e3d3 | fsmithred: maybe it is because I've put the music-folder in the root of the iso ? | 00:00 |
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fsmithred | did it give you an error message? Is there a wireless password | 00:00 |
e3d3 | fsmithred: the button "switch off/on wifi" | 00:00 |
fsmithred | presence of a folder shouldn't matter, but how the iso got repacked might make a difference | 00:00 |
e3d3 | It didn't give any message and was 'greyed-out' | 00:00 |
fsmithred | saw wlan0 in the network manager? You mean where it shows the default interfaces? | 00:02 |
fsmithred | ip a | 00:02 |
fsmithred | will show you what interfaces the system sees | 00:02 |
e3d3 | at first I though about mounting the iso, copying it, add music-dir and make a new iso with mkisof, but because I don't want to learn about iso I choose a GUI tool (1 MB install) | 00:02 |
fsmithred | what command does it use to pack the iso? I'll bet it's not the same command that refractasnapshot uses. | 00:03 |
fsmithred | ip a | 00:03 |
fsmithred | does wlan0 show up | 00:03 |
fsmithred | ? | 00:03 |
e3d3 | I save wlan0 in the network manager > preferences > tab 'general settings' > text input field 'wireless interface'. In the live distro this field was blank | 00:04 |
e3d3 | save = saw | 00:04 |
fsmithred | you're using network-manager or wicd? | 00:05 |
fsmithred | open a terminal and type the following: | 00:05 |
fsmithred | ip a | 00:05 |
fsmithred | then press enter | 00:05 |
fsmithred | tell me if you see wlan0 listed in the output | 00:05 |
e3d3 | 'ip a' shows wlan0, but now I'm in the orginal system, not in the snapshot, otherwise I couldn't talk | 00:05 |
e3d3 | I'm using wicd | 00:07 |
fsmithred | ok, good. I know that one. | 00:07 |
fsmithred | well, do you know what wireless hardware you have in the different computers? Did you install firmware for all of them that need it? | 00:07 |
e3d3 | I still have the orginal snapshot, but prefer to make only a new one WITH working network | 00:08 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's a good idea | 00:08 |
fsmithred | do you understand that most wireless hardware needs special software installed for it? | 00:08 |
e3d3 | yes, but most live distro's have no problems connecting | 00:09 |
fsmithred | install whatever wireless firmware packages you think you will need | 00:09 |
fsmithred | most live distros install non-free by default | 00:10 |
fsmithred | debian does not, refracta does not, devuan does or does not depending on how you install it | 00:10 |
fsmithred | you started with a Refracta iso or something else? | 00:11 |
e3d3 | It was an understatement that I'm network-dyslectic. I'm so happy that wifi works without spending more than 30 minutes, some sweat & wicd | 00:11 |
fsmithred | should not take 30 minutes to install a few firmware packages | 00:13 |
fsmithred | if you started with a Refracta iso, the firmware packages are in the user's home. | 00:13 |
e3d3 | I have hardware rapports (mostly made with inxi) that tell that I used the ath9k v driver/something but I'm so afrain to mess my whole system due to my panic/crazy reactions | 00:14 |
fsmithred | ath9k should work without extra firmware | 00:14 |
fsmithred | pretty sure | 00:14 |
fsmithred | but you will need to install firmware for other wireless | 00:14 |
e3d3 | fsmithred: I think that 30 minutes for you correspond to 3 sleepless weeks for me | 00:14 |
fsmithred | The system you used to make the snapshot has internet? | 00:15 |
e3d3 | other wireless, you mean wireless drivers for all my laptops ? | 00:15 |
fsmithred | yes | 00:15 |
fsmithred | do you know what they need? | 00:15 |
e3d3 | fsmithred: yes, that is this system, Devuan Beowolf | 00:16 |
fsmithred | do you know how to enable the contrib and non-free repos? | 00:16 |
fsmithred | devuan beowulf | 00:16 |
fsmithred | cool | 00:16 |
fsmithred | do you know how to enable the contrib and non-free repos? | 00:16 |
e3d3 | I normally do such thing with synaptic GUI. (wolf is Dutch for wulf) | 00:17 |
fsmithred | lol | 00:17 |
fsmithred | ls /home/e3de/firmware.beowulf | 00:17 |
fsmithred | sorry, I spelled your name wrong | 00:18 |
fsmithred | dyslectics of the world, UNTIE! | 00:18 |
e3d3 | ls: cannot access '/home/e3d3/firmware.beowulf': No such file or directory | 00:18 |
fsmithred | ok | 00:18 |
fsmithred | apt install firmware-iwlwifi firmware-realtek | 00:20 |
fsmithred | start with those | 00:20 |
fsmithred | make a new iso | 00:20 |
fsmithred | better yet... | 00:20 |
fsmithred | figure out which ones you really need | 00:20 |
fsmithred | boot the other computers, run 'lspci' and see what you have for network hardware | 00:20 |
fsmithred | write down the make and model | 00:20 |
fsmithred | install the firmware you need, copy the audio folder to the build system, and make a new snapshot | 00:21 |
fsmithred | don't screw around with repacking isos | 00:21 |
e3d3 | so I have to install on my still blinking and fresh smelling Beowulf firmware for other laptops ? | 00:22 |
fsmithred | yes | 00:22 |
fsmithred | or... | 00:22 |
fsmithred | install a system inside a Virtual Machine and make the iso in that. | 00:22 |
fsmithred | so you make it the way you want the live system to be | 00:23 |
fsmithred | do the other laptops have ethernet ports, or are they only wireless | 00:23 |
fsmithred | ? | 00:23 |
e3d3 | I also don't like copying my music dir. Its on another partition. And I also don't want to install a VM for it, not until I need it for 'more important' things. My other laptops have also ethernet ports, which I normally only use cq prefer above wifi. | 00:24 |
fsmithred | if they have ethernet, you can install without the wireless firmware | 00:25 |
fsmithred | add the firmware after install | 00:25 |
fsmithred | copy the music dir to /home/work/myfs | 00:25 |
e3d3 | I added the audio dir only because I excluded the /media folder in total to avoid excluding all the subdirs except 1 | 00:25 |
fsmithred | then run snapshot again and select the option to re-squash | 00:25 |
fsmithred | you have to set the config file to save_work="yes" | 00:26 |
fsmithred | so that it keeps the filesystem copy | 00:26 |
fsmithred | then you can edit the copy and re-squash (make a new iso) | 00:27 |
fsmithred | are the other laptops very new? | 00:28 |
e3d3 | where can I edit the copy. I just wanted to tell you that all my laptops are considered old | 00:28 |
fsmithred | did you try booting the original iso on the other computers? The one before you repacked it | 00:28 |
fsmithred | ok, so you probably don't need firmware-amd-graphics | 00:29 |
fsmithred | I was wondering about the black screen you mentioned | 00:29 |
e3d3 | no I didn't. I added the audio dir because there so much space left on the DVD | 00:29 |
fsmithred | you can edit the copy where I told you: /home/work/myfs/ | 00:29 |
e3d3 | non of my laptops uses uefi, maybe I should have disabled this ? | 00:29 |
fsmithred | then run snapshot again, but don't choose the first option, choose the one that says re-squash | 00:30 |
fsmithred | 2. Re-squash and make iso (no-copy) | 00:30 |
e3d3 | option 2: re-squash and make iso (no copy) ? | 00:30 |
fsmithred | yes | 00:30 |
