| ted-ious | Packages that don't have anything to do with systemd get their updates directly from debian correct? | 07:19 |
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| brocashelm | ted-ious: they are merged with devuan if not systemd-related | 07:28 |
| brocashelm | amprolla is used to make this work | 07:29 |
| brocashelm | more info: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3192 | 07:29 |
| ted-ious | Ok that's what I thought thanks. | 07:36 |
| ted-ious | So I guess we won't be getting updates for the youtube downloaders very soon. | 07:36 |
| ted-ious | Maybe I can pin them from the testing repository | 07:36 |
| brocashelm | ted-ious: that or you could download the official binary to your /usr/local/bin and run sudo yt-dlp -U to check upstream | 07:41 |
| brocashelm | https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/latest/download/yt-dlp | 07:42 |
| ted-ious | I think I'd rather keep my system clean and not make any messes with stuff that's not part of the package manager. | 07:51 |
| ted-ious | It's not a problem I can't work around or wait it out. | 07:52 |
| ted-ious | But thanks for the support. :) | 07:52 |
| bb|hcb | ted-ious: There is always the option to backport it yourself. Then if a new version comes, it will get upgraded without problem | 08:03 |
| JackFrost | If Devuan merges bullseye-backports, yt-dlp is there too. | 08:12 |
| bb|hcb | It does, the name is chimaera-backports | 08:26 |
| bb|hcb | And there is one trick to this - if your URL ends in /merged, you will get both Debian+Devuan backports. If you replace merged with devuan, then you are getting only the Devuan backports | 08:27 |
| FatPhil | ted-ious: I'd add another vote for just using an out-of-tree yt-dlp. It's pretty much the only package that I run out of tree. | 09:10 |
| FatPhil | when youtube fucked up the id thing a few days ago, which broke almost every video, I did fall back onto using JWZ's youtubedown, which seemed to be working pretty well still. | 09:12 |
| Necrodiver | oh gnarface, onefang, i switched over to lxde and im digging it so much. Im using tde right now but i really like lxde now with refracta. | 12:52 |
| fifihyperbola | lxde is nice | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | ? | 13:50 |
| fsmithred | Necrodiver, please tell me more about lxde with refracta. | 13:50 |
| Necrodiver | Its gtk2, so outside of having some gtk3 stuff that are dependencies on some other packages, its super lightweight | 13:52 |
| Necrodiver | i think i dropped like 50-100mb of ram on idle compared to xfce | 13:53 |
| Necrodiver | i like the fact that it wont be affected by all the wayland crap coming down the pipeline | 13:54 |
| Necrodiver | i mean you could say the same for tde, but the athstetic and the fact that if you use some gnome themes like I do for icons and colors, you can use them as is | 13:54 |
| onefang | That's using the default OpenBox window manager with the LXDE desktop environment? | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | yeah i believe so, since i have openbox installed already, and using the default FM as well | 13:55 |
| fsmithred | I'm confused about the reference to refracta. Do you mean the snapshot and installer tools, or do you mean the Refracta GNU/Linux? | 13:56 |
| Necrodiver | my base install was always refracta | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | with xfce? | 13:56 |
| Necrodiver | i just installed lxde and deleted xfce | 13:56 |
| Necrodiver | yeah | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. I ask because I do have some builds with openbox, lxpanel and lxterminal, but not the whole lxde. | 13:57 |
| Necrodiver | ah | 13:57 |
| fsmithred | one of those has backports kernel, another is without dbus. | 13:58 |
| Necrodiver | i just installed the minimal required, like lxpanel, lxterminal, then whatever else i needed for settings like the lxde appearance package. I didnt do the full lxde install, trying to keep it simple | 13:58 |
| Necrodiver | but like i mentioned, tonight im on tde | 13:59 |
| Necrodiver | just because i felt like using it | 13:59 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:59 |
| Necrodiver | i think if youre worried about the wayland stuff coming before too long, lxde MIGHT be a good alternative | 14:01 |
| Necrodiver | to xfce | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, xfce's days may be numbered. We shall see. Anyway, we are straying way off topic. | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | and I need to go. Thanks. bbl. | 14:02 |
| Necrodiver | seeya. i have to go to bed myself ttyl | 14:02 |
| systemdlete | My Microsoft VX800 webcam used to work on devuan (don't recall which release though, sorry), but now only the video works. I cannot seem to get the audio working. | 21:42 |
| systemdlete | I am using a few tools to test it, including onlinemictest.com. I am running firefox-esr under apulse (pulseaudio is not installed on my systems). I "ALLOW" the microphone in firefox, but still no audio input. It could be I killed the microphone one day by accident--I dropped the thing about 9-12 inches, which may have been enough to damage | 21:45 |
| systemdlete | it, idk. | 21:45 |
| gnarface | no, it's probably that apulse still doesn't support any recording features... | 21:46 |
| gnarface | if he comes back, someone tell him to test with arecord first | 21:46 |
| onefang | [06:46:27] <gnarface> no, it's probably that apulse still doesn't support any recording features... | 21:50 |
| onefang | [06:46:38] <gnarface> if he comes back, someone tell him to test with arecord first | 21:50 |
| systemdlete | The VX800 is a USB device. I also have a plain microphone that plugs into a sound port on the mainboard. | 21:50 |
