| ksx4system | gnarface, well it works but now I've got mediocre performance | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| ksx4system | VPN connects but anything in LAN just times out | 00:22 |
| gnarface | huh | 00:23 |
| gnarface | i just sign my own keys | 00:23 |
| gnarface | i don't really need anyone else to trust them | 00:23 |
| gnarface | i wonder why it'd be so much slower though | 00:26 |
| gnarface | use too long of a key length maybe? | 00:26 |
| gnarface | i think sometimes embedded hardware may hit a performance wall at a certain key length | 00:26 |
| gnarface | or if for example you were relying on hardware acceleration and changing the algorithm means its also no longer compatible with the hardware unit | 00:27 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't expect such a problem with a modern desktop but some embedded ARM device could be a different story | 00:28 |
| hightower2 | Hey I'm trying to do a clean install of Daedalus. It finds the wifi ssid, but when I type in the pw, nothing happens and it brings me back to the wifi network selection. In the console it says: Network chosen: <SSID>. Proceeding to connect. Couldn't connect to wpasupplicant. | 00:44 |
| hightower2 | Any hints? | 00:44 |
| gnarface | hightower2: first guess would be that you need a wifi firmware package for your hardware for the driver to work right | 00:45 |
| hightower2 | isn't it included in the install media? | 00:46 |
| gnarface | uh, yea i would think so honestly. did you use it successfully during install? | 00:46 |
| hightower2 | I would think this is not the issue. When it says cant connect to wpasupplicant. | 00:47 |
| gnarface | if you configured the wifi during install i'd expect that configuration to have carried over to the install, but if you didn't then you might still be missing the packages. you might even be missing wpasupplicant in that case | 00:47 |
| hightower2 | no I mean, this is a problem *during* install | 00:48 |
| gnarface | OH | 00:48 |
| gnarface | well how new is the hardware? | 00:48 |
| gnarface | if the wifi device is very new, (less than 6 months old) the firmware might not even be in Debian yet | 00:48 |
| hightower2 | old hardware... at least 10-12 years | 00:48 |
| gnarface | hrm.... | 00:48 |
| gnarface | sure your capslock key wasn't on when you typed the wifi password? | 00:49 |
| hightower2 | yes, the pw is printed in the field, not masked | 00:49 |
| hightower2 | but OK, I'm gonna do the install without network, then see what can I save after I boot into the system | 00:50 |
| hightower2 | hah, then it bailed with Failed to find codename for the release | 00:50 |
| hightower2 | hm, went to do 'cmp' of the netinst iso and usb stick, and already at byte 4xx there was some mismatch. Gonna try write the media once more. | 00:53 |
| gnarface | hightower2: wait, two sanity checks first... 1) which exact ISO are you using, and 2) exactly how are you writing the media? | 00:55 |
| gnarface | but yea usually i'd suggest using ethernet to install and then fix the wifi afterwards | 00:56 |
| hightower2 | the daedalus netinst iso from one of https mirrors, and I am writing with dd | 00:56 |
| gnarface | show me the exact dd command | 00:56 |
| hightower2 | dd bs=2M if=devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso of=/dev/xvdi status=progress | 00:56 |
| gnarface | add "conv=fsync" to the end, and remove "bs=2M" entirely | 00:56 |
| hightower2 | it was an error on the media. New/repeated write and cmp worked fine | 00:56 |
| gnarface | i understand that, that's why i said: | 00:57 |
| gnarface | add "conv=fsync" to the end, and remove "bs=2M" entirely | 00:57 |
| hightower2 | I won't remove bs=2M because without it it writes in blocks of 512b, which is terribly slow | 00:57 |
| hightower2 | but now it's fine, cmp confirmed | 00:57 |
| gnarface | i guarantee you it's in your head | 00:57 |
| gnarface | bs=2M is snakeoil | 00:57 |
| gnarface | sometimes it even corrupts the write | 00:57 |
| gnarface | but even in blocks of 1b it would already be going as fast as the flash media could handle | 00:57 |
| gnarface | bs=2M might even slow it down | 00:57 |
| gnarface | but also, if you don't have "conv=fsync" then you have to run "sync" after dd to make sure it actually all wrote. system write back cache can sabotage it, especially for larger images | 00:58 |
| gnarface | trust me, i do this a lot | 00:58 |