e3d3 | stop premptively following me | 00:31 |
fsmithred | lol | 00:31 |
e3d3 | joke I remembered from another channel, without the spelling problems I have | 00:31 |
fsmithred | if you were to choose the first option, it would wipe out the edits you made | 00:31 |
fsmithred | by recopying the whole system and deleting any files in the copy that are not in the original system | 00:32 |
e3d3 | :) that would be fun after adding audio dir. | 00:32 |
fsmithred | you burned it to a dvd? | 00:33 |
e3d3 | yes | 00:33 |
fsmithred | ok, try this... | 00:33 |
fsmithred | boot that dvd again in one of the laptops (or both) where it didn't work | 00:33 |
fsmithred | choose the boot-to-ram option in the boot menu | 00:33 |
e3d3 | doing it now, on a HP that boot very slowly | 00:34 |
fsmithred | it will take a couple minutes to boot, but it might work better. | 00:34 |
fsmithred | there. You were first that time. | 00:34 |
fsmithred | brb | 00:34 |
fsmithred | back | 00:41 |
e3d3 | hello again; the HP didn't boot, now an Acer laptop is booting to ram | 00:42 |
fsmithred | what did the HP do? | 00:42 |
e3d3 | should a part of a crazy GRUB menu, and then continued with the grub on the harddisk | 00:43 |
e3d3 | should = showed | 00:43 |
fsmithred | alright. Probably just make a new iso and don't use that other program on it. iso-what? | 00:44 |
e3d3 | I just could read grub, before it disappeared. before this it should a underscore that move to the bottom off a black screen | 00:44 |
e3d3 | isomaster. It seemed respectable according to the stuff I've read about remastering iso's. | 00:45 |
fsmithred | yeah, but I don't know what it does | 00:46 |
fsmithred | and it might not know what I do | 00:47 |
e3d3 | a master should know all relevant things | 00:47 |
fsmithred | lol | 00:48 |
e3d3 | snapshot is bussy with the audio files (ca 2 GB ?) | 00:48 |
fsmithred | yeah, that'll take some time to copy | 00:49 |
fsmithred | longer to squash | 00:49 |
fsmithred | you doing this on a laptop? | 00:49 |
e3d3 | hope I have enough memory in that laptop | 00:49 |
fsmithred | disk space, not memory | 00:49 |
e3d3 | so yes. I only have laptops, that is no desktop pc | 00:50 |
fsmithred | watch your temprature | 00:50 |
fsmithred | this is Refracta? if so, run 'sensors' in a terminal | 00:50 |
e3d3 | It looks like it is finished, again with a back screen | 00:50 |
fsmithred | oh, the old dvd? | 00:50 |
e3d3 | yes, you told "boot that dvd again" | 00:51 |
fsmithred | yup | 00:51 |
fsmithred | to ram | 00:51 |
fsmithred | other thing you could try is booting the failsafe option | 00:51 |
e3d3 | I did also boot to ram | 00:51 |
e3d3 | to bad the adjust screen brightness keys don't work | 00:52 |
fsmithred | you think it's just too dark? | 00:52 |
fsmithred | ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2) | 00:52 |
fsmithred | should put you on console. | 00:53 |
e3d3 | I hear the fan reacting, but still have the same blackness | 00:53 |
e3d3 | I think that the screen is just to dark, or it turns to that when shutting down | 00:55 |
e3d3 | I'll the failsafe boot | 00:55 |
e3d3 | I'll try the failsafe boot | 00:55 |
e3d3 | I'm woried that I waist your time while maybe it just an isomaster issue | 00:56 |
fsmithred | I'm gonna go find more food while you play | 00:57 |
e3d3 | bon apetite | 00:57 |
e3d3 | scary; it sounds as if my DVD drive is carving into my desk with this failsave boot option | 00:59 |
e3d3 | (all my dvd drives are waisted to the bone) | 01:03 |
e3d3 | screen had become black again but the dvd drive keeps rattling | 01:09 |
e3d3 | screen stays black, but I can get into tty's (Ctrl-Alt-F1), where it shows error messages; SQUASHFS error and print_req_error | 01:13 |
fsmithred | oh, cool | 01:14 |
fsmithred | look at ~/.xsession-errors | 01:14 |
fsmithred | and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 01:15 |
e3d3 | I just shut it down :() | 01:15 |
fsmithred | you don't want to know what went wrong? | 01:15 |
e3d3 | no of course not, I only want to know that it did what we want it to do ;) No, I was worried that the drive would explode | 01:16 |
fsmithred | ok | 01:16 |
e3d3 | and I could input anything. The error message continued | 01:16 |
e3d3 | error messageS | 01:16 |
e3d3 | I have 3 other Acer laptop to try with but I think I better try burning another DVD, without using isomaster | 01:18 |
fsmithred | yeah, that'll help narrow it down | 01:18 |
e3d3 | but I really don't want to install 7 different wifi drivers for all my different laptops, even if I use only 2 normally. | 01:18 |
fsmithred | then just install the ones you need | 01:19 |
e3d3 | I have a ralink wifi usb adaptor, that almost all live distro recognize. Maybe I should add only the driver for this, but I'm still (more than) woried that I mess up my wifi on this fresh system, because that would make me complete helpless for a couple of weeks due to irational panick/blindness/etc. Sorry but you can't image my struggle with network knowledge. | 01:22 |
fsmithred | firmware-ralink | 01:22 |
fsmithred | you won't mess it up | 01:22 |
fsmithred | I usually add three or four to my own | 01:23 |
fsmithred | the devuan live isos have all of the ones that don't require a user agreement | 01:23 |
e3d3 | but this system allready can handle this wifi adapter, although I don't know with what driver. Would installing the ralink-firmware not interfere with my current settings, or require more manual interaction than installing with synaptic > | 01:24 |
fsmithred | right. They won't interfere with each other | 01:24 |
fsmithred | the kernel already has code to deal with hundreds of different pieces of hardware so that it works on everyone's computer. | 01:25 |
fsmithred | it just uses what it needs to use | 01:25 |
e3d3 | except when I need a wifi driver that is allready installed | 01:26 |
e3d3 | I don't care if it uses a less good driver, so long as I don't have to worry to end up in the swamp | 01:26 |
fsmithred | ralink won't work at all without the firmware | 01:27 |
e3d3 | I just see that firware is allready installed for ralink and atheros, and some other wifi-hardware | 01:29 |
e3d3 | My default Devuan repository has no other ralink stuff | 01:30 |
fsmithred | you installed those? | 01:31 |
e3d3 | no | 01:31 |
e3d3 | of course not :) | 01:31 |
fsmithred | refracta does not have any nonfree firmware installed | 01:32 |
e3d3 | but I'm on Devuan | 01:32 |
fsmithred | ah, ok | 01:32 |
fsmithred | you started with the desktop-live? | 01:32 |
e3d3 | I install with that, and now running the installed version from harddisk | 01:33 |
fsmithred | ok, try this to see what's installed | 01:33 |
fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep firmware | 01:33 |
fsmithred | don't paste the result here | 01:34 |
e3d3 | I was just asking that | 01:34 |
e3d3 | I see 16 firmware's installed | 01:35 |
e3d3 | including ralink, atheros and misc-nonfree | 01:35 |
fsmithred | right | 01:35 |
fsmithred | so that's all set. Unless you need broadcom drivers. | 01:36 |
e3d3 | (with the comming vacin from microsoft I worry less for free software) | 01:36 |
e3d3 | I don't think I need broadcom drivers, at least not on my primairy 2 laptops, so I don't worry about that much | 01:37 |
