tr-amarsh04 | if user____ returns, I'd love them to document "What it took to fix it: strace -ff xfce4-mime-settings -> read output and walk down all config files opened (over a dozen)" on dev1galaxy.org | 02:17 |
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rwp | luser978 ^^ since as I recall user____ is your other nick. Unless that was actually luser979 instead. :-) | 02:39 |
tr-amarsh04 | I had a pulseaudio problem that was solved from help on dev1galaxy.org and I documented my fix at http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28936#p28936 | 02:47 |
tr-amarsh04 | and still have an open Debian bug report on it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=986211 | 02:47 |
rwp | I am looking forward to PipeWire replacing PulseAudio everywhere. It will be so nice to avoid dealing with the problems of PulseAudio. | 02:51 |
linux_n | E: package winetricks has no installation candidate. Anyone know how to fix this? | 03:27 |
sadsnork | I thought [I could be wrong] that the best way to get winetricks was to wget and chmod. | 03:29 |
fluffywolf | tr-amarsh04: I've had lots of pulseaudio problems. apt-get purge pulseaudio usually fixes them. :P | 03:37 |
linux_n | Do you know the wget command to install winetricks? | 03:41 |
hyrcanus | a browser can download it also | 03:46 |
linux_n | wget worked thanks | 03:50 |
sadsnork | Sorry linux_n I fell asleep at the switch... glad it worked though. :-) | 04:07 |
gour | morning | 07:19 |
gour | for the desktop machine which is shut down every day, do you recommend chrony over ntp and whether to use rtcsync or rtcfile? | 07:20 |
rwp | gour, I use ntp on my mobile laptop which is suspended and resumed on different networks all of the time. Works superior. | 07:29 |
gour | rwp: thank you! | 07:35 |
gour | i've problem using libsecret-stored password from gnome-keyring and accessing it by msmtp. the bug is reported here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994961 and i've the problem mentioned in the last comment: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994961#48 and i see there is no dbus-user-session package available, so wonder if i should report it at devuan's tracker? | 07:51 |
rrq | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 07:56 |
gour | rrq: hmm, does it mean it is not possible to use libsecret-stored passwd and gnome keyring? | 08:00 |
rrq | possibly. e.g. if it depends on having dbus-user-session installed, which depends on systemd. | 08:02 |
gour | the same mechanism was working under mxlinux which also does not use systemd | 08:02 |
Rodon | is zathura-pdf-mupdf is available without need of compiling from source? | 09:24 |
stefan_it | I have a devuan testing system, works perfectly. I noticed that since a month or so an 'apt update' does not show a single package update. Is this normal? Usually there are lot of updates. Thanks | 10:49 |
gour | stefan_it: when the new release is approaching, it is, afaik, usual behaviour | 10:50 |
stefan_it | ok, good, this was my guess. Thanks | 10:50 |
gour | i'm on 'ceres', but when i was on debian, sid was also getting just a few updates before release | 10:51 |
gnarface | stefan_it: it could be a mistake in your /etc/apt/sources.list though too | 10:57 |
gnarface | sometimes these situations might happen on their own | 10:58 |
gnarface | for example if you didn't configure networking during the install then the default sources.list will only point to the cdrom drive | 10:58 |
gnarface | and that could just as easily explain there being no new packages available | 10:59 |
gnarface | when in doubt, compare what you're seeing in your apt search results to what you see at pkginfo.devuan.org | 10:59 |
