| unixman_home | Greetings, y'all. I need to get davmail 6.0.x to be able to have the latest OAUTH2 stuff and continue to use my @WORK e-mail with a decent mail client from Linux. Unfortunately Chimarea does not have that version. It is in daedalus and ceres. Are either of those able to be used in production yet? | 00:49 |
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| unixman_home | s/Chimarea/Chimaera/ | 00:51 |
| unixman_home | Gonna go do Saturday stuff, since it is Saturday here. I'll check back. | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | unixman_home, I'm running daedalus on a laptop, and it runs well, but I'm getting 50-100 updates every day or two. | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | you might want to wait until bullseye goes into freeze. | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | bullseye? Is that the right one? Whatever is debian testing right now and corresponds to our daedalus. | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | bookworm=daedalus | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | when bookworm goes into freeze then the updates will slow down | 01:21 |
| unixman_home | Is there an ETA for when the freeze will happen? My company changed their O365 Exhange server to no longer allow simple auth. So, my work mail has to be read with that crappy Lookout web thing. Meanwhile my mail reader that has all my filters and process scripts is unusable. | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | unixman_home, 2023 https://release.debian.org/testing/freeze_policy.html | 01:34 |
| Tenkawa | yeah I was about to say by current debian guidelines it would be at least 2023 | 01:36 |
| Tenkawa | just for Debian | 01:36 |
| Tenkawa | to get to Bookworm | 01:36 |
| plasma41 | Using debdiff to compare a debian source package against its devuan-forked version should work, right? I tried to compare the bullseye-to-chimaera versions of dbus and at some point in the process gpgv gets called to check the signature on the devuan source package, but can't find the right public key. I have the chimaera version of the devuan-keyring package installed. | 01:40 |
| plasma41 | The signature of the public key gpgv fails to find is 72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB. | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | that's an old key | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | you should have the 2017 key | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | I think it's this one: E032 601B 7CA1 0BC3 EA53 FA81 BB23 C00C 61FC 752C | 01:43 |
| plasma41 | It may be the old key, but it's the key the chimaera dsc file is signed with. | 01:45 |
| plasma41 | gpgv: Signature made Fri 11 Jun 2021 12:17:50 PM CDT | 01:45 |
| plasma41 | gpgv: using RSA key 72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | on which package? | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | ew | 01:45 |
| plasma41 | dbus_1.12.20-2+devuan2.dsc freshly downloaded using `apt source dbus/chimaera`. | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | maybe bring this up in devuan-infra | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | I don't know how packages get signed | 01:48 |
| plasma41 | LeePen made the last entry in the changelog. | 01:50 |
| unixman_home | fsmithred, thanks. Since 2023 is going to be a long time to wait to use a decent mail reader again I may just go ahead and get daedalus. Is it possible to dis-upgrade to that, or will I need to do a fresh install? | 01:59 |
| unixman_home | s/dis/dist/ | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | you can dist-upgrade to daedalus. Another option would be to backport davmail. That might be easy or not. | 02:01 |
| plasma41 | unixman_home: There's always the option of trying to compile the daedalus source package on chimaera. | 02:01 |
| unixman_home | Hmm, yeah. Since davmail is Java, it might work fine. | 02:01 |
| unixman_home | I think it needs at minimum JRE 8. | 02:02 |
| plasma41 | plasma41: Roll your own backport, effectively. | 02:02 |
| plasma41 | s/plasma41/unix_home/ | 02:03 |
| plasma41 | I hate it when I do that. | 02:03 |
| unixman_home | plasma41, I wondered why you were talking to yourself. ;) | 02:03 |
| plasma41 | Tab completion is happy to oblige when the word I'm looking at and the word I'm typing get crossed in my brain. | 02:05 |
| micdud | another option is installing a package from unstable/testing in to stable , depending on dependancies , it might be easy and just work or pull in majority of new system , unless holds are placed | 02:24 |
| micdud | but option i love best , is i use schroots for testing and unstable systems when i need just a package or two but cannot compromise the main system , absolutley fullproff | 02:25 |
| micdud | even ran minecraft(java) for nephew in a schroot, with half a proprietary nvidia driver (just libs) inside of schroot using the restf of nvidia driver outside of schroot | 02:31 |
| micdud | basicaly you can have a full testing and an unstable system inside of stable, without runing virtualisation like kvm or xen | 02:34 |
| micdud | sharing a stable kernel | 02:34 |