e3d3 | so if I make a snapshot and uncomment: netconfig_opt="ip=frommedia" | 01:41 |
e3d3 | will my wifi password be stored on the snapshot ? | 01:41 |
fsmithred | I forget | 01:41 |
fsmithred | man live_config should say | 01:42 |
fsmithred | sorry, man live-config | 01:42 |
fsmithred | live-boot | 01:43 |
fsmithred | it will use /etc/network/interfaces | 01:43 |
fsmithred | if you want to save wireless settings, you have to keep some other files. | 01:44 |
e3d3 | searching for 'passw' got no match, maybe it is in live-boot, -builds or -tools | 01:45 |
e3d3 | iface lo inet loopback | 01:45 |
fsmithred | uncomment that and it will save the settings. Says so in the comments in the config file. | 01:45 |
fsmithred | ip=frommedia | 01:46 |
fsmithred | why you looking for passw? | 01:46 |
e3d3 | because I'm woried that my password will be copied to the snapshot | 01:46 |
fsmithred | yeah, it will | 01:47 |
e3d3 | and other people can read it. | 01:47 |
fsmithred | with uncommenting ip=frommedia | 01:47 |
fsmithred | it will save the wicd settings in /var/lib/wicd/configurations | 01:47 |
e3d3 | I don't want that. I want wifi connection but supply the password again after the snapshot booted | 01:47 |
fsmithred | if you don't save the password in wicd, then it won't be there | 01:47 |
fsmithred | wicd lets you add the password each time, or do you have to remove it? | 01:48 |
e3d3 | so I must unset saving the wifi password (can't remember I saved it) before making the snapshot, uncomment the ip=frommedia line in the refracta config, and I'm good to go | 01:49 |
e3d3 | I only supplied my wifi password once. | 01:49 |
fsmithred | why? | 01:49 |
fsmithred | if you're removing the settings, why are you trying to save the settings? | 01:49 |
e3d3 | after that I only have to click on the connect buttons after each boot | 01:50 |
fsmithred | you setting a static ip address for ethernet? | 01:50 |
fsmithred | and then it will fail if you don't give it the password | 01:50 |
e3d3 | I have not used ethernet on this new installed Devuan yet | 01:50 |
fsmithred | so you will have to do exactly what you would do without ip=frommedia | 01:51 |
e3d3 | but then my wifi password will be readable for other is they get my snapshot disk | 01:51 |
e3d3 | is = if | 01:51 |
fsmithred | your wifi password won't be there | 01:51 |
fsmithred | unless you use ip=frommedia | 01:52 |
fsmithred | that's what it's for | 01:52 |
e3d3 | now I don't understand it anymore :( | 01:52 |
fsmithred | ok | 01:52 |
fsmithred | if you would like to save your wireless settings, uncomment ip=frommedia | 01:53 |
fsmithred | but you already said you don't want to save them | 01:53 |
fsmithred | so do not uncomment that line | 01:53 |
e3d3 | I didn't uncomment the ip... line in my snapshot, and couldn't connect. | 01:53 |
fsmithred | for a different reason I would guess | 01:53 |
fsmithred | wicd should see nearby wireless signals | 01:54 |
fsmithred | show you the ssid | 01:54 |
e3d3 | but the button 'switch on/off wifi' was greyed out | 01:54 |
e3d3 | I tried the other drivers in wicd preferences | 01:55 |
fsmithred | if the laptop has a physical switch, that might need to be turned on | 01:55 |
fsmithred | or check rfkill to see if it needs to be turned on with that | 01:55 |
e3d3 | I don't have the rfkill command | 01:56 |
fsmithred | oh, it's also possible that you're running into a eudev bug | 01:56 |
rrq | doesn't wicd require seting "wlan0" or is that setting preserved? | 01:56 |
fsmithred | which is why I suggested booting to ram - that's a way to avoid it | 01:56 |
fsmithred | I believe he said it was set to that | 01:56 |
e3d3 | and also no physical switch for wifi on this laptop | 01:56 |
rrq | fsmithred: "wlan0" is also a non-default set up of wicd, stored in one of it conf files... and my q was wether that conf file is preserved while the connection conf is not? | 01:59 |
e3d3 | I typed wlan0 in wcid, just a wild guess, and it worked and was preserved between reboots. In the snapshot its wicd was wlan0 also preserved, but I couldn't use it | 01:59 |
fsmithred | yes. interface is stored in /etc/wicd/ | 01:59 |
rrq | .. manager-settings.conf | 01:59 |
fsmithred | that gets copied to the snapshot | 01:59 |
fsmithred | yeah | 01:59 |
rrq | connection in ../wireless-settings.conf | 02:00 |
rrq | so the first one should be saved and the second should not | 02:00 |
fsmithred | and you booted from a burned dvd when you couldn't use wireless? That's on the same computer you used to make the snapshot? | 02:01 |
e3d3 | yes | 02:01 |
fsmithred | but you didn't boot to ram that time, right? | 02:01 |
e3d3 | also 100% correct | 02:01 |
fsmithred | try that | 02:01 |
fsmithred | which iso did you use? | 02:02 |
e3d3 | okay, but than I have to disconnect from IRC. | 02:02 |
e3d3 | what do you mean with 'which iso' | 02:02 |
e3d3 | I used the iso that isomaster created from the snapshot | 02:03 |
fsmithred | which devuan iso? the official desktop-live? | 02:03 |
fsmithred | well, try booting to ram on that same computer and see if wireless works | 02:03 |
fsmithred | if it does, I can tell you how to fix it on the next snapshot | 02:04 |
fsmithred | do any of these laptops boot from usb? | 02:04 |
e3d3 | I didn't use a Devuan iso. I started refracta snapshot from the on harddisk installed Devuan. | 02:05 |
e3d3 | All off my laptops can boot from usb | 02:05 |
fsmithred | how did you install devuan to the hard disk? | 02:05 |
e3d3 | with the full 64bits Devuan iso burned to DVD, and installed from the live system | 02:06 |
fsmithred | ok, try boot to ram on same machine | 02:06 |
fsmithred | now or later. Whichever you want. | 02:07 |
e3d3 | Okay, I'm going to login to IRC from another laptop, and reboot this machine with the snapshot in RAM | 02:09 |
e3d3 | the load to ram is bussy with copying the extra audio. Luckaly I didn't fill the DVD to the max. | 02:22 |
fsmithred | how much ram you have? | 02:23 |
e3d3 | I think 4 GB on that machine. | 02:23 |
fsmithred | your iso is smaller than that? | 02:25 |
e3d3 | hey, I see a mouse cursor, on a black screen with a white and 2 grey bars. When I move the mouse it jumps instead of smooth moving, and nothing else seems to work | 02:25 |
fsmithred | give it a little longer | 02:25 |
fsmithred | sometimes desktop loads slow | 02:25 |
e3d3 | okay, you're right, I see the icon from the menu appearing, that is promising | 02:27 |
fsmithred | how big is your iso? | 02:27 |
fsmithred | 3GB? 3.5GB? | 02:27 |
e3d3 | I think a little 3.2 GB if I remember well | 02:28 |
fsmithred | so you'll have just barely enough left to run the system | 02:28 |
fsmithred | don't open a web browser! | 02:28 |
e3d3 | more than halve of it is the added audio dir | 02:28 |
e3d3 | okay, I won't. Its is still loading the desktop, I now also see the clock on the panel/taskbar | 02:29 |
fsmithred | the glacier is advancing | 02:30 |
e3d3 | suddenly it stopped. I could only read 'something ... display' before it opens the login screen, with my username filled in, something I normally don't see | 02:31 |
e3d3 | can I login now ? | 02:31 |
