| fatal | does anyone know where dmenu went in i3? | 07:25 |
|---|---|---|
| fatal | nvm, it comes with the package suckless-tools. | 07:29 |
| FatPhil | I normally just do this and hope that the binary's mentioned by name: apt-cache search dmenu | 08:40 |
| Necrodiver | quick question for someone still using lxde | 09:40 |
| Necrodiver | i was thinking of trying it, but in ceres it brings up a grave bug report | 09:40 |
| Necrodiver | b1 - #855521 - lxpanel: freezes all the desktop environment if started or lauch no matter desktop are used | 09:40 |
| gnarface | heh, sounds like it's a bad day to try it | 09:40 |
| Necrodiver | i looked at the bug report and 1. the report is from 2017, and 2. it was using i386 architecture. I'm on a 64bit system | 09:41 |
| gnarface | might not matter then | 09:41 |
| Necrodiver | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855521 | 09:41 |
| Necrodiver | i was wondering if you had any trouble with this at all | 09:41 |
| onefang | I've been using LXDE and lxpanel for a long time en AMD64, with no issues. Though I'm not using ceres. | 09:43 |
| gnarface | i haven't used lxde myself, but all my remaining i386 systems run headless | 09:43 |
| gnarface | i just assumed it was a normal transient ceres issue, but 2017 does sound like a long time ago now | 09:43 |
| Necrodiver | i mean that package, if its THAT old, probably could be installed through stable | 09:44 |
| Necrodiver | which might bring up the same warning, but i dunno | 09:44 |
| onefang | Chimeara / stable is what I'm using. | 09:44 |
| Necrodiver | is the version of the lxpanel you have the same as the bug report? | 09:45 |
| Necrodiver | well shit | 09:45 |
| Necrodiver | wait a minute | 09:45 |
| Necrodiver | the version that the bug report is talking about is o.7 | 09:45 |
| Necrodiver | 0.7 | 09:45 |
| Necrodiver | the version im trying to install is 0.10.2 | 09:46 |
| onefang | Me and stable are 0.10.1-2 | 09:46 |
| Necrodiver | yeah | 09:46 |
| onefang | Even oldoldstable is 0.9.3-1. | 09:46 |
| Necrodiver | so it shouldnt evne be a problem | 09:46 |
| Necrodiver | i wonder why that bug report stayed up there so long without being closed | 09:47 |
| Necrodiver | considering if it DID happen, by 0.9 it should be fixed | 09:47 |
| onefang | That's one thing I hate about the bug reports from apt, it tells you the version number the bug was solved in, but long after you saw what version you are about to get instaled. | 09:47 |
| gnarface | it's a good question | 09:47 |
| Necrodiver | i mean i know debian is slow, but not THAT slow | 09:48 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 09:48 |
| Necrodiver | okay thanks guys, im gonna log into lxde now and see how it is | 09:50 |
| Necrodiver | okay im in lxde | 09:53 |
| Necrodiver | wow this is minimal af | 09:54 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 09:54 |
| Necrodiver | how do i set keyboard shortcuts? | 09:54 |
| brocashelm | lxhotkey | 09:55 |
| Necrodiver | ty | 09:57 |
| onefang | Minimal af is what I want. So much so that I'm thinking of dropping the LXDE desktop environment and just keeping the openbox window manager it uses. Oh and keeping lxpanel. | 09:58 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 09:58 |
| Necrodiver | i just want a replacement for xfce | 09:58 |
| gnarface | you should try enlightenment | 09:58 |
| onefang | I used to be a developer for Enlightenment. | 09:59 |
| Necrodiver | whats enlightenment? | 09:59 |
| onefang | Things went downhill when Samsung basically took it over. | 09:59 |
| Necrodiver | ouch | 09:59 |
| gnarface | e16 might still be in the repos somewhere | 09:59 |
| Necrodiver | well that figures | 09:59 |
| gnarface | e16 is the pre-samsung version | 10:00 |
| gnarface | the latest few versions haven't been so bad | 10:00 |
| Necrodiver | hmmm | 10:01 |
| Necrodiver | im trying to reset my hotkeys | 10:01 |
| Necrodiver | i guess firefox-esr isnt the right command from the binary | 10:01 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 10:01 |
| Necrodiver | oh nm | 10:02 |
| Necrodiver | i had to save changes | 10:02 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 10:02 |
