| spine-o-saurus | i just loaded up fluxbox, but when I change the keymaps to launch a program it thinks im using some other program shortcut and it never launches | 02:41 |
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| spine-o-saurus | also the icon theme was set in user config but some how Adwaita mouse cursor is still in use | 02:42 |
| golinux | Did you long out and in after the changes? | 02:43 |
| spine-o-saurus | but when I deleted Adwaita theme from system it was using the correct icons | 02:43 |
| spine-o-saurus | ya | 02:43 |
| golinux | Adwaita is a scourage . . . | 02:43 |
| golinux | and a bully | 02:44 |
| spine-o-saurus | i couldn't find out where it was applying that config | 02:44 |
| golinux | gnome is a bully too | 02:45 |
| golinux | It is the "default" system icon theme | 02:45 |
| golinux | What release are you using? | 02:46 |
| spine-o-saurus | daedalus | 02:47 |
| golinux | If you are trying to use the default theme, I don't think it's set up yet in desktop-base which could be part of the problem . . . | 02:51 |
| pungentweasel | I'm confused about something with ARM images (long link so I'll post my question in the next msg).. see here: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-arm64/20210731%2Bdeb11u5devuan1/images/netboot/SD-card-images/README.concatenateable_images | 02:53 |
| pungentweasel | where does the bootloader come into play? | 02:54 |
| pungentweasel | there isn't much info on the forum about these concatenatable images and no documenation | 02:54 |
| pungentweasel | documentation* | 02:54 |
| rrq | point your web search at "PXE netboot" | 02:56 |
| pungentweasel | rrq, is that reply for me? | 02:57 |
| rrq | yes | 02:57 |
| pungentweasel | okay will do, thank you | 02:57 |
| rrq | (I've only trialled pxe boot with amd64 though; I assume it's pretty much the same for arm) | 03:02 |
| pungentweasel | ok no prob | 03:04 |
| golinux | pungentweasel: Haven't seen you in a while . . . | 03:06 |
| golinux | Welcome back! | 03:06 |
| pungentweasel | ya, it's been a while :) | 03:08 |
| youni2 | Hi. I have just installed devuan on i9 12900, gigabyte aorus elite ax. And i have incorrect resolution, and have no wifi, only ethernet. | 15:34 |
| youni2 | How to download kernel 5.14 ? Is it already compiled somewhere? | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | I think 5.15 or later is in chimaera-backports | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | 5.19 | 15:42 |
| finkfox | hi. i'm trying to install devuan chimaera via desktop-live install. I have a fresh unpartitioned/unformated harddisk. how should I format it? | 16:09 |
| finkfox | as I see there is the MBR and the GPT/UEFI way. which one is recommended and why? | 16:09 |
| finkfox | there is also the info text "to boot gpt disk in legacy bios you must create a small unformated partition with `bios_grub` flag ..." | 16:11 |
| gnarface | finkfox: the live installer shouldn't require you to pre-partition or format | 16:27 |
| gnarface | it should take care of all of that for you | 16:28 |
| gnarface | but, in general, when in doubt use MBR | 16:28 |
| finkfox | gnarface: ok thank you | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, fyi the live installer does not partition for you. It lets you choose gparted, gdisk or cfdisk to partition manually if needed. | 17:06 |
| gnarface | oh? i thought it was just a 1-click thing. | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | no, I was never comfortable with messing with someone else's partitions if I can't see them. | 17:07 |
| gnarface | finkfox: sorry, i haven't actually looked at it, i was wrong about that. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | and that's exactly what I feel like I'm doing if I set it up to do automatic partitioning. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | gpt with bios boot is useful if you have a large disk or if you want more than four primary partitions. | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | large disk means 2T or bigger | 17:11 |
| youni | please, where can I download chimaera new kernel 5.15 compiled already ? | 17:57 |
| gnarface | youni2, youni: does it need to be exactly 5.15? there's newer kernels in chimaera-backports. they're actually newer than 5.15 now. | 17:58 |
| youni | ok, i added chimaera backports to /etc/apt/sources.list, now doing update, this process is so slow https://ibb.co/9NkGqbY by internet is normal but downloading from devuan is slow. and then i will find something newer than 5.10 here 'apt-cache search linux-image' and then type apt install linux-image-5.16 or higher yes ? | 18:11 |
| gnarface | youni: "apt-cache -t chimaera-backports search ^linux-image-" | 18:12 |