fsmithred | ok, maybe ran out of ram. Try login | 02:31 |
fsmithred | if not, try ctrl-alt-F2 | 02:32 |
e3d3 | they input fields disappeared but the red background remains, maybe it needs again a long time, or should I try ctrl-alt-f2 | 02:33 |
fsmithred | yeah, drop to console | 02:34 |
fsmithred | log in as root when you get there | 02:34 |
e3d3 | how do I do that here | 02:36 |
fsmithred | here? | 02:36 |
e3d3 | in tty | 02:36 |
fsmithred | I thought we were talking on a computer different from the one running the dvd | 02:36 |
e3d3 | sorry, you are right. I talk from a HP laptop, but mean how do I login on the snapshot tty | 02:37 |
fsmithred | if it says login: then you log in | 02:38 |
fsmithred | if user is already logged in, the su - | 02:38 |
e3d3 | I normally only login once after booting, with a display manager, or CLI prompt that waits for login | 02:38 |
fsmithred | and give root password | 02:38 |
fsmithred | crtl-alt-F2 and tell me what you see | 02:38 |
fsmithred | it either wants you to log in or you are logged in | 02:39 |
fsmithred | or it doesn't work | 02:39 |
e3d3 | I see on the first line 'Linux Devuan 4.19 .... no waranty' | 02:39 |
e3d3 | then: Cannot open display "default display" | 02:39 |
fsmithred | that was F1 or F2? | 02:40 |
e3d3 | Not sure if that is because I didn't know where my control key is. I swapped it with the capslock key, but was unsure if this setting was already active | 02:40 |
fsmithred | so you're saying you can't get to console? | 02:41 |
e3d3 | I have to press many times ctrl-alt-F2 before the tty opens, with above content | 02:41 |
fsmithred | ok, forget it. You're probably out of ram | 02:42 |
e3d3 | if this is the tty, ctrl-alt-f7 brings me back to the 'reset' login screen | 02:42 |
fsmithred | can you put isos on usb instead of burning dvd? | 02:42 |
fsmithred | ok | 02:42 |
fsmithred | that might make testing easier | 02:43 |
fsmithred | also, make an iso that works the way you want before you add the audio files | 02:43 |
fsmithred | then make another snapshot with the audio files | 02:43 |
e3d3 | no, all my usb-stick are 'occupied'. I have data, or multisystem installed (a multiboot program). Maybe I have space left to install the snapshot on one of those multiboot-usb's but can't clean any of them right now. | 02:44 |
fsmithred | you might need to install eudev from beowulf-proposed-updates (or wait until that version moves in to beowulf) | 02:44 |
e3d3 | what does this eudev do ? | 02:44 |
fsmithred | device manager | 02:45 |
fsmithred | the non-systemd version of udev | 02:45 |
e3d3 | I try building a complete new snapshot, now with excluding all subdirs except the audio from another partition, instead of adding it later with isomaster, but still are confused if I need to uncomment the ip... line in the snapshot config, to get wifi working. | 02:49 |
fsmithred | no | 02:49 |
fsmithred | you need to uncoment that line ONLY if you want to save your network settings | 02:50 |
fsmithred | i.e. save your wireless passwords in the iso | 02:50 |
e3d3 | I don't know what I want to save from my network sessions, except no password, so I won't uncomment the line. | 02:51 |
fsmithred | there is nothing else to save unless you added something to /etc/network/interfaces | 02:51 |
fsmithred | I was not suggesting that you use isomaster to add the audio | 02:52 |
fsmithred | I suggested that you leave the audio out to make a smaller iso so that testing will be faster | 02:52 |
fsmithred | and then you might be able to boot the dvd to ram on that machine | 02:52 |
fsmithred | if it works, then you can make another snapshot with the audio files | 02:53 |
e3d3 | :) I just wanted to use my DVD optimal | 02:54 |
e3d3 | I need to think about some creative art with all those useless DVD's | 02:56 |
fsmithred | get another usb stick | 02:56 |
fsmithred | you can re-use it every time | 02:56 |
e3d3 | I allready have to much. Last week I started cleaning my USB-sticks, harddisk and other storage media, and decided I first need 1 clean OS; Devuan, to manage all the things I want to keep, move etc | 02:59 |
e3d3 | I'm not a distrohopper anymore but still have trouble to let all those prehistoric OS go, specially since the Linux world becomes more and more poisoned. | 03:02 |
e3d3 | when it show the distribution name that will appear in the boot menu, I think I can edit this name before proceeding, not ? | 03:08 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's why it's there | 03:08 |
e3d3 | good. I though maybe it was just meant as notice and that I shouldn't edit it like I did before. | 03:10 |
e3d3 | snapshot is running / copying filesystem | 03:10 |
e3d3 | I didn't uncomment the network line, nor included extra audio files. | 03:11 |
e3d3 | I have still audio on the usb-sticks :) | 03:11 |
e3d3 | I normally try putting live or install systems on one of my multiboot usb-sticks, but prefer having snapshots on DVD. | 03:14 |
e3d3 | before I made live/install snapshots for MX Linux and PCLinuxOS using distro-tools. MultiSystem is great for multiboot usb. All other programs (e.g. unetbootin) I tried are absolute ridiculus compared to multisystem. | 03:24 |
furrywolf | I did and apt-get -d dist-upgrade, and it's done downloading... any last minute things I should know before running it without -d? | 03:24 |
furrywolf | s/and/an | 03:24 |
* furrywolf takes that as a no, so should hopefully soon be on beowulf! | 03:28 | |
e3d3 | sorry I can't help you, maybe you should wait a little longer untill the experts come back | 03:29 |
e3d3 | furrywolf: ^^ | 03:29 |
gnarface | furrywolf: if you run into package conflicts, don't panic and nuke the thing before asking for help. | 03:47 |
gnarface | though, the beowulf upgrades have been smoother than the ascii upgrades here | 03:48 |
gnarface | you might not have trouble | 03:48 |
furrywolf | the list looks reasonable, with 22 removed, none of which look like things I want, and only 2 held back. | 03:49 |
* furrywolf is reading the changelog notices now | 03:51 | |
furrywolf | so far nothing important other than borgbackup's huge list of dire warnings, which is entirely unsurprising given my past experiences with it... | 03:52 |
gnarface | afterwards if you're using a graphical login, i think you may still have to swap one or two of the dependencies to a non-default option to fix minor things like the suspend button on the login screen | 03:53 |
gnarface | it depends on what window environment and graphical login pair you're using though | 03:53 |
gnarface | the headless upgrades have been pretty seamless other than the manual config merges | 03:54 |
gnarface | (apache stuff changed a lot) | 03:54 |
furrywolf | grrr, it's trying to install pulseaudio. | 03:55 |
gnarface | --no-install-recommends | 03:55 |
furrywolf | how to I do a dist-upgrade without installing a specific package? | 03:55 |
gnarface | add that to the cmdline^ | 03:55 |
gnarface | try it with --no-install-recommends, otherwise you have to pin out | 03:55 |
furrywolf | I'm using icewm, and don't remember what display manager I'm using, as I only ever see it for 0.5s once every couple months. lol | 03:55 |
gnarface | pin blocking example: https://paste.debian.net/1180755/ | 03:57 |