| onefang | Actually I keep my hotkeys in .config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml plus other configuration. | 10:04 |
| onefang | One of the reasons why I'm considering dropping the DE part, think I'm really only using the WM part. | 10:05 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 10:05 |
| brocashelm | onefang: maybe try jwm? | 10:05 |
| Necrodiver | i installed lxhotkey and the openbox plugin | 10:05 |
| Necrodiver | working out pretty good now | 10:06 |
| onefang | Not familiar with jwm. AwesomeWM has my interest though, coz it h as lots of Lua and I love Lua. | 10:06 |
| brocashelm | although i think you're supposed to install the jwmkit iso itself to get those customizations as shown in the screenshots; the packages themselves are generic | 10:06 |
| brocashelm | it has a devuan respin. worth a shot: https://sourceforge.net/projects/jwmkit/ | 10:07 |
| Necrodiver | im so digging this | 10:09 |
| onefang | "JWM is written in C and uses only Xlib and (optionally) the shape extension and libXpm." yet it has 14 libraries as dependencies. Also much prefer Lua for config over XML. | 10:09 |
| Necrodiver | lxde is sexy | 10:09 |
| Necrodiver | now to find that dark theme i like so much | 10:10 |
| Helenah | Does anyone want an yggdrasil OpenRC script for Devuan? Just helping the community, ya know? https://ctrl-c.club/~helenah/handmade/scripts/yggdrasil | 11:23 |
| bb|hcb | i have no idea what is yggdrasil but your url is 404 :) | 11:27 |
| Helenah | o.O | 11:31 |
| Helenah | https://ctrl-c.club/~helenah/handmade/scripts/openrc/yggdrasil | 11:32 |
| brocashelm | making runit and openrc depend less on sysvinit, a step in the right direction | 11:59 |
| FatPhil | yggdrasil was a distro in the 90s, IIRC. I think I have a CDROM with it on in deep storage. | 12:38 |
| onefang | Also a mythological world tree. | 12:39 |
| FatPhil | indeed | 12:39 |
| onefang | Also - "Fully encrypted global-scale mesh network (program)" | 12:40 |
| Helenah | Yeah that | 12:40 |
| onefang | I was about to say that's the one Helenah was likely talking about. | 12:40 |
| Helenah | Anyway it's an help in hand for the community if anyone wants it. :3 | 12:41 |
| onefang | Thanks for that Helenah, even if I don't use it. | 12:47 |
| Helenah | Sure, no problem. | 12:48 |
| onefang | Maybe drop a linky in the mailing list and forum? | 12:48 |
| gnarface | please do put it on the forum at least | 13:40 |
| buZz | oh just a tunnel network | 13:51 |
| buZz | i expected a real mesh :) | 13:51 |
| buZz | like https://github.com/meshtastic/ | 13:51 |
| Walex | just use IPSEC with end-to-end encryoption with strongSwan and SSH keys. Very easy. | 15:57 |
| Walex | then you no longer need tunnels or other silly things. | 15:58 |
| DonkeyHotei | IPSEC has a much more embarrassing history of vulnerabilities than most tunnels | 15:59 |
| Walex | DonkeyHotei: that's hard to believe -- but some IPSEC key negotiators may have been in the distant past a bit buggier. | 16:00 |
| Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-two.html?141211#141211 | 16:00 |
| Walex | DonkeyHotei: anyhow most tunnels are based on IPSEC just between two routers. | 16:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | IDK, maybe my memory is just longer than most | 16:01 |
| DonkeyHotei | And no, things like wireguard have a separate history from IPSEC | 16:01 |
| Walex | BTW to do IPSEC efficiently it is very important to enable AESNI encryption for AES+GCM in the kernel, which is a bit awkward, but should be done as a matter of course. | 16:03 |
| DonkeyHotei | And AES-NI has not been immune to its own facepalms, too | 16:04 |
| Helenah | DonkeyHotei: Long time, no chat! :D | 18:45 |
| Helenah | DonkeyHotei: Hey, lets talk in #devuan-offtopic :3 | 18:45 |
| DonkeyHotei | I'm not in there. I had #debianfork on my autojoin instead, but still on freenode rather than here | 18:46 |
| Helenah | DonkeyHotei: May I PM? | 18:46 |
| DonkeyHotei | I have not been on IRC at all in 16 months and joined last night only to ask a technical question, still unanswered | 18:46 |