| gnarface | youni: if you're using any non-free firmware or drivers make sure you get their corresponding packages from backports too | 18:13 |
| youni | i found linux-image-6.0.0 but 'E: Unable to locate package linux-image-6.0.0' | 18:14 |
| youni | apt -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-6.0.0 | 18:15 |
| youni | doesnt work | 18:15 |
| gnarface | youni: you're certainly missing the rest of the package name | 18:16 |
| gnarface | it wouldn't just end in .0, there should be clearly -type-arch | 18:16 |
| gnarface | at least | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | try apt -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-5.19.11-1~bpo11+1 | 18:17 |
| onefang | If you are doing this on a desktop system, synaptic might be easier. | 18:19 |
| gnarface | shouldn't there be a -686 or -amd64 in that package name? | 18:21 |
| youni | apt list --installed 2>/dev/null| grep linux-image | 18:23 |
| youni | linux-image-5.10.0-9-amd64/now 5.10.70-1 amd64 [installed,local] | 18:23 |
| youni | linux-image-5.19.0-0.deb11.2-rt-amd64-unsigned/stable-backports,now 5.19.11-1~bpo11+1 amd64 [installed] | 18:23 |
| youni | now, please which drivers you recommend for core i9 12900 anderlake ? | 18:23 |
| gnarface | youni: according to intel, the defaults should be best for that one. if you have problems you can switch xorg from the "modesetting" (default) driver to the "intel" driver, which should also already be installed stock. you shouldn't need anything extra afaik. | 18:26 |
| gnarface | (except mesa packages) | 18:27 |
| youni | i have motherboard gigabyte aorus elite ax, and i think wifi is on it. now i have no wifi in devuan. but in rocky driver i915 was in use | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | firmware-misc-free has i915 stuff in it | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | nonfree | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | shit, sorry | 18:32 |
| youni | here it is my lspci -v https://pastebin.com/32GttEyb | 18:33 |
| youni | yes it is not free, buti think i couldnt run wifi other way | 18:33 |
| gnarface | youni: yea, try firmware-misc-nonfree. from backports if it's there, otherwise just from the regular repos | 18:37 |
| youni | # apt install firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:39 |
| youni | firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version (20210315-3). | 18:39 |
| youni | so I booted with this package but have no wifi | 18:39 |
| youni | ip link show | 18:39 |
| youni | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 | 18:39 |
| youni | link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 | 18:39 |
| youni | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 | 18:39 |
| youni | link/ether 74:56:3c:68:57:ec brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff | 18:39 |
| gnarface | no; apt -t chimaera-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:39 |
| gnarface | it won't (or at least isn't supposed to) use backports unless you explicitly add "-t chimaera-backports" | 18:39 |
| gnarface | (and then reboot) | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | doesn't seem to be in backports | 18:42 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org says it is | 18:42 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Efirmware-misc-nonfree&x=submit | 18:43 |
| youni | apt -t chimaera-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:44 |
| youni | Reading package lists... Done | 18:44 |
| youni | Building dependency tree... Done | 18:44 |
| youni | Reading state information... Done | 18:44 |
| youni | firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version (20210315-3). | 18:44 |
| youni | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 301 not upgraded. | 18:44 |
| youni | ok hope i will have normal graphics and wifi now when reboot https://ibb.co/RSpknsy | 18:44 |
| gnarface | hmm, something is wrong | 18:45 |
| gnarface | it should definitely be in non-free, and that's not the version listed | 18:45 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: how often does pkginfo update its caches? | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 18:45 |
| gnarface | *should definitely be in backports i mean | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | I might not have non-free on my bpo line | 18:45 |
| gnarface | youni: make sure you have non-free in your backports line on sources.list | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, now I see it after fixing sources.list | 18:48 |
| youni | sorry, yes, added now '# grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:48 |
| youni | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main non-free' | 18:48 |
| youni | and installed '# apt -t chimaera-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:48 |
