| gnarface | spac3r_: alright, looks like you're gonna have to add non-free to your sources.list | 00:04 |
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| spac3r_ | ok, added non-free and also contrib as per https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65794171/how-to-append-a-non-free-component-to-etc-apt-sources-list-steam-install | 00:05 |
| spac3r_ | updating now | 00:05 |
| fifihyperbola | gnarface xD | 00:05 |
| gnarface | spac3r_: you're gonna need to install nvidia-legacy drivers rather than the regular ones. just fyi, i think specifically these ones: apt-cache search nvidia-legacy-340 | 00:14 |
| gnarface | spac3r_: sorry, i mean: apt-cache search ^nvidia-legacy-340 | 00:15 |
| spac3r_ | restarted, Debian 4.19.269-1 (2022-12-20) starts tty1 | 00:19 |
| spac3r_ | apt-cache search ^nvidia-legacy-340 returns 10 or so nvidia-legacy-*. should i install all of them? | 00:20 |
| gnarface | yea, probably | 00:21 |
| spac3r_ | many unmet dependencies and conflicts :| | 00:23 |
| gnarface | what type of conflicts? | 00:23 |
| Xenguy | Hi, had a laptop failure last night, so moved over to an older laptop that was running ASCII (i.e. oldoldstable). Upgraded to Beowulf (i.e. oldstable) this afternoon, and all went well, with a minor exception (and I believe the same thing happened quite some time ago when I did a ASCII->Beowulf upgrade previously on another laptop). Now when I run 'apt-get update', I get the following output: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d0a95928/ | 00:24 |
| Xenguy | ^^ If I try to manually install those 2 packages referenced in the pastebin, it fails due to unmet dependencies, both of which seem to reference things systemd'ish | 00:26 |
| spac3r_ | ah, something installed. Red screen, menu Configuring libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:amd64 | 00:27 |
| spac3r_ | Conflicting nouveau kernel module loaded. Fix this reboot after installation finishes | 00:27 |
| Xenguy | It seems to me I can live with these 2 errant packages, but just curious if there's a clever way to clean up the errors? | 00:27 |
| gnarface | spac3r_: you'll have to blacklist nouveau | 00:30 |
| spac3r_ | xfce4 starts! in low res and freezes, rebooting | 00:32 |
| spac3r_ | Yay xfce4 back as it was, thanks for guiding me through gnarface | 00:35 |
| gnarface | no problem | 00:36 |
| spac3r_ | Just a flickr in the screen, it had that before | 00:36 |
| gnarface | there might be a fix for the flickering but i don't know it | 00:38 |
| spac3r_ | desktop is stable. Opening a window trigger flashing lines in the bottom of the screen | 00:38 |
| spac3r_ | to blacklist nouveau, are these the steps, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-blacklist-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux | 00:39 |
| Xenguy | gnarface: Does my longshot issue above ring any bells at all? | 02:02 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: not sure, maybe something about a version string issue | 02:09 |
| gnarface | i assume you didn't mix distros, which is usually what causes this type of thing | 02:09 |
| gnarface | ask fsmithred about it | 02:09 |
| gnarface | someone around here should remember if this is the same issue | 02:09 |
| Xenguy | No, I avoid that like the plague | 02:09 |
| Xenguy | Thanks gnarface | 02:10 |
| fifi_ | take care gnarface | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, is libpam-elogind installed? That provides libpam-systemd which is a dependency of those libraries. | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: brb | 02:30 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: dpkg -l libpam-elogind gives: rc libpam-elogind:amd64 234.4-2 amd64 elogind PAM module | 02:34 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, I have libpam-elogind 241.4-2 in beowulf. | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | Does it make sense for me to install it then fsmithred ? | 02:40 |
| fsmithred | you have the ascii version. Did you do a dist-upgrade after the upgrade? | 02:41 |
| Xenguy | Yes, I followed the documentation on upgrading ASCII->Beowulf | 02:41 |
| Xenguy | there was an instruction to downgrade something, but I believe it was a different package | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, maybe install some packages with <package>=<version> | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | or possibly try with aptitude and see if it gives you some alternatives | 02:42 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: This is the page of instructions I was following, FWIW: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf | 02:43 |
