mtnman | helo | 00:49 |
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mtnman | i am setting up usb networking between beaglebone black (running devuan) and pinephone. configuring using ifconfig works, but ifup/down does not. i have a relevant stanze in /etc/network/interfaces for the usb0 interface. | 00:53 |
mtnman | /stanza/ | 00:53 |
mtnman | is there anything special needed for usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces? at this point it is similar to my entry for eth0. | 00:55 |
mtnman | when i do "ifdown usb0" i get: ifdown: interface usb0 not configured, but ifconfig tells me that usb0 is configured. in fact, the BBB is connected to pinephone via usb0 and ssh session is open across that interface. | 00:57 |
mtnman | nm, got it working now. | 01:14 |
mtnman | helo | 07:40 |
gnarface | hello mtnman, what did the solution to your problem earlier end up being? | 07:43 |
-Kelar- FUCKING NAZIS WILL BE SHOT | 11:21 | |
okra | whats justice about devuan? | 14:49 |
okra | hey so aside from the odd channel greeting i have an issue with beowulf if anyones around to offer advice | 15:05 |
gnarface | okra: it's a pretty quiet channel usually. the best strategy is to just ask the question and wait. | 15:08 |
okra | yeah i was here before but the apt repos seem to have changed a bit since my last install | 15:10 |
gnarface | use deb.devuan.org now | 15:11 |
gnarface | some other ones that had been deprecated for a while finally got removed from the DNS | 15:11 |
okra | looking to get amdgpu set up on a new install and all kinds of hangups | 15:12 |
gnarface | only very basic functionality is available in main. you'll need to include the firmware package from non-free if you want any hardware acceleration | 15:12 |
onefang | I'm about to do that now on my new super desktop. | 15:12 |
gnarface | i forget the exact package name | 15:14 |
okra | ok i'll try that i was looking into backports but thought i'd check in here first.. lots of unmet dependencies and broken packages after simply adding contrib ,non-free to apt and updating before running install of amdgpu or amd driver changing /etc/os_release | 15:14 |
fsmithred | firmware-amd-graphics | 15:14 |
onefang | Beat me to it fsmithred. | 15:15 |
fsmithred | maybe firmware-misc-nonfree and the other nonfree firmware package. | 15:15 |
fsmithred | the one with the old name | 15:15 |
fsmithred | apt-cache search firmware after you update | 15:16 |
okra | none of those have install candidates | 15:16 |
okra | lemme edit sources for deb.devuan.org | 15:16 |
gnarface | okra: your sources.list is suspect | 15:16 |
onefang | Which version of Devuan? | 15:17 |
onefang | And yeah, use deb.devuan.org. | 15:17 |
okra | they actually are already deb.devuan$org already hrmm | 15:17 |
fsmithred | try updating again | 15:18 |
fsmithred | firmware-amd-graphics 20190114-2 is in beowulf | 15:18 |
okra | all up to date | 15:19 |
okra | i had a typo in the security repo early on before my first update but that cant be it | 15:19 |
okra | aptitude isnt even available to install | 15:19 |
fsmithred | ? | 15:19 |
fsmithred | do you just have security and updates? | 15:20 |
fsmithred | put your source.list on paste.debian.net and show us | 15:20 |
brocashelm | why does this idiot keep spamming the channels | 15:20 |
okra | yeah graphics-amd is just not found but i saw amd_graphics in another resource which leads to "referred to another package" | 15:21 |
fsmithred | apt-cache search firmware | 15:21 |
onefang | Or try amd-graphics instead of graphics-amd. B-) | 15:22 |
fsmithred | brocashelm, maybe something to do with current Greek politics | 15:22 |
okra | yeah beowulf security and beowulf updates | 15:22 |
fsmithred | you need a line that's just beowulf | 15:22 |
fsmithred | three lines: beowulf beowulf-updates beowulf-security | 15:23 |
okra | hrmm alright sec | 15:23 |
fsmithred | I'm guessing you installed without a mirror. | 15:24 |
okra | i commented out the cdrom i guess thats the diff from install while back it was netinst this was dvd | 15:24 |
okra | k updating again | 15:26 |
fsmithred | this will work better | 15:27 |
okra | man i poured some concrete under the porch the other day i hope it set up enough to tolerate this dip in temps we are a few degrees below freezing and wont be north of the temp for a day or so | 15:28 |
okra | still updating | 15:28 |
fsmithred | yikes | 15:28 |
okra | who is the spammer brocashelm? | 15:28 |
brocashelm | okra: kelar was the nick from earlier | 15:29 |
fsmithred | someone from Greece coming in under different names. Today was a different IP. | 15:29 |
okra | missed it ;/ | 15:29 |
fsmithred | lucky | 15:29 |
okra | eyyy its working okay coolios | 15:29 |
fsmithred | I think the freezing point for concrete is probably lower than pure water, so you should be ok. | 15:30 |