| youni | The following packages will be upgraded: | 18:48 |
| youni | firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:48 |
| youni | 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 314 not upgraded.' | 18:48 |
| spine-o-saurus | i loaded up fluxbox but when I set keymap combo for shortcut it isnt triggering the application | 18:48 |
| brocashelm | got a bunch of xfce updates on ceres | 18:49 |
| brocashelm | although i'm on daedalus | 18:50 |
| gnarface | youni: i thought your rig had a intel gpu? | 18:50 |
| brocashelm | (checking every now and then to see how close they are) | 18:51 |
| youni | yes i have intel UHD 770 graphics, and use it. i have no another gpu, cause dont know which to choose for devuan | 18:51 |
| gnarface | youni: well just fyi you shouldn't need firmware-amd-graphics unless you have AMD graphics | 18:52 |
| gnarface | youni: but you should check lspci to be sure | 18:52 |
| gnarface | (i'm not familiar with your specific hardware) | 18:53 |
| youni | sorry, one more confusion, my boot disk partition is controlled by rocky linux that i installed after devuan and chosen the same partition for boot. and this is why i again booted to old kernel 5.10. could you advise how to kick of grub of rocky and install grub of devuan again to '/dev/nvme0n1p1 2048 1026047 1024000 500M EFI System' ? | 18:53 |
| gnarface | youni: try running update-grub from inside devuan | 18:54 |
| youni | sorry, i think i have some breaks in mount, because i cannot see partition for /boot: | 19:00 |
| youni | https://pastebin.com/cSzyqJME | 19:00 |
| youni | and also when i boot (choosing devuan in grub menu controlled by rocky) so devuan says some errors about this. is it still possible to turn boot partiotion back to devuan ? | 19:00 |
| youni | # cat /etc/fstab | 19:01 |
| youni | UUID=20b34fc7-a9da-4621-9fa3-176b81438b32/ext4defaults,noatime01 | 19:01 |
| youni | UUID=dbb6c299-a210-4e25-9617-dabb8815af65/homeext4defaults,noatime02 | 19:01 |
| youni | UUID=fd55dc70-0d3a-48f9-9022-69d66d57e598noneswapsw00 | 19:01 |
| youni | UUID=D7F4-6C3D/boot/efivfatumask=007701 | 19:01 |
| gnarface | youni: try running grub-install but point it at the disk instead of a partition | 19:02 |
| youni | blkid | 19:03 |
| youni | i think that rocky formated my first partition and its uuid changed to C820-B4F1, but devuan still uses uuid D7F4-6C3D | 19:03 |
| gnarface | youni: look in /dev/disk/by-uuid | 19:04 |
| youni | ls /dev/disk/by-uuid | 19:04 |
| youni | C820-B4F1 | 19:04 |
| youni | how to say devuan now to use this disk and to change fstab ? | 19:05 |
| gnarface | youni: just change the fstab with a text editor | 19:05 |
| youni | and then reboot ? | 19:05 |
| gnarface | yes | 19:05 |
| spine-o-saurus | wtf is wrong with this keymap? i use the same keymap for any other fluxbox and it works fine but its not launching anything with the Mod4 combos | 19:06 |
| gnarface | spine-o-saurus: couldn't tell you but make sure you have locales installed, then run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" ... if that doesn't work i dunno what's up | 19:08 |
| gnarface | spine-o-saurus: if you mean it works on other distros but not devuan, it could be a kernel or window manager version difference i think | 19:13 |
| youni | ok. now i have devuba's grub, normal resolution, and i915 in use | 19:13 |
| youni | lspci -v | 19:13 |
| youni | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation AlderLake-S GT1 (rev 0c) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) | 19:13 |
| youni | Kernel driver in use: i915 | 19:13 |
| youni | also wifi | 19:13 |
| youni | 00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 7a70 (rev 11) | 19:13 |
| youni | Kernel modules: iwlwifi | 19:13 |
| youni | but i had lot error messages during boot: https://pastebin.com/7J3xKW5T | 19:13 |
| spine-o-saurus | what's strange is this one works:# send the current window to previous/next workspace | 19:13 |
| spine-o-saurus | Mod4 Left :SendToPrevWorkspace | 19:13 |
| gnarface | youni: use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually look at the pastes | 19:13 |
| spine-o-saurus | but not this one:Mod4 E :caja | 19:14 |
| spine-o-saurus | that has nothing to do with the kerenel or config | 19:15 |
| spine-o-saurus | that is somebug | 19:15 |
| youni | here are my errors with iwlwifi http://paste.debian.net/1272460/ | 19:15 |
| gnarface | youni: oh, are the only errors related to iwlwifi? that firmware is in a separate package (also in non-free still) | 19:16 |
| gnarface | youni: it is called (unsurprisingly): firmware-iwlwifi. make sure you also get it from backports | 19:17 |
| youni | ok, that is because non-free modules not loaded during boot, but it will be loaded after boot ? | 19:17 |
| gnarface | youni: no, you just need another package | 19:18 |