| Helenah | Ah. | 18:47 |
| DonkeyHotei | And yes | 18:47 |
| ___used | picked this up in a forum today ... "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY user____ J09_Okl1fbz9 | 19:10 |
| ___used | aargh | 19:10 |
| DonkeyHotei | Odd thing to find in a forum… | 19:12 |
| ___used | yes. I need a tool to show what's in the clipboard top when pasting | 19:14 |
| DonkeyHotei | KDE had Klipper, but I haven't preferred KDE since 2.0, which was a couple of decades ago | 19:15 |
| ___used | re. What I actually found: "Yes, I'm aware there are actively maintained forks of python2" | 19:15 |
| ___used | This would be relevant to wicd and other things. Anything related to this elusive py2 fork in devuan? | 19:16 |
| ___used | Speaking of exploits: if running clamav, take care: https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/cisco_clamav_critical_flaw/ | 19:20 |
| ___used | CVE-2023-20032 | 19:20 |
| ___used | clamav 103.7 is in beowulf | 19:20 |
| golinux | And your problem with Devuan is . . .??? | 19:20 |
| golinux | This is a support channel | 19:20 |
| ___used | py2 support for wicd in devuan | 19:21 |
| ___used | since wicd was not yt ported to py3 | 19:21 |
| golinux | Might be better on #devuan-dev | 19:21 |
| ___used | clamav 103.7 is a current package in devuan beowulf and affected by the cve | 19:21 |
| ___used | re: klipper: I'm on xfce4 and it has Clipper but I need something which shows current clipboard "top" selection on hover. Perhaps on hover over the Clipman icon in the task bar. Is there such a thing in any devuan package? Show current clipboard selection in hover or other clickless ui operation? | 19:35 |
| bb|hcb | ___used: It is much less effort to rewrite wicd in python3, imho. I do not use wicd, so don't count me in this... | 19:56 |
| ___used | bb|hcb: afaik there is a port under way, but there are dependencies which stalled the project. | 19:57 |
| bb|hcb | https://git.devuan.org/gryrmln/wicd - this one? Last commit is 1y old | 20:00 |
| bb|hcb | I don't think there are deps, the only build-dep was python-babel, which is now python3-babel | 20:03 |
| ___used | Ah. I may have missed this, still on beowulf and py2 wicd here | 20:04 |
| bb|hcb | I mean there are deps, but at a quick glance they do not seem to be problematic. I may be wrong, ofc | 20:06 |
| ___used | Is there a wicd package in chimera now? | 20:08 |
| bb|hcb | There is a transitional one that depends on network-manager-gnome | network-manager | connman-gtk | cmst | connman-ui | 20:16 |
| brocashelm | anyone having problems with youtube-dl or yt-dlp as of yesterday? "failed to extract data" from youtube videos (only). just notified the maintainer of yt-dlp to update it, but you can also download the binary from upstream and use sudo yt-dlp -U to update it | 20:18 |
| brocashelm | https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/latest/download/yt-dlp | 20:20 |
| ___used | Where is the list of not-in-devuan debian packages for sid?/chimaera ? | 20:20 |
| brocashelm | that could be placed in /usr/local/bin | 20:20 |
| brocashelm | and then you can try sudo yt-dlp -U | 20:20 |
| ___used | Ah, chimaera is bullseye. | 20:20 |
| brocashelm | do you mean the banned packages? | 20:20 |
| ___used | yes | 20:21 |
| brocashelm | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 20:21 |
| ___used | linuxcnc.org claims package linuxcnc is in sid as of Spring 2022 but there is nothing for Ceres at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=linuxcnc&x=submit | 20:22 |
| brocashelm | if it's not in sid, then it's not in ceres | 20:22 |
| onefang | Spring on which side of the planet? | 20:23 |
| ___used | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linuxcnc-uspace | 20:23 |
| brocashelm | i can see it on my end (i use ceres btw) if i do apt search linuxcnc | 20:23 |
| brocashelm | even linuxcnc-uspace | 20:23 |
| ___used | Ah so it's just the devuan online package search which fails to find it. Thanks bb|hcb . | 20:24 |
| ___used | Initial info from http://linuxcnc.org/2022/03/03/LinuxCNC-in-Debian/ which also mentions a rt enabled kernel for sid. | 20:25 |