| Xenguy | I have no experience with aptitude | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | aptitude full-upgrade | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | and then say no to the first thing it says it wants to do | 02:45 |
| Xenguy | OK, will try that | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | and it'll give you another option | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | maybe several if you keep saying no | 02:45 |
| Xenguy | Hilarious, aptitude isn't installed | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: some esoteric output, interesting... I'll pastebin it | 02:48 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4cd8cb21/ | 02:50 |
| Xenguy | Any sense of which direction to take? I could just 'accept this solution', but I'm honestly not sure | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | oh, I guess you have consolekit installed. | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | I would install elogind libpam-elogind libelogind0 | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | and let consolekit and libpam-ck-connector go away | 02:56 |
| Xenguy | Huh, way over my head... | 02:57 |
| fsmithred | replace "I would" with "apt" above. | 02:57 |
| Xenguy | OK, I'll try to apt-get those 3 and see how it goes | 02:57 |
| fsmithred | in the install line | 02:57 |
| Xenguy | Here's the scenario fsmithred : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2af83cbf/ | 03:00 |
| Xenguy | I'm flying blind here, does this look on track or not? | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that looks right | 03:09 |
| fsmithred | you are replacing consolekit with elogind along with their libraries | 03:10 |
| Xenguy | Damn the torpedos then | 03:20 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: After that operation, this appears to be the current state: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7a72bba2/ | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | it looks happy | 03:26 |
| fsmithred | what desktop you running? | 03:27 |
| Xenguy | MATE | 03:28 |
| fsmithred | huh. I was expecting more qt than that. | 03:28 |
| fluffywolf | ... of course the chess player picks MATE. :P | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | lol | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | hahah | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | ok, bed time for me. Look me up tomorrow if it's broken. | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | That association never occurred to me until this moment | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | I just did a final 'apt-get upgrade', and my system now resolves... | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | cool | 03:30 |
| Xenguy | I should update that documentation to reflect your advice | 03:30 |
| Xenguy | I'll look at that tomorrow and will double-check the revisions with you if you're around | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, maybe. I'm not sure why consolekit didn't work out. | 03:31 |
| Xenguy | Thanks so much, you're a wizard | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | oh, check the release notes for beowulf. There's a section about desktops and polkit stuff. | 03:31 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: This is the 2nd time I've seen that happen on an ASCII to Beowulf upgrade, so I think the fix needs to be documented | 03:31 |
| Xenguy | OK, will do (already did to fix broken sound, but I'll read a little closer on the next pass) | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | see which desktops need elogind | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | g'night | 03:32 |
| Xenguy | Alright, a project for tomorrow then | 03:32 |
| Xenguy | Have a good night, pleasant dreams | 03:32 |
| anon | Sound doesn't work. How to fix? | 14:03 |
| clemens3 | anon: alsamixer, F6, is the correct sound card selected.. are all parameters to 100%.. just the beginner checks.. | 15:01 |
| luis__ | Hello, I am in need of some help please | 18:28 |
| jsi | Anhyone here using wayland on devuan? | 18:29 |
| gnarface | luis__: you're gonna have to be more specific | 18:29 |
| gnarface | jsi: i'm not, but if you describe the problem i may still be able to help | 18:30 |
| jsi | Im trying to get the swc / velox ( https://github.com/michaelforney/swc ) WM to work on my devuan, it all starts with the wayland port of st and dmenu, however I cant start any program (tried firefox / netsurf etc) from either dmenu or st | 18:31 |
