libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2023-12-24

ibanjaI have mirrored two drives on zfs pool backup. How do I get it to automount on boot?03:07
ibanjazfs pool is called 'backup' and it mounts on '/zfs'03:08
gnarfacei haven't messed much with zfs but normally you'd handle auto-mount from your /etc/fstab03:09
ibanjazfs is different. The systemd command is: systemctl enable zfs.target zfs-import.service zfs-mount.service03:12
ibanjaall answers these days seem to be systemd answers.03:12
ibanjaOK, that was easy. It just worked and mounted on reboot.03:26
cousin_luigieyalroz: Yeah, unfortunately I don't use debian/devuan in a graphical environment. Not sure how the package build flow works here.06:04
cousin_luigirwp: The package I've inherited has an internal time save feature for devices without RTC: do you think fake-hwclock would be a good replacement? https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/blob/main/debian/voyage-util.voyage-sync.init?ref_type=heads#L8806:08
rwpcousin_luigi, The advantage to fake-hwclock is that it is used by every Raspberry Pi, of which there are many, and a lot of other systems.  So it is a pretty well used package.  And it will happen at the right time in the system boot.  Better is to have an actual hwclock and avoid the problem.  But if your internal method works then it works.07:34
cousin_luigirwp: Makes sense. In fact I dropped that thing, which I had never used since 2007 or so.07:35
rwpWhat is "that thing"?  voyage-util/?07:36
cousin_luigirwp: The clock save feature of voyage-util. Perhaps you clicked on the link after I deleted everything.07:54
cousin_luigirwp: https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/commit/b270a056c87fa2586d4f6ce01d2a497d6ae1480807:55
rwpI clicked on the link and the save restore of time to a timestamp file was there.07:55
cousin_luigifake-hwclock seems more polished07:55
rwpThe problem is that "that thing" didn't really identify anything, and you said you hadn't used it since 2007, but it was still there so you were using it now, you can see the confusion.07:56
cousin_luigirwp: Sorry, done too many things and interacted with too many people in the last few days.08:03
rwpI understand.  People were not meant to talk to other people in December.  We were meant to hide from predator beasts, drink, and pray our autumn harvest will last us through the winter.  The Internet and food advanced preservation techniques has ruined us forever now.08:06
onefanglol08:13
xrogaanThe Release file in daedalus-security hasn't changed since the 21th of December: http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/daedalus-security/main/binary-amd64/11:46
xrogaanReceived multiple security bulletins since then.11:47
cousin_luigiHow come devuan is a point ahead of debian with the kernel?13:30
cousin_luigiI thought that was shared.13:30
xrogaanare you on testing?13:36
cousin_luigixrogaan: no13:37
xrogaancousin_luigi: the kernel are the same, so you might not be on stable. Or you have the backport kernel15:31
cousin_luigixrogaan: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/cdb111b2/ Can you explain this?15:52
xrogaancousin_luigi: yeah, I believe a mirror isn't updating.15:54
cousin_luigixrogaan: But a mirror is AHEAD15:54
cousin_luigiUnless...oh you mean on bookworm?15:55
xrogaanbookworm is 6.1.6715:55
cousin_luigixrogaan: https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/linux-image-amd6415:56
cousin_luigiWhere do you see 67?15:56
xrogaanit's in stable-proposed-update and stable-update15:56
cousin_luigiHow come the website doesn't reflect that yet?15:57
xrogaanit does: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux-signed-amd6415:58
xrogaanhttps://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=linux-signed-amd6415:59
cousin_luigioh16:00
xrogaandevuan: do you not handle some mirror?16:33
xrogaanhttps://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=chromium << security should be .12916:33
xrogaanhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=chromium&x=submit16:33
xrogaanbut the listing for daedalus-security is still .10916:34
xrogaanwait, which one is the stable channel again?16:34
xrogaanit's chimera. nevermind then16:34
