| jonadab | Which documentation should I be looking at to work out how to get the wireless (802.11-whatever) adapter working on Devuan, on a laptop that came with Mint pre-installed; wifi works in Mint, but I prefer not to have to boot into that on occasions when for whatever reason I undock from my wired network and take the laptop someplace. Which is not real often, but still. | 03:10 |
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| jonadab | I started using Debian in 1998, so I don't need a ton of handholding, I just don't have much previous experience with wireless and need a pointer in the right general direction. | 03:10 |
| fsmithred_ | jonadab, wiki.debian.org - we use the exact same firmware packages | 03:11 |
| fsmithred_ | as debian | 03:12 |
| gnarface | yea, it's probably just missing a firmware package | 03:12 |
| jonadab | fsmithred_: That makes sense. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred_ | what does lspci show you? | 03:12 |
| jonadab | And I did install firmware-realtek (the laptop's user manaul seems to indicate that the wifi adapter is a Realtek model... | 03:12 |
| jonadab | Oh, that's a good question. | 03:12 |
| jonadab | Last line of lspci output: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter | 03:13 |
| gnarface | firmware-realtek is for both wireless and wired ethernet, but Realtek chips show up in a lot of other brands' stuff too | 03:13 |
| jonadab | What should I be looking for in /dev for a wifi device? I assume it's not ethn | 03:13 |
| fsmithred_ | I never looked there | 03:13 |
| fsmithred_ | ip a | 03:13 |
| fsmithred_ | to show your interfaces | 03:13 |
| gnarface | it should show up as wlan0 | 03:14 |
| jonadab | That shows lo and eth0 | 03:14 |
| jonadab | Oh, right, wlan, that makes sense. | 03:14 |
| fsmithred_ | did you reboot after installing the firmware? | 03:14 |
| jonadab | fsmithred_: Yes, weeks ago. | 03:14 |
| jonadab | And several times since. | 03:14 |
| jonadab | I probably didn't get the _right_ fimrware package, then. | 03:14 |
| rrq | use: ls /sys/class/net | 03:14 |
| fsmithred_ | ok, that's not always necessary, but ometimes is | 03:14 |
| gnarface | it's also possible if you're using chimaera you might need the kernel and firmware packages from chimaera-backporrt | 03:15 |
| rrq | ("ip a" shows assigne addresses) | 03:15 |
| jonadab | rrq: Also shows lo and eth0 | 03:15 |
| gnarface | *sorry chimaera-backports | 03:15 |
| jonadab | I am on chimaera, yes. | 03:15 |
| fsmithred_ | brb | 03:15 |
| gnarface | the stock chimaera kernel is pretty old now | 03:15 |
| jonadab | Ah. | 03:16 |
| jonadab | I definitely don't want to play with Ceres yet. | 03:16 |
| jonadab | Or ever, probably. | 03:16 |
| jonadab | Well, not on an important sy stem. | 03:16 |
| gnarface | nah, just try getting the kernel and that firmware package both from chimaera-backports | 03:16 |
| jonadab | I will consider that. Though I'll probably poke around on the Debian wiki a bit first. | 03:17 |
| jonadab | Never hurts to read documentation. | 03:17 |
| gnarface | yes, there's a few other firmware packages, worth double-checking on them | 03:17 |
| jonadab | I also heard a rumor that the successor to chimaera may be out "soonish", which would likely be soon enough for this for me. I don't undock often and would probably be happy getting this working a month or three from now. | 03:17 |
| jonadab | IF that would solve the problem, that is. | 03:18 |
| gnarface | yes, daedalus seems very mature. updating to daedalus should have about the same chances of fixing this as using the chimaera-backports kernel and firmware versions, but obviously will involve downloading a lot more stuff | 03:18 |
| jonadab | True. | 03:19 |
| jonadab | I'll think about it. | 03:19 |
| gnarface | "RTL8821CE" should be enough for you to get a verified list of what driver and firmware versions supports it from... somewhere | 03:19 |
| jonadab | That makes sense too. | 03:20 |
| gnarface | actually | 03:20 |
| gnarface | this is the first link on google when i search for that: https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=151517 | 03:21 |
| gnarface | (it says the backports kernel will work) | 03:21 |
| jonadab | Yep, I was just reading that same post. | 03:21 |
| gnarface | just make sure you get both the kernel AND that firmware package from backports. they're intended to be used as a set. | 03:22 |
| jonadab | Ok. | 03:22 |
| gnarface | mixing&matching might work but as they're not tested that way you might run into mysterious glitches | 03:23 |
| jonadab | Right, and there's no compelling reason to attempt that. | 03:23 |
| gnarface | well... if you were on a 56k modem and didn't have time to download a 35MB kernel package, i could imagine wanting to just try the backports firmware alone | 03:24 |
| gnarface | and then i could imagine it actually working, then forgetting having done this by the time [mysterious stability issues] arise sometime later | 03:24 |
| jonadab | Heh. | 03:24 |
| jonadab | I'll have you know, I once downloaded a three-CD ISO set over a 36k dialup connection. | 03:24 |
| gnarface | hah, dedication! | 03:25 |
| jonadab | wget -c | 03:25 |
| jonadab | And yes, it was a Linux distro. Mandrake IIRC. | 03:25 |
| jonadab | Only took about ten days, IIRC. | 03:31 |
| gnarface | hah | 03:31 |
| gnarface | nice | 03:31 |
| * Xenguy used to do dist-upgrades overnite on dial-up : -) | 03:31 | |