| Guest63 | i mounted the iso and did the find command the package was there but when i install the iso it didnt install them | 09:20 |
| rrq | yes it only installs what is asked for | 09:48 |
| Guest63 | ok well how do i install it then | 10:05 |
| gnarface | Guest63: once your /etc/apt/sources.list file points to the cdrom (and it is mounted) then you should just be able to run "apt-get install [package name]" to install any given package, where [package name] is the name of the package (no brackets) | 10:33 |
| gnarface | Guest63: sorry, run "apt-get update" once immediately before the apt-get install command, then it should work | 10:33 |
| gnarface | Guest63: it is smart enough to automatically include any dependencies if they're also on the cdrom | 10:35 |
| Guest63 | i made desktop iso | 11:34 |
| gnarface | Guest63: yes, the desktop iso can also be used as an apt repository after you've installed with it | 13:31 |
| gnarface | Guest63: if you have a network connection this is unnecessary but i had assumed you knew that | 13:31 |
| ananimusus | Hello everyone. Just installed devuan, as soon as the problem arose: the wireless network does not work. With the combination of ifupdown + wpa_supplicant + dhclient, at least the ethernet connection worked, but before I removed avahi-autoipd it also did not work. What could be the problem? | 14:02 |
| ananimusus | https://pastebin.com/zrYVmB3Y | 14:02 |
| buZz | ananimusus: fyi, wpa_supplicant has nothing to do with ethernet | 14:24 |
| buZz | avahi needing -removal- before ethernet works sounds like a network config issue outside of your fresh devuan install | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | `` | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | ` | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | ' | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | you can dist-upgrade to daedalus. Another option would be to backport davmail. That might be easy or not. | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | wtf? | 14:49 |
| gnarface | well, i always remove avahi for breaking my stuff too | 14:52 |
| gnarface | but i understand that it works very well it just implements features i don't want | 14:53 |
| buZz | i havent ever seen 'uninstall avahi made eth0 work' before | 14:54 |
| buZz | but ,... i guess its possible? | 14:54 |
| buZz | i think its just some coincidence | 14:54 |
| gnarface | well avahi implements ethernet autoconfiguration based on hotplug events, if your ethernet hardware has that feature, and it can tend to become an annoyance because autoconfiguration also includes deconfiguration | 15:24 |
| buZz | ah? i thought it was just mdns , but i guess the autoconfig ips are from it aswell? | 15:25 |
| gnarface | if you've set up expectations based on a static config the results can be fairly harmful | 15:25 |
| gnarface | and that's all entirely aside from the inherent security problems that come along with the bonjour protol stuff | 15:26 |
| ananimusus | Initially I wanted to switch to unstable. There is no more of that strange problem with avahi. But of all the connection options, only wired via dhcp still works. | 15:50 |
| buZz | i dont understand you using 'still' | 15:51 |
| buZz | didnt you just install this system fresh? | 15:51 |
| gnarface | ananimusus: if you paste the error to paste.debian.net i'll actually take a look at it, but with wireless hardware you might need a non-free firmware package | 15:58 |
| charles | has anyone been able to get tailscale to work on devuan? | 15:58 |
| ananimusus | buZz: It is a fresh system. Doesn't work the same as it did before upgrading to daedalus on chimaera. | 16:57 |
| buZz | i dont get it, what does 'upgrading a system' have to do with this fresh system? | 16:58 |
| ananimusus | firmware-misc-nonfree and firmware-realtek already installer | 16:58 |
| ananimusus | Do not know. I just hoped it would help somehow. | 17:02 |
| APic | Devuan does not come with any Kind of „Personal Firewall“ activated by default, does it? | 20:09 |
| debdog | there's (g)ufw, dunno whether it is installed AND activated by any task | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | no, there's no firewall by default | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | several that you can install | 20:22 |
| micdud | logrotate with copytruncate on a tmpfs for a file that is being (colortail -f logfile.log) , causes colortail quickly eat up all the mem . (not the tmpfs allocation) should not copytruncate be invisible to the program tailing ? like (echo "" > file) | 20:33 |
| Xenguy | APic, I used to use Shorewall, but now just install ufw, which is fine for the basics | 21:06 |
| * APic does not actually _want_ a Firewall that runs on the same Box ☺ | 21:06 | |
| Xenguy | Well good luck with that, let us know when you've figured it out | 21:07 |
| ananimusus | I tried to connect to the network manually, without ifupdown, and it worked for me. I did not expect that the problem lies in it. lol. | 22:08 |
| rrq | ananimusus: presumably a configuration mistake of course | 22:32 |
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