gnarface | furrywolf: ^ | 03:57 |
gnarface | Package can be any name+glob | 03:57 |
gnarface | set origin to "" and priority to -1 | 03:57 |
furrywolf | I hit ctrl-c and broke apt-get badly. | 03:57 |
gnarface | can't have been that badly | 03:58 |
gnarface | unless... | 03:58 |
furrywolf | specifically, I killed the interface, but it's still running in the background and dumping too much to the terminal to interact with it. lol. *looks what to kill* | 03:58 |
gnarface | there was ONE cache file i managed to corrupt once and then apt-get wouldn't re-run again until i deleted it, i forget what it was named though | 03:58 |
gnarface | it might be easier to let it install pulseaudio then just remove it afterwards | 04:00 |
e3d3 | fsmithred: I burned a fresh snapshot to DVD(+RW), without audio and with almost the same result after booting as before. Now in wicd the 'switch off/on wi-fi' button is not greyed out anymore and shows 'switch off wi-fi', but I still see no wifi networks. Clicking on the refresh button don't change this. I think we better forget about it for now. | 04:00 |
furrywolf | --no-install-recommends is no longer trying to install pulseaudio. | 04:00 |
gnarface | ok good | 04:00 |
furrywolf | also not installing 200MB of other stuff that I'll probably miss later, but oh well. | 04:01 |
* furrywolf is waiting for the reading changelogs step, which takes several minutes | 04:01 | |
furrywolf | it would seem it does not take advantage of multiple cores. | 04:01 |
furrywolf | now for the long wait and hoping nothing breaks. :) | 04:04 |
gnarface | i doubt you'll miss any of it | 04:04 |
gnarface | and after the upgrade i'd still carefully check to make sure that pulseaudio and avahi-daemon didn't sneak back in somehow | 04:05 |
furrywolf | we should make them go away for chimera. heh. | 04:05 |
gnarface | nah, i'm sure someone is still using them | 04:06 |
gnarface | not me, mind you, but i'm sure they're useful to someone | 04:06 |
furrywolf | at a minimum, they should never be installed as a recommends. | 04:06 |
furrywolf | of course, rebuilding every package with a recommends:pulseaudio would suck... | 04:07 |
furrywolf | does apt have a "this package should never be installed as a recommends" flag? | 04:07 |
gnarface | other than the pinning mechanism, i don't know | 04:07 |
* furrywolf watches random youtube while waiting | 04:13 | |
furrywolf | I'm going to need to reboot after this, aren't I? | 04:15 |
gnarface | for the kernel upgrade, yea | 04:16 |
gnarface | the newer graphical stack is very unlikely to work with the old kernel if you're using nvidia or amd hardware | 04:17 |
furrywolf | I don't think the kernel is being upgraded. | 04:17 |
gnarface | you sure? | 04:17 |
gnarface | if not you might just need to log all the way out and restart the graphical login manager | 04:17 |
furrywolf | I'm using 4.19 from bpo currently. | 04:17 |
gnarface | but you should have a kernel upgrade unless you were using the backports kernel from the old release | 04:17 |
gnarface | oh, yea | 04:18 |
gnarface | they'll be about the same | 04:18 |
gnarface | you probably want to get on the stable one | 04:18 |
furrywolf | what I want is a newer one to see if it fixes suspend crashing 1 in 50 times or so. | 04:18 |
gnarface | well, one that's compiled for the beowulf versions of the libraries should have better luck | 04:20 |
gnarface | but i'm gonna be honest with you | 04:20 |
gnarface | the nvidia hardware doesn't resume from suspend cleanly, it never did, and i doubt they'll ever figure out why not | 04:20 |
gnarface | there's a beast in there they're all afraid of | 04:20 |
gnarface | i would just leave it on | 04:21 |
furrywolf | I have ATI video | 04:21 |
furrywolf | the suspend issues I all tracked down to USB. | 04:21 |
gnarface | oh, you can probably just disable power management on those individual USB devices with a module option | 04:21 |
furrywolf | W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (13848 vs 13855). | 04:21 |
furrywolf | Affected packages: libreoffice-common:amd64 | 04:21 |
gnarface | they won't sleep but then they'll work | 04:21 |
furrywolf | that's a new message. | 04:21 |
gnarface | interesting | 04:22 |
gnarface | i've seen it before but i forget what causes it | 04:22 |
gnarface | you can probably just purge all the libreoffice packages and try again | 04:22 |
* furrywolf runs again to see messages that were lost in scroll | 04:22 | |
gnarface | maybe there were some other backports packages snuck in there? | 04:22 |
furrywolf | nothing to do. hrmm. | 04:22 |
gnarface | yea i would just purge libreoffice and start over | 04:23 |
gnarface | download it clean | 04:23 |
gnarface | not until after the rest of the upgrade finishes though | 04:23 |
furrywolf | it all finished. that message was at the end. | 04:23 |
gnarface | hmm | 04:24 |
gnarface | weird | 04:24 |
gnarface | were you fully upgraded on ascii before the beowulf upgrade? | 04:24 |
furrywolf | would installing linux-image-5.9 be a bad idea? | 04:24 |
furrywolf | no | 04:24 |
gnarface | linux-image-5.9 from ceres? or from beowulf-backports? | 04:25 |
furrywolf | linux-image-5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 | 04:26 |
gnarface | what i would do is first install the 4.19 that you get with linux-image-amd64, then reboot to it so you can remove the 4.19 from ascii-backports, then install the beowulf-backports 5.9 after that (rebooting once more) | 04:26 |
furrywolf | why would that be useful? | 04:27 |
furrywolf | I never remove old kernels. lol | 04:27 |
gnarface | that way you have a stock stable kernel built against the current system lib versions to reboot to, to avoid gremlins in testing if you for some reason have to do something that isn't working right with the 5.9 beowulf-backports kernel (rare but possible - this is advice from prior experience) | 04:28 |
gnarface | i'm just helping you avoid Eris | 04:28 |
* furrywolf installs both at once | 04:29 | |
gnarface | it's worthwhile to keep some of the older stable kernels, but i'm wary of the value of a corresponding backports kernel from a previous release | 04:29 |
gnarface | corresponding/conflicting | 04:29 |
gnarface | from jessie->ascii i think it was that there was a filesystem corruption possible in ext4 if you used the newer kernel driver with the older userspace tools for something like fsck or resize | 04:30 |
gnarface | that type of thing could happen again | 04:31 |
gnarface | keep rootfs backups | 04:31 |
furrywolf | I did a full backup before upgrading. took TWO DAYS. stupid false-advertising shingled drives... | 04:31 |
gnarface | oh, i hate that | 04:31 |
furrywolf | I also have my regular backup, but I don't trust borgbackup one bit, especially not between versions. | 04:33 |
furrywolf | Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported. | 04:35 |
furrywolf | grrr, looks like grub changed things. | 04:35 |
furrywolf | also, installing two kernels at once causes stupidity. going to remove and re-install 5.9 | 04:36 |
gnarface | well, it might not default to the one you want, or the one you think it would, if you didn't remove the ones i told you to | 04:38 |