| jonadab | I also experimented with gentoo for a while while on dialup. emerge world did take some time. | 03:32 |
| jonadab | But I grew up in the era of "allow 6-8 weeks for delivery", so maybe I have more patience than the kids these days :-) | 03:32 |
| Guest3113 | Hello | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | time | 15:33 |
| NickCage | Hello | 16:30 |
| NickCage | Is it possible to install nvidia-drivers? | 16:30 |
| NickCage | Im checking the forum | 16:30 |
| gnarface | yes | 16:34 |
| gnarface | it works the same as debian | 16:34 |
| NickCage | Thanks @gnarface! | 16:35 |
| gnarface | if you're using daedalus or later, note that they got moved from "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" | 16:35 |
| NickCage | so in sources | 16:39 |
| NickCage | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free-firmware ? | 16:39 |
| gnarface | yes | 16:46 |
| gnarface | well you might want "main contrib non-free non-free-firmware" if you want everything | 16:47 |
| NickCage | Im seeing that non-free-firmware is from chimarea upwords | 16:47 |
| gnarface | oh, sorry i missed that you used chimaera there | 16:48 |
| gnarface | i thought it was only changed as of daedalu s | 16:48 |
| gnarface | *daedalus, which is the next release after chimaera | 16:48 |
| gnarface | i could be wrong, it should be easy to check | 16:48 |
| NickCage | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/sources.list.txt | 16:49 |
| NickCage | Im checking here | 16:49 |
| NickCage | Another questions, how do I backup my drive? | 16:50 |
| NickCage | Im was trying TimeShift , does it work well ? | 16:50 |
| gnarface | uh... that link clearly only shows "non-free-firmware" in daedalus and ceres, not chimaera | 16:50 |
| NickCage | dont mind I alrready find my K2000 quadro driver :) | 16:51 |
| gnarface | i use dd or tar for backups, typically | 16:51 |
| NickCage | Can you give me more info ? | 16:51 |
| gnarface | check the man pages for them | 16:51 |
| NickCage | thanks :) | 16:51 |
| NickCage | Another, i couldnt find | 16:51 |
| gnarface | there's lots of options besides those, i just like the old stuff | 16:51 |
| NickCage | info about it | 16:51 |
| NickCage | why does sysv has openrc parts? | 16:52 |
| gnarface | sysvinit does not have openrc parts, but openrc does have sysvinit parts. this is inherited from debian | 16:53 |
| gnarface | almost everything is inherited from debian | 16:54 |
| ErRandir | daedalus installer rc8 worked for me, but I had to add nomodeset to the kernel command line afterwards. IMO that should always be set on the grub rescue variant. | 18:24 |
| ted-ious | ErRandir++ | 18:46 |
| Guest5675 | How do I get process to autostart at boot? | 20:52 |
| buZz | what do you mean | 20:53 |
| buZz | there's about 3498573894758934 methods | 20:53 |
| buZz | 'at boot' suggests configuring 'init=/home/guest7835374/thisbinary' in kernel parameters? :D | 20:54 |
| buZz | is it a service? is it a GUI application? is it depending on anything being started already? | 20:54 |
| hagbard | otherwise init scripts, your desktop environments session/startup settings, @boot in crontab | 20:55 |
| Guest5675 | its a service | 20:56 |
| Guest5675 | like libvritd | 20:56 |
| Guest5675 | i tried with update.rc-d XXX start 20 2 4 0 | 20:56 |
| Guest5675 | but nothign | 20:56 |
| buZz | is there a rc script for it? | 20:57 |
| buZz | if not, updaterc wont do shit | 20:57 |
| buZz | which service is it and why doesnt it ship with a init script already? | 20:57 |
| jonadab | Some simple things can just be put in /etc/rc.local if all you need is to run a command once at system start. | 21:22 |
| jonadab | But that doesn't give you the ability to do things like restart the service. | 21:23 |
| systemdlete | Is it just my imagination, or are kernel package updates taking longer and longer? I don't remember them taking this long in the past, only in the past year or so. I'm seeing this on both physical hosts and VMs. | 21:24 |
| systemdlete | (though I admit much faster on physical hosts) | 21:24 |
| systemdlete | When I attach strace to the running process, I am seeing a lot of renames. | 21:27 |
| jonadab | I hadn't noticed, but I don't usually do just a kernel update by itself; it tends to be batched in with a whole bunch of other updates. | 21:31 |
| jonadab | So I _wouldn't_ necessarily notice the kernel update in particular taking a couple of extra minutes. | 21:31 |
| systemdlete | This is more than "a couple extra minutes"--I'm talking, like, 45 minutes sometimes. | 21:32 |
| jonadab | Oh, hmm. I likely would have noticed THAT. But I'm still on chimaera if that makes a difference. | 21:32 |
| systemdlete | And forget about trying to update more than 1 VM at the same time--the host cannot deal with that. | 21:32 |
| Guest5675 | hey | 21:33 |
| systemdlete | This is chimaera--all of it: hosts and VMs. | 21:33 |
| systemdlete | (well, one VM still running beowulf) | 21:33 |
| Guest5675 | thanks systemdlete | 21:33 |
| systemdlete | Guest5675, I think you were chatting with buZz, not me. But you're welcome anyway! | 21:37 |
| buZz | 20:57:55 < buZz> which service is it and why doesnt it ship with a init script already? | 21:37 |
| buZz | ? | 21:37 |
| mason | systemdlete: Is it the kernel itself or kernel headers? | 21:50 |
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