| tmg1|michelson | so i'm trying to follow https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace | 00:26 |
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| tmg1|michelson | and gcc failed part way through the 'apt -b source monero' part. | 00:27 |
| tmg1|michelson | gcc said to report it using -freport-bug | 00:29 |
| tmg1|michelson | actually i think i found what i'm looking for | 00:32 |
| tmg1|michelson | thansk | 00:32 |
| debdog | yw! | 00:35 |
| buZz | rubberducky wins again :) | 02:17 |
| entirelinux | hallo, ich bin das erste mal hier. spricht man hier deutsch? | 12:12 |
| entirelinux | hello, first time here. is english the right language here? | 12:13 |
| fsmithred | yes, english is right the usual language, and sometimes you can be answered in german or spanixh or italian. | 12:15 |
| entirelinux | thank you | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | ask a question and the answer may come now or later. Hang around. | 12:16 |
| entirelinux | can someone give me some hints how to configure the greeter? I would like to see the desktops instead of toggling through and I would like to see the users to login. | 12:18 |
| entirelinux | to see the desktops in a list and choose | 12:18 |
| entirelinux | same to the users | 12:19 |
| entirelinux | what is the name of the greeter. it is not lightdm | 12:20 |
| entirelinux | I am from hamburg/germany. It might that someone is nearby? | 12:22 |
| fsmithred | slim | 12:22 |
| fsmithred | we have a few regulars in here from germany | 12:22 |
| fsmithred | if you don't like slim you can replace it with lightdm or other display manager | 12:23 |
| fsmithred | I think the config file is /etc/slim.conf | 12:23 |
| fsmithred | and it has key controls for selecting the desktop | 12:24 |
| onefang | If you are more comfortable with lightdm, you can use that instead of the default slim. | 12:27 |
| onefang | I prefer lxdm, it can be configured to have all sorts of options on screen. | 12:28 |
| entirelinux | now I understand the line "slim man" down in the greeter | 12:30 |
| entirelinux | but how to switch to letś say lxdm? Install lxdm in parallel? has devuan systemctl? | 12:35 |
| entirelinux | to stop slim and to start lxdm | 12:36 |
| onefang | Devuan has systemctl, which is a separate package. - "systemctl" is a replacement command to control system daemons without systemd. "systemctl" is useful in application containers where systemd is not available to start/stop services. | 12:44 |
| fsmithred | apt install lxdm | 12:49 |
| fsmithred | I think you will get a debconf dialog to set the default dm | 12:49 |
| fsmithred | if not, run 'dpkg-reconfigure lxdm' | 12:49 |
| fsmithred | or just remove slim should also do it | 12:50 |
| onefang | I would do these things from a virtual console with X logged out, coz it might pull the rug out from under X when you do that. | 12:50 |
| fsmithred | yeah, removing slim while it's running isn't a good idea | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | service stop slim | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | or | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | /etc/init.d/slim stop | 12:52 |
| entirelinux | so the save way is to stop slim with systemctl and to start lxdm with systemctl? | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | I've never used systemctl in devuan, but stop|start|restart commands are common | 12:54 |
| fsmithred | I've changed the default dm while I'm on the desktop many times - it takes effect when you log out and in again. | 12:55 |
| fsmithred | done it with slim, lightdm, lxdm | 12:56 |
| buZz | afaik 'enable' and 'disable' are for the 'on boot startup' | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | but that does not invovle uninstalling whichever one is currently running | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | do those work in devuan? | 12:56 |
| buZz | i believe so? | 12:56 |
| buZz | oh i dont have systemctl installed | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | I didn't even know we had systemctl until now | 12:57 |
| buZz | oh 'service' is what i used? | 12:57 |
| buZz | hmm | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | me too | 12:57 |
| onefang | I looked it up, hence the quote. | 12:57 |
| buZz | there's also 'update-rc.d' | 12:57 |
| buZz | i -think- thats the intended method? | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | yes, and there is sysv-rc-conf | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | for enabling/disabling in selected runlevels | 12:58 |
| onefang | sysv-rc-conf FTW. | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | the arrow-and-space-bar equivalent of point-and-click | 12:59 |
| entirelinux | now it becomes complicated for me | 13:01 |
| entirelinux | "service" is a command? | 13:01 |
| fsmithred | yes | 13:02 |
| entirelinux | so after install lxdm service stop slim, service start lxdm | 13:02 |
| fsmithred | yes | 13:02 |
| entirelinux | very nice | 13:02 |
| entirelinux | thank you | 13:02 |
| fsmithred | yw | 13:02 |
| onefang | Since you mentioned systemctl, you are probably familiar with it, you can install and use it. | 13:03 |
| entirelinux | I am not very experienced even that I use linux since 6 years. mostly I do not go deeper than synaptic | 13:04 |
| entirelinux | but I feel good with your hints | 13:04 |
| entirelinux | participating in your experience, good reason to stay with devuan | 13:05 |
| buZz | entirelinux: what really helped for me to learn linux is attempting to build a LFS ;) | 13:06 |
| buZz | and later , installing gentoo from scratch | 13:06 |
| djph | buZz: oh, that was fun. (LFS, not gentoo) | 13:06 |
