| joerg | (cs info | 02:12 |
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| joerg | sorry | 02:13 |
| Smilex | Hey! How do I run X on boot in devuan? Google results favor systemd | 14:47 |
| Smilex | I think I want SLiM to run | 14:47 |
| Smilex | Issue is that my screen shuts down when the tty login screen is supposed to appear. So now I type "in the dark", my login and then startx | 14:49 |
| brocashelm | smilex: i don't use display managers anymore, but i seem to recall it's sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim | 14:50 |
| Smilex | brocashelm: I know that selects the login manager, but does that start X on boot up? | 14:51 |
| brocashelm | also, maybe have a look in /etc/X11/ | 14:51 |
| Smilex | but isn't this a init thing? Specifically I'm thinking that it's complicated because you need to login to run things, but I need to run the login screen | 14:52 |
| brocashelm | display managers are very inconsistent to start up, but i'm able to at least get lxdm or xdm to work after a reboot | 14:52 |
| Smilex | oh really? :( | 14:53 |
| buZz | Smilex: just 'apt install slim' should work just fine | 14:53 |
| buZz | it'll install as display manager and start on boot | 14:54 |
| Smilex | oh! That's simple | 14:54 |
| Smilex | does it know to startxfce? | 14:55 |
| brocashelm | ah, i assumed you already installed slim and couldn't get it to work still | 14:55 |
| brocashelm | it should take care of that by default | 14:55 |
| buZz | Smilex: yes | 14:55 |
| buZz | i doubt it uses 'startxfce' though | 14:55 |
| buZz | likely just xfce-session | 14:55 |
| Smilex | ok, because I apparently have tried something, so I have a local installation of xfce4 I've been using | 14:56 |
| buZz | thats nice | 14:56 |
| Smilex | do I set the one to run in .xsession? | 14:56 |
| buZz | nope, just apt install slim | 14:56 |
| buZz | no .xsession needed at all | 14:56 |
| buZz | you can press 'F1' on the display manager to switch between WM/DEs , if you installed multiples | 14:57 |
| buZz | iirc .. i moved to lightdm some time ago | 14:57 |
| Smilex | oh ok | 14:57 |
| brocashelm | iirc, your display manager looks around for an .xinitrc, .xsession, etc. file to load a DE if one isn't specified in /etc/X11 (somewhere) | 14:58 |
| Smilex | let's try it | 14:59 |
| Smilex | Ok, it was slow and ugly, but it worked. Slowness is probably because of everything else around it | 15:04 |
| al1r4d | Put startxfce on .xinitrc | 15:04 |
| al1r4d | Load from there | 15:04 |
| al1r4d | Then startx | 15:04 |
| al1r4d | Smilex: btw, since then you need systemd to start x session? | 15:05 |
| Smilex | I used to do that, but after getting daedalus, my screen turns off when I get to the tty login | 15:05 |
| al1r4d | What log says? | 15:06 |
| Smilex | dmesg? I don't know what to look for | 15:06 |
| al1r4d | Hmm, sorry, wrong answer. I thought after "startx" | 15:08 |
| buZz | Smilex: i bet the tty is on another monitor output of your PC | 15:13 |
| Smilex | maybe | 15:14 |
| Smilex | might also be available if I ctrl + alt + F# until I find it | 15:14 |
| buZz | typically console doesnt support multiple monitors | 15:15 |
| buZz | it'll be one a single output | 15:15 |
| Smilex | but I see the boot stuff, it just turns off for the tty login | 15:15 |
| buZz | thats bizar, maybe its loading a video driver along the way? | 15:16 |
| Smilex | Not sure. It worked to login and run startx, without seeing anything | 15:17 |
| al1r4d | Smilex: vheck tty1—tty8 maybe | 15:22 |
| Smilex | I will, thanks | 15:24 |
| dgriffi | Is there a devuan equivalent to stuff like this? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/vmlinuz | 21:18 |
| dgriffi | ? | 21:18 |
| dgriffi | I'm trying to build a bootable and writable thumb drive to install devuan. | 21:19 |
| dgriffi | unless sometime since I've been doing it this way that there's now a means to write to a thumb drive prepared by dd'ing a boot iso to it. | 21:20 |
| rwp | It seems to me that since the kernel is not forked that you should be able to use the Debian vmlinuz directly. | 21:20 |
| rwp | Devuan only forks the 100 some packages listed in the banned package list due to those packages having incompatible systemd requirements. The kernel is not one of those. | 21:21 |
| dgriffi | thanks. | 21:21 |
| gnarface | dgriffi: what are you actually trying to do? | 21:21 |