| hightower2 | that's not true (what you say about speed of writing to USB stick with default 512 block size). But thanks for discussion/help. I confirmed that data on the media now is identical to the iso image on disk, so should be fine. Yes, I do run 'sync' afterwards | 00:59 |
| gnarface | you might get faster write speeds initially, but that's only burst write, once the device's cache is exhausted peformance falls back to normal | 00:59 |
| gnarface | and all you do is defer the actual write until the "sync" step | 01:00 |
| gnarface | total elapsed time won't be any faster | 01:00 |
| gnarface | not for regular usb flash keys anyway | 01:00 |
| gnarface | something like a SSD, that would be a different story | 01:00 |
| gnarface | with a SSD go ahead and set bs=8M if you want | 01:01 |
| gnarface | but it's not a apples-to-apples comparison | 01:01 |
| gnarface | (maybe bs=1b was an exaggeration but in general, making it larger than the physical block size of USB/SD/microSD flash is useless, and occasionally harmful) | 01:02 |
| gnarface | (note that for reads that is also different, these caveats are only for writing to the flash) | 01:03 |
| hightower2 | the error with wpasupplicant remained the same... hm hm. | 01:04 |
| gnarface | did you finish the install this time | 01:04 |
| gnarface | ? | 01:04 |
| gnarface | so you're getting the error from wpasupplicant inside a booted install? | 01:04 |
| hightower2 | no, also during install. But I did see in the console that it loaded the firmware | 01:04 |
| gnarface | oh, well if you finish the install then you can check the /var/log/daemon.log to see more about what it's complaining about | 01:04 |
| hightower2 | install works at this time. Will check after boot then | 01:06 |
| gnarface | were you able to use ethernet? | 01:06 |
| hightower2 | no, just installing the minimal thing without network at all | 01:07 |
| gnarface | just to make sure it's not a known and already fixed bug, if you can, i'd recommend updating over ethernet first before trying to fix the wifi | 01:07 |
| gnarface | that should be as easy to do after first boot | 01:07 |
| hightower2 | yeah only have wifi here... that's been pestering me for a long time. I think I'll need to add a normal ethernet switch and a gateway to wifi. So that devices think they're on ethernet | 01:09 |
| hightower2 | hah, after booting into the system, wifi connected just fine | 01:14 |
| gnarface | that's fucking weird | 01:14 |
| gnarface | i'll keep an ear out for that happening to anyone else | 01:14 |
| gnarface | these installers are pretty new and most of us didn't actually use them because we just upgraded existing installs | 01:15 |
| hightower2 | since I chose 'dont use network mirror' because of this, could you paste me the sources.list for a network version? | 01:15 |
| gnarface | yea no problem, stand by | 01:15 |
| hightower2 | I think the installer was not that... whatever the new one is, but was debian-installer | 01:16 |
| gnarface | https://paste.debian.net/1292183/ | 01:16 |
| hightower2 | or at least it looked identical to d-i | 01:16 |
| gnarface | (the relevant section from my sources.list ^) | 01:16 |
| gnarface | yes, our installers are based on d-i | 01:16 |
| gnarface | every effort was made to preserve all expected behavior, which also means there's a strong chance the bug you saw also exists in the Debian one | 01:17 |
| hightower2 | ah yes thank you, missed the /merged | 01:17 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: have you heard anything about wifi connections failing in the installer but mysteriously working after first boot with no further changes or even updates??? | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I've had some problems installing over wifi | 01:18 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: hightower2 is seeing it too | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | seems the installer doesn't like special characters in the wpa2 password | 01:19 |
| gnarface | ah, i see | 01:19 |
| gnarface | hightower2: ^^^ | 01:19 |
| hightower2 | my pass only had things like -, !, and # . Do those count as 'special'? | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | I had success two ways: 1. disable wireless encryption, or 2. change pass to all lower case | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | yeah, probably | 01:19 |