| gnarface | more non-free stuff | 19:18 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Efirmware-iwlwifi&x=submit | 19:18 |
| gnarface | this one | 19:18 |
| youni | apt install -t chimaera-backports firmware-iwlwifi | 19:18 |
| youni | The following packages will be upgraded: | 19:18 |
| youni | firmware-iwlwifi | 19:18 |
| youni | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 313 not upgraded | 19:18 |
| youni | so done. reboot | 19:18 |
| gnarface | yes, reboot | 19:18 |
| gnarface | errors should disappear | 19:18 |
| youni | but also i915 | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282941] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/tgl_guc_70.1.1.bin (-2) | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282942] firmware_class: See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282946] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/tgl_guc_70.1.1.bin (-2) | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282951] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/tgl_guc_69.0.3.bin (-2) | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282955] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/tgl_guc_69.0.3.bin (-2) | 19:19 |
| youni | [ 6.282956] i915 0000:00:02.0: GuC firmware i915/tgl_guc_70.1.1.bin: fetch failed with error -2 | 19:19 |
| gnarface | youni, youni2: hmm, try running "update-initramfs" and reboot again, if that doesn't work your hardware may actually be too new for backports even | 19:21 |
| gnarface | youni2: that link it tells you about on debian's wiki has instructions for where to go to get firmware that's not in debian | 19:22 |
| youni | what to give to update-initramfs ? it doesnt want to work You must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d. | 19:24 |
| youni | ls /boot/vmlin* | 19:24 |
| youni | ls /boot/vmlin* | 19:24 |
| gnarface | oh, update-initramfs -y | 19:24 |
| gnarface | i mean update-initramfs -u | 19:24 |
| youni | yes it took newer kernel. Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.19.0-0.deb11.2-rt-amd64. hope this version fir for my hardware | 19:25 |
| youni | no sorry, errors still appear, and i cannot choose wifi device in networkmanager | 19:29 |
| gnarface | bummer. very new hardware then? | 19:29 |
| gnarface | you will need to follow the instructions listed there on https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware | 19:29 |
| gnarface | (looks like basically you're gonna have to get those extra missing firmware files from some public repo) | 19:30 |
| youni | yes. i think so. core i9 12900. but i also read that from kernel 5.15 driver i915 was locked by default. so i use kernel 5.14 on rocky and everything works. hope you know how to unlock i915 ? may be i need to add some words in grub menu entry ? | 19:30 |
| gnarface | hmm, i don't know off the top of my head, but if it can be done from a grub menu entry then check the one from rocky linux. | 19:31 |
| gnarface | conceivably there could be some kernel command-line parameter you need to add, which might still work in devuan | 19:32 |
| youni | will try GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet i915.modeset=1 bluetooth.blacklist=yes" | 19:34 |
| gnarface | youni: remove "quiet" | 19:35 |
| youni | still did not solve with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="i915.modeset=1 bluetooth.blacklist=yes" and update-grub. i think i need kernel 5.14. but cannot see it - only 5.10 and then 5.18 | 19:46 |
| gnarface | youni: it's very unlikely that you need an older kernel. what is most likely is that you need those missing firmware files. you could try copying them from rocky linux but like i said i think you should get them from where the debian wiki says to get them. | 19:47 |
| anon | hi | 20:52 |
| gnarface | hi anon, just state your questions if you have any | 20:53 |
| anon | How install Icecat in devuan? | 20:55 |
| gnarface | anon: you'll have to see if they provide binaries and or sources themselves | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think you just download and unpack the tarball. | 20:58 |
| rwp | anon, If you are having trouble installing upstream GNU IceCat then I suggest asking in #icecat as that is where the IceCat experts hang out. | 22:16 |
| rwp | As far as I know though upstream GNU IceCat has not made a release since 2019 though. Looks like version 60 is their most recent. | 22:18 |
| rwp | Therefore I think you are better off using the Mozilla Firefox version. When it comes to the web we must keep updated. That's the world we live in now. | 22:19 |