okra | yeah i should have caught that its not usual i venture into dvd iso's | 15:30 |
xinomilo | if i may ask, what did spammer write about? just curious, live in greece too... | 15:30 |
fsmithred | anti-nazi sentiments | 15:30 |
okra | well there is a heat created from the exothermic reaction but thats only reliable for a tad under zero and still asffects cure time and resultingf strength | 15:31 |
onefang | If the concrete freezes, you can still walk on it. B-) | 15:31 |
fsmithred | lol | 15:31 |
fsmithred | burn the porch | 15:32 |
okra | i knew this was possible in forecast its not vital supporting stuff just extra reinforcement it should be fine i'll crank the heat on the area and see if i can tarp everything in somehow | 15:32 |
okra | yeah no joke i just might burn it down by trying to avoid freezing | 15:32 |
fsmithred | risky if porch is attached to house | 15:33 |
okra | okay imna scrap it out with the rest of this install solo i will check back regardless thanks | 15:33 |
fsmithred | and we're drifting way OT here | 15:33 |
fsmithred | you can rescue the install | 15:33 |
okra | it was a zombie house when i got it not occupied for a bit and got it for a song and a prayer no huge loss | 15:33 |
okra | also insured | 15:33 |
okra | to cheers | 15:34 |
okra | err ok cheers not to | 15:34 |
fsmithred | good luck | 15:34 |
koollman | fresh concrete can freeze not that much lower than water. -4C. 25F . but even when not freezing, low temps will mess with concrete in general | 15:35 |
xinomilo | OT, stone is a much better material | 15:41 |
onefang | Time to reboot this super desktop and see if my debootstrap script installed a usable beowulf. Back later. | 15:41 |
onefang | Everything except the WiFi worked, so now I'm back in Mint to figure out how it got the WiFi to work. | 15:56 |
onefang | Hmmm, Beowulf recognised the Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) as a different Intel Network device. | 15:59 |
brocashelm | did you enable the non-free shit? one of the firmware should be it | 16:01 |
onefang | I did enable the non-free shit. | 16:01 |
brocashelm | i guess apt search intel on your mint to see which package(s) recognized the wireless | 16:02 |
onefang | I did that before I installed things, but I'll try again. | 16:02 |
brocashelm | on devuan, i know that i was able to get wifi working on my laptop by installing firmware-brcm80211 (broadcom) and that was it. not sure what intel needs | 16:04 |
gnarface | there is intel wifi hardware on the market that might need the firmware and kernel from backports | 16:06 |
mason | onefang: You probably need firmware-iwlwifi, at a guess. | 16:19 |
onefang | Perhaps, though that's not turning up on mint. It is using iwlwifi kernal module, just can't find any apt package that is installed with anything like that name. | 16:21 |
fsmithred | buntu puts them all in one package, I think | 16:21 |
brocashelm | i just remembered even lmde enables non-free shit by default | 16:22 |
fsmithred | that's part of being user-friendly | 16:22 |
mason | onefang: add contrib and non-free, apt install firmware-iwlwifi, for real | 16:23 |
brocashelm | yeah, it's not worth it to go stallman mode on people just getting into gnu/linux | 16:23 |
fsmithred | devuan installer isos will add non-free if your hardware needs it | 16:23 |
fsmithred | to avoid it, expert install | 16:23 |
mason | onefang: Don't take what's on Mint as having relevance here. | 16:24 |
brocashelm | i guess appeasing fsf is nonexistent | 16:24 |
fsmithred | yeah, we don't care what they think | 16:25 |
brocashelm | good! | 16:26 |
fsmithred | we care that some users don't want any non-free | 16:26 |
brocashelm | if systemd is """"free"""", then no point | 16:26 |
brocashelm | my method is non-free/contrib only if necessary | 16:27 |
brocashelm | i would prefer as libre as possible within reason | 16:27 |
fsmithred | same here | 16:27 |
brocashelm | because, that is the whole point of gnu/linux | 16:27 |
brocashelm | respecting the user's freedom | 16:27 |
brocashelm | not imposing unwanted """"features"""" or """"improvements"""" | 16:28 |
brocashelm | would be nice to see devuan-installed computers on the market. one can only hope | 16:28 |
onefang | Ah Mint installs the iwlwifi kernal module as part of linux-modules-extra-*-generic | 16:28 |
mason | onefang: It's not the kernel module you care about, it's the firmware. | 16:29 |
onefang | I need both. B-) | 16:30 |
mason | Well. Yes. :) | 16:30 |
mason | Is it working once you install the firmware? You'll likely want to reboot, as I'm not wholly sure how to load firmware otherwise. | 16:31 |
mason | (It | 16:31 |
mason | (It's probably worth figuring out, mind you. I just haven't, as it comes up fairly rarely.) | 16:31 |
fsmithred | possibly modprobe to remove and insert the module after installing the package. Sometimes that's needed. | 16:32 |
