| fsmithred_ | ok, after another update, I don't see it in sid anymore. | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred_ | sid non-free | 00:02 |
| onefang | If things are currently broken in Debian, complain to them. Devuan can worry about it when the dust settles. | 00:03 |
| fsmithred_ | and yes, I see it in sid non-free-firmware | 00:05 |
| onefang | Could also be that Debian mirrors are still updating if it's a recent change. | 00:06 |
| hagbard | it isnt't broken in debian. It is an intentional change in debian. | 00:06 |
| Jjp137 | found a e-mail thread about them moving packages to non-free-firmware: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2023/01/msg00150.html | 00:06 |
| onefang | By "broken" I meant "not fully completed yet". | 00:07 |
| onefang | "They do say things are changing rapidly as the implement the new repo." as fsmithred_ said. | 00:08 |
| hagbard | The merge seems to be done now. The firmware-amd-graphics package is on my devuan repo mirror, at least. | 00:10 |
| fsmithred_ | hagbard, in which section?? | 00:11 |
| hagbard | non-free-firmware | 00:11 |
| brocashelm | i am using dev.beard.ly repo and only see firmware-ast, atmel-firmware, firmware-realtek-rtl8723cs-bt, firmware-sof-signed, and raspi-firmware in non-free-firmware | 00:23 |
| brocashelm | and on daedalus (switched from ceres) | 00:24 |
| rwp | onefang, Regarding apt-cacher-ng and devuan mirrors... I have captured a libpython3-stdlib_3.11.1-3_amd64.deb of the wrong size. It appears that getting libpython3-stdlib_3.11.1-3_amd64.deb became a redirect to python3_3.11.1-3_amd64.deb! Resulting in apt-cacher-ng caching the latter as the former. | 00:40 |
| onefang | Is that redirect on the mirror you are syncing from? | 00:42 |
| rwp | Because of the round robin DNS it is a little difficult for me to say exactly which one served it. Let me prepare a paste for you. | 00:44 |
| brocashelm | onefang: yes | 00:44 |
| brocashelm | i use it because it's one of the u.s. servers and doesn't fail unlike the blendbyte one | 00:45 |
| onefang | I meant that question for rwp. lol | 00:45 |
| rwp | onefang, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1269039 | 00:46 |
| onefang | Though right now I'm trying to figure out why my sub bass is barely audible, and some one elses sub bass is fine, even though the level meter and spectrum analyser say they are almost identical. | 00:47 |
| onefang | I might just need bigger speakers, and less neighbours. lol | 00:48 |
| Necrodiver | so i have a major problem | 08:16 |
| Necrodiver | and it involves nivida | 08:16 |
| Necrodiver | can someone help out? | 08:16 |
| onefang | There are people here that can help with nVidia, though I'm not one of them. Tell us what your problem is, then one of the others can probably help. Though you may need to wait a while. | 08:18 |
| Necrodiver | specifically, i got this "new" pc, with a core 2 quad 8300. It has a nvidia gpu in it and whenever i try to watch any kind of video, it freezes the system. I looked through the syslog and it seems to be an issue with nouveau | 08:18 |
| Necrodiver | because before the crashes, the last thing it logs is activity from nouveau | 08:19 |
| gnarface | yea, nouveau is really bad at video | 08:19 |
| gnarface | you'll need the non-free official drivers, but for a card that old you might actually need the legacy ones | 08:19 |
| onefang | There's one of our nVidia experts. B-) | 08:19 |
| Necrodiver | lemme check what card it is | 08:20 |
| Necrodiver | geforce gt 220 | 08:20 |
| Necrodiver | iirc its a 1gb card | 08:20 |
| Necrodiver | i mean i got this pc for dirt cheap | 08:20 |
| Necrodiver | so i cant complain | 08:20 |
| Necrodiver | but i want to be able to use this pc since now my old i5-2400 wont start (psu problem me thinks) | 08:21 |
| gnarface | the cpu is a core 2 duo ? | 08:21 |
| Necrodiver | core 2 quad 8300 | 08:21 |
| Necrodiver | i mean as long as i can do my daily crap im okay with what i have but i know even Linus torvalds hates nvidia, but i wanna actually use this pc | 08:23 |
| Necrodiver | i plan on trying to find a radeon 6450 that fits large pcs, but in japan, old parts arent easy to come by | 08:23 |
| gnarface | alright, according to nvidia's site the last driver to support that card was 340.108 (november 2019) which i think should correspond to nvidia-legacy-340xx in the repos | 08:24 |
| gnarface | only problem is, that seems to be missing from current stable and testing | 08:25 |
