| systemdlete | anyone know where I can get libncursesw6-dev? Note that I want the STATIC library for WIDE versino 6 ncurses. | 02:34 |
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| systemdlete | I've looked high and low for it, but haven't come across it. I checked packages at devuan and debian, and pkgs.org | 02:35 |
| systemdlete | no one seesm to have it. | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, libncursesw5-dev says: transitional package for libncurses-dev | 02:59 |
| systemdlete | I need version 6, not 5 | 02:59 |
| fsmithred | correct | 03:00 |
| systemdlete | you gave the v5 package name | 03:00 |
| fsmithred | no 6 in the name | 03:00 |
| systemdlete | ??? | 03:00 |
| fsmithred | yes, TRANSITIONAl (dummy) package | 03:00 |
| fsmithred | you want libncursesw-dev | 03:00 |
| fsmithred | of whatever version you need | 03:00 |
| systemdlete | will that give me version 6? | 03:01 |
| systemdlete | (I'm confused by this, sorry) | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | 6.4 in ceres, 6.2 in chimaera | 03:01 |
| systemdlete | but those packages give me shared object libraries, not static libraries. | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | transitional package means they are changing the names or contents of the packages | 03:01 |
| systemdlete | "they"? | 03:02 |
| systemdlete | debian? | 03:02 |
| fsmithred | maintainers | 03:02 |
| systemdlete | ok... | 03:02 |
| systemdlete | still lost here. | 03:03 |
| debdog | there's alos no libncursesw-dev available, that's what confused me | 03:03 |
| fsmithred | maybe try apt-file if you know exactly what file you need. It might be in a different package. | 03:03 |
| fsmithred | pkginfo says it exists | 03:04 |
| debdog | oh | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | oh wait - no w | 03:04 |
| debdog | right | 03:04 |
| debdog | but maybe this one covers the one with the w as well? | 03:05 |
| debdog | not exactly sure about the difference | 03:05 |
| fsmithred | maybe. Or maybe the source package: ncurses | 03:06 |
| systemdlete | I'm willing to use the source and build it myself. | 03:06 |
| systemdlete | what is the name of the source package? | 03:06 |
| fsmithred | ncurses | 03:06 |
| systemdlete | not libncurses? | 03:06 |
| fsmithred | apt-get source ncurses | 03:06 |
| fsmithred | right | 03:07 |
| fsmithred | look in the control file to see all the packages it makes | 03:10 |
| systemdlete | sorry, I just took a closer look and I THINK (not sure) my chimaera already has the versoin 6 wide static library. | 03:37 |
| systemdlete | The problem I am running into is with linux console support. I need color and line drawing there. Problem is, according to a response to a post by Thomas Dickie (the dev/maintainer), one needs the wide version 6 to get the support in console. | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | so it looks like I have it, and it does largely work. | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | but | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | it is causing a blank screen when I select my own color I created with init_color. Oddly, it does not happen in an xterm | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | I've tried a few different TERM values, but no luck. | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | It's a C program, and maybe I have trampled some memory. But my program does work, and I'm not seeing crashes. | 03:40 |
| systemdlete | I'm guessing I will be having a visit with gdb or somebody soon... | 03:41 |
| systemdlete | From what I can glean from all the posts about running curses in linux consoles, it seems that this is a well-konwn problem supposedly addressed 2 decades ago. | 03:43 |
| systemdlete | (2002) | 03:43 |
| systemdlete | but for some reason, I am having this issue. I have compiled and linked statically, so it can't be a shared library issue. | 03:43 |
| systemdlete | (which is why I did that in the first place!) | 03:43 |
| systemdlete | I'm guessing the issue might be either with my own code, somehow, or with the terminfo definitions, many of which give very garbled renderings of line-drawn screens. | 03:44 |
| systemdlete | xterm-256color works well in xterm, and to a large extent, in the console with the same TERM=xterm-256color | 03:45 |
| systemdlete | It seems to be narrowing down to just the locally-mixed color I've created. | 03:46 |
| systemdlete | I think I'll tke this one-man convo over to ncurses support... | 03:46 |
| ted-ious | Installing zfs and dracut on a brand new daedalus server build fails with a lot of errors including missing systemd complaints. | 07:51 |
| al1r4d | huh, zfs depends on systemd? | 08:07 |
| ted-ious | It's not supposed to but debian may have decided to mess with us. | 08:25 |
| mason | ted-ious: If you use custom packages, it ought to work fine. | 15:57 |
| mason | https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Developer%20Resources/Custom%20Packages.html#debian-and-ubuntu | 15:58 |
| mason | I run it without systemd unproblematically. | 15:58 |
| mason | Some things insist on having libsystemd0 for build but then work fine with libelogind0 once built, and it'd be nice to expunge this entirely, but that's a different issue. | 15:59 |
| Kitty | why is ispell and friends installed in a base install ? | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | Kitty, I have two questions for you. 1 - what is a base install? 2 - what does 'aptitude why ispell' tell you? | 18:36 |