| brocashelm | librewolf would get my recommendation over icecat for that reason alone | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | you can use the appimage or obs repos | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | https://librewolf.net/installation/debian/ | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | appimage: https://appimage.github.io/LibreWolf/ | 22:41 |
| brocashelm | another one you might like is abrowser, which you will have to get from trisquel's repo | 22:52 |
| brocashelm | anon: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-install-abrowser-devuan | 22:55 |
| finkfox | trying to install devuan via "desktop install dvd" ... the step "select and install software" fails repeatedly. How can I debug why? | 22:59 |
| finkfox | internet connection should be fine | 22:59 |
| finkfox | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/install-devuan | 22:59 |
| finkfox | what does this mean: Note that offline installation may require a retry of the Software selection step. Repeating this action should allow the install to continue. | 23:00 |
| finkfox | so I try again, but it still fails. | 23:00 |
| finkfox | I think it has a problem with the "desktop environment" part. If I deselect these it works. | 23:01 |
| finkfox | that is "devuan desktop environment" and "... xfce" | 23:01 |
| finkfox | how can I install these after install? from commandline? | 23:01 |
| brocashelm | yeah, you can install them later. those isos are just tasksels for the base system | 23:04 |
| brocashelm | like apt install xfce4 (metapackage) | 23:04 |
| brocashelm | the refracta installer is easier imo | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | if you want the whole bloated mess, install task-xfce-desktop | 23:07 |
| finkfox | fsmithred: I'd prefer to avoid bloat. Just a simple slim xfce4 desktop environment would be great. | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | then just install xfce4 | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | then whatever word processor, browser, multimedia apps and whatever else you can add as you need. | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | for even less bloat add "--no-install-recommends' to the install command. | 23:10 |
| brocashelm | finkfox: apt install --no-install-recommends xfce4-session thunar xfwm4 xfdesktop4 tumbler xfce4-terminal xfce4-panel | 23:12 |
| brocashelm | that would get you started with a minimal xfce desktop | 23:12 |
| finkfox | ok I finished installed without desktop environment, now on shell. How do I manage/setup wifi connection? | 23:13 |
| brocashelm | how are you handling networking? through a gui like network-manager or connman? or from cli? | 23:13 |
| finkfox | well, i'm on cli now. what are my options? | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | and are you using a wire right now? | 23:14 |
| finkfox | nope, wifi only | 23:14 |
| brocashelm | you will need to enable non-free to get the firmware to work with your wireless | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | first figure out if you got whatever firmware you need | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | it likely got installed already | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | firmware packages are in the installer isos | 23:15 |
| finkfox | iwlwifi seems loaded | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | unless you have certain broadcom wireless | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | cool | 23:16 |
| finkfox | so how do I configure wifi from commandline? | 23:16 |
| brocashelm | check with /etc/network/interfaces | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | install nm-tui if possible | 23:16 |
| finkfox | how? without wifi connection? | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | wpasupplicant and wireless-tools | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | they should be in the iso | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | did you use usb or dvd? | 23:17 |
| brocashelm | he said dvd | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | cool | 23:17 |
| finkfox | wait, i put https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso on usb stick | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | apt install <package> | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | apt may or may not find it. | 23:18 |
| brocashelm | oh | 23:18 |
| finkfox | but I thought apt install needs internet connection, no? | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | if you install without network, it puts the cdrom/dvd in sources.list | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | and you will be asked to insert it when you try to install something | 23:19 |
| brocashelm | you can also download the specific deb files and transfer them via usb to your laptop and force them to install with dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | but dosn't always work with usb. | 23:19 |