| Necrodiver | damn and im on testing lol | 08:25 |
| Necrodiver | unless theres a deb package i can just download | 08:25 |
| gnarface | well let's try some test searches | 08:25 |
| gnarface | you got non-free enabled? | 08:25 |
| Necrodiver | yeah and also deb-multimedia non-free | 08:26 |
| gnarface | ah, note that deb-multimedia is a bad idea | 08:26 |
| gnarface | even if you were on an actual debian system they'd recommend against it these days | 08:26 |
| gnarface | but afaik they don't build devuan safe packages, on top of their other quality control issues | 08:27 |
| gnarface | the video crashes you were experiencing could have been related to deb-multimedia problems, but nouveau has enough problems of its own to share suspicion | 08:27 |
| brocashelm | you can try pinning certain packages from dmo (e.g. libdvdcss2) while everything else is from the official devuan repo | 08:27 |
| brocashelm | it's not easy to revert dmo versions of packages. you might have to mass delete a bunch of packages and then add them back in from devuan | 08:28 |
| onefang | People keep saying that deb-multimedia is bad, but I've never had any problems- with it. So YMMV. | 08:29 |
| gnarface | they caused so many support issues for debian that debian sued them to stop using the debian name | 08:29 |
| gnarface | that's when it got renamed to "deb-multimedia" | 08:29 |
| Necrodiver | oof | 08:29 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: alright, here's what i got for you: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Envidia-legacy-340xx&x=submit | 08:30 |
| brocashelm | my problem is the maintainer keeps changing up the dependencies of common packages like openshot-qt to force installation of blender | 08:30 |
| brocashelm | so it turns into a clusterfuck if you let it | 08:30 |
| onefang | I use Blenders own download package, coz I want the latest. Then install it in /opt. | 08:31 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: seems to be missing from chimaera and daedalus, but the packages from ceres might work since it's still pretty similar to daedalus and you've already frankensteined your system | 08:31 |
| brocashelm | an idea that fsmithred gave me is to include ceres repo, but pin ceres to 50 so you prefer daedalus versions whenever available | 08:31 |
| Necrodiver | i mean i could move back to ceres, its not a huge deal | 08:31 |
| gnarface | note that you'll need more than just this one package, but they should all come up in searches with the substring "nvidia-legacy-340xx" | 08:31 |
| gnarface | there should more or less be one of them for every current nvidia package | 08:32 |
| Necrodiver | yeah nothing comes up in daedalus | 08:32 |
| Necrodiver | brb i need to fix something in bios | 08:33 |
| Necrodiver | sorry about that gnarface | 08:42 |
| Necrodiver | i needed to reconnect one of the sata cables to one of the hdds on here | 08:43 |
| Necrodiver | so i should probably go back to ceres if i wanna get the drivers | 08:44 |
| gnarface | seems like it, since it would be easier to do that than go back to beowulf | 08:45 |
| gnarface | or you could just wait and hope legacy-340xx makes it back into testing eventually | 08:45 |
| gnarface | or you could throw caution to the wind and install the ceres ones in daedalus. it might work | 08:46 |
| Necrodiver | meh its easier just to go back to ceres | 08:46 |
| gnarface | either way you may have to remove all the deb-multimedia stuff anyway | 08:46 |
| Necrodiver | i was using ceres for a long time anyway | 08:46 |
| gnarface | i'm told they're currently very similar | 08:47 |
| gnarface | the window to switch back and forth will close relatively soon though | 08:47 |
| Necrodiver | yeha thats why i dropped to daedalus | 08:47 |
| Necrodiver | but i need these nvidia drivers | 08:48 |
| Necrodiver | or else all i have to use is my thinkpad x200s | 08:48 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 08:48 |
| brocashelm | do what was suggested earlier: add ceres, but pin it to 50 so daedalus is preferred | 08:48 |
| brocashelm | they're still very similar at the moment | 08:49 |
| gnarface | you could do that and maybe they'll put 340xx back into daedalus in a couple weeks and you can correct the issue | 08:49 |
| gnarface | seems worth a try | 08:49 |
| Necrodiver | too late lol | 08:49 |
| gnarface | doh | 08:49 |
| Necrodiver | i dont mind being on ceres though | 08:50 |
| Necrodiver | i was on it for ages | 08:50 |
