated but i'm surprised nobody replaced it | 17:53 |
ullet_ | hardkernel has a nice low price sbc out - odroid-C4 https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c4/ | 17:53 |
fsmithred | kgamma5 - monitor calibration panel for KDE | 17:53 |
gnarface | hmm, noted fsmithred | 17:53 |
fsmithred | also vtgamma | 17:53 |
gnarface | thanks | 17:53 |
gnarface | hmm, vtgamma is for virtual terminals? | 17:54 |
fsmithred | but they might be like redshift, which gives you 57 ways to set gamma but no way to just read the current settings | 17:54 |
fsmithred | vtgamma - gamma correction for terminals | 17:54 |
fsmithred | I know nothing about it | 17:54 |
HyperTables | chromium on ascii is at 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1 is this safe? there's some serious CVEs reported on it: Heap buffer overflow in ANGLE in Google Chrome prior to 75.0.3770.80 allowed a remote attacker to potentially exploit heap corruption via a crafted HTML page. | 18:19 |
HyperTables | well I noticed the CVEs above the shipped version never go above 6.8, there must be a cutoff CVE score above which an upgrade is done | 18:21 |
gnarface | HyperTables: well, if you have ascii-security in your sources.list it's supposed to have gotten patches up to a certain point (some point far later than the major version would imply) | 18:22 |
gnarface | HyperTables: i'm not sure if that point is "current" but there might be a newer version in ascii-backports... | 18:23 |
HyperTables | well I do have ascii-security enabled .. without that you get 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1 | 18:23 |
gnarface | beowulf is in beta and seems usable from what i can tell, so that's an option too if you're brave | 18:24 |
HyperTables | well ubuntu has 79.0.3945.79-0ubuntu0.19.10.2 in eoan-updates | 18:25 |
HyperTables | but then ubuntu was always about shipping fresher software | 18:26 |
TwistedFate | HyperTables: current version is 83? | 19:14 |
TwistedFate | i honestly wouldn't use a browser if it was so outdated | 19:14 |
TwistedFate | HyperTables: also, you might like this https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium | 19:16 |
Jjp137 | HyperTables, since you're on ascii, chromium doesn't get any more updates because in Debian, they discontinued chromium security support for stretch (source: https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4654) | 19:33 |
Jjp137 | so you can either upgrade to beowulf or if you need to stay on ascii, use firefox-esr instead | 19:33 |
tom | I can't do any remote SSH wireshark captures in beowulf | 21:27 |
Guest8617 | it says connection refused, but I can SSH into the hosts on the same port just fine | 21:27 |
Guest8617 | is this something to do with the new apparmor stuff? | 21:29 |
Guest8617 | where wireshark isn't allowed to make SSH connections now | 21:29 |
bsd4me | I'm running Linux refracta 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 21:35 |
bsd4me | and curious about upgrading the system and kernel. Do I uncomment /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list? | 21:35 |
bsd4me | or just use apt to install linux-image? | 21:36 |
Guest8617 | bsd4me, refracta I don't think is tested | 21:38 |
Guest8617 | only Debian | 21:38 |
Guest8617 | your welcome to try but make backups | 21:38 |
bsd4me | It has beowulf :) | 21:38 |
bsd4me | I believe it's a special iso by fsmithred | 21:40 |
fsmithred | is that the one with openbox or xfce? | 21:42 |
bsd4me | xfce | 21:44 |
bsd4me | refracta10-beta_xfce_amd64-20191230_2319.iso | 21:45 |
fsmithred | and you upgraded the kernel? | 21:45 |
fsmithred | sorry, I was on the phone and talking to you at the same time | 21:46 |
bsd4me | no. Using 5.3.0.bp0 | 21:46 |
fsmithred | you don't need /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list | 21:46 |
bsd4me | ok | 21:46 |
fsmithred | delete that file so you don't get confused | 21:46 |
bsd4me | so just leave kernel at 5.3? | 21:46 |
fsmithred | and thanks for pointing it out. I forgot it was there. | 21:46 |
bsd4me | ok, will delete it :) | 21:46 |
_abc_ | I am lost in aptitude on ascii again. This is an aptitude question. I have several (dozen) libreoffice related packages installed, I want to upgrade all of them. Whenever I try to select one of them for upgrade, scrolling down to the latest version in it and + I get umpteen idiotic dependencies. It's like herding cats. Which package is the "top" of the tree in the libreoffice herd? | 21:47 |