| hightower2 | (and some uppercase) | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | you can change it back after the install | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure abouit upper case | 01:20 |
| gnarface | hightower2: i'd suspect # first, because that's a comment character in the shell | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | and if you select a keymap other than US English, I don't know what happens. | 01:20 |
| hightower2 | US keyb | 01:20 |
| hightower2 | On a side note, I wasn't really paying attention lately, is submitting patches to Debian for init-agnostic system going well (are DDs sensible to this?), or it's basically all separate because they don't wanna discuss? | 01:25 |
| hightower2 | On a side note, I wasn't really paying attention lately, is submitting patches to Debian for init-agnostic system going well (are DDs sensible to this?), or it's basically all separate because they don't wanna discuss? | 01:25 |
| hightower2 | (sorry wrong term , arrow up + enter ) | 01:26 |
| gnarface | ah well, how it's going is that when they randomly notice an sysvinit script still existing in a Debian package, they remove it and then we find out when our users complain | 01:26 |
| gnarface | so, badly, to put it succinctly | 01:26 |
| hightower2 | :( | 01:26 |
| hightower2 | but well, thanks to Devuan :) | 01:27 |
| mason | hightower2: /join #debian-init | 01:27 |
| mason | There are DDs maintaining all the sysvinit stuff, and fixing things as they break. | 01:27 |
| mason | s/break/are broken/ | 01:27 |
| mason | Ah, sorry, should mention that it's on OFTC. | 01:28 |
| hightower2 | I know the camp is over there, no worries :-) | 01:29 |
| hightower2 | mmm... xmonad is not installable, says Breaks: x11-utils < 7.7+6, but 7.7+5 is to be installed | 01:43 |
| hightower2 | strange, after I manually installed x11-utils 7.7+5, it did want to install xmonad afterwards | 01:47 |
| gnarface | odd | 01:47 |
| gnarface | saw a similar issue with a different package yesterday | 01:48 |
| hightower2 | but, I noticed that I had package luit installed, which is set to Conflicts/Replaces x11-utils | 01:48 |
| hightower2 | but it's not a replacement, the description of the package says it's something for fonts or whatever | 01:48 |
| hightower2 | (and luit got removed as part of my installing x11-utils) | 01:49 |
| hightower2 | mmm, one more issue... When I run startx from the console, it opens X on the vt rather than the next unused one | 02:20 |
| gnarface | been that way for a while, expected behavior i think now | 02:23 |
| gnarface | might depend on whether you're running Xorg suid root or not, not sure | 02:24 |
| gnarface | hmm, don't think so though | 02:24 |
| gnarface | but i think also some people are still reporting it opening on #7 by default so not sure what changes that | 02:24 |
| al1r4d | hmm | 02:32 |
| hightower2 | but yeah must have something to do with permissions, because if I manually specify vt7, it tells me no permission to open | 02:35 |
| hightower2 | (which is probably why it falls back to opening on itself, on the only one on which it does have permission) | 02:35 |
| gnarface | i do know that most the drivers have switched to defaulting to opening as the user instead of suid root now, but i thought the default vt# change happened some time before that | 02:36 |
| gnarface | i think there must be some other variable, but possibly related to that change | 02:37 |
| ddl | So I improved openibis, called it openibis-org, and bounced it off the idea-generating wall of Matrix (element.io client). | 05:00 |
| ddl | It is officialized as dpptp (for Digital Point-to-Point Tunnelling Protocol). | 05:01 |
| gnarface | what's openibis now? | 05:01 |
| ddl | the irccloud-libera link technology | 05:02 |
| gnarface | oh, i see | 05:02 |
| ddl | libera chat, rather | 05:03 |
| ddl | I really enjoyed working with you guys over the years. | 05:03 |
| ddl | openibis-org (dpptp) is currently on a sorta covered display at shutdown.chat | 05:04 |
| ddl | we are having FUN now aren't we :::DDD | 05:05 |
| gnarface | indeed | 05:07 |
| ddl | doctor says I'm in kinda bad health | 05:16 |
| ddl | (as always) I'm my own best first opinion and it doesn't look great. | 05:17 |
| ddl | So, to summarize, openibis (a.k.a. sehlink). This one, openings-org (or, dpptp, as official name) is to be amalgamized as the underpinning for arin and the tool whois, between the D.A.R.P.A. -net and Die Nederlandi Police internal-external buffer extensible interlinked networks, globally. | 05:23 |