mason | The kernel you can install is not the real kernel. | 04:38 |
gnarface | i should have actually said that though | 04:38 |
gnarface | some of my hardware here (nvidia again) did require the backports kernel *and* drivers to work properly | 04:39 |
gnarface | at least everything from the 1000 series and later | 04:39 |
furrywolf | I despise nvidia, and do not plan to ever own anything of theirs. | 04:39 |
furrywolf | their constant history of fucking over open-source coders while pushing their binary bugware is not acceptable. | 04:40 |
gnarface | well, but it might be the same for certain amd/ati cards - you might need their firmware package from backports too | 04:40 |
gnarface | it's called firmware-amd-graphics | 04:40 |
gnarface | (in non-free) | 04:40 |
furrywolf | I think mine predates such things. heh. | 04:40 |
gnarface | that's possible | 04:41 |
furrywolf | o01eg:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Madison [Mobility Radeon HD 5650/5750 / 6530M/6550M] | 04:41 |
gnarface | i knew because the graphical login didn't even successfully launch | 04:41 |
furrywolf | stupid nick auto-completion. lol | 04:41 |
gnarface | but it's possible mesa could fail over to software-rendering, so it'd seem to work but just be curiously sow | 04:41 |
gnarface | *slow | 04:41 |
furrywolf | hrmm, if I edit /etc/default/grub, I just need to run update-grub, right? I commented out one of the conflicting lines, and it still complains. | 04:44 |
gnarface | yea you should just need to re run update-grub i think... the only other thing that could be relevant is update-initramfs | 04:45 |
furrywolf | I still get the same warning despite commenting out one of the two timeouts. heh. | 04:45 |
gnarface | after boot you mean, or when running update-initramfs? | 04:46 |
furrywolf | looks like I need to explicitly set it to 0. hrmm. | 04:46 |
gnarface | i mean update-grub? | 04:46 |
furrywolf | update-grub | 04:46 |
gnarface | oh, you're trying to kill the timeout | 04:46 |
gnarface | i would set it to 3 | 04:46 |
furrywolf | no, I'm trying to NOT kill my 0.1 second hidden timeout. | 04:46 |
furrywolf | apparently the way you specify this has changed. | 04:47 |
gnarface | grub giveth and grub taketh away | 04:47 |
gnarface | but you know what hasn't changed a lot? lilo | 04:47 |
furrywolf | heh | 04:47 |
furrywolf | does lilo even work on modern systems? | 04:47 |
furrywolf | also, lilo makes me sad, because I miss lilo the person. | 04:48 |
furrywolf | looks like they want you to use GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden now. | 04:49 |
gnarface | it's patched and up-to-date and my experience is that the version in the repos has better hardware support than grub | 04:49 |
furrywolf | ok, I think that's everything I can think of before a reboot. | 04:49 |
* furrywolf quits firefox nicely instead of killing it, in case there's session changes between versions | 04:50 | |
* furrywolf waits 10 minutes, because quitting firefox takes just as long as starting firefox, for reasons only mozilla knows | 04:50 | |
gnarface | only other thing is if you want to change the swap partition's UUID for resume from hibernation, you'd need to run update-initramfs | 04:50 |
furrywolf | ewww. I got a new top version in the upgrade apparently, and it now uses "MiB", because political correctness or something. | 04:51 |
gnarface | heh | 04:51 |
gnarface | ls output single-quotes file and folder names with spaces in them now too | 04:51 |
gnarface | but you can just add -N to your alias for it | 04:52 |
gnarface | there are a couple other annoying little changes to text output, i forget exactly | 04:52 |
furrywolf | .... please tell me that wasn't to fix all the scripts that were parsing LS's output and having security holes. | 04:52 |
furrywolf | (you know, the ones that should have been using find, shell globs, or anything other than parsing ls) | 04:53 |
gnarface | fuck i dunno, it was bad enough imagining it's so that double-click highlight in terminals worked right | 04:53 |
furrywolf | lol | 04:53 |
furrywolf | bbl, time to see if it broke. | 04:53 |
gnarface | good luck | 04:53 |
furrywolf | well, it booted! | 04:56 |
gnarface | that's good | 04:56 |
furrywolf | my mouse isn't usable, though. | 04:56 |
gnarface | doh, xorg.conf changes | 04:56 |
gnarface | i forgot about those | 04:56 |
furrywolf | the acceleration is about 100 times what it should be. | 04:56 |
gnarface | they overhauled some behavior in ways that changes what you do and don't need to define | 04:56 |
furrywolf | and generally... wrong. | 04:56 |
gnarface | yea it might not even be using the same driver as it was before | 04:57 |
gnarface | you might want to manually change it back | 04:57 |
gnarface | but you can probably also just turn off the acceleration | 04:57 |
furrywolf | I have custom acceleration settings, that were correct before. | 04:57 |
gnarface | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? | 04:57 |
furrywolf | in xorg.conf.d. | 04:58 |
furrywolf | commenting it out now | 04:58 |
furrywolf | brb | 04:58 |
randyg | commenting it out entirely made my pointer unusably slow - having to reposition about ten times to go from one side of the screen to the other. I picked a random number that was smaller than my previous number, and it's... not right. but usable. will need fine-tuning. | 05:01 |
randyg | something has changed in the acceleration algorithm. it accelerates differently, not just more or less. | 05:01 |
gnarface | i forget exactly, but they changed how corekeyboard and corepointer behave at a fundamental level, and they also changed what driver takes the mouse by default | 05:02 |
gnarface | there are 3 where there used to be one | 05:02 |
fluffywolf | it's the same libinput driver, since my custom settings are still being applied. | 05:02 |
gnarface | hmmm | 05:02 |
fluffywolf | there's some change in the algorithm it's controlling, though. | 05:02 |
gnarface | oh, so you weren't using the old mouse driver still | 05:02 |
gnarface | hmmm, sounds annoying | 05:02 |
fluffywolf | pointer-unusably-slow is standard on this model laptop - everyone has that issue, so you have to play with acceleration settings. you'd think they could fix the driver default, but.... | 05:03 |
gnarface | there might be more than one setting now? | 05:03 |
gnarface | check to see if there's multiple settings like poll rate and speed, separate from acceleration | 05:03 |
fluffywolf | first I need to see if firefox still works, so I can google. heh. | 05:04 |
gnarface | it might be a question of them actually adding support for a hardware feature that didn't work before | 05:04 |
fluffywolf | nope. firefox is broken. | 05:04 |
gnarface | firefox or firefox-esr? | 05:04 |
fluffywolf | -esr | 05:04 |
fluffywolf | and it's FUCKING SHOWING ME GOD DAMN ADS! I killed all that! | 05:05 |
fluffywolf | why the fuck is debian still building it with this shit compiled in? | 05:05 |
fluffywolf | when I open a new tab, it should be blank. it should not be advertising whomever gives mozilla money. | 05:05 |
mason | That's configurable. | 05:06 |