| onefang | Ah might be the new non free firmware thingy screwing things up? | 08:50 |
| brocashelm | if you created a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d | 08:50 |
| brocashelm | Package: * | 08:50 |
| gnarface | onefang: i wouldn't have expected so since these are categorically drivers, not just firmware, but i guess it's possible | 08:50 |
| brocashelm | Pin: release n=ceres | 08:51 |
| brocashelm | Pin-Priority: 50 | 08:51 |
| Necrodiver | so after i install the drivers | 08:51 |
| onefang | Drivers might depend on firmware. | 08:51 |
| Necrodiver | should i just outright remove nouveau | 08:51 |
| brocashelm | then you will stay on daedalus while supplementing with ceres | 08:51 |
| gnarface | onefang: they do, but afaik nvidia doesn't package the firmware separately | 08:51 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: no, just blacklist the nouveau module and remove all the mesa gl stuff | 08:52 |
| Necrodiver | how do i black list nouveau? | 08:52 |
| brocashelm | in /etc/modprobe.d | 08:52 |
| brocashelm | create a file called blacklist-nouveau.conf | 08:53 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: is it really too late to go back? there was one thing brought up earlier, debian upstream supposedly moved all the firmware to a new repo section called "non-free-firmware" and onefang was wondering if the disappearance of these nvidia drivers from regular non-free is related... i'm not sure pkginfo.devuan.org is smart enough to search non-free-firmware yet | 08:53 |
| brocashelm | then just add the line blacklist nouveau | 08:53 |
| brocashelm | at least that's what i think it is referred to | 08:53 |
| gnarface | yea, that's right brocashelm | 08:53 |
| brocashelm | then reboot | 08:53 |
| gnarface | echo "blacklist nouveau" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf | 08:53 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: i just got an update for firmware-amd-graphics on daedalus with the transition to non-free-firmware | 08:55 |
| Necrodiver | hey brocashelm | 08:55 |
| brocashelm | hey | 08:56 |
| brocashelm | #devuan-offtopic btw | 08:56 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: yea, but even though that firmware crosses the boundary hard since it's the bulk of the total binary content of the driver, the real actual driver is in the main kernel packages... that's not the case with nvidia | 08:56 |
| Necrodiver | do apt search nvidia-legacy-340xx | 08:56 |
| Necrodiver | okay i blacklisted nouveau | 08:57 |
| Necrodiver | now to install these drivers | 08:57 |
| brocashelm | i just ran apt update on ceres and there are 150 new updates (since downgrading packages to daedalus the day before) | 08:59 |
| Necrodiver | gnarface: which package from the list of legacy drivers should i install? | 08:59 |
| Necrodiver | i tried with nvidia-legacy-340xx* | 08:59 |
| Necrodiver | but its a whole new 275 mb | 09:00 |
| Necrodiver | was thinking that might not be the right idea | 09:00 |
| Necrodiver | also which mesa stuff do i need to remove? | 09:02 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: you want to install literally every package with the "nvidia-legacy-340xx" substring except the one with also the "persistenced" substring (if furnished) and remove literally every mesa package except mesa-utils, so you can make sure the driver is working with glxgears | 09:04 |
| gnarface | to be clear, you don't actually need mesa-utils either but it's the only one that's not gonna be harmful to the nvidia libraries | 09:05 |
| Necrodiver | so apt remove mesa*? | 09:06 |
| gnarface | *mesa* | 09:06 |
| Necrodiver | okay | 09:06 |
| gnarface | and personally i'd purge not just remove | 09:06 |
| Necrodiver | okay | 09:06 |
| gnarface | btw same with the nvidia packages... it's *nvidia-legacy-340xx* not just nvidia-legacy-340xx* | 09:07 |
| Necrodiver | okay | 09:07 |
| Necrodiver | starting the nvidia install | 09:07 |
| Necrodiver | ill remove mesa after all thats done | 09:08 |
| gnarface | note there might be a couple of the nvidia packages with something like "glxvnd" in them that can't be co-installed with their counterpart that has the "non-glxvnd" substring, i'm not sure really which ones of that set you actually want or if it'll even matter for you | 09:08 |
| gnarface | i think the non-glxvnd ones are for if you don't have any other brands of video cards in the system and the last time i used them they seemed faster | 09:09 |
| Necrodiver | if this gets this pc to werk, ill be so happy | 09:09 |