bsd4me | deleted devuan.list | 21:47 |
fsmithred | :) | 21:48 |
bsd4me | Otherwise, really enjoying refracta. Congrats! | 21:48 |
fsmithred | cool. I actually spent some time working on that yesterday. | 21:49 |
fsmithred | I hope to update the isos soon. | 21:49 |
bsd4me | I honestly can't really think of any disappointments with it since installing and using :) | 21:50 |
fsmithred | well, I noticed that I forgot to install mpv | 21:50 |
fsmithred | and a couple other things, just minor stuff | 21:50 |
bsd4me | wow, I never noticed that one. | 21:50 |
fsmithred | I think mplayer is installed | 21:51 |
bsd4me | I normally use mplayer quite a bit, but I've been happy with vlc so far. | 21:51 |
bsd4me | mplayer is installed | 21:52 |
fsmithred | they all work pretty well these days | 21:52 |
fsmithred | is xarchiver installed? | 21:52 |
bsd4me | yes | 21:52 |
fsmithred | oh, good | 21:53 |
bsd4me | you made a pretty good iso and the system works very well on this lenovo ideapad | 21:54 |
bsd4me | ideapad 320-15ast | 21:54 |
_abc_ | Is this a new release fsmithred ? | 21:55 |
bsd4me | brb | 21:55 |
fsmithred | no, it's a beowulf beta I made Dec. 30 | 21:56 |
fsmithred | beta2 or rc coming soon | 21:56 |
_abc_ | Either that or the virus. Half kidding. Brb. | 21:56 |
fsmithred | I in massachusetts, so it's all around me. | 21:59 |
fsmithred | I can brag that Refracta is the desktop distribution of choice in the dyne.org office. | 22:00 |
Guest8617 | it says connection refused, but I can SSH into the hosts on the same port just fine | 22:00 |
Guest8617 | I can't do any remote SSH wireshark captures in beowulf | 22:00 |
Guest8617 | wait, what is the difference between Devuan and Refracta | 22:03 |
fsmithred | Refracta is a devuan re-spin, a derivative distribution | 22:03 |
fsmithred | used to be a re-spin of debian until jessie. | 22:03 |
Guest8617 | what is different | 22:03 |
Guest8617 | Devuan is a general purpose os | 22:04 |
Guest8617 | and from what I'm reading so is refracta | 22:04 |
fsmithred | it's a live iso with xfce installed mostly without metapackages... | 22:04 |
fsmithred | it has a different set of apps from the default devuan install, a little lighter weight | 22:04 |
fsmithred | and it has tools to respin your own installable live-iso | 22:05 |
fsmithred | with refracta you get to install exaclty what's on the live-cd | 22:05 |
fsmithred | it doesn't include the traditional debian-installer | 22:05 |
Guest8617 | fsmithred, would it be against the license of Devuan at all to create a paid respin of Devuan designed for business workstations with additional software not part of Devuan? | 22:06 |
fsmithred | there are a few other devuan derivatives that use the same tools for remastering, and there are a few that include debian-installer | 22:06 |
fsmithred | it's not a violation to sell disks of gpl-licenced software | 22:07 |
fsmithred | if you mix free with non-free, you probably need to talk to a lawyer | 22:07 |
bsd4me | I forget now the problem, but refracta solved some problem that I had trying to install devuan. Maybe kernel related... I forget, but refracta installed so I use it :) | 22:10 |
stovepipe | fsmithred: it was just the missing ati firmware package | 22:50 |
stovepipe | i noticed synergy is gone | 22:51 |
Guest8617 | How do I use gpg-agent to authenticate wireshark for SSH remote capture? | 22:51 |
Guest8617 | it keeps failing to auth me when ssh works just fine because I'm using gpg-agent for ssh authentication with my PGP identity instead of ssh-agent | 22:51 |
stovepipe | but 1.11.1 built fine | 22:51 |
mason | stovepipe: synergy has an interesting licensing history that probably matters here | 22:53 |
stovepipe | heh yeah | 22:53 |
_abc_ | Oh checking out dyne.org it is a Dutch .org | 23:29 |
_abc_ | This would be a good start for a text entry style based biometric system I think. https://www.dyne.org/software/tbt/ | 23:34 |
_abc_ | As in, it's not the password that matters, but how you type it! | 23:35 |
qih | o/ | 23:57 |
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