fluffywolf | looks like it's now a bunch of "firefox home" stuff I have to disable. | 05:06 |
* fluffywolf goes through the options, and sure enough, there's more spam everywhere | 05:07 | |
fluffywolf | I don't want to have firefox recommend products to me while I browse. that should not even be an option. | 05:07 |
fluffywolf | they can't even get their basic memory management working, yet they have time to add crap like this. | 05:08 |
fluffywolf | lol, firefox's virtual memory usage is over 40G now, just to load. | 05:12 |
fluffywolf | fortunately, only about 1G of real memory. it'll be double that by tomorrow, unless they fixed a whole lot with this version... | 05:12 |
fluffywolf | I need to figure out what's up with icewm versions during the upgrade. | 05:13 |
fluffywolf | icewm got downgraded | 05:14 |
* fluffywolf does not like unexpected downgrades | 05:15 | |
fluffywolf | looks like I need to re-upgrade to the version now in testing to fix it | 05:17 |
fluffywolf | I don't remember where I got the one I was running before. might have been unstable. | 05:17 |
fluffywolf | there's a major bug in the version in stable. | 05:17 |
fluffywolf | it should have been RC. | 05:17 |
fluffywolf | I can't believe the same bug is in both ascii and beowulf. | 05:18 |
fluffywolf | (it opens windows, then they immediately move to background when you try clicking on them, which gets incredibly frustrating incredibly quickly) | 05:18 |
fluffywolf | icewm | 2.0.0-2 | http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main Sources | 05:22 |
fluffywolf | E: Version '2.0.0-2' for 'icewm' was not found | 05:22 |
fluffywolf | why does this not like me? heh | 05:23 |
fluffywolf | grrrrrrr. it's listed, but anything I do to try installing it fails. for example, trying -t just gives E: The value 'chimaera' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources | 05:29 |
rrq | "not available in the sources" ? | 05:31 |
fluffywolf | ok... I might have typoed a sources.list line. | 05:31 |
fluffywolf | and it's getting the deb-src and not the deb. | 05:31 |
* fluffywolf shuts up | 05:31 | |
* rrq has popcorn | 05:32 | |
fluffywolf | it's rather annoying that tools list it but won't install it. heh. | 05:32 |
fluffywolf | sigh. and icewm from chimaera won't install due to libc6 issues. | 05:34 |
gnarface | did you check for icewm in beowulf-backports? | 05:34 |
gnarface | the changes to firefox are heartbreaking | 05:34 |
rrq | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=icewm | 05:34 |
fluffywolf | hrmm, or my beowulf upgrade didn't finish completely. | 05:35 |
fluffywolf | damnit, I should have not tried installing anything from testing, as apt is now broken. | 05:35 |
gnarface | yea, i would have advised against that, or at least advised removing it before upgrading | 05:36 |
gnarface | but when you did the upgrade did you also do dist-upgrade? | 05:36 |
fluffywolf | the beowulf upgrade downgraded icewm; I need to get a working version back... | 05:36 |
fluffywolf | I only did a dist-upgrade | 05:36 |
gnarface | mabye it's just an incomplete upgrade, try: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade | 05:36 |
gnarface | oh, if you did the dist-upgrade then it should be done | 05:36 |
fluffywolf | I mean, this one _works_, if you don't mind the first time you click on a window instead sending it to the back of the stack. heh. | 05:37 |
gnarface | well it's not in backports, and i wouldn't recommend just running the built version from chimera | 05:37 |
gnarface | the proper approach is to build it yourself, unfortunately | 05:37 |
gnarface | if you have all the development tools already installed though you might get lucky and it'll just work without patching | 05:38 |
fluffywolf | if I have chimaera in my sources, apt breaks, in that even with APT::Default-Release "beowulf";, it tries installing a couple dozen random packages from chimaera if I try doing anything. | 05:38 |
fluffywolf | if I do a straight apt-get upgrade, not even trying to install any new packages, it pulls 18 from chimaera. I don't know why it's pulling that 18. | 05:39 |
gnarface | there's some way to use pinning to anchor it to a lower priority | 05:39 |
gnarface | i'm not sure exactly the rules | 05:39 |
gnarface | nor am i sure it would work | 05:39 |
gnarface | the package icewm from chimera itself may be enforcing those dependencies anyway | 05:39 |
gnarface | and maybe for good reason | 05:40 |
fluffywolf | I don't understand why it thinks packages from chimaera are default upgrades when the default release is set to beowulf. | 05:40 |
rrq | cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/reluctant-chimaera | 05:40 |
rrq | Package: * | 05:40 |
rrq | Pin: release n=chimaera* | 05:40 |
rrq | Pin-Priority: 90 | 05:40 |
gnarface | i can't claim to either | 05:40 |
gnarface | yea, this looks like it would work ^ | 05:40 |
gnarface | thanks rrq | 05:40 |
* fluffywolf tries rrq's delightfully-named file | 05:40 | |
gnarface | default priority is like what, 1000? 1500? something like that | 05:41 |
rrq | 500 | 05:41 |
rrq | 100 for installed stuff | 05:41 |
gnarface | aah | 05:41 |
* gnarface can never remember | 05:41 | |
fluffywolf | I wish I had faster internet. | 05:42 |
fluffywolf | heh. I had a 28.8 modem when I first used debian, and it took about the same time to apt-get update. :P | 05:42 |
fluffywolf | the files are a wee bit larger now. | 05:43 |
gnarface | basically if it absolutely requires chimera minimum versions of all those packages in spite of this, your only choice to avoid potential random crashes is to rebuild all of them for beowulf too, but if you find that's half your install, you might also find that you might as well have just upgraded to chimera | 05:43 |
gnarface | someone who knew the icewm codebase well could probably backport that one behavior change easier than all of this, but i wouldn't even know where to start | 05:44 |
fluffywolf | rrq: well, that keeps it from upgrading to chimaera packages, but it also won't install any dependencies. heh. | 05:45 |
gnarface | yea, this may be why it's not in backports | 05:45 |
fluffywolf | it's a bug. I looked into it before. something to do with X timers. is fixed in newer version. I can't believe beowulf is still shipping the same buggy version as ascii. | 05:46 |
fluffywolf | (obviously debian's fault, not devuan's...) | 05:46 |
gnarface | hmm, seems whack | 05:46 |
gnarface | is there a bug report open on bugs.debian.org about it? | 05:46 |
fluffywolf | is there a way to make firefox not double-size the address bar when you click it? seems to be a new "feature"... | 05:47 |
gnarface | heh, i assume you'd have to actually change the theme itself | 05:48 |
gnarface | i was annoyed by that too | 05:48 |
gnarface | also the auto-hiding behavior of the main menu really annoyed me | 05:49 |
gnarface | i figured out how to turn that off but i forget exactly where, it's in there somewhere | 05:49 |
fluffywolf | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782088 may have been fixed and then re-appeared. | 05:51 |
fluffywolf | looks like all the javaworkaroundwhatever stuff might have been removed, possibly re-creating the bug in the process, maybe... | 05:57 |