| entirelinux | LFS? | 13:06 |
| buZz | :) | 13:06 |
| buZz | linux-from-scratch | 13:06 |
| buZz | basically 'can you install linux without it being a distro?' | 13:07 |
| buZz | short answer ; 'yes, but its pretty hard!' | 13:07 |
| onefang | In LFS you COMPILE Linux From Scratch. Also, drifting #devuan-offtopic. | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | doing a debootstrap install is also a good way to learn | 13:07 |
| entirelinux | until now I was happy to fill up missing packages for example in XFCE | 13:09 |
| entirelinux | to make my system running | 13:09 |
| buZz | fill them with what? | 13:09 |
| entirelinux | groups and users for example | 13:12 |
| entirelinux | gui | 13:12 |
| entirelinux | I know it is all possible from command line | 13:12 |
| entirelinux | but I like it graphical | 13:13 |
| brocashelm | refracta (based on devuan) uses lxdm by default and it is configured to be an xfce with no recommends installed | 13:13 |
| brocashelm | for graphical management of users/groups, something like mate-user-admin or gnome-system-tools would be installed | 13:14 |
| entirelinux | refracta is a desktop? | 13:16 |
| onefang | Refracta is fsmithred's version of Devuan. | 13:17 |
| buZz | entirelinux: i like learning the commandline methods as they usually work 'everywhere' | 13:17 |
| buZz | whereas gui stuff just works on machines with monitor and mouse, or at least some desktop running | 13:18 |
| buZz | most linux computers in the world dont have a desktop running :) | 13:18 |
| brocashelm | refracta is more ideal for a lightweight desktop than devuan imo, but you can install and customize whatever you want on either | 13:19 |
| djph | devuan netisnst with awesomewm has been my "desktop" here now since Beowulf | 13:20 |
| thollief | minor point about the 'service' command: it's 'service <service-name> start|stop|restart|status' | 13:20 |
| thollief | I keep getting it the wrong way around because ZFS is, for example, zpool import <pool-name>, zpool export <pool-name>. There's probably been flame wars about command-object-action vs. command-action-object formats. | 13:21 |
| entirelinux | ok thank you so far. see you soon. | 13:23 |
| brocashelm | bye | 13:23 |
| entirelinux | my children are calling for me | 13:23 |
| entirelinux | bye | 13:23 |
| Necrodiver | Was it a debian decision or a Devuan decision to remove lilo from the repos after beowulf? | 13:45 |
| onefang | There's no systemd dependency, and there is systemd's own booter, so I'd say it was Debians. | 13:47 |
| Necrodiver | ah lame, surprised no one decided to maintain it within the devuan repos | 13:47 |
| buZz | what would you want LILO for? | 13:48 |
| buZz | why not syslinux? | 13:48 |
| Necrodiver | for something not grub ;) | 13:48 |
| onefang | rEFInd if you are using EFI. | 13:48 |
| Necrodiver | oh i should try that on my dell | 13:48 |
| Necrodiver | thats efi | 13:48 |
| buZz | https://wiki.syslinux.org/ | 13:48 |
| Necrodiver | ty | 13:49 |
| buZz | syslinux does EFI too , afaik | 13:49 |
| Necrodiver | hmmm | 13:49 |
| onefang | Yep. | 13:49 |
| Necrodiver | i should use my dell with efi as a testbed for some stuff | 13:49 |
| buZz | msdos 3.11 ? | 13:49 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:49 |
| buZz | :) | 13:49 |
| onefang | rEFInd is great coz it figures out for itself what OSes you have it can boot. | 13:49 |
| Necrodiver | msdos 3.11 brings back memories. Damn im old now lol | 13:50 |
| buZz | oh cute | 13:50 |
| onefang | And it does that at boot time. | 13:50 |
| buZz | Necrodiver: the 'necro' part gave it away | 13:50 |
| onefang | lol | 13:50 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:50 |
| Necrodiver | i remember using wordperfect 5.0 because my mother had it on her pc way back when lol | 13:52 |
| buZz | wp5 was really a nice text editor | 13:52 |
| buZz | or is, i guess | 13:52 |
| onefang | Definitely #devuan-offtopic. | 13:53 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:53 |
| onefang | As for maintaining lilo, we need more people to take over more packages like that. | 13:54 |
| buZz | yeah, plz take wicd to python3 :D | 13:54 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:55 |
| onefang | Think someone is working on that. | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | :o | 13:55 |
| buZz | yeah, for 10 years already :D | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 13:55 |
| buZz | THEY ARENT MAKING HASTE | 13:55 |
| onefang | It's a wicd problem. B-) | 13:55 |
| buZz | eheh | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | i remember when i first tried ceres | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | and my internet connection didnt work | 13:55 |
| Necrodiver | i was going crazy, till in installed connman | 13:56 |
| Necrodiver | all because of python3 :/ | 13:57 |
| eyalroz | Hello Devuaners, | 23:52 |
| eyalroz | I've just asked this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/760170/34868 | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that will work. You should use a lightweight desktop or window manager to spare your ram. | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | I've got an asus EEE with daedalus on it. 2G ram with dual atom cpu. | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | It's a little slow and I wouldn't try any intensive computing on it, but it works. | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | I used 32-bit and selectively installed lxqt pieces. It uses about 220mb ram on the desktop. The 64-bit same package selection uses over 350. | 23:57 |
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