one | rwp, yeah... I was just wanting to get acquainted with this chat and irc(been a while). But, it's probably good to note the daemonize package issue.... so people interested don't get turned off until Debian fixes the issue. For example, same install process works perfectly on ubuntu22... as well as Devuan version of Peppermint worked without a hitch.. | 00:26 |
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one | Does Devuan have any "System Administrator" type manuals? Or is it really Debian Admin? BC its basically the same | 00:34 |
Xenguy_ | one, It would be the same, except for systemd of course | 02:26 |
rwp | one, The Debian Reference is quite good. Online. Free. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ | 04:59 |
rwp | one, A somewhat dated now reference was good. The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques, by Marin F. Krafft, No Starch Press, 2005. | 05:00 |
one | rwp: I also like debian, but found that I got slightly better outcomes using gnu sites.. but lots of overlap. Also, FREE BSD resources are just awesome. I found my learning accelerated by tackling the same tasks accross diferrent systems. helped me better identify same process in different env's. Which is massive for noobs | 05:39 |
one | thanks for that pointer, really is an extensive at Debian. And, I found my most recent fix for a hiccup using Debian site just this afternoon! really is great! | 05:41 |
rwp | one, Since Devuan is an overlay on Debian all of that Debian knowledge is useful for Devuan too. | 05:48 |
rwp | And I agree that doing cross platform development and testing is very good. Every new platform taught me something about my programs. | 05:48 |
one | rwp, right. I also like it bc I like to fantasize about free/open source going big tent where we all are just what container today? Not Im a windows, or linux guy etc | 07:01 |
one | or a debian, ubuntu, parrot etc guy.... lol | 07:02 |
one | Like even the Debs like to gnaw on each other. More than just competitive banter | 07:02 |
one | Oh, was kinda curious, is Peppermint Devuan have to do with Devuan? | 07:03 |
one | I guess it's Peppermint 11(Devuan) | 07:03 |
Xenguy | one, Not sure about Peppermint; not listed here: https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros | 07:06 |
Xenguy | Interesting: https://news.itsfoss.com/peppermint-os-devuan/ | 07:07 |
Xenguy | Maybe we should be updating that devuan page, hrm | 07:07 |
one | I mean, I LOVE peppermint. And, I'm actually running regular Devuan only bc I'm lazy and the USB I had made went sour, and i didn't feel like doing more, so just netbootxyz'ed into net install | 07:08 |
one | Peppermint is really good for noobs, and gaining exposure to possibilities when you don't have a clear concept of all limitations | 07:09 |
one | that's my interpretation | 07:09 |
Xenguy | First I've heard of it (I don't distro hop anymore these days) | 07:10 |
one | that's all i've been doing, guess that makes me distro floozie | 07:13 |
one | LOL | 07:13 |
Xenguy | No, I think everyone explores that at some point | 07:13 |
Xenguy | Or many folks | 07:13 |
one | It is fun... | 07:26 |
NeverAlone | Distrohopping is quite fun | 09:21 |
oz4ga | NeverAlone: fun? Thats a new one. | 09:36 |
oz4ga | onefang & fsmithred : I manged to get my Devuan to run natively on ZFS, so I'm so happy. It turned out, that there is an error in Open-ZFSs documentation on which options you should set on you root zvol. | 09:40 |
oz4ga | -O dnodesize=auto is *ABSOLUTELY NOT* to be set if you want Devuan patched / updated to understand ZFS. The filesystem will "unknown" after spotting that one, it was almost duck soup to copy / rsync a running system from an ext2 or ext4 system to a new disk with ZFS. And boot vol NAH! no need for that. all you need i a zvol for "7" and an efi partition (2 since I'm running a on a ZFSmirror) thta all you need | 09:43 |
oz4ga | \o> \o/ <o/ | 09:43 |
rrq | 0 (Ethernet) | 09:43 |
rrq | lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING> mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 | 09:43 |
rrq | sorry ... mistaken pasting | 09:45 |
onefang | At least it wasn't a password. | 09:45 |