fluffywolf | I just want to install the new version. heh. | 05:57 |
fluffywolf | looks like I need to upgrade over 200 packages to get chimaera's icewm, and it tries removing should-not-be-removed things in the process. | 06:07 |
fluffywolf | grrrrrrrrrr. I can't even build-dep it without it complaining about libc6. | 06:09 |
* fluffywolf does it all by hand | 06:12 | |
fluffywolf | dpkg-buildpackage seems to be happy with what I've installed. | 06:16 |
* fluffywolf waits | 06:16 | |
fluffywolf | IceWM 2.0.0, Copyright 1997-2012 Marko Macek, 2001 Mathias Hasselmann. | 06:19 |
fluffywolf | yay! | 06:19 |
fluffywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime | 06:30 |
danuan | what could possibly start rpcbind and nfs-common on reboot after i do update-rc.d -f 'service' remove , and double checked every runlevel especially rcS.d where they reside for links , none exist | 14:04 |
fsmithred | pstree might show you | 14:11 |
danuan | init starts it , allready checked | 14:18 |
danuan | did a grep -r /sbin/'service' in /etc/ and only files mentioning it are as expected under init.d / and no links to them in any runlevel | 14:20 |
danuan | machine was runing an nfs-kernle-server at one point but was uninstalled , now just a client for nfsv4 , uninstalling rpcbind and nfs-common with purge , and reinstalling does not help | 14:22 |
danuan | ok found it in /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs , seems to start both from there , this is under ceres , under beowulf it did not start them automaticaly if services were disabled | 14:42 |
fsmithred | do you have any nfs mounts defined in fstab? | 14:44 |
danuan | yes , but under beowulf machines it does not start them if i just disabled the srvices for nfsv4 only client , under ceres it does , seems like a new behavior | 14:45 |
danuan | think i found the problem , under ceres i defined the mounts in fstab as nfs vs nfs4 in beowulfes , even though server only serves v4 , mountnfs in /etc/network/if-up.d is seems aware of nfs vs nfsv4 in fstab , testing it now | 14:50 |
danuan | nope , same deal , still starting | 14:52 |
fsmithred | looking at sysv-rc-conf in ceres, nfs-common and rpcbind are only on in Single | 14:53 |
fsmithred | that's the same in chimaera | 14:56 |
danuan | and /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs seem same between ceres and beowulf too | 14:58 |
fsmithred | oh, I was just getting ready to check that. Thanks. | 14:58 |
danuan | makes me think something got fubared on this machine and it just needs a reinstall | 14:58 |
fsmithred | debsums -ca | 14:58 |
fsmithred | to show what config files were changed | 14:58 |
danuan | also who would be interested in fixing nonexistant $RPCNFSDOPTS in /etc/defaults/nfs-kernel-server to pass options to rpc.nfsd , /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server launches rpc.nfsd which reads them from $RPCNFSDPRIORITY , but info defines that as only option for priority | 15:06 |
danuan | devuan or debian ? | 15:06 |
danuan | like passing --no-nfs-version 3 --no-udp etc... can go in to $RPCNFSDPRIORITY and it works , or hacking /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server to include $RPCNFSDOPTS before $RPCNFSDPRIORITY , and also a check for not needing rpcbind if server is in nfsv4 mode only | 15:13 |
gnarface | it's debian, but lately their only fix for any issues that come up in an init.d script is to simply remove it from the package | 15:22 |
danuan | ps : debsums -ca fails after symlink loop error | 15:36 |
fsmithred | danuan, did you see this? | 16:01 |
fsmithred | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964776 | 16:01 |
fsmithred | there's a fix posted | 16:01 |
danuan | think i got a bit further here , on comps that start these services share are automounted on boot , so its /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs that starts rpcbind and nfs-common | 16:16 |
danuan | on comps that have no automount nfs shares and are only usermounted it does not | 16:16 |
fsmithred | automount as in autofs? | 16:17 |
danuan | no as in noauto enabled on fstab or not | 16:18 |
fsmithred | ah | 16:18 |
fsmithred | I guess that's a way to ignore the init script | 16:18 |
danuan | thanx for help, just puzzled on how such basic configurations for nfsd and nfsv4 only server and client be left out of default installs | 16:29 |
danuan | running v4 should not need 10 services and ports open on both clients and servers ,none on client and just one on server or 2 or 3 at most if using tcp and udp and a idmapd or something | 16:32 |
e3d3 | What repository do I need to install the emacs info pages (? emacs-common-non-dfsg) ? | 18:46 |
rwp | e3d3, You will need to enable the non-free suite in sources.list and then install emacs-common-non-dfsg | 19:23 |
rwp | Tragicomically the emacs documentation is non-free and therefore was moved out of main. | 19:24 |
e3d3 | rwp: which non-free suite should I enable and how ? source.list has only backports repo deactivated, and I searched this repo already without result. | 19:28 |
e3d3 | I looked in https://www.devuan.org/os/packages but don't know which of the aditional repo's has the right package. | 19:30 |
e3d3 | if any one of those has it | 19:30 |
golinux | e3d3: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ is your friend | 19:39 |
e3d3 | golinux: I had to read it many times before I discover that I can ignore all the text about non-familiar utils. I've found a repo and will bookmark the page. Thanks for helping. | 19:48 |
rwp | e3d3, you will want "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free" in order to install emacs-common-non-dfsg. | 20:05 |
rwp | e3d3, I have this in my /etc/apt/sources.list file for Beowulf https://paste.debian.net/plain/1180842 | 20:06 |
rwp | Replace beowulf with chimaera if using Testing. Replace with ceres if using Unstable. | 20:07 |
rwp | Duplicate all of those lines and add lines starting with "deb-src" in addition to "deb" in order to make source package downloads available. | 20:08 |
rwp | In other words this for the same set with source download capability. https://paste.debian.net/plain/1180844 | 20:11 |
e3d3 | I did it some years before, forgot it but figured it already out with trial, error and found example on a debian webpage. I'n happy with my Emacs info pages. Thank you, also for the extra explanation, that I don't need now because I keep the default main repo's and deactivated non-free after install the package. | 20:14 |
e3d3 | funny to learn that Debian consider the documentation of freedom guru Richard Stallman's Emacs as non-free | 20:17 |
e3d3 | btw: I added the line as: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf non-free | 20:21 |
nemo | does devuan have a package for a pulseaudio init script? | 20:22 |
nemo | https://blog.dhampir.no/content/running-pulseaudio-in-system-mode-with-tcp-listening-on-debian-wheezy I wanted to give something like this a shot | 20:22 |
nemo | or do I have to roll my own these days | 20:23 |
nemo | I guess main issue is I have no idea what it does. a sample script might be all I need | 20:31 |
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