| gnarface | i don't know if drivers as old as 340 had that split already | 09:09 |
| gnarface | so you might not have to worry about it | 09:10 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 09:10 |
| gnarface | oh | 09:10 |
| gnarface | i almost forgot | 09:10 |
| gnarface | you might not have xserver-xorg-video-nvidia either | 09:10 |
| Necrodiver | ? | 09:10 |
| gnarface | make sure you also get xserver-xorg-video-nvidia from non-free | 09:10 |
| Necrodiver | no i dont, i need it | 09:10 |
| Necrodiver | hold on, finishing the driver install | 09:11 |
| gnarface | do a search for xserver-xorg-video and make sure there's not a xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy or something like that, but if there is get that instead | 09:11 |
| Necrodiver | there is one for legacy 340xx | 09:11 |
| Necrodiver | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-340xx | 09:12 |
| gnarface | there is. you probably also want nvidia-settings if there's one for 340xx too | 09:12 |
| gnarface | the current nvidia-settings might not work with 340xx | 09:12 |
| gnarface | strictly speaking you don't really need nvidia-settings either but some stuff it makes easier | 09:13 |
| Necrodiver | after all the shit ive been dealing with trying to figure this out, anything to make my life easier is perfectly fine with me lol | 09:13 |
| Necrodiver | now lets say i decided to get an amd radeon 6450 and replace the nvidia card | 09:15 |
| Necrodiver | i just delete all the nvidia drivers and find the amd ones? | 09:15 |
| brocashelm | yeah, firmware-amd-graphics is an essential package for that | 09:16 |
| Necrodiver | holy shit | 09:16 |
| Necrodiver | when i did the apt purge *mesa* | 09:17 |
| Necrodiver | it even wanted to delete the nvidia stuff | 09:17 |
| Necrodiver | and it was gonna delete all of my tde stuff too | 09:17 |
| Necrodiver | okay well let me reboot real quick | 09:19 |
| Necrodiver | since i installed the drivers | 09:19 |
| Necrodiver | and blacklisted nouveau | 09:19 |
| Necrodiver | okay | 09:21 |
| Necrodiver | there are some glitches on the screen | 09:22 |
| gnarface | sounds like nvidia to me | 09:22 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 09:22 |
| * onefang hands you Glitchex (tm). | 09:22 | |
| gnarface | fiddle with nvidia-settings, maybe just disabling page flipping might do it | 09:22 |
| gnarface | you might have to screw with your compositor's settings if there are any | 09:23 |
| gnarface | got some recommended environment variables for you: https://paste.debian.net/1269064/ | 09:24 |
| Necrodiver | i need to install the xserver-xorg nvidia legacy package too | 09:24 |
| Necrodiver | sheeit | 09:24 |
| gnarface | the thing about not being able to remove the mesa stuff i forget exactly how to fix without reinstalling the whole desktop stack, but i think it boils down to just one package you can replace first with an alternative then you can ditch them | 09:25 |
| Necrodiver | oh nm the xserver one is installed | 09:25 |
| gnarface | if nothing in nvidia-settings makes the graphical glitches go away try a different window manager as a test | 09:26 |
| gnarface | do double check your Xorg.0.log though to make sure it's using the nvidia drivers and look for any errors about missing libraries or whatever | 09:27 |
| gnarface | but yea, if you wanted to switch to amd you'd just remove all the nvidia packages and put the mesa packages back, plus that firmware-amd-graphics package, then you're good to go | 09:28 |
| Necrodiver | https://dpaste.org/SGswc | 09:29 |
| gnarface | uh, could you use paste.debian.net please? | 09:29 |
| gnarface | or just look yourself for any lines with "(EE)" on them | 09:30 |
| Necrodiver | doesnt look like anything is wrong there | 09:31 |
| gnarface | what does this give you? __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears | 09:34 |
| Necrodiver | where do i input that? | 09:34 |
| gnarface | in the terminal | 09:35 |
| gnarface | any terminal | 09:35 |
| gnarface | it should pop up a 3d animation of some gears while dumping periodic framerate measurements back to the terminal | 09:35 |
| gnarface | oh, and just thought of something else: make sure you have acpid installed because the drivers need it for power management, but you probably do already have it installed | 09:36 |
| gnarface | uh oh, crash perhaps | 09:37 |
| gnarface | crash? | 09:37 |
| Necrodiver | yep | 09:37 |
| gnarface | doh | 09:37 |
| gnarface | from glxgears? | 09:37 |