stefan_it | gnarface: i have this system since a long time, done a lot of updates since then, so my guess is that the code is frozen due to imminent release. Thanks for the suggestion, will do the check. | 11:00 |
dgamer69 | I finished installing devuan :D | 16:03 |
gnarface | congrats, dgamer69 | 16:08 |
dgamer69 | thanks you! | 16:09 |
dgamer69 | I got a default gnome working as well, so I think I'm all setup as well! | 16:09 |
gnarface | cool | 16:10 |
gour | for gnome i'd run debian, but for xfce devuan is great | 16:23 |
gour | ...considering that gnome so systemd-oriented | 16:27 |
gour | *is so | 16:27 |
dgamer69 | it is? | 16:27 |
dgamer69 | it seems to run fine | 16:27 |
gour | well, who is the main pusher of systemd? | 16:27 |
dgamer69 | no clue | 16:27 |
gour | redhat | 16:28 |
dgamer69 | I mostly switched to denuvan from distrochooser.de | 16:28 |
gour | and they're main force behind gnome | 16:28 |
dgamer69 | I have no idea what I'm doing here | 16:28 |
dgamer69 | really? | 16:28 |
brocashelm | distrochooser.de is how i also discovered devuan | 16:29 |
brocashelm | i think it's been a success so far; i haven't distrohopped at all since the switch | 16:29 |
gour | dgamer69: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd | 16:29 |
dgamer69 | I didn't even select the "I don't like systemd" option lmao | 16:29 |
gour | in any case, for devuan i'd recommend sticking with xfe which is great DE | 16:30 |
gour | *xfce | 16:30 |
dgamer69 | I dunno | 16:30 |
brocashelm | mate is also good if you liked good old gtk2 | 16:30 |
dgamer69 | I come from majaro gnome | 16:30 |
dgamer69 | and I've only used gnome based distros | 16:30 |
brocashelm | well, mate is the fork of gnome itself | 16:30 |
dgamer69 | I really like the workflow | 16:30 |
dgamer69 | isn't mate more based on gnome 2 though? | 16:30 |
brocashelm | yes | 16:31 |
gour | i see...well, waiti for the input from some of the devuan devs ;) | 16:31 |
brocashelm | but with a more sane approach to things | 16:31 |
dgamer69 | lmao | 16:31 |
dgamer69 | the gnome team is really aggressive | 16:31 |
dgamer69 | their aidwata theme is basically being pushed to have everything be universal | 16:32 |
brocashelm | development is more active than xfce and doesn't have that retarded csd (client-side display) shit they've been including as a "feature" since xfce 4.16 | 16:32 |
dgamer69 | I can't tell if it's a good move or a bad one | 16:32 |
dgamer69 | what's csd | 16:32 |
brocashelm | a totally unnecessary "feature" to make windows on xfce programs look more like macos | 16:33 |
brocashelm | https://linuxreviews.org/Xfce_Classic_Brings_An_Alternative_To_Those_Who_Do_Not_Want_Xfce_To_Become_GNOME_Light | 16:33 |
brocashelm | here's an article on that | 16:33 |
brocashelm | shows comparisons to csd vs. non-csd | 16:33 |
brocashelm | fortunately, xfce classic is a thing and is easy to fix this: https://github.com/Xfce-Classic/ | 16:34 |
brocashelm | but if your xfce is prior to 4.16, you should be safe for now | 16:35 |
dgamer69 | dang | 16:36 |
dgamer69 | that genuinly looks autistic | 16:36 |
dgamer69 | https://linuxreviews.org/images/6/61/Xfce-4.12-panel-preferences.jpg | 16:36 |
dgamer69 | bsd4me noooooooo | 16:46 |
bsd4me_ | :D | 16:54 |
dgamer69 | :D you're back! | 16:56 |
sadsnork | I'm currently fighting with the move to Chimaera partially because of that CSD crap. Right now I am trying out just plain Openbox with fbpanel and some GTK3 configs to make the scrollbars look like I am not running a phone. Is there an easier way to do this? | 16:59 |
dgamer69 | I saw phosh on the repos, is there a way to put the phone kernel in devuan and run it on something like a pinephone? | 17:01 |
gnarface | shouldn't be hard | 17:02 |
gnarface | that kernel wouldn't have any problem booting a devuan rootfs, there just wouldn't be much support for the phone parts | 17:03 |