| dgriffi | gnarface: I want to be able to use preseed files from a thumb drive. | 21:22 |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure the stock installer already can do that | 21:22 |
| dgriffi | and include on the thumb drive other stuff I like to immediately drop into a new system. | 21:22 |
| gnarface | oh... you should check out refracta tools | 21:22 |
| gnarface | but i was pretty sure the default installer already had both those features | 21:23 |
| gnarface | not that i've tried preseeding since debian | 21:24 |
| dgriffi | gnarface: last time I checked that if you dd an iso to a thumb drive, you end up with a read-only filesystem | 21:25 |
| gnarface | it i think it depends on which iso, but why does it matter since you'll be copying the extra packages to the iso before you dd it? | 21:26 |
| gnarface | with refracta tools you'll be creating a fresh iso from scratch | 21:26 |
| gnarface | i think you can just mount the regular installer and add packages to it though too | 21:27 |
| dgriffi | it's easier to directly manipulate the thumb drive. | 21:28 |
| gnarface | eh, try the debian one if you want. it might work | 21:29 |
| gnarface | but i do think you might still be making this harder than it has to be | 21:29 |
| dgriffi | in a nutshell, this is slightly different than doing a pxe boot. | 21:29 |
| dgriffi | This is what I've been doing for quite some time: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/29dc4dd2/ | 21:31 |
| gnarface | eh, at a glance i can't see any reason why it wouldn't work | 21:34 |
| gnarface | it's just that the thing about adding extra deb files and using preseeding, those were both already features of the stock netinstaller before devuan existed | 21:35 |
| gnarface | but you really might like refracta tools as a slightly alternate approach | 21:36 |
| dgriffi | I'm looking at that now... and stumbled upon someting called "ventoy" | 21:36 |
| gnarface | i'm not familiar with ventoy | 21:36 |
| dgriffi | it's a more general approach to awhat I'm doing | 21:36 |
| dgriffi | AFAIK, you boot a thumb drive and you get a menu of many installer ISOs. | 21:37 |
| dgriffi | they could be anything: windows, linux, bsd, etc. | 21:37 |
| dgriffi | and the author has iventoy, which does something similar as a pxe replacement | 21:38 |
| dgriffi | see ventoy.com | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | dgriffi, https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ceres/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ | 22:05 |
| dgriffi | fsmithred: perfect! | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | you can choose which suite to install. Current stable is technically chimaera, but daedalus is ready enough for use and is equivalent to debian bookworm. | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | or whatever the third 'B' is called. | 22:06 |
| gnarface | yes, their daedalus is bookworm | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | boogerwart | 22:07 |
| dgriffi | what's holding up Daedalus? | 22:07 |
| gnarface | the netinstaller you won't touch :-p | 22:07 |
| dgriffi | is Icarus being a cheeky boy again? | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | installer isos aren't perfect yet | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if the live isos are perfect or not, since nobody seems to be testing them | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | packages are all done and ready | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | and you can do a debootstrap install from any of the live isos | 22:09 |
| gnarface | i've done several debootstrap installs already, though not from the live isos | 22:10 |
| gnarface | and a couple upgrades from chimaera | 22:11 |
| gnarface | everything seems to be so much in order that it's a bit suspicious actually | 22:11 |
| gnarface | i'm just waiting for them to do something completely unacceptable upstream | 22:11 |
| gnarface | (something else i mean) | 22:11 |
| gnarface | you know that feeling you get when you're in a horror movie and it's "too quiet" | 22:12 |
| gnarface | yea that | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | all your init scripts are belong to us | 22:12 |
| dgriffi | I switched to Bookworm early because there was something goofy going on with a library that wasn't going to be backported. now I forget what it was. | 22:14 |
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