| luis__ | (Sorry, used to spam-apps like discord) I am trying to create a bootable key by following the official tutorial. Right now I have a Devuan installed with a Unetbootin key, but it's a _desktop one and I now want a _netinstall one. When I use the dd command, it generates a bunch of weird files that cannot be erased anymore (unless I log into windows and format). When using dmesg, I first get device descriptor read/all, error 8, but I can't see | 18:32 |
| luis__ | what's the problem here | 18:32 |
| luis__ | The key is in FAT32 | 18:32 |
| luis__ | I also get the message "Watchdog hardware is disabled" (MB is MSI Tomahawk wifi x570) | 18:33 |
| luis__ | First time using Devuan but not Linux btw | 18:34 |
| gnarface | luis__: which official tutorial? | 18:34 |
| luis__ | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/install-devuan | 18:34 |
| gnarface | jsi: i got nothing. literally no programs start, or is it just X11 programs that don't start? | 18:35 |
| gnarface | jsi: try something simpler that doesn't use audio (a shot in the dark) | 18:35 |
| gnarface | luis__: you hsould be able to erase anything with dd, just fyi. | 18:36 |
| jsi | gnarface: No literally nothing starts | 18:36 |
| gnarface | luis__: note that you should not need unetbootin anymore, and the linked tutorial doesn't mention it either... you should be able to literally just dd the iso over a usb key and boot it. can you show the exact dd command you used? | 18:37 |
| luis__ | that's the problem, dd doesn't do it correctly | 18:37 |
| gnarface | jsi: are you able to get a terminal open even? gonna need to see some errors somehow | 18:37 |
| gnarface | luis__: oh? how so? | 18:38 |
| luis__ | I can't access the files inside, wait a second, I'm gonna repeat the steps again | 18:38 |
| jsi | gnarface: Yes, the terminal is the only thing thats opening, but trying to run anything from there wont even show errors, it just freezes | 18:39 |
| luis__ | After the command I get "ls: cannot access 'Md╛Ñε1f'$'\b''.'$'\t''░─': Input/output error | 18:39 |
| luis__ | ls: reading directory '.': Input/output error | 18:39 |
| luis__ | '«dÜ'$'\002''xpS<.ⁿá'$'\036' 'Md╛Ñε1f'$'\b''.'$'\t''░─' | 18:39 |
| luis__ | '}├.⌐î┼⌐─.╧═&' ''$'\032''╙»α'$'\022''╠╘8.'$'\004''-ì' | 18:39 |
| luis__ | '└<╡'$'\f''ï╟'$'\030''í.15e' | 18:39 |
| luis__ | " | 18:39 |
| gnarface | jsi: freezes? interesting... what video drivers are you using? | 18:39 |
| gnarface | luis__: yikes, never seen that before. you sure this usb key is still good? I/O errors usually mean hardware failure | 18:40 |
| luis__ | probably not... | 18:40 |
| luis__ | low quality usb | 18:40 |
| gnarface | luis__: show the exact dd command | 18:40 |
| luis__ | sudo dd if=devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso of=/dev/sde1 && sync | 18:41 |
| luis__ | also tried with bs=1M | 18:41 |
| gnarface | luis__: no, you shouldn't need to set bs to anything, don't do it. however just fyi /dev/sde1 is wrong, you probably meant /dev/sde | 18:41 |
| luis__ | The key is mounted at sde1, but I'll try sde | 18:41 |
| gnarface | luis__: /dev/sde1 is the first partition of /dev/sde, which isn't what you want. make sure /dev/sde is actually where the key is, and DO NOT MOUNT IT while running dd | 18:42 |
| jsi | gnarface: I am on a thinkpad w540, so it is booth using an Nvidia quadro k2100M and intel i7-4800MQ iGPU | 18:42 |
| gnarface | jsi: there's some issues with optimus hardware like that, could be related, not sure. | 18:42 |
| gnarface | some problem with getting it to switch video cards when appropriate | 18:42 |
| gnarface | do you have nvidia's official drivers installed? | 18:43 |
| jsi | I don't, just noveau | 18:44 |
| gnarface | might also be related | 18:44 |
| gnarface | jsi: ^ | 18:44 |
| luis__ | arf, dd command is taking long, meanwhile maybe we can debug why my graphics driver is still the non-proprietary one | 18:44 |
| luis__ | Graphics: | 18:46 |
| jsi | WIll see if I find anything | 18:46 |
| luis__ | Device-1: AMD Navi 23 vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: N/A bus ID: 2f:00.0 | 18:46 |
| luis__ | chip ID: 1002:73ff class ID: 0300 | 18:46 |
| luis__ | Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: ati,vesa | 18:46 |
| luis__ | unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon resolution: 1024x768~76Hz s-dpi: 96 | 18:46 |
| luis__ | OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 | 18:46 |
| luis__ | compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes | 18:46 |
| luis__ | inxi returns this | 18:46 |
| luis__ | I already installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon but I can't switch to it | 18:47 |