| Necrodiver | yeah | 09:37 |
| gnarface | :( what type of graphical artifacts you seeing exactly? these and the crashing could be a symptom of bad video ram actually | 09:38 |
| Necrodiver | like little lines popping up | 09:38 |
| Necrodiver | here and there | 09:38 |
| gnarface | ... or it could just be a library version mismatch from that deb-multimedia mess, hard to say | 09:39 |
| gnarface | did you get all the mesa gl libraries out of there or do you still have a mixed setup? | 09:39 |
| Necrodiver | mixed setup, i dont know which files to delete | 09:39 |
| gnarface | basically everything named lib*mesa* but if it wants to remove your whole graphical stack you're gonna have to either let it and then reinstall it afterwards or find the dependency and over-install the alternative one | 09:40 |
| gnarface | there can be some packages that fulfill the same dependency, and apt wouldn't be smart enough to switch to the nvidia one, it'll just recursively remove all the rdepends too | 09:41 |
| gnarface | since mesa was installed first, that dependency would be fixed until you manually change it one way or another | 09:42 |
| Necrodiver | hmm | 09:42 |
| gnarface | although, you could try to use aptitude instead, it's known for being able to solve problems somewhat automatically | 09:42 |
| Necrodiver | aptitude remove *mesa*? | 09:43 |
| Necrodiver | or rather purge | 09:43 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure, i don't really use aptitude | 09:43 |
| Necrodiver | damn i dont wanna kill my entire system tbh | 09:43 |
| gnarface | well aptitude is pretty interactive. try to just list a few of the mesa packages at once, and it should prompt you with some potential solutions | 09:43 |
| gnarface | try to pick one that removes all the mesa packages without removing anything else | 09:44 |
| gnarface | now, theoretically you shouldn't have any problem just letting it all remove, you just have to reinstall everything again afterwards, minus the mesa stuff | 09:45 |
| gnarface | the complication would be the unknown amount of deb-multimedia stuff you might or might not be relying on | 09:45 |
| gnarface | theoretically you'd have to put that stuff all back exactly how it was | 09:46 |
| gnarface | but that might not be so easy | 09:46 |
| gnarface | on the other hand, you might find out stuff works better without it, i couldn't say | 09:46 |
| Necrodiver | hmmm | 09:46 |
| Necrodiver | aptitude found 90 packages with "mesa" in it | 09:47 |
| gnarface | hah wow | 09:47 |
| gnarface | that does sound like a lot, i can't be sure they're all related to mesa gl | 09:47 |
| gnarface | you might have to read the descriptions | 09:47 |
| onefang | Synaptic might be usefull. | 09:48 |
| gnarface | maybe try searching for "-mesa" and "mesa-" instead of just "mesa" | 09:48 |
| Necrodiver | crashed again and i was just looking at some amd radeons for this pc | 09:51 |
| Necrodiver | i wasnt even watching any videos | 09:51 |
| Necrodiver | maybe i should rip the mobo with the i5 out of that pc and throw it in here? | 09:52 |
| Necrodiver | they are both micro atxs so itll fit | 09:52 |
| Necrodiver | im just tired of opening up pcs all the time lol | 09:52 |
| Necrodiver | okay gonna test watching a video real quick | 09:58 |
| Necrodiver | see if it crashes | 09:59 |
| gnarface | when he comes back, someone tell him to check the temperatures | 10:06 |
| gnarface | cpu and video card | 10:06 |
| gnarface | the issue could be heat related too, and if he hasn't opened it he doesn't know if all the fans are working | 10:07 |
| Necrodiver | okay back | 10:15 |
| Necrodiver | im on my thinkpad right now | 10:15 |
| Necrodiver | the gpu temp was around 45 celcius | 10:15 |
| onefang | That's fairly typical temp. | 10:16 |
| Necrodiver | i thought it might be a heat issue too, but ive been monitoring the cpu temp with sensors | 10:16 |
| Necrodiver | the temps were around 36-40 | 10:17 |
| onefang | Mines running at 55 C, but it's summer here. | 10:17 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 10:17 |
| brocashelm | i use nvtop for monitoring my gpu | 10:20 |
| Necrodiver | maybe i should move my i5 mobo over to that pc | 10:32 |
| Necrodiver | then i wouldnt need the gpu | 10:33 |
| Necrodiver | since the i5 (and soon to arrive i7-3770) have integrated gpus | 10:33 |
| Necrodiver | hmm | 10:33 |
| Necrodiver | im kidna tired of opening pcs and moving shit though... | 10:34 |
| Necrodiver | and i do wanna push the core 2 quad a bit harder | 10:34 |