oz4ga | lol | 09:45 |
onefang | Well done oz4ga. | 09:46 |
oz4ga | thank you and thank you for your patiensce | 09:46 |
oz4ga | I better send those open-zfs a note on my findings, so they can update their "Debian Bullseye Root on ZFS" guuide | 09:47 |
oz4ga | open-zfs guys. I cant find my ffc /fat finger corrector) ;) | 09:48 |
NeverAlone | <oz4ga> "AloneER0: fun? Thats a new one." <- Fun unless it will get out off hand | 09:49 |
NeverAlone | I think you get what I mean | 09:49 |
freemangordon | linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 but it is not installable | 11:45 |
freemangordon | is that normal or just a transition period? | 11:45 |
djph | why's it complaining you can't install 4.19? | 11:45 |
djph | also, which devuan release is this? | 11:45 |
freemangordon | oldstable | 11:46 |
freemangordon | beowulf | 11:46 |
freemangordon | I have linux-image-4.19.0-21-amd64 installed and trying to upgrade the kernel | 11:46 |
djph | hm, that should be able to pull in 4.19 .. | 11:46 |
djph | don't have a beowulf around to double-check though. everything here's moved up to chimaera :( | 11:47 |
freemangordon | seems linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 is missing in the repos, but maybe it needs time to be build, that's why I am asking | 11:47 |
djph | something seems amiss -- debian side dependency is 4.19.0-21 | 11:50 |
freemangordon | something seems broken, as there is linux-headers-4.19.0-22-amd64 | 11:53 |
freemangordon | but not linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 | 11:54 |
djph | seems so | 11:55 |
freemangordon | the breakage seems to be in debian repos though | 11:56 |
rrq | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=linux-image-4.19.0-22&x=submit | 11:56 |
gnarface | ah yes, as i suspected | 11:57 |
gnarface | make sure beowulf-security is in your sources, freemangordon | 11:57 |
freemangordon | I think it is, lemme double-check | 11:57 |
fatal | what if you do `apt install linux-image-amd64`? | 11:58 |
freemangordon | deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main contrib non-free | 11:58 |
gnarface | hmm, try it without https | 11:58 |
freemangordon | linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 but it is not installabl | 11:58 |
freemangordon | ok | 11:58 |
fatal | is this a dist-upgrade or just backports? | 11:59 |
gnarface | should not need either in this case | 12:00 |
gnarface | i don't think so anyway, for a minor revision bump? | 12:00 |
freemangordon | same result: https://pastebin.com/XkDnbeZt | 12:00 |
gnarface | maybe yes on dist-upgrade because it's the kernel | 12:00 |
gnarface | but i didn't think so | 12:00 |
gnarface | no idea what's wrong sorry | 12:01 |
freemangordon | well, installing manually should not need dist-upgrade | 12:01 |
gnarface | if you want me to look at the paste, just /msg it to me or use paste.debian.net | 12:01 |
fatal | what your sources.list look like? | 12:01 |
fsmithred | if kernel metapackage is installed, you should get new kernels automatically on upgrade | 12:01 |
fsmithred | I'm doing an upgrade on beowulf right now. Will see what I get in a minute. | 12:01 |
freemangordon | fatal: see pastebin ^^^ | 12:01 |
freemangordon | fsmithred: ok | 12:02 |
fatal | k | 12:02 |
freemangordon | omg: https://pastebin.com/1j6ktVmU | 12:04 |
fatal | apt install -f ; dpkg --reconfigure -a | 12:09 |
freemangordon | fatal: it is not that I don;t know how to install a package by hand, the point is that upgrade fails | 12:10 |
fatal | maybe something held back in /etc/apt? | 12:11 |
freemangordon | lets see how fsmithred's upgrade will finish, that'd give a clue if it is something broken on my system or in general | 12:12 |
fsmithred | ii linux-headers-4.19.0-22-amd64 | 12:15 |
fsmithred | ii linux-image-4.19.0-21-amd64 | 12:15 |
freemangordon | yes, headers are installed | 12:15 |
freemangordon | exactly | 12:15 |
fsmithred | Package linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 is not available | 12:16 |
fsmithred | However the following packages replace it: | 12:16 |
fsmithred | linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned | 12:16 |
freemangordon | mhm | 12:16 |