| brocashelm | i personally find that easier than searching through isos | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | or just find them in the usb | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | or boot the live iso, get network connection, chroot the installed system and install what you want. | 23:21 |
| finkfox | which deb file am I looking for on the usb stick? | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | wpasupplicant wireless-tools | 23:23 |
| finkfox | why arent these tools already installed when installing base? | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | and network-manager | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | because you un-checked desktop stuff, I guess | 23:24 |
| finkfox | these packages are part of desktop? | 23:25 |
| finkfox | wow | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | a no-desktop install is generally a server, and they usually have ethernet ports | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | I guess that's the reasoning | 23:25 |
| finkfox | when I try dpkg I get "ldconfig not foun din PATH ..." | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | did you su to root? | 23:26 |
| finkfox | yes | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | use 'su -' instead | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | and then you'll get root's path | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | although that doesn't sound like the right error message for that problem. | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | usually get 'command not found' | 23:27 |
| finkfox | su - helped | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, dumb change in su from upstream | 23:29 |
| finkfox | managed to install wpasupplicant and wireless-tools ... network-manager fails due to "dependency problems" | 23:30 |
| finkfox | do I really need network-manager at this point? | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | no | 23:30 |
| finkfox | ok, how to proceed to get wifi connection? | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | it's possible to do it with wpasupplicant, but I don't know it well enough to walk you through it | 23:31 |
| gnarface | unless you have something weird, you should be able to do it from /etc/network/interfaces as normal, adding wpa-ssid and wpa-psk fields | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | oh, it's also possible to disable wireless encryption in your router and then make a simple entry in /etc/network/interfaces | 23:31 |
| gnarface | (note "wpa-psk" is a misnomer, it's actually just your plaintext password, no need to actually "psk" it) | 23:32 |
| gnarface | as long as wpasupplicant is installed you can have encryption doing it this way with /etc/network/interfaces | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | cool | 23:33 |
| gnarface | it will engage encryption on seeing the "wpa-psk" field, i think | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | I have done it that way in the past. | 23:33 |
| gnarface | there's a ton of other possible fields, but unless your hardware or driver is weird you should only need these two fields | 23:33 |
| finkfox | ok thank you | 23:34 |
| gnarface | i think it might engage encryption on seeing the "wpa-psk" field instead of "wpa-password" but i'm not sure, check the ... uh, i think iwconfig man page? there's some man page | 23:34 |
| gnarface | (btw since your password is in there, i recommend making the interfaces file only readable as root after doing this) | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | Here's what I've got in my notes: | 23:37 |
| gnarface | uh, finkfox comes back tell them they don't have to reboot to change network settings | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | ### use 'wpa_passphrase <ssid> [passphrase]' to generate hex-key | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | ### enter the result below | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | wpa-psk <hex-key> | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | oh, woops. | 23:37 |
| gnarface | i think that it's optional that it's encrypted now | 23:38 |
| fsmithred | maybe. My notes are old. | 23:41 |
| gnarface | i remember it changing but my memory is vague on the series of events, it seems to me like something happened where they used this field for wpa1/2 passwords both encrypted and unencrypted because they needed to reserve the old field for wep passwords or something like that | 23:42 |
| gnarface | or maybe it was actually about keying whether to engage encryption or not i'm not sure | 23:42 |
| gnarface | i just remember having to change it | 23:42 |
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