| Necrodiver | since i know it can handle pscx2... but that stupid nvidia card... | 10:34 |
| gnarface | i'd work the mesa libraries and deb-multimedia packages out of the system first to make sure it's not just a regular software conflict before taking any drastic measures with hardware changes | 10:43 |
| gnarface | did the video at least work alright? | 10:44 |
| gnarface | i mean up until it crashed anyway | 10:45 |
| gnarface | it should be obvious if it's using the video card from the high framerate and low cpu usage alone, but if it's lower res video and you fullscreen it, nvidia's hardware scaler will also have some distinct visual characteristics you might notice | 10:46 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 11:12 |
| Necrodiver | well | 11:12 |
| Necrodiver | ]i could do a clean install | 11:12 |
| Necrodiver | i mean ive been thinking about doing one for a long time | 11:13 |
| Necrodiver | ive installed and removed so much junk on there that there are probably a lot of orphaned packages that i havent cleaned up at all | 11:14 |
| Necrodiver | it wouldnt hurt | 11:15 |
| Necrodiver | i cant seem to find another radeon 6450 that actually fits in a regular sized tower | 11:16 |
| Necrodiver | ill have to see what other options i have | 11:16 |
| gnarface | you could try it from a boot usb or something to avoid risking your main install unnecessarily | 11:17 |
| gnarface | i'd suggest the devuan live image but i don't think it has the legacy drivers on it | 11:17 |
| Necrodiver | someone recommended i do a live boot of mint | 11:18 |
| gnarface | you could use refracta tools to make your own live image that does have the legacy drivers, but at that point there's little value in it being a "live" image, you might as well just do a regular install | 11:18 |
| Necrodiver | yeah lol | 11:19 |
| gnarface | incidentally, when you upgraded to ceres did you also upgrade the kernel? if not you might want to try that | 11:21 |
| gnarface | it might not have upgraded automatically if you didn't have the meta-package for it | 11:21 |
| gnarface | but it should be able to keep the old kernel still installed just in case you need to switch back | 11:22 |
| Necrodiver | what, sudo dist-upgrade? | 11:22 |
| Necrodiver | btw i found a nice radeon that seems to work with the core 2 quad 8300 | 11:23 |
| Necrodiver | https://jp.mercari.com/item/m46724292036 | 11:23 |
| gnarface | yea, dist-upgrade may not have upgraded the kernel if you didn't have the "linux-image-amd64" meta-package | 11:23 |
| gnarface | you would have to manually grab a linux-image-* package and corresponding linux-header-* package | 11:23 |
| gnarface | by version | 11:23 |
| gnarface | also, another question, did you have any xorg.conf at all, or were you relying completely on auto-detect? | 11:24 |
| gnarface | there's a couple variables you might want to set in there that might help things | 11:24 |
| gnarface | auto-detect won't help with the nvidia specific stuff | 11:25 |
| Necrodiver | i dont think i ever messed with the xorg.conf ever | 11:25 |
| gnarface | is there any file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf? | 11:25 |
| Necrodiver | lemme turn the pc one | 11:25 |
| Necrodiver | on | 11:25 |
| gnarface | you can check the kernel version with "uname -a" | 11:26 |
| Necrodiver | says 6.1.0.3 | 11:27 |
| Necrodiver | but after that says Debian 6.1.8-1 | 11:28 |
| gnarface | ok | 11:28 |
| gnarface | not sure but that sounds updated | 11:28 |
| gnarface | with the xorg.conf, i was mostly just thinking you wanna make sure you don't have an old stale one there | 11:29 |
| gnarface | if there's no xorg.conf currently that's probably fine | 11:29 |
| Necrodiver | theres a directory called xorg.conf.d | 11:29 |
| gnarface | that's stock, don't worry about that | 11:29 |
| gnarface | usually doesn't cause problems | 11:29 |
| Necrodiver | oh it has the nvidia legacy conf there | 11:29 |
| Necrodiver | okay so whats next on the list of things to do? | 11:30 |
| gnarface | you didn't answer me about the video | 11:30 |
| gnarface | did it work right until it crashed? | 11:30 |
| Necrodiver | the gears one? | 11:31 |
| gnarface | no you said you were gonna watch some videos | 11:31 |
| Necrodiver | oh youtube worked for a minute | 11:31 |
| gnarface | i wanted a report on if the hardware accel was working without visual glitches | 11:31 |
| Necrodiver | then when i tried to watch something on odysee, it froze | 11:31 |