| ___used | Err thanks brocashelm too | 20:27 |
| Helenah | I want to purge cron from my system but it insists on installing anacron which I also do not want, I've compiled a replacement solution. | 20:36 |
| rwp | ___used, Perhaps identify using certificates instead of passwords? I use it. FTW! https://libera.chat/guides/certfp | 20:39 |
| rwp | After all of the talk of python2 being gone in Chimaera I was rather surprised to find /usr/bin/python2.7 from python2.7-minimal still exists. Could it be used for wicd? | 20:41 |
| Helenah | Am I going to have to physically rip cron out of this system and dump this other cron into it despite how hacky and messy that sounds? | 20:43 |
| rwp | Helenah, Are you wanting anacron gone to use cron normally? Or do you want both cron and anacron gone? | 20:49 |
| rwp | I do not want anacron active on certain of my machines. Because of dependencies it is troublesome to remove and I did not want to create an equiv package to fulfill dependencies. | 20:49 |
| Helenah | rwp: I wan't both gone. | 20:50 |
| rwp | So I did this to divert anacron's main executable out of the way: dpkg-divert --divert /usr/sbin/anacron.disabled --rename /usr/sbin/anacron | 20:50 |
| rwp | I think removing both is a little harsh but ykinmkbykiok so perhaps divert both programs? | 20:51 |
| rwp | I know diverting anacron has no problem. Everything is set up to only use anacron optionally if it exists and not if it does not. | 20:51 |
| Helenah | I have a drop-in replacement but I can't do it if the system insists that I have one or the other out of its repos. | 20:51 |
| rwp | For cron I think diverting it out of the way and disabling the init script should be sufficient. That's what I would do though. | 20:52 |
| rwp | The advantage of a diversion is that everything behaves as expected on upgrades. On upgrades dpkg respects the diversion. | 20:53 |
| rwp | And they are easily listed and removed at any future time that it is desired and no lingering problems with the system. | 20:54 |
| rwp | But without looking I had thought that packages requiring cron already allowed for different crons to fulfill the dependency. No? | 20:55 |
| rwp | What's an example problem package that has a dependency that I could look at? | 20:55 |
| bb|hcb | Helenah: You need to build a deb and add Provides: <whatever cron provides> | 20:55 |
| Helenah | Well @reboot seems bugged and I even read that on Debian and Ubuntu forums so assumed Devuan was also affected so I wanted to cry and compile it to see if such clears up. | 20:58 |
| rwp | I use cron with @reboot and it works for me. What's wrong with it? | 20:59 |
| Helenah | Well sets say I did "@reboot /home/foo/startup" and "chmod +x startup" and I add something in startup for example "echo 'test' > /home/foo/test" then reboot the system, it doesn't seem to have echo'd into the test file. | 21:00 |
| rwp | Is /home on a separate partition? It might not have been mounted at that early stage in the boot. | 21:01 |
| rwp | I always use /var/tmp/something as the target for such things myself. | 21:01 |
| Helenah | rwp: Same partition as root directory. | 21:02 |
| Helenah | / | 21:02 |
| ___used | Is /home/foo/startup executable and has a #!/bin/bash start line? | 21:05 |
| rwp | I tested this feature just now using "@reboot date -R > /var/tmp/cron.reboot.out" rebooted and the file appeared with the date in it. | 21:05 |
| ___used | crond needs to be enabled to run that though. | 21:06 |
| Helenah | Sorted thanks | 21:08 |
| rwp | Enabled? Are you talking about /etc/cron.allow and /etc/cron.deny? Those won't exist by default. Only if a local admin creates them. | 21:08 |
| ___used | service enabled | 21:09 |
| ___used | Helenah: what did it? | 21:09 |
| rwp | cron is service enabled by default. [ This is Devuan not systemd. :-) ] | 21:09 |
| ___used | Depends on what Helenah did to get rid of it just before. | 21:10 |
| Helenah | I'm not sure, I must've made my mistake in my test, I copied what what rwp did and it worked so now until what I actually want to do with this and thank you. | 21:11 |
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