fatal | try installing at least the *-21-amd64 | 12:16 |
fsmithred | Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned. | 12:17 |
fsmithred | it's installing | 12:17 |
freemangordon | but you still cannot install linux-image-amd64 | 12:17 |
freemangordon | as it has a hard dependency on linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 | 12:18 |
freemangordon | and -unsigned package does not seem to provide it | 12:18 |
fsmithred | I haven't gotten that far yet | 12:18 |
freemangordon | it Replaces: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 and Conflicts: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64, but does not Provides: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 | 12:19 |
freemangordon | see apt-cache show linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned | 12:19 |
freemangordon | someone must have forgotten to add Provides: line in debian/control | 12:20 |
fsmithred | either that or add the -unigned to the deps in the metapackage | 12:22 |
freemangordon | right | 12:24 |
fsmithred | aptitude sums it up: linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package | 12:25 |
fsmithred | that should get a bug report to debian if there isn't already one | 12:25 |
fatal | same here on a virtual machine with beowulf. trying to dist-upgrade now. | 13:15 |
fatal | which worked, i now have 5.10.0-18-amd64 kernel with chimaera. | 13:23 |
fsmithred | oh, the same problem exists in chimaera? | 13:23 |
fatal | no, with beowulf. when i did apt full-upgrade. | 13:24 |
fatal | i now did a dist-upgrade | 13:24 |
fsmithred | those should be the same | 13:24 |
fsmithred | oh, nm. you upgraded to chimaera? | 13:24 |
fatal | yes | 13:24 |
fatal | just apparmor is complaining at boot but it did it before | 13:25 |
fatal | init 6 | 13:25 |
fatal | ... | 13:25 |
fsmithred | I remove that if it sneaks in. | 13:25 |
fatal | so in beowulf with full-upgrade it gives you this error | 13:26 |
buZz | fatal: did you do 'apt update | 13:26 |
buZz | *prior* to upgrade? | 13:26 |
fatal | i now just purged 4.19.0-14 | 13:26 |
freemangordon | buZz: there is a bug in one of the packages | 13:27 |
buZz | aah ok | 13:27 |
freemangordon | see scrollback | 13:27 |
fatal | buZz: i did a regular update and then tried also full-upgrade | 13:27 |
buZz | oh ok, i've already been chimaera for a while on desktop | 13:27 |
freemangordon | buZz: leste VM is on beowulf (as is leste in general) | 13:28 |
buZz | hmhm | 13:28 |
buZz | yeah but quite different kernel :D | 13:29 |
fatal | `apt update ; apt upgrade ; ...` doesn't throw you that dependency error | 13:29 |
freemangordon | it says a packge is held back | 13:29 |
freemangordon | but ugrades headers if you have installed | 13:29 |
fatal | i used the beowulf net-installer if it helps | 13:30 |
freemangordon | so you are in situation in which you have headers there is no image for | 13:30 |
fatal | no headers | 13:30 |
fatal | nvm | 13:40 |
fatal | anybody know what /etc/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels is for? | 13:44 |
Deknos | well.. autoremoving older kernels? | 13:49 |
djph | fatal: stab in teh dark -- to auto-remove old stuff | 13:49 |
fatal | sounds reasonable | 13:50 |
fatal | so i just dropped openssh for dropbear, now the thing is that it also cleaned out some unicode characters. | 15:01 |
fatal | ...like 70Mb of stuff. | 15:02 |
fatal | yeah dropbear works, i have nothing for sshfs yet and yeah i'm missing characters. | 15:02 |
fatal | if anyone know where they are please message me in any public channel | 15:03 |
fatal | meanwhile i'm looking through 116 lines of removed packages | 15:14 |
Xenguy | I think I got the same kernel error on Beowulf as someone above: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1f9fc081/ | 19:30 |
Xenguy | Assuming this is a Debian issue | 19:30 |
Atari-Frosch | Just seen while installing a new system with Chimaera: intel-microcodes depends on iucode-tool, but that package does not exist in Chimaera (or Bullseye). | 23:29 |
Xenguy | Huh, definitely some disturbance in the force today (analogous issue with Beowulf kernel today also) | 23:39 |
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