| gnarface | i'm honestly not sure i have any other ideas other than get rid of the mesa stuff | 11:32 |
| gnarface | the one thing i had from my old xorg.conf that might be relevant is i was setting Option "AIGLX" "true" in the Section "ServerLayout" to fix some or another visual glitching i don't recall the specifics of, but eventually it became the default | 11:32 |
| Necrodiver | oh | 11:33 |
| gnarface | you should check the xorg log to make sure it still is | 11:33 |
| gnarface | but with the legacy drivers your'e using, it might not be | 11:33 |
| gnarface | i was also setting these in the "Device" section: | 11:34 |
| Necrodiver | one of the errors i got, the (EE) thing, failed ot load module "nv", module does not exist | 11:34 |
| gnarface | (at some point in time anyway, i had commented them out much earlier for breaking things) | 11:34 |
| gnarface | Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" | 11:34 |
| gnarface | Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" | 11:34 |
| Necrodiver | that in the nvidia settings? | 11:35 |
| gnarface | you might be able to set at least one of those with some nvidia-settings thing but i forget | 11:35 |
| Necrodiver | okay current cpu temps (4cores), 34, 26, 34, 34 | 11:35 |
| gnarface | no those would go in the xorg.conf Section "Device" like i said, but i don't think they're for your problem | 11:36 |
| Necrodiver | gpu temp 37 | 11:36 |
| gnarface | that is, i don't think they're for your problem but i'm not sure they're not | 11:36 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 11:36 |
| gnarface | i also had instability caused by having triplebuffer enabled | 11:36 |
| gnarface | which shouldn't be on by default but make sure you don't set it in nvidia-settings | 11:37 |
| gnarface | if AIGLX isn't on, definitely try setting that one thoguh | 11:38 |
| gnarface | auto-detect will try several drivers before settling on the actual one called "nvidia" | 11:38 |
| gnarface | make sure the log does say that's what it picked | 11:38 |
| gnarface | (you can set that explicitly in a xorg.conf snippet if you prefer) | 11:39 |
| Necrodiver | okay so it loads nvidia before anything else | 11:39 |
| Necrodiver | when it comes to graphics devices | 11:40 |
| Necrodiver | nouveau is AFTER that | 11:40 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 11:40 |
| gnarface | doesn't sound right | 11:40 |
| Necrodiver | lemme get a snippet to you | 11:40 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net | 11:40 |
| gnarface | or just /msg it to me | 11:40 |
| Necrodiver | hmm it froze while i was trying to open paste debian | 11:41 |
| gnarface | you don't need a whole xorg.conf anymore, i think you can put just the Device section to pick the nvidia driver | 11:41 |
| gnarface | then it shouldn't try anything else | 11:41 |
| gnarface | if it's too crashy to even do that, maybe you should get the mesa packages out first | 11:43 |
| Necrodiver | okay pmed you the xorg log stuff | 11:45 |
| Necrodiver | i need to grab a couple aaa batteries ill bb in a few minutes | 11:46 |
| onefang | Hours of support gnarface, you are a hero. | 12:05 |
| Necrodiver | ikr thanks dude | 12:09 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: i think you accidentally sent me the wrong part, that was just some preamble about not reporting bugs unless you have the latest version | 12:15 |
| Necrodiver | really? | 12:17 |
| Necrodiver | i copy/pasted almost the entire thing | 12:17 |
| Necrodiver | i used gnome-system-log | 12:17 |
| gnarface | maybe it didn't all come through because of rate limiting? leave the client connected for a couple minutes after the paste | 12:17 |
| Necrodiver | i added a paste from paste debian at the bottom just in case | 12:19 |
| gnarface | it only made it as far as this: [ 16.808] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so | 12:23 |
| gnarface | that's further but i still see a client disconnect after that line | 12:23 |
| gnarface | Necrodiver: ^ | 12:24 |
| Necrodiver | i sent the link again | 12:25 |
| gnarface | alright, i got that | 12:25 |
| Necrodiver | okay | 12:25 |
| gnarface | alright, yea i see, that's strange | 12:26 |
| Necrodiver | whats the weird part? | 12:27 |
| Necrodiver | the nvidia driver coming before nouveau? | 12:27 |
| gnarface | it actually loads the nouveau driver along with several others even though we blacklisted it, then unloads it after loading the nvidia driver | 12:27 |