| ddl | We shall return. | 05:23 |
| ddl | ukine said so, and that's kinda strange, now, isn't it. please trust me. | 05:28 |
| [-_-] | rwp: thanks | 09:14 |
| [-_-] | Hiiii | 10:36 |
| [-_-] | how to reload fstab? | 10:36 |
| [-_-] | in a systemd system it was systemctl daemon-reload | 10:37 |
| DPA | [-_-]: There is no need to reload fstab. Without systemd, no mount units need to be generated from it, so they do not need to be regenerated. You can, however, mount all entries in fstab using "mount -a", if that is what you want to do. This will not unmount any existing mounts. | 10:59 |
| DPA | To remount an existing mount, use "mount -o remount /pathh/to/mountpoint" | 11:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe you do that even with systemd | 11:11 |
| [-_-] | but I can't seem to mount as non root user | 11:48 |
| [-_-] | sorry, it works | 11:49 |
| [-_-] | the path was wrong | 11:49 |
| [-_-] | :D | 11:49 |
| [-_-] | thanks DPA | 11:53 |
| helmut | hi. is there someone who'd discuss Devuan+/usr-merge with me without shooting me? context is that I'm (commercially) working on getting rid of the ctte moratorium on the Debian side and https://subdivi.de/~helmut/dep17.html describes what we're up to. I'd like to understand how that Debian side affects Devuan and what we can reasonably do on the Debian side to make this least painful to you. In particular, | 12:14 |
| helmut | I think you should set up a copy of https://salsa.debian.org/helmutg/dumat | 12:15 |
| helmut | I'm also fine with taking this to email. Would you tell me which list would be most appropriate? | 12:16 |
| [-_-] | guys, I can't read a directory eventhough I am part of the group owning the directory | 12:48 |
| [-_-] | I zeroed all the permissions of the user and other, only group has read write and execute permissions | 12:49 |
| [-_-] | brb | 12:54 |
| [-_-] | solved, I just had to log back in | 12:58 |
| helmut | Is this the right channel to discuss how /usr-merge affects Devuan at all? | 13:00 |
| [-_-] | hard to say, prolly | 13:06 |
| DelTomix | helmut: I think its great that you are getting input from us, this seems like the right channel or perhaps the ones at #devuan-dev might be more focused on the topic | 13:06 |
| DelTomix | Quiet time of day I think :) | 13:07 |
| helmut | DelTomix: thank you. I'll wait for input here. | 13:18 |
| ballsxd | hey guys, im having some difficulties withj prosody and openrc. upon starting the prosody service it echos a success. but upon checking with servicediscovery (xep 0030) it says that my server has timed out. is this some openrc bug? | 14:28 |
| gnarface | ballsxd: did you try it as root? | 14:30 |
| ballsxd | yes i have | 14:32 |
| ballsxd | it might have to do something with tls certificates failing im looking into it rn | 14:33 |
| gnarface | i don't know much about prosody or really openrc, but someone around here does | 14:34 |
| bb|hcb | helmut: #devuan is intended for support, #devuan-dev is better for discussing this topic, it is also publicly logged | 14:35 |
| ballsxd | it might aswell be a prosody issue. but figured may aswwell ask here | 14:36 |
| gnarface | well make sure it's actually running | 14:39 |
| gnarface | the most common two issues seem to be missing scripts or missing permissions | 14:39 |
| gnarface | sometimes just the status check is broken | 14:40 |
| ballsxd | can confirm status check was indeed broken | 14:53 |
| ballsxd | or rc-service just failed with shutting down prosody as i had to manually kill it | 14:54 |
| ballsxd | or prosody just isnt managed by openrc | 14:59 |
| russnes | I just did a fresh install of daedalus with encrypted hdd (single partition with boot). My computer wasn't able to automatically find a bootable device, so I had to manually select the EFI file for starting the GRUB unlock. Anything I can do about that? | 16:01 |
| russnes | Also, I had to enter my password twice, to unlock the partition after unlocking in grub | 16:02 |
| fsmithred | the double password entry is normal behavior | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | I don't think I've tried encrypted /boot with uefi, so I'm not sure what the problem might be. | 16:14 |
| hagbard | You can have a keyfile on your encrypted /boot, to automatically unlock your / partition. That way it possible to boot with entering a passphrase just once. | 16:18 |
| hagbard | But if / and /boot is the same partition, this should not be necessary. | 16:19 |