mason | Oh, maybe the driver loads the firmware. | 16:32 |
mason | I like that idea. I might test it later. | 16:32 |
onefang | I'm using Mint (which works for all this bleeding edge harware on my new AMD Threadripper 3990X box), to debootstrap Beowulf. With no WiFi on Beowulf, I have to do my research on Mint. | 16:32 |
onefang | So I'm trying to figure out what to apt get in the debootstrap script. | 16:33 |
mason | onefang: Take care if you use LUKS. Bootstrapping from an Ubuntu derivative will mean the LUKS you set up will be too new for Beowulf to handle on its own. | 16:33 |
fsmithred | does mint have apt-file? | 16:33 |
mason | onefang: What to apt-get for what? | 16:33 |
mason | fsmithred: yeah | 16:33 |
mason | Mint is Debian or Ubuntu, and has all the tools. | 16:34 |
onefang | I just want to get everything working before I do fancy stuff like LUKS. | 16:34 |
mason | LUKS is sort of a "decide at the beginning" thing, but sure. | 16:34 |
fsmithred | cryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 ... | 16:34 |
onefang | What package to apt install so Beowulf WiFi works. | 16:34 |
brocashelm | luks and i don't get along | 16:34 |
onefang | Once that debootstrop is working for the basics, then I can get fancy. | 16:35 |
mason | fsmithred: Yeah, iwlwifi shows up as a module I can load/unload, so I'll boot without firmware later, confirm I see no NIC, and then install/reload and report back. | 16:35 |
mason | onefang: I'm thinking of stripping out the non-Devuan stuff from my installer if you want a model that mostly works. | 16:36 |
onefang | Ah Mint has the iwlwifi firmware in the linux-firmware package. | 16:36 |
onefang | My debootstrap script is what I have been using for years to install ASCII. I'm sticking with it. | 16:36 |
mason | Well, you're all set, then. | 16:37 |
mason | onefang: Something to remember is that this is a volunteer effort. Vehemently rejecting help can sour the experience for the folks volunteering time. "No, thank you" might be more appropriate. | 16:39 |
onefang | More appropriate than what? | 16:41 |
mason | onefang: I offered to touch up a script to narrow the focus so it'd be directly useful to you. Your response to that is what I'm referring to. | 16:41 |
onefang | I said I already have a script that has been working for years, what part of that is "Vehemently rejecting help"? | 16:43 |
mason | onefang: Try out "No, thank you" instead of "I'm sticking with it" for size. | 16:44 |
onefang | Either could be misconstrued as being rude. lol | 16:44 |
mason | I guess. Either way, I hope you get an install that works for you. | 16:46 |
brocashelm | it might work on chimaera/ceres by now | 17:00 |
eyalroz | Hello devuaners, | 17:29 |
eyalroz | I have a question about bison vs bison++ and why they conflict: | 17:29 |
eyalroz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613722/bison-vs-bison | 17:29 |
mason | eyalroz: There's a good answer to your question posted there. | 17:50 |
mason | looks like 11 minutes ago | 17:50 |
mason | 12 now | 17:50 |
eyalroz | mason: Indeed. But still, | 17:58 |
eyalroz | I wonder why bison++ doesn't provide /usr/bin/bison++ instead of /usr/bin/bison | 17:58 |
eyalroz | as that would have prevented the conflict | 17:58 |
eyalroz | by the way - can the alternatives mechanism get used when two packages provide the same file? | 17:59 |
mason | eyalroz: Yes. | 17:59 |
eyalroz | mason: Can I make that happen myself somehow, for bison and bison++? | 18:00 |
mason | eyalroz: I'd always assumed the package had to be a willing participant and install a per-package unique name, but I might be wrong about that. | 18:02 |
mason | eyalroz: After a quick search, I'm not seeing a really clean way to do it. What I myself would do if I needed both is either just build one from upstream source and manage it with GNU Stow, or grab the bison++ source package and patch it so that it does call the result bison++, with the caveat that that's probably not what third-party software will expect or reference. | 18:07 |
eyalroz | I haven't heard about GNU stow before. And, yes, I guess getting the source would work. I'll not even patch it, just install it to /opt/bison++ or something, and have my dependent package search there. | 18:08 |
mason | Probably defaults to /usr/local, but either way, yeah. | 18:10 |
mason | The advantage of GNU Stow is that you can cleanly uninstall and install a new version. | 18:10 |
onefang | firmware-iwlwifi did the trick. | 19:57 |
mason | Yes. | 20:23 |
brocashelm | i knew it | 21:31 |
eyalroz | Are there known issues with false dependencies of source packages on systemd? | 22:58 |
eyalroz | Specifically, "apt build-dep mariadb-server" gives me complaints about how I'm not going to instal libsystemd-dev and libreadline-gplv2-dev | 22:58 |
hagbard_ | libelogind-dev could do | 23:00 |
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