| snorkcamp | I'm only guessing, but I suspect Kitty's "base install" might be similar to mine, which is a netinstall with only standard system utils. | 18:40 |
| snorkcamp | The "why" of ispell is iamerican on my Daedalus system. | 18:41 |
| snorkcamp | I also wish the spellcheck packages were not considered a standard system util, and usually remove them. | 18:42 |
| Xenguy | Both ispell and aspell are installed here | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | Yeah, that does seem odd. I assumed they came with desktop install. | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | I think you can avoid them by installing without Recommends | 19:32 |
| jonadab | Has anyone managed to get mate-panel to run on daedalus? | 19:54 |
| jonadab | Also, has anyone figured out how to configure/theme Qt on daedalus (without running it in plasma)? | 19:54 |
| jonadab | The QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME environment variable appears to be broken, or the secret magic incantation has changed. | 19:57 |
| gnarface | jonadab: what value is it set to on yours? | 19:58 |
| jonadab | gnarface: Originally qt5ct. I tried qt6ct (and reboot) to no avail. | 19:59 |
| jonadab | (And yes, running qt6ct and setting the theme there.) | 19:59 |
| gnarface | jonadab: mine is set to gtk2, i dunno if that helps at all. i don't really bother with qt themes anymore | 20:00 |
| jonadab | Hmm, was not aware that was an option. | 20:00 |
| gnarface | i assume there's some graphical utility you can run to edit stuff properly | 20:00 |
| jonadab | I'll try that, if I find any answers about mate-panel. | 20:00 |
| jonadab | gnarface: One would think, but if so, it's being kept super hushed up. | 20:01 |
| gnarface | i also have QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk2 set | 20:01 |
| gnarface | dunno why | 20:01 |
| gnarface | i've been upgrading this system for literal decades | 20:01 |
| jonadab | This one was originally a jessie install; currently it's chimaera. (I used dd to copy it to a second physical drive for the daedalus upgrade; glad I did; currently I am back on chimaera for the moment.) | 20:02 |
| gnarface | my themeing focus has been almost entirely gtk* or efl stuff, so that might have something to do with it, but i never set these variables myself | 20:02 |
| jonadab | I think the oldest continuously maintained system I have, was originally a sarge install. | 20:04 |
| jonadab | But that's a server, so no GUI junk. GUIs are far more fragile in the face up upgrades, in my experience. | 20:04 |
| gnarface | yes, that's true | 20:04 |
| snorkcamp | My [perhaps misguided] impression of the way tasksel works in an install is that if you select nothing, you should get a working system that has just enough of Linux to use as a basis for a build-your-own system. | 20:05 |
| snorkcamp | Some of the things that don't sound like basic Linux framework to me, but which are installed when you netinstall with nothing selected include: bluetooth, bluez, iamerican, ibritish, ispell, laptop-detect, perl-base, wamerican, wireless-tools, and wpasupplicant. | 20:05 |
| jonadab | snorkcamp: You need everything that's a dependency for the package manager (apt). | 20:06 |
| gnarface | hmm, bluetooth does look weird in that list | 20:06 |
| jonadab | Otherwise you'd be using an embedded-focused or stripped-down distro like tomsrtbt or whatnot. | 20:06 |
| snorkcamp | Sure, I get that, but spellcheckers and wifi can't possibly be a dependency of apt... are they? | 20:06 |
| jonadab | Not sure why ispell is there, but probably something lists it as a dependency due to being linked against it unnecessarily? | 20:07 |
| gnarface | i could see wifi being a dependency if you set up networking with it in a previous step | 20:07 |
| jonadab | Networking is conceptually a dependency for installing packages because the normal way to do it is to download them from an online repo. | 20:07 |
| jonadab | *Theoretically* you could use distro CDs, but who does that anymore. | 20:08 |
| gnarface | snorkcamp: did you configure wifi during the network setup phase? hardware detection may apply to the dependency list it generates. | 20:08 |
| gnarface | so it might have some stuff included just because of which drivers got loaded | 20:09 |
| gnarface | (theoretically anyway, not sure if it does that) | 20:09 |
| gnarface | there also could be newly included packages due to "Recommends" being on by default now | 20:10 |
| jonadab | There is also an unfortunate tendency to list _supported_ libraries as dependencies, I think because the optionality of linking against them is build-time and the package system and developers don't want to deal with all the permuations of what the software can be linked against. | 20:10 |
| jonadab | There ought to be a way to make the link optional at run time, but I think that might require redesigning C. | 20:11 |
| jonadab | Which is why you get stuff like desktop environments depending on fax libraries. | 20:12 |
| jonadab | apt, however, should really have minimal dependencies to the extent that is practical, for obvious reasons. | 20:13 |
| snorkcamp | Sorry, phone call... I did the install on a VirtualBox VM with only an Intel 82371 NIC, no wifi at all. | 20:25 |
| snorkcamp | As for the spell checker and dictionaries, that just seems way out in left field. | 20:25 |
| snorkcamp | It doesn't even come with bash-completion... I can't see a spell checker being of any use. LAWL | 20:26 |
| snorkcamp | And bluetooth? That's crazy talk. :-) | 20:27 |
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