| gnarface | i recall that behavior has caused me problems before, but if you specify the nvidia driver in a xorg.conf it should stop that | 12:28 |
| Necrodiver | oh | 12:28 |
| Necrodiver | would that maybe solve the problem? | 12:28 |
| gnarface | if you check "man nvidia" it should give you a good documentation on how to make a proper nvidia device section | 12:28 |
| Necrodiver | says no manual | 12:29 |
| Necrodiver | wonder what package im missing lol | 12:29 |
| gnarface | hmm, well i don't know if it'll solve your problem, especially noting the ABI warning, but it won't hurt to try and and it has solved problems for me in the past | 12:29 |
| gnarface | i do specifically remember separate problems from both that ABI warning and this batch driver loading behavior, but with the current hardware and this build of xorg you're not getting away from the ABI error | 12:30 |
| Necrodiver | lame | 12:31 |
| brocashelm | i would say have a look around this article for ideas: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nvidia#Xorg_configuration | 12:31 |
| brocashelm | just catching up to all this | 12:31 |
| gnarface | however we blacklisted nouveau for a reason so it's really bad behavior for it to be trying to load it anyway, along with a nonexistent nv driver that's been deprecated for like 2 decades | 12:31 |
| brocashelm | shows an example on creating your sample xorg conf for the nvidia gpu | 12:31 |
| gnarface | i could have sworn there was a man page | 12:31 |
| gnarface | but yea all you need is this one part under "2.3.1 Minimal configuration" | 12:32 |
| brocashelm | yup | 12:32 |
| brocashelm | the 20-nvidia.conf file | 12:32 |
| Necrodiver | when linus torvalds said "Nvidia, FUCK YOU" i now understand 1st hand why he hates nvidia | 12:34 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 12:34 |
| gnarface | well, if you can't find the man page you can still get the README.txt from /usr/share/doc/ somewhere | 12:34 |
| gnarface | probably in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-driver/ but not sure | 12:34 |
| gnarface | it has a lot of useful information unrelated to this | 12:35 |
| Necrodiver | im thinking of trying to find a radeon just so i dont have to deal with this anymore | 12:37 |
| Necrodiver | i found a 5870 but its huge | 12:38 |
| brocashelm | my rx 550/560s are great for low-budget gaming | 12:38 |
| brocashelm | and they're compact | 12:38 |
| Necrodiver | but are they compatible with a core 2 quad? | 12:39 |
| Necrodiver | i only thought they were compatible with like 2nd gen intels | 12:39 |
| brocashelm | they should be, iirc | 12:39 |
| brocashelm | i had an rx 560d and i remember using it on an lga 755 system | 12:40 |
| Necrodiver | im reading that a 550 will bottleneck on a 9300 | 12:40 |
| Necrodiver | thanks for all the help gnarface, ill look into the readme.txt, ill have to make some time this weekend to do it | 13:24 |
| joerg | hmm, individual head-hunter-email offering remote | 17:01 |
| joerg | tempting | 17:04 |
| joerg | ETAB sorry | 17:05 |
| bgstack15 | After this month's package updates, my fonts are all vertically elongated a little, which takes up more space per line. My DPI has not changed; what is there I can investigate/fix to get my small, slightly-more-square-shaped letters? | 23:33 |
| bgstack15 | I use fluxbox window manager, and my fluxbox configs have not changed. | 23:37 |
| bgstack15 | sans-8 is just... taller... than it used to be. | 23:37 |
| bgstack15 | Monospace Regular 10 is taller than it it was. | 23:39 |
| brocashelm | bgstack15: i noticed that with the fontconfig updates last week or so | 23:42 |
| bgstack15 | I even reverted all *font* package names that were updated to the previous month's versions (using snapshot.debian.org) and that didn't make a difference... | 23:42 |
| joerg | >>My DPI has not changed...<< only other legitimate thing that could have changed then is the "I" itself, read the dimensions of your display as seen by the display definition? | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | i switched to andale mono regular and the fonts looked ok-ish again | 23:42 |
| brocashelm | huh, really? | 23:43 |
| joerg | I _think_ the PT of fonts is an absolute size on display, how many pixel height you need for the font is determined by height in inches and DPI vertical resolution | 23:45 |
| joerg | height in inches, of display, that is | 23:45 |
| joerg | nevermind, I'm just guessing | 23:46 |
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