| hagbard | I think i used this tutorial for encrypted /boot a long time ago: https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html It has a chapter "Avoiding the extra password prompt" | 16:21 |
| hagbard | russnes ^ | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | russnes, is this a hardware install or a VM? | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | in qemu and vbox I often have to select the uefi boot file | 16:22 |
| fsmithred | maybe you need to set up efi stub bootloading. I'm pretty sure there's a discussion of that at dev1galaxy.org | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | I gotta go. | 16:34 |
| public-static | hey, is there anything i should know about before trying to use efibootmgr instead of grub after installing devuan with debootstrap? | 17:00 |
| russnes | fsmithred: hardware | 17:43 |
| [-_-] | guys, I may have created these by mistake when setting the system up in /root directory | 18:04 |
| [-_-] | http://sprunge.us/1lg2ga?text | 18:04 |
| [-_-] | what do I do? | 18:04 |
| [-_-] | should I attempt to cleanup? how do I do that :D | 18:04 |
| micdud | what is wrong with gnome and user switching (besides crashing) , apps like firefox from one user can migrate to another ? (running nvidia drivers and nonwayland gnome0 | 21:11 |
| gnarface | micdud: there's some issue, don't think it's gnome specific. rrq was soliciting feedback from volunteers to test some packages from experimental as a potential fix. | 21:30 |
| micdud | soliciting here or somewhere specific with a paper/byte trail ? | 21:34 |
| Helenah | I'm wanting to compile the latest kernel with this defconfig https://github.com/vgist/KernelConfig-Gentoo/blob/7d46179f7a162c8279f16ebc02f19c6306776a08/x230/x230_5.15_defconfig I'm assuming that it would probably work but I want to know how Devuan differs from Gentoo that I would need to change in the defconfig | 21:35 |
| Helenah | https://github.com/vgist/KernelConfig-Gentoo/blob/7d46179f7a162c8279f16ebc02f19c6306776a08/x230/x230_5.15_defconfig | 21:35 |
| micdud | <Helenah> unless gentoo rolls with custom kernels , it should not be a problem , but messing with kernel option without knowing what they do could be . | 21:37 |
| micdud | and applying a whole config from one version of kernel to another will deffenatly lead to problems , unless you know how to diff out the exact parts you need | 21:41 |
| gnarface | micdud: yes, it should be in the channel logs a couple times over the last few days | 21:41 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: no guarantees i can help but use paste.debian.net and i'll actually take a look | 21:43 |
| [-_-] | hi | 21:43 |
| [-_-] | okay, but why not any other, what is wrong with 0x0 ? | 21:43 |
| gnarface | Helenah: is there no equivalent defconfig in the debian kernel source package? why specifically do you think you need some unofficial gentoo one? | 21:43 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: cause i don't wanna | 21:44 |
| [-_-] | you have an automated script for paste.debian.net ? | 21:45 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: no, but i believe pastebinit can be reconfigured to use it. you can just /msg it to me here too | 21:45 |
| [-_-] | okay, I am facing issues with trash | 21:48 |
| Helenah | gnarface: Because I wanted a minimal kernel that supports some specifics I need. And was hoping I didn't have to go on a full blown analysis of my hardware. | 21:49 |
| Helenah | Just checking how image stuff to do with Devuan. | 21:49 |
| [-_-] | I have gvfs installed, smth starts gvfsd upon start of Xorg (openbox) (startx) | 21:49 |
| [-_-] | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1292266 | 21:50 |
| [-_-] | this is the output of gio | 21:50 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: oh, well that's just two short lines. you could have pasted that in-channel. also, as i've got no gio experience i probably can't help, but do you think maybe it's a permissions issue? those are common | 21:51 |
| [-_-] | I don't know how gio works, so I can't tell | 21:52 |
| gnarface | Helenah: well, you really should. you can "apt-get source linux-image-amd64" and compare the defconfigs though if you want instead | 21:52 |
| gnarface | Helenah: (or "apt-get source [the right kernel package]" | 21:53 |
| gnarface | ) | 21:53 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: well, does it work normally as root but not any other users? | 21:53 |