| gnarface | jsi: look into bumblebee, (for nvidia official drivers) though it's deprecated, and for nouvueau/intel look into the "DRI_PRIME" environment variable. sorry i'm vague on what to actually do here but those search terms might lead you to a working, if deprecated solution | 18:49 |
| gnarface | luis__: i'm not sure which one the Navi 23 is, but if it's new enough to use the amdgpu driver instead of radeon (there are some that can use both) then you also want the firmware-amd-graphics package from non-free | 18:50 |
| luis__ | I already installed that firmware as well | 18:51 |
| gnarface | luis__: check that the harddware is supported by amdgpu, then you might need to make an xorg.conf snippet to call it implictly. check the Xorg log to be sure that's what's going wrong | 18:51 |
| luis__ | It worked under Linux Mint so it should be supported, I'll double check that | 18:52 |
| luis__ | oh seems like the version in Devuan isn't recent enough, kinda weird | 18:53 |
| gnarface | luis__: you might need the backports kernel and firmware | 18:53 |
| luis__ | what's that | 18:53 |
| gnarface | luis__: chimaera-backports has updated versions of some stuff. make sure your user is also in the "video" group | 18:54 |
| luis__ | sorry, you're going too fast for my level | 18:54 |
| gnarface | luis__: ok then, first, required reading: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ | 18:54 |
| gnarface | luis__: second, note that's debian's backports info. devuan's backports work the same but the actual sources.list entries you want are listed here: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 18:55 |
| gnarface | luis__: (basically you use "http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports" instead of "http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports") | 18:57 |
| gnarface | luis__: neither the version issue or the video group issue would have been relevant to mint | 18:58 |
| gnarface | luis__: so either of those could still be a problem | 18:58 |
| luis__ | thank you, I'll look into all of that | 18:58 |
| luis__ | If I understand correctly, xserver-xorg-video-amgpu is the opensource driver? How do I install the proprietary one? | 18:59 |
| gnarface | luis__: are you sure you actually want the proprietary one? amdgpu-pro only actually works with a couple kernel versions, and none of them are actually native debian/devuan kernels. you'd have to build it or get it from a 3rd party. just installing the firmware-amd-graphics package should be sufficient to give you full hardware acceleration with the open source regular amdgpu driver | 19:01 |
| gnarface | luis__: very few things actually require amdgpu-pro | 19:01 |
| gnarface | (on-card rendering in blender comes to mind) | 19:02 |
| luis__ | I'm not sure. Proprietary one sucks anyway (at least in Windows) | 19:02 |
| gnarface | luis__: i'm guessing you just want regular amdgpu with proprietary firmware | 19:02 |
| luis__ | Almost certain yes | 19:02 |
| luis__ | If I understand correctly, backport is a way to get a package from a more advanced release? So that when doing it, you can get a more recent version of a package. Do you confirm? | 19:03 |
| gnarface | yes, that's exactly what it is | 19:03 |
| gnarface | they're just newer packages that are recompiled against current stable dependencies so you don't have weird crashes or other misbehaviors due to abi mismatches | 19:04 |
| gnarface | the only reason they're not actually part of the stable release is due to debian's "freeze" rules with regards to their definition of "stable" | 19:04 |
| luis__ | perfect, so I should just add "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports" in my /etc/apt/sources.list? | 19:04 |
| gnarface | i think it might actually have to be "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free" for this, but yea | 19:05 |
| gnarface | i would recommend adding it, only installing the updated linux-image-* package and firmware-amd-graphics package and then removing it when done. overall the stuff in backports is less well tested than the stuff in the stable release so you don't want to just be getting everything from there willy-nilly | 19:06 |
| luis__ | yes, deb-src as well? | 19:06 |
| luis__ | the stuff in backports is only installed if you specify it no? Like apt install package/backport? | 19:07 |
| gnarface | won't hurt to add, though i don't think you'll need it for this since amdgpu doesn't require dkms like nvidia does, so you shouldn't need the corresponding linux-headers-* package | 19:07 |