| systemdlete | I can't get it to work either. | 21:51 |
| gnarface | you checked the settings in alsamixer? | 21:51 |
| systemdlete | yes. It looks like the inputs are enabled | 21:51 |
| gnarface | any custom alsa config? | 21:52 |
| systemdlete | hmmm. I tried this on a couple of systems... maybe. | 21:52 |
| gnarface | make sure with alsamixer you're checking the right device | 21:52 |
| systemdlete | ah | 21:52 |
| systemdlete | thanks | 21:52 |
| gnarface | alsamixer -c X | 21:52 |
| gnarface | where X is the card number | 21:52 |
| gnarface | (starting at 0) | 21:53 |
| gnarface | usb devices may change order on hotplug of course | 21:53 |
| systemdlete | alsamixer shows 2 devices, SB and HDMI. I do not have HDMI hooked up to anything, so it must be the SB | 21:53 |
| gnarface | SB sounds like an onboard device | 21:54 |
| systemdlete | gnarface, atm I have been testing the regular mic, not the usb device | 21:54 |
| gnarface | maybe you're not loading the right module | 21:54 |
| systemdlete | yes, it is onboard | 21:54 |
| gnarface | oh | 21:54 |
| gnarface | just remember the usb device would show up as its own separate card, and it probably won't persist volume settings through hotplug | 21:55 |
| gnarface | which is what i was hoping the problem would turn out to be | 21:55 |
| systemdlete | Thing about this all is that the VX800 used to work on linux, but the last time it did work was about 2 or 3 years ago. | 21:55 |
| systemdlete | I can try the VX800 again | 21:56 |
| onefang | My graphics card has six HDMI audio devices, but only two HDMI outputs, and two Display Port. Only one of each is actually being used. | 21:56 |
| systemdlete | This board only has 3 audio inputs. Which is fine for this test. | 21:57 |
| gnarface | well, either device, to test the mic, start with something like: arecord |aplay -V | 21:57 |
| systemdlete | gnarface, ok | 21:57 |
| gnarface | if that doesn't work it's probably a kernel regression | 21:58 |
| systemdlete | nada | 21:58 |
| systemdlete | (arecord | aplay -V mono | 21:58 |
| gnarface | no errors? | 21:58 |
| systemdlete | no | 21:58 |
| gnarface | but no sound either | 21:58 |
| systemdlete | crickets. No, not even crickets. | 21:59 |
| gnarface | hmm | 21:59 |
| onefang | Try a live disk of the old Devuan it used to work under? | 21:59 |
| gnarface | you sure you just didn't forget to hit spacebar to select a input or something in alsamixer? | 21:59 |
| gnarface | yea, if you're sure it's not the alsamixer settings i'd start trying other kernels | 22:00 |
| systemdlete | All the indicators are Green "00" | 22:00 |
| gnarface | on some devices you may have to hit spacebar to select a capture channel or such | 22:00 |
| systemdlete | I don't remember how/where it did work... but I have a beowulf and I think an Ascii VM around here... | 22:00 |
| onefang | Japa, an audio meter, might be helpful. If the signal is getting in, but not out. | 22:01 |
| gnarface | here, sanity check real quick - you go into alsamixer, you hit TAB once to go to the Capture panel, do you see something like Capture Capture 1 Capture 2 Input Source Input Source 1 Input Source 2.... ? | 22:01 |
| gnarface | if so, make sure one of the Capture channels is actually selected ("CAPTURE" will appear in bold red under it) | 22:03 |
| systemdlete | yes, I checked all that. | 22:03 |
| gnarface | yea try the old kernel then | 22:03 |
| systemdlete | "CAPTURE" is in red (there is also a "CAPTURE1") | 22:03 |
| systemdlete | booting up beowulf | 22:05 |
| systemdlete | I have to do a few things to get beowulf running again, like fsck and some other housekeeping. The VM has accumulated some dust in the months it has sat dormant... | 22:09 |
| onefang | Bit rot dust bunnies! | 22:09 |
| systemdlete | <cough> <cough> | 22:15 |
| systemdlete | I cannot get it to work under beowulf either... | 22:15 |
| systemdlete | otoh, the host is running chimaera kernel | 22:15 |
| systemdlete | I wonder if the host is running the earlier kernel, maybe it would work there. But I'd have to reboot into beowulf... if I still have that on the host, idk. | 22:16 |
| systemdlete | looks like I don't. | 22:16 |
| systemdlete | I guess I could install an earlier kernel, if one is available in the beowulf repos | 22:17 |
| systemdlete | btw, gnarface, this is a test box. So we can play all day. | 22:17 |
| systemdlete | I could also boot a live beowulf on this box. | 22:19 |
| onefang | That's what I suggested. B-) | 22:20 |
| systemdlete | This will take some time... which is why I didn't take that suggestion up immediately. | 22:29 |
| systemdlete | I always try the easiest stuff first | 22:29 |
| systemdlete | I will need to reboot after finding a beowulf USB drive, or copy one | 22:29 |
| systemdlete | bbs | 22:29 |
| AnyCreature | How to install the trinity desktop? | 22:31 |
| fsmithred | AnyCreature, there are instructions for devuan on the trinity website | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation#Installing_from_a_Package_Manager | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | or you could use exegnu-linux | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | which is devuan with TDE | 22:35 |
| AnyCreature | Can I use trinity with devuan unstable? | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | you might need to find their testing branch | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | or install from source | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna say that it's possible, because I know the guy who makes exegnu runs unstable (ceres) on his own box. | 22:40 |
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