| [-_-] | I have not tried to use it as root | 21:53 |
| [-_-] | lemme try | 21:54 |
| [-_-] | same output, operation not supported | 21:54 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: are you sure you're calling it right? | 21:54 |
| [-_-] | gio? yeah | 21:54 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 21:55 |
| gnarface | well, stick around, maybe someone knows. i've never used it... | 21:55 |
| [-_-] | can't say about gvfsd, I don't even know what launches it, when I was in tty, it was not started | 21:55 |
| [-_-] | it started after openbox session | 21:55 |
| gnarface | it might be your session manager, try "aptitude why gvfsd" or "apt-cache rdepeneds gvfsd" | 21:56 |
| micdud | what was the exact question about gvfsd ? | 21:56 |
| [-_-] | micdud: can't get trash to work | 21:59 |
| micdud | i did you install the backends ? | 21:59 |
| [-_-] | they are installed | 21:59 |
| [-_-] | gvfs-backends | 21:59 |
| micdud | what was your devuan install sequence ? just install desktop ? or did you do a custom job ? | 22:00 |
| [-_-] | custom, totally | 22:01 |
| micdud | gvfs-fuse ? | 22:01 |
| [-_-] | current config is from my arch setup, still trying to get everything to as it was | 22:01 |
| [-_-] | aye, that is also started, iirc | 22:01 |
| micdud | let me check my notes | 22:02 |
| [-_-] | you guys note stuff!? | 22:03 |
| [-_-] | do you note full sequence or just like on this day I did this and these were the issues and those were fixed using xyz ? | 22:04 |
| micdud | (/usr/share/gvfs/mounts) edit files there ... (/usr/share/dbus-1/services) move to ./disabled there | 22:04 |
| micdud | no i had this problem before | 22:04 |
| micdud | i do but those two folder is where i disable/enable gvfs/dbus backends | 22:05 |
| micdud | gvfs services do not have /etc/rc scripts but have dbus launchers in those folders | 22:06 |
| micdud | does trash not exist in apps/file manager or exist but wont do anything when you click on it , and how about the trash icon ? | 22:06 |
| micdud | gvfs gvfs-fuse gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-lib gvfs-backends ( is what i have installed on daedalus and everything works ) did not tweak anything | 22:08 |
| micdud | i had this issue with chimaera a while back ,do anot remember exact fix | 22:09 |
| [-_-] | micdud: trash don't exist in thunar | 22:09 |
| [-_-] | pcmanfm has built in trash shortcut | 22:10 |
| [-_-] | but that don't work | 22:10 |
| [-_-] | and also this https://paste.debian.net/plain/1292266 | 22:10 |
| [-_-] | lemme login logout | 22:10 |
| [-_-] | brb in 2 mints | 22:10 |
| micdud | view/side-pannel/shortcuts right click on places/places is trash there ? | 22:11 |
| [-_-] | okay, I tried to create a org.gtk.vfs.Trash.service file here | 22:13 |
| [-_-] | with /usr/libexec/gvfsd-trash as the executable | 22:14 |
| [-_-] | did not work | 22:14 |
| gnarface | micdud> view/side-pannel/shortcuts right click on places/places is trash there ? | 22:14 |
| micdud | and more detailed users shell # gio mount -l | 22:15 |
| [-_-] | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1292267 | 22:17 |
| micdud | thats all ? | 22:17 |
| [-_-] | same output for root | 22:17 |
| [-_-] | yeah | 22:17 |
| micdud | gvfsd running ? | 22:17 |
| [-_-] | it is, it doesn't show up for ps -a | 22:18 |
| micdud | are you startx type of a person ? | 22:18 |
| [-_-] | yeah | 22:18 |
| micdud | hahaha | 22:18 |
| micdud | get youseld sli or lightdm installed atleast | 22:18 |
| micdud | sli-slim | 22:18 |
| micdud | here is my sequence / install devuan custom/advanced and only select basic system and console tools no desktop stuff | 22:19 |
| micdud | once rebooted after install install xfce-desktop task / preselectng slim or lightdm in aptitude , and after you select the task sfce , then delect all the crud that drags in that yo know you can live without | 22:21 |
| micdud | or , 5 times more complicated is figuring out a sequence of what to install with apt and --no-install-recommends | 22:22 |
| [-_-] | gnarface: no, trash is not there for thunar | 22:22 |
| micdud | even openss-server will bring in xorg stuff if installed without --no-install-recommends | 22:22 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: i don't really know what's going on with this. my only guesses at this point are 1) maybe you need to access it as the user that's actually running it 2) maybe it's not actually running after all | 22:23 |