| gnarface | to be honest, i've heard several times that stuff from backports should only install if explicitly requested, but i swear i've had issues in my pre-AMD Nvidia days where an "apt-get upgrade" pulled in the entire kitchen sink from backports so my advice stands | 19:08 |
| gnarface | i would recommend just commenting it out when you're done | 19:08 |
| gnarface | you might want to get in there again later | 19:09 |
| luis__ | yes, I'll do that then, thank you for your help | 19:09 |
| gnarface | no problem | 19:09 |
| luis__ | my filesystem is in read-only ffs, have to reboot | 19:09 |
| luis__ | bruh windows had put all the drives in read only mode because of a weird shutdown, that's why I had so many problems | 19:17 |
| luis__ | seems like it's also the most recent version in chimaera-backports | 19:21 |
| luis__ | now that's weird | 19:21 |
| gnarface | no, do this: apt-cache -t chimaera-backports search ^linux-image- | 19:21 |
| luis__ | Installed version is 19.1, I need 21.10 | 19:21 |
| gnarface | or apt-cache -t chimaera-backports search ^firmware-amd | 19:21 |
| luis__ | the last one upgraded something | 19:23 |
| luis__ | just rebooted, nothing changed | 19:25 |
| luis__ | I believe I just need to install a more recent version of xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu | 19:28 |
| gnarface | check the xorg log | 19:28 |
| gnarface | but if you're right there should be a newer one of those packages in backports too | 19:29 |
| luis__ | how do I check that and what am I looking for? | 19:33 |
| luis__ | The version I need is in the Bookworm release | 19:33 |
| gnarface | lines with (EE) on them | 19:34 |
| luis__ | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.592] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.592] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.592] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.592] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.592] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 6.595] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER | 19:36 |
| luis__ | [ 22.321] (EE) event4 - dakai PS/2+USB Keyboard: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 12ms, your system is too slow | 19:36 |
| luis__ | Bookworm hasn't been released yet? | 19:37 |
| gnarface | which driver does it say it's using? | 19:37 |
| gnarface | it will try several and then settle on one | 19:37 |
| luis__ | Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: N/A | 19:38 |
| luis__ | bus ID: 2f:00.0 chip ID: 1002:73ff class ID: 0300 | 19:38 |
| luis__ | Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: ati,vesa unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon | 19:38 |
| luis__ | resolution: 1024x768~76Hz s-dpi: 96 | 19:38 |
| luis__ | OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 compat-v: 3.1 | 19:38 |
| luis__ | direct render: Yes | 19:38 |
| gnarface | try using a xorg.conf snippet to force it to use amdgpu | 19:40 |
| luis__ | I don't know how to do that | 19:40 |
| gnarface | i can help in a couple minutes, stand by | 19:41 |
| luis__ | can I backport from Bookworm even though it's not released? | 19:42 |
| gnarface | the backports version should already be that | 19:45 |
| luis__ | Seems like it doesn't work for amdgpu | 19:47 |
| gnarface | but it doesn't appear to even be trying to use amdgpu | 19:47 |
| gnarface | so we can't say that for sure or not | 19:47 |
| luis__ | oh okay | 19:47 |
| gnarface | have you ever made an xorg.conf yet? | 19:48 |
| luis__ | I'm kinda lost here | 19:48 |
| luis__ | nope | 19:48 |
| _ds_ | Hmm, RX 6600 – should be using amdgpu (kernel module) by default | 19:48 |
| _ds_ | Firmware? | 19:48 |
| gnarface | is that what this is? i only see navi 23 | 19:48 |
| luis__ | it's XT, but it should be the same | 19:48 |
| luis__ | RX 6600 XT | 19:48 |
| _ds_ | Same as what I have | 19:49 |
| gnarface | luis__: "apt-get -t chimaera-backports install firmware-amd-graphics" does this do anything? | 19:49 |
| luis__ | it's already the newest version | 19:49 |
| gnarface | _ds_: you using backports or are you on daedalus? | 19:49 |
| luis__ | but it did update the first time I used the backports | 19:49 |
| gnarface | ok, just making sure | 19:49 |
| _ds_ | I'm using a mix, but mesa & kernel are locally compiled | 19:49 |
| luis__ | daedalus hasn't been release yet right? | 19:49 |
| gnarface | luis__: correct, but chimaera-backports should have basically the same stuff | 19:50 |
| gnarface | at least where it counts | 19:50 |
| gnarface | luis__: what does "uname -a" report? | 19:50 |
| _ds_ | Anyway, I'd make sure that kernel & mesa are from chimaera-backports (assuming chimaera) | 19:50 |