gnarface | in the userspace that is | 17:03 |
gnarface | i think there is one devuan based distro | 17:03 |
gnarface | so the work of porting some of those tools might in theory already be done | 17:04 |
brocashelm | sadsnork: have you looked into compiling xfce classic? it worked for me | 17:20 |
sadsnork | Hey brocashelm, I was just finishing up a minor battle with fbpanel and starting to check out that xfce classic link... | 17:22 |
sadsnork | Did you do just the panel [ https://github.com/Xfce-Classic/xfce4-panel ] or is there more? | 17:23 |
brocashelm | i only did the libxfce4-nocsd part | 17:23 |
brocashelm | at least the windows look as they should again | 17:23 |
brocashelm | https://github.com/Xfce-Classic/libxfce4ui-nocsd | 17:24 |
brocashelm | although there is no official debian/devuan build, that xubuntu ppa worked for me (but it's better to manually install) | 17:25 |
sadsnork | So you just did the manual install of that and all of your xfce related windows (essentially everything in "settings") goes back to normal? | 17:25 |
sadsnork | Ah! beat me to it eh. :-) | 17:25 |
sadsnork | Thanks for the link! I'm gonna go fiddle. :-) | 17:26 |
brocashelm | i installed from the ppa and had no problems ;) | 17:26 |
brocashelm | no prob! | 17:26 |
brocashelm | there might be some depend conflicts because you'd have to remove libxfce4ui (original), but that's required in order for the nocsd version to work | 17:27 |
brocashelm | helps to then restart your xfce session after the upgrade | 17:27 |
brocashelm | i got the packages libxfce4ui-nocsd-2-0, libxfce4ui-nocsd-common, and libxfce4ui-nocsd-utils installed from the xubuntu ppa and i haven't experienced anything unusual (except for a minor flickering of the right click ui on the desktop when launching a window from it) | 17:29 |
gnarface | i'd recommend against mixing packages from other distros, especially ubuntu - it can cause problems during later upgrades even if it works fine initially | 17:31 |
brocashelm | so just manually compile then | 17:33 |
hyrcanus | i run devuan on my phones | 18:15 |
hyrcanus | dgamer69: devuan runs phones, check out maemo-leste | 18:16 |
dgamer69 | no way | 18:18 |
hyrcanus | same OS on all my devices | 18:22 |
hyrcanus | ok one i haven't converted yet | 18:23 |
hyrcanus | this topic might be better discussed in #devuan-arm | 18:23 |
Guest28 | hello! | 20:24 |
Guest28 | devuan have tool for install driver nvidia? Or this is in the repo? | 20:25 |
hyrcanus | hello Guest28 sorry i haven't used that in so long I forgot | 20:28 |
Guest28 | ok thanks | 20:30 |
Guest28 | i try search | 20:30 |
Guest28 | info | 20:30 |
hyrcanus | Guest28: debian/devuan doesn't include non-free software | 20:37 |
hyrcanus | well by default | 20:37 |
hyrcanus | so generally with nvidia's drivers, you run their installer shellscript, and you get their issues and problems | 20:38 |
hyrcanus | but there are open-source 'nouveau' drivers for nvidia | 20:38 |
hyrcanus | these are things i think are true | 20:38 |
Guest28 | qoute"but there are open-source 'nouveau' drivers for nvidia" I know, but time of the time, I like run game like Xcom ;) | 20:40 |
hyrcanus | i don't know the state of the drivers but they should have opengl support | 20:41 |
Guest28 | sorry bad english. I'm from Poland, and not much speak your language | 20:41 |
hyrcanus | you know more english than I know polish | 20:41 |
Guest28 | hehe :) | 20:42 |
hyrcanus | broda! piwo! kurwa! | 20:42 |
Guest28 | :D | 20:42 |
Guest28 | somtimes I must use translator deepl | 20:42 |
hyrcanus | it's a good translator | 20:43 |
Guest28 | but want study english | 20:43 |
Guest28 | and try not use much :D | 20:44 |
Guest28 | Ok, so it's time to try install Devuan ;) | 20:44 |