xrogaanYeah, the mirror I am hitting is borked16:35
xrogaani   120.0.6099.109-1~deb12u1                                     stable-security                          50016:35
* blockhead scrolls up. there is an irc channel just for stable?17:22
golinuxblockhead: no17:24
salagoHi, i have lost all my saved money to FTX jews around 20000 dollars.19:18
salagoPlease help me live. Please help me.19:18
salagoBTC :   bc1q9vfmfwj6av9pxj50r6xyl652mwhqvw5ds86nw219:18
rwpDifficult to block that type of scammer.  Just a hit and run.19:29
n4diris is the second time i run in this error on old-stable: dpkg-deb: error: archive 'jjazzlab_4.0.1-1_amd64.deb' uses unknown compression for member 'control.tar.zst', giving up19:59
n4dirdpkg-deb: error: archive 'jjazzlab_4.0.1-1_amd64.deb' uses unknown compression for member 'control.tar.zst', giving up19:59
n4dirsorry for double quote.19:59
n4dirBesides unpacking and repacking the whole shebang is there a more easy approach to solve the problem (besides the obvious: upgrading to stable)20:00
fsmithredshould be zstd?20:08
fsmithredor maybe install zstd20:08
n4dirzstd is installed20:09
n4dirfor the other app (surge XT) i followed a guide, and it meant to unpack the deb, then untar a file, the put the whole thing back together. Which was not much fun20:10
n4dironly to find out 3 days later surge XT crashed due to other errors, and removed it again.20:10
fsmithredwhat does file say about control.tar.zst?20:11
n4dirwhew, how did you unpack a deb file again?20:12
n4dirjust "ar x" my history says20:13
n4dircontrol.tar.zst: Zstandard compressed data (v0.8+), Dictionary ID: None20:14
n4diroutput of "file"20:14
fsmithred1.21.18 <- dpkg with zstd support20:35
n4diris it in backports?20:35
n4diroh, i got them enabled. Doesn't look like it20:35
fsmithredgood question. chimaera has newer.20:35
fsmithredsorry, daedalus has newer20:36
n4diryou sure? I am non chimaera ... ah, you got it wrong20:36
n4dirwell, no biggie. Not sure how long i will run this old stable version.20:36
n4dirsurge XT would be nice, the app i just ran into (jjazzlab) is not for my needs20:37
n4dirback some years i was proud running sid. Now i am always proud if on old-stable :-)20:37
rwpThe nice thing about (Old)+Stable is that I am not continuously thrashed churning through endless updates.20:41
rwpOne can unpack .deb files using dpkg-source but manually is easy as they are old stile old .ar files and "ar x foo.deb" will unpack them into control.tar and data.tar files.20:41
rwpThen you can uncompress each of those files.  Which is apparently what tripped up dpkg for you as it was using an unknown compression.20:42
n4diryeah, as said, i did that for surge. It isn't really comfortable.20:42
rwpIt's possible to pack those back up into a valid .deb file but one must remember to tell ar that it must use the ancient original ar format to do so.  Or one can rebuild it with dpkg-buildpackage with some effort.20:43
n4dirnope, just packed it back together and that worked.20:43
rwpBest is if you get the source and rebuild it from source.  That would be a backport.  And it would be the most reliable since it was compiled on your system with the version of the shared libraries that are installed.20:43
n4dirfor jjazzlab i could just download another zip file, no deb, unzip it and run the bin/jjazzlab. I was more asking in general20:45
rwpThe general purpose solution is to upgrade.  (shrug)20:48
spine-o-saurushay so i loaded up install media and went thru install steps but it is at partition disks part, but it only has ext2 file system option. isn't there an ext4 option?23:19
debdogspine-o-saurus: what install media? no, there should be much more options than just ext2. expert install? mayhap you missed loading some module23:36
spine-o-saurusoh ya i missed the install step to load modules23:39
spine-o-saurusnow it is showing23:39
debdogphew, easy fix23:39
debdoghave success! (do not mix with sucks-ess)23:41
spine-o-saurusgrub wants to configure NVRAM variables to boot into Devuan automatically. this is the standard?23:56
rwpspine-o-saurus, UEFI boot requires NVRAM variables known as EFI vars in order to boot internal storage like disk drives and SSDs.23:59

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