| golinux | I was very involved with website and presentation and have been using it myself for a very long time . . . | 00:01 |
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| golinux | Sorry about the hanging "installer". | 00:02 |
| golinux | Those were the days, weren't they nadir . . . | 00:02 |
| n4dir | it was wild. | 00:03 |
| n4dir | golinux: no kidding, i remember when the guy before fsmithred created one forum on a day, deleted it, and created the next forum. Same for "iso" he presented | 00:03 |
| n4dir | and that is the main reason fsmithred took over (a) the other guy lost interes and b) it was way too chaotic) | 00:04 |
| n4dir | i don't remember when the website was around. But now it is really for long (i sure didn't know you were involved, or didn't remember, now you said i remembered it) | 00:04 |
| golinux | Yes it was. And this nostalgia is getting way off topic . . . ;) | 00:07 |
| n4dir | i got away with offtopic for long enough. Thanks for letting me. :-) | 00:08 |
| golinux | At first there was the sourceforge site. Then came the standalone refracta site. | 00:09 |
| golinux | JFTR . . . I landed at the Debian forum in 2010 and discovered refracta shortly thereafter . . . I just checked the date | 00:12 |
| n4dir | we ran in a little battle right away. iirc | 00:12 |
| n4dir | i was quite an ass, sometimes. | 00:13 |
| gnarface | i can't believe i have to be the one telling golinux to take it to offtopic | 00:13 |
| gnarface | happy friday everyone, i guess | 00:13 |
| rrq | mmm. saturday. | 00:17 |
| golinux | gnarface: It was like the blindmen, each touching a different part of an elephant, "knowing" what the elephant was . . . this partial perception is why our species if doomed. It was rater annoying to slog through all the opinions and theories . . . | 00:17 |
| golinux | Happy Saturday to you rrq! | 00:18 |
| rrq | hmm "linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64 has bug with cifs" (lodged to devuan #832) .. that's the daedalus-security kernel | 00:27 |
| gnarface | that's uh... samba stuff, right? | 00:31 |
| rrq | yes | 00:31 |
| rrq | looks like a use case of copying a file within a samba share | 00:32 |
| rrq | not sure if that's a limit; maybe copying into a share triggers it as well | 00:33 |
| rrq | (I don't use samba myself) | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | I guess I'm late to the party. | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | One of the main differences between Refracta live-isos and the Devuan live is that the desktop stuff in Refracta is installed without metapackages so you can easily remove stuff. And it excludes Recommends, so it's leaner. | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | refracta isos are made with refractasnapshot. devuan live isos are made with live-sdk. | 02:17 |
| golinux | Oops . . . don't know why I keep forgetting that . . . | 03:05 |
| bradd | Hi. does the devuan installer support making raid 1 boot devices? or do I need to make the array, then point the installer to the mdX device? | 09:49 |
| rrq | the installer-iso installer(s) let you set it up as part of its partitioning step | 09:54 |
| bradd | great. thanks | 09:54 |
| Atari-Frosch | I just upgraded my Thinkpad R61 to daedalus (finally) and now I have trouble with X. The screen flickers and finally crashes with a note that it's missing libseat (although it is installed). | 15:38 |
| Atari-Frosch | Additionally, I cannot install intel-microcode, as there seems to be no installation candidate. | 15:38 |
| debdog | Atari-Frosch: about intel-microcode, you probably have to add non-free-firmware to your sources.list. like "main contrib non-free non-free-firmware" | 15:45 |
| Atari-Frosch | I'll try, thank you. | 15:47 |
| Atari-Frosch | works :-) | 15:50 |
| debdog | Atari-Frosch: did you upgrade from chimaera to daedalus or made a fresh install? | 15:52 |
| gnarface | if non-free-firmware was missing, the graphics drivers are probably missing too | 15:55 |
| gnarface | that probably explains the display issues | 15:55 |
| Atari-Frosch | debdog: It was an upgrade. | 15:56 |
| Atari-Frosch | gnarface: My idea, too. I'm going to try, but now I'm told that fsck.xfs is missing, and it actually is. OTOH I see that the other fsck.* variants are all pointing to e2fsck, so would it help to just set that symbolic link? | 15:57 |
| debdog | according to packages.debian.org fsck.xfs is part of package xfsprogs | 16:01 |
| Atari-Frosch | Chimera had that stuff, seems it was lost in the upgrade process. | 16:03 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, xfsprogs had it. | 16:03 |
| Atari-Frosch | Now for the X server … | 16:04 |
| Atari-Frosch | it's still crashing. | 16:04 |
| Atari-Frosch | And I cannot find anything helpful on the net. | 16:04 |
| Atari-Frosch | WTF … „client bug: timer event3 trackpoint: scheduled expiry is in the past (-30ms), your system is too slow | 16:08 |
| Atari-Frosch | It's a core2duo T7300 with 2 GHz. | 16:09 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: definitely don't symlink xfs to ext* | 17:31 |
| gnarface | that wold be bad | 17:31 |
| gnarface | i think the "your system is too slow" error sounds like a mplayer red herring that's actually about an audio problem of some sort | 17:32 |
| Atari-Frosch | gnarface: It's not audio, it's in the X.org.log. In the meantime I have pasted it here: https://paste.fo/c6384789648b | 17:49 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: i'll look at it if you use paste.debian.net | 17:49 |
| Atari-Frosch | gnarface: As you wish … https://paste.debian.net/1306201/ | 17:52 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: hmm, i don't know what's up with it, maybe try the other driver | 17:57 |
| gnarface | are you causing those modesetting runs to happen around the errors, maybe changing resolutions or displays or something, or sleeping it.... or is that a symptom of the display freaking out on its own like you describe? | 17:59 |
| Atari-Frosch | I don't change anything. That's how it worked under Chimaera. | 18:00 |
| gnarface | is that stack trace at the end caused by you killing the X server or is that also something it's doing on its own? | 18:00 |
| Atari-Frosch | On it's own. It flickers a few times after the start, and then it ends itself. | 18:01 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: i see this Arch issue that looks suspiciously similar... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=233229 | 18:04 |
| gnarface | one for debian too... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=953405 | 18:05 |
| gnarface | maybe the crash is misleading though | 18:05 |
| gnarface | does it have two video cards like these? | 18:06 |
| Atari-Frosch | No, just the built-in one, a Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated | 18:08 |
| gnarface | here it is on redhat all the way back in 2015 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254790 | 18:08 |
| gnarface | is it possible these are all the same crash? | 18:08 |
| Atari-Frosch | The last line of the posting on archlinux says that xinit gives up. But X comes up and I can start software, i. e. Gimp. | 18:09 |
| gnarface | anyway, i think you're right, it seems like some kind of regression. my only two ideas are to either try the intel driver instead of the modesetting driver, or try the backports kernel | 18:09 |
| gnarface | you did get the intel_microcode package installed successfully, right? | 18:10 |
| Atari-Frosch | yes, intel-microcode is installed now. | 18:10 |
| gnarface | hmm, another vague thing comes to mind, i seem to recall someone once claiming that intel_pstate was screwing with their video stability. you could also try disabling that and going back to the old cpufreq stuff | 18:11 |
| Atari-Frosch | I'm going to try the intel driver, but not today. My concentration is already fading (have some trouble with that). I'm going to try tomorrow. | 18:11 |
| Atari-Frosch | thanks for your help. | 18:11 |
| gnarface | no problem, good luck | 18:11 |
| Atari-Frosch | thx | 18:12 |
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