| djph | "20s" would be "Gen Z" | 00:48 |
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| djph | ... he says, 4 hours too late :/ | 00:49 |
| FatPhil | the bloody generation that should git orf moi lorn | 10:58 |
| onefang | Does "take it to #devuan-offtopic" count as "git orf moi lorn"? There really should be a git subcommand for that. | 11:17 |
| djph | ha | 11:30 |
| ___used | 21:29 < buZz> ___used: wicd is python2 | 19:00 |
| ___used | wicd was ported to py3 iirc. Some time ago. | 19:01 |
| golinux | AFAIK the port was never completed | 19:31 |
| golinux | There was talk about it. Lots of talk . . . | 19:32 |
| golinux | And some poking at it but . . . | 19:32 |
| gnarface | how different is python2 and python3 really? it's alarming to me that there's so much apparent technical debt caused by the switch | 19:36 |
| gnarface | i see this issue coming up a lot, but i thought the whole point of python was to stop this | 19:36 |
| hagbard | I think it should be a none issue by now, since python3 is out since 2008. | 19:41 |
| brocashelm | you could also try dhcpcd-gtk | 19:42 |
| hagbard | wicd with python3 is in the experimental repos. But it probably has it's reasons for beeing there. | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | when I tested the python3 version of wicd there were some parts of it that worked. | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | it was not ready for actual use | 19:45 |
| gnarface | can you tell if the parts that don't work are because of missing code or python2 code that's still broken? | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | what I was told is that it's difficult to migrate parts of it from 2 to 3 | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | because they are so different | 19:50 |
| * gnarface sighs | 19:53 | |
| gnarface | just more evidence i was right and they should have stuck with perl | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | so should I, and I'd probably still be able to read the perl scripts I wrote. | 20:07 |
| brocashelm | i'm replacing xfwm4 with openbox for xfce4 and need some guidance on getting a new terminal instance to be placed on the surface of my browser or file manager (it starts up in the back) | 21:58 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: i'm not sure i understand your question. are you trying to set up programs to auto-start at login? | 22:00 |
| gnarface | or do you have that handled and the question is specifically about window stacking order thereof? | 22:01 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: no, i meant when i want to start up a new terminal window on an active session, so it's on top of the current window (like thunar or firefox), instead of being placed behind them | 22:02 |
| brocashelm | i can't seem to find an option for that in obconf, and not sure where to look for in the rc file | 22:02 |
| brocashelm | i'd have to keep alt-tabbing to the new terminal instance to get it to surface | 22:02 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: does seem like odd behvior. you sure you don't have firefox or thunar set to "always on top" or something like that? | 22:03 |
| gnarface | i'm not super familiar with xfwm4 or xfce4 but i'm pretty sure i do know how to enforce the behavior you want with enlightenment | 22:04 |
| gnarface | but if all else fails i think there's some shell utilities you can use to manipulate window position and stacking, maybe pointing your icons to some clever wrapper scripts could help | 22:05 |
| gnarface | but i have a sneaky suspicion that what you want actually is already done with some non-default xfce4 extension that's just not installed | 22:05 |
| buZz | brocashelm: try alt+space | 22:13 |
| buZz | on fluxbox atleast, that opens the contextmenu of the titlebar | 22:13 |
| buZz | one of its options is 'layer' | 22:13 |
| buZz | oh, i misunderstood | 22:13 |
| buZz | maybe you can raise the window to front of layer with wmctrl ? | 22:14 |
| brocashelm | what i am trying to do is have it by default, so no manual effort from me each time | 22:15 |
| brocashelm | no, they are never "always on top" (on xfce) | 22:15 |
| buZz | yeah but its kinda vague behaviour, i suspect similar to gnarface , that its already raising something automagically | 22:15 |
| brocashelm | this seems to only happen with the keybind (alt+ctrl+T), but whenever i launch it from the start menu, it works as expected | 22:17 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: we have some xfce4 experts around here, just stick around | 22:19 |
| gnarface | i barely have used it so i don't know | 22:19 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: oh, i always stick around :D | 22:19 |
| brocashelm | no problem, though, i appreciate the effort | 22:20 |
| gnarface | but in general, usually default window manager behavior across the board i've seen only ever puts new windows on top unless something in one of the program themselves is overriding it | 22:20 |
| buZz | brocashelm: doesnt alt+f1 launch a terminal on openbox? | 22:20 |
| gnarface | enlightenment has a ton of options with regards to new window positioning though | 22:20 |
| gnarface | and it lets you set individual windows to "remember" specific behaviors | 22:21 |
| brocashelm | buzz: i use xfce4-session with openbox taking xfwm4's place | 22:21 |
| buZz | i'm not sure if that matters :) | 22:21 |
| buZz | brocashelm: oh , so, you're saying ctrl+alt+T is the xfce4 shortcut for a terminal? | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | i configured my openbox's rc.xml to match my xfwm4's settings, plus keybinds, so if i used just openbox, it should run very similarly | 22:22 |
| buZz | does it happen with a terminal started by openbox? | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | buzz: yep | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | and no | 22:22 |
| buZz | fascinating :) | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | openbox is secondary to xfce, rather than just using xfce's panel or whatever | 22:23 |
| brocashelm | so i have xfce4-panel, xfdesktop, etc. running | 22:23 |
| brocashelm | just not xfwm4 | 22:23 |
| buZz | and it happens with programs you start with xfdesktop or panel, but not with programs you start with openbox? | 22:23 |
| buZz | maybe they interpret Z buffer differently | 22:24 |
| brocashelm | this issue is happening with the keybind i created for the terminal (ctrl+alt+T); starting the terminal from the xfce start menu works as i intended (i.e. it's on the surface, rather than beneath the file manager or web browser) | 22:24 |
| buZz | right, so its openbox putting windows 'up from below' , and xfce starts from the top | 22:25 |
| brocashelm | yeah | 22:25 |
| buZz | maybe either has a buffer flip option? | 22:25 |
| buZz | on fluxbox's alt-space 'layer' menu you have a bunch of layers to put a window on, but multiple windows within such layers can overlap aswell, so there's buffers in the buffers i guess ^_^ | 22:26 |
| buZz | brocashelm: i think with wmctrl you could start xterm 'always on top' or similar | 22:26 |
| buZz | just very high on the layers | 22:26 |
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