peterrooney | aptitude search non-?free # this and similar shows quite a bit, but only one legacy nvidia package | 20:44 |
Guest28 | my card is very old. Nvidia 540M :D | 20:45 |
Guest28 | in Samsung RC530. Very like this laptop :) long time i have this | 20:46 |
hyrcanus | i thought i saw active progress on nouveau drivers, and them being a viable alternative now | 20:58 |
JaK | hello everybody | 22:08 |
Caronte | sorry, hello again | 22:09 |
dgamer69 | okay so fill me in | 22:11 |
dgamer69 | the most I know about systed and why it's bad is that it's a security hole | 22:11 |
dgamer69 | because it controlls the entire init system | 22:11 |
djph | there are many reasons it's "bad" | 22:11 |
dgamer69 | is that correct? | 22:12 |
Caronte | My POV is that it "doesn't do one thing and it doesn't do it well" | 22:12 |
djph | ^ that's a big one in my book | 22:12 |
nemo | mhm | 22:13 |
dgamer69 | okay | 22:13 |
djph | Also the whole binary logs thing just infuriates me. | 22:13 |
nemo | that said, it's less catastrophically buggy these days than it was like... last year | 22:13 |
dgamer69 | what's that? | 22:13 |
nemo | djph: yeah. that's annoying. | 22:13 |
nemo | djph: I like to have a bit more visibility as to what services are doing and how they started. fortunately on the 2 ubuntu servers, most everything is still init scripts anyway ☺ | 22:13 |
djph | nemo: yeah, but you can say the same thing about Windows | 22:14 |
UsL | this is the support channel for devuan. If you wan't to talk about systemd please go to -offtopic or debianfork | 22:14 |
dgamer69 | okay | 22:14 |
UsL | that is #devuan-offtopic to be clearer, sorry. | 22:15 |
Caronte | tech question on the devuan installation: can I? | 22:15 |
UsL | Caronte: ofcourse. | 22:15 |
Caronte | UsL: I did a minimun installation (network install). Is possible that shutdown has not been included? | 22:16 |
Caronte | Because I was not able to run it... as root :) | 22:16 |
Caronte | UsL: (this is gore, I know :D ) | 22:17 |
UsL | I'm not sure.. I haven't done any installations of late, sorry. I'm still on ascii to be honest. Looking forward to do the chimaera release | 22:18 |
dgamer69 | don't you have to specify on install shether or not to give your account sudo? | 22:18 |
dgamer69 | *whether | 22:18 |
Caronte | I didn't sudo-ed shutdown... I was on a root shell | 22:19 |
UsL | Caronte: when you're root you | 22:19 |
UsL | 're a "su root -" root? | 22:19 |
Caronte | UsL: correct | 22:19 |
Caronte | actually, just 'su' | 22:20 |
UsL | try su root - | 22:20 |
Caronte | UsL: thank you! I will :) | 22:20 |
Caronte | I choosed Devuan as reference UNIX for a course I have to give to my colleagues :D | 22:21 |
UsL | nice. Devuan try to keep it old school and stable, so it's a good choice I think | 22:21 |
hyrcanus | universities should still teach unix | 22:22 |
hyrcanus | http://0x0.st/-gWW.ans in celebration of facebook, an ansi for you | 22:23 |
JaK | sorry, I felt | 22:23 |
Caronte2 | UsL: thank you. BTW, does members of Devuan comitee said anything about a new convention? | 22:25 |
Caronte2 | Last one was in Amsterdam 2019 | 22:25 |
UsL | I haven't heard anything. But I am not close enough to do so | 22:26 |
UsL | hyrcanus: nice trollface : ) | 22:26 |
UsL | Caronte2: I think someone who knows better will answer if you hang around | 22:27 |
Caronte2 | UsL: thank you! :) BTW, are you using Devuan for server or for desktop? (Or both?) | 22:28 |
UsL | desktop and media center/file server | 22:29 |
hyrcanus | :) | 22:31 |
Caronte2 | UsL: that'interesting! Are you using Samba? | 22:31 |
UsL | no, just ssh stuff | 22:33 |
Caronte2 | Hey, thank you a lot for your help :) I'll suggest the irc channel to my colleagues! :D | 22:34 |
UsL | you're all welcome | 22:34 |
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