| micdud | psgrep gvfsd | 22:23 |
| micdud | pgrep gvfsd | 22:24 |
| micdud | anything there ? | 22:24 |
| micdud | gvfsd is started with desktop stuff by display managers | 22:24 |
| micdud | if you are rolling your own startx scripts , then you are on your own | 22:25 |
| [-_-] | $ pgrep gvfs | 22:25 |
| [-_-] | 7383 | 22:25 |
| [-_-] | 7390yfaoe | 22:25 |
| micdud | gvfs or gvfs ? | 22:26 |
| micdud | gvfsd | 22:26 |
| [-_-] | $ pgrep gvfsd | 22:26 |
| [-_-] | 7383 | 22:26 |
| [-_-] | 7390 | 22:26 |
| [-_-] | one is gvfsd-fuse, the other one is gvfsd | 22:26 |
| gnarface | do they say they're running as the same user you ran startx with? | 22:27 |
| micdud | and gvfs-trash is strted with dbus , is dbus installed ? | 22:27 |
| gnarface | i was gonna guess dbus nex | 22:28 |
| gnarface | *next | 22:28 |
| micdud | man , this sounds like coming from slackware 15 years ago type of a config :) , just install this stuff with task , not a package at a time :) | 22:29 |
| micdud | aptitude is your friend | 22:29 |
| [-_-] | yeah, dbus is there | 22:29 |
| [-_-] | I think xfce4-panel starts gvfs | 22:30 |
| [-_-] | since I use xfce4-panel | 22:30 |
| micdud | reinstall from scratch , uses my sequence if you dont just want to install desktop and then prune what is not needed | 22:30 |
| micdud | no it does not | 22:30 |
| [-_-] | udixie ? | 22:30 |
| micdud | i think it it auto launches by dbus | 22:31 |
| [-_-] | aight, thanks micdud & gnarface | 22:31 |
| [-_-] | one more thing | 22:31 |
| micdud | because it exists in those 2 folder i pasted earlier | 22:31 |
| [-_-] | do you guys use fbterm ? | 22:31 |
| [-_-] | I can't seem to use it | 22:32 |
| [-_-] | nah, drop it, will talk about it some other day | 22:32 |
| [-_-] | prolly tomorrow, thanks again for helping micdud & gnarface | 22:33 |
| [-_-] | I still don't understand what is wrong with other paste services | 22:33 |
| [-_-] | not like I am using pastebin.com | 22:33 |
| micdud | try in virtual machines to get you sequence trimmed from basic desktop install to a trimmed down lance armstrong | 22:34 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: i have paranoia with cause. don't overthink it. | 22:34 |
| [-_-] | okay, good day guys | 22:34 |
| micdud | <gnarface> these gnome/desktop bugs we talked about earlier , would they be fixed in devuan, or just reported upstream to debian ? | 23:08 |
| gnarface | micdud: you talking about the VT switching problem? i'm not sure if that's getting pushed upstream or not, as i'm not sure if it only affects us or not. in general, policy would be to report upstream to debian anything we think they won't just blame on us. | 23:10 |
| gnarface | micdud: (i'm not sure it's even known if it only affects us or not, as it's not affecting me) | 23:11 |
| gnarface | micdud: hang on, lemme paste from my history | 23:11 |
| gnarface | <rrq> CALL FOR TESTERS: if you run startx as non-root, using daedalus and ceres, you are invited to test the devuan/experimental build and send feedback to LeePen or rrq .. it's a version that is happy about VT switching (supported by eit\ | 23:12 |
| gnarface | her seatd or elogind), but we want more confirming tests. | 23:12 |
| gnarface | xserver-xorg-core and (dependecncy) xserver-xorg-common | 23:12 |
| gnarface | with seource.list line added, it'd be: apt-get install -t experimental xserver-xorg-core | 23:12 |
| gnarface | the sources.list line is: deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan experimental main | 23:12 |
| gnarface | micdud: ^ here. dunno what the status of this is currently | 23:12 |
| gnarface | people started complaining a few days ago and rrq has been trying to drum up volunteer testers | 23:13 |
| gnarface | whatever is causing it though, somehow i'm immune | 23:13 |
| micdud | ok ill do a few more concrete tests , but i saw firefox and another dock jump users on me today with gdm/gnome | 23:14 |
| gnarface | so i assume it's a video driver issue, fundamentally | 23:14 |
| micdud | not neccesaraly , i have opened x apps before by accident an other users desktops before | 23:14 |
| micdud | x protocol and displays can do that | 23:15 |
| gnarface | hmm, maybe you're not even having the same issue i thought. the other people are complaining that when they try to switch back to X, the screen is blank/frozen | 23:15 |
| micdud | ok ,thanx again | 23:27 |
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