| luis__ | Linux DESKTOP-XXXXX 5.10.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.162-1 (2023-01-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 19:50 |
| _ds_ | Old. | 19:51 |
| gnarface | yea, that's not the backports kernel | 19:51 |
| luis__ | oooh | 19:51 |
| luis__ | might've missed something then | 19:51 |
| luis__ | what's the package name? linux-image-5.19... ? | 19:52 |
| gnarface | 5.19 sounds about right, there's probably a few options | 19:53 |
| gnarface | apt-cache -t chimaera-backports search ^linux-image- | 19:53 |
| luis__ | I'll just install the latest I guess | 19:53 |
| luis__ | oh there's a 6 in there | 19:53 |
| gnarface | just make sure you get the one for the right architecture and don't install the RT one or anything weird | 19:53 |
| _ds_ | Not sure of the specific package, but 6.0.12-1~bpo11+1 is the version in backports. | 19:53 |
| _ds_ | (I'm just looking at linux-image-amd64) | 19:54 |
| gnarface | luis__: tell me which package you're gonna install before you do it so i can sanity check | 19:54 |
| luis__ | firmware-amd-graphics and xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu I guess | 19:54 |
| gnarface | damn, if luis__ comes back tell them i meant which "linux-image-*" package, for the kernel | 19:57 |
| luis__ | Yay, we've done it! I can now see more than three pixels lol | 19:58 |
| luis__ | thank you all | 19:58 |
| gnarface | well glad he got it working | 20:00 |
| gnarface | just wish i was sure he's actually using the right stuff | 20:00 |
| luis__ | Is xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu necessary if I use wayland? | 21:33 |
| gnarface | no | 21:35 |
| gnarface | but wayland may be more trouble than its worth still | 21:35 |
| gnarface | regardless of what the wayland fans will claim, xorg is still better supported nearly everywhere | 21:36 |
| gnarface | (most notably with commercial software, but if you're not a gamer it may not matter) | 21:36 |
| gnarface | by the way, before you left earlier the sanity check on the package name i was intending to do for you was for the kernel package, to make sure you got the best one | 21:37 |
| gnarface | (not just the right version but the right architecture and build, since there's some ambiguity) | 21:38 |
| gnarface | anyway, if you switch to wayland i recommend you map yourself out a easy path to switch back in case you need to | 21:39 |
| luis__ | I didn't understand what you said about the sanity check | 21:45 |
| luis__ | did you do it? | 21:45 |
| gnarface | you didn't tell me what kernel package you used, so no, i didn't | 21:47 |
| luis__ | oh | 21:47 |
| luis__ | kernel package = linux-image-?? | 21:48 |
| gnarface | yes | 21:48 |
| luis__ | 6.0.12 | 21:48 |
| luis__ | as for Wayland vs X11, I care about performance, latency and gaming | 21:49 |
| gnarface | no i meant the whole package name not just the version | 21:49 |
| gnarface | and if you care about gaming and not strictly open-source games, you almost certainly want X11 | 21:50 |
| gnarface | there might be a way to install both and switch between them easily but off the top of my head i can't tell you exactly how | 21:51 |
| gnarface | someone more familiar with wayland might be able to though | 21:51 |
| luis__ | I'll check that myself, thank you | 21:56 |
| luis__ | sudo apt -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-amd64 | 21:56 |
| luis__ | Reading package lists... Done | 21:56 |
| luis__ | Building dependency tree... Done | 21:56 |
| luis__ | Reading state information... Done | 21:56 |
| luis__ | linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (6.0.12-1~bpo11+1). | 21:56 |
| luis__ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 157 not upgraded. | 21:56 |
| gnarface | ok, that's just the meta-package | 21:57 |
| gnarface | but that probably installed the right thing. you can check like this: dpkg -l |grep linux-image | 21:57 |
| luis__ | ii linux-image-5.10.0-21-amd64 5.10.162-1 amd64 Linux 5.10 for 64-bit PCs (signed) | 22:00 |
| luis__ | rc linux-image-5.10.0-9-amd64 5.10.70-1 amd64 Linux 5.10 for 64-bit PCs (signed) | 22:00 |
| luis__ | ii linux-image-6.0.0-0.deb11.6-amd64 6.0.12-1~bpo11+1 amd64 Linux 6.0 for 64-bit PCs (signed) | 22:00 |
| luis__ | ii linux-image-amd64 6.0.12-1~bpo11+1 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) | 22:00 |
| gnarface | careful with the long pastes, the bot might kick you just fyi | 22:00 |
| gnarface | looks like you got the right one though | 22:01 |
| gnarface | should be fine | 22:01 |
| luis__ | thank you | 22:02 |
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