LjL | nixonix, well it's a bit of a conundrum... the original links are sometimes VERY long when it comes to news sources | 00:02 |
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LjL | and IRC messages are length limited | 00:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 1,726 Yesterday: 1,510 One week ago (5/6): 1,949 Newly reported cases T: 22K Y: 20K 5/6: 25K Newly reported tests T: 336K Y: 289K 5/6: 242K Positive test rate T: 6% Y: 7% 5/6: 10%" → https://is.gd/dD3Zrb | 00:03 |
LjL | anyway i thought that is.gd seemed to have decent policies and stuff | 00:03 |
LjL | iirc | 00:03 |
nixonix | well my copypaste takes only second or so to use | 00:04 |
LjL | oh well if that works for you i'm certainly not going to tell you not to do it. i'm just explaining why i chose to use URL shortening in the bot | 00:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritania: +6 cases (now 15) since 8 hours ago — New York, US: +64 cases (now 350646), +3 deaths (now 27285) since 5 hours ago — US: +101 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 84976) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +17 cases (now 42984), +2 deaths (now 1206) since 19 minutes ago | 00:07 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:01 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS | 00:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:21 UTC: Georgia tries to balance pressure to reopen economy with threat of coronavirus resurgence: Georgia's new coronavirus cases have plateaued, but it could take until the end of the month to know the effects of reopening the economy. → https://is.gd/ZHwCEC | 00:24 |
pyna | shorturls are cancer, IMO, but empathize with reasons you are using them anyway. its been a long time since i cared to keep up with any knowledge about the various remaining shurl services, but I know that at least one of them has a mechanism so clicking takes you to a middle page, that shows the full url and gives you a choice whether to click on, or close the tab | 00:31 |
pyna | if is.gd has that, it might be nice to use it. admittedly, in this scenario, the bots aren't liars, so i'm not too worried about getting linkwinked | 00:32 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: Some NSW pubs to open from Friday as restrictions ease – latest updates → https://is.gd/M5RcsX | 00:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:45 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS | 00:52 |
LjL | pyna, on is.gd you may choose to always go to a "middle page" by setting a cookie at https://is.gd/previews.php | 00:59 |
pyna | nice, that's reasonable | 01:00 |
pyna | and less work for you :) | 01:00 |
LjL | also | 01:00 |
LjL | v.gd and is.gd are sister services, but are two separate URL shorteners. They're run by the same team and on the same platform, so their functionality is very similar. The main difference between them is that v.gd displays a link preview page by default whenever somebody visits one of its shortened URLs, but is.gd doesn't (by default it sends people straight to the link's destination). For this reason v.gd can be seen as a slightly "safer" option and is | 01:00 |
LjL | handy for users who always want to know where a link goes before clicking it. | 01:00 |
LjL | so maybe i could switch to v.gd, i dunno | 01:00 |
LjL | the main attractive over doing it manually is "oh, that's a v.gd link, so i *know* i'll be directed to a preview"... but how many people know v.gd? | 01:01 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Texas, which began to open its businesses at the beginning of May, sees 1,000 new coronavirus cases 5 days in a row (10162 votes) | https://redd.it/gizorw | 01:01 |
ryouma | is there shneanigans with testing less in swing stantes and stuff? | 01:02 |
pyna | and bd.vg if you need a rickroll service. and if it was updated to work in modern browsers better :( | 01:02 |
LjL | ryouma, don't know but i read something where He allegedly said something like "we must not test too much, it makes us look bad" out loud | 01:03 |
pyna | the shenanigans i've heard mostly involve states with good GOP gov's getting better treatment than the states with bad democrat govs | 01:06 |
pyna | one of the good states is Florida, which is the quintessential swing state, and trump's new "home" | 01:06 |
ryouma | i like the idea of a preview page. many like to not click on stuff that (1) they don't want to support and (2) they don't want to go to | 01:08 |
pyna | that guy in here a few days ago trying to argue about whether "the notion that everyone should get tested is simply nonsensical" was "true" or not | 01:11 |
ryouma | i think we will be getting a lot of veiled usa campaign messages on irc. it occurred last time. | 01:12 |
ryouma | and news articles | 01:13 |
ryouma | like that biden thing above | 01:13 |
ryouma | (actually duno did not look) | 01:13 |
pyna | agree. i try not to make LjL's life worse, but i can't help mocking these folks with their own farts | 01:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:06 UTC: Why experts still believe in Haven's mission to change health care, even without Atul Gawande: We might be in the midst of a pandemic, but insiders say there are still opportunities to rethink employer-sponsored health care with the right CEO at the helm. → https://is.gd/zKx7pS | 01:20 |
pyna | remember when that lancet study came out about the Iraq death count that the GOP didn't like? and suddenly every "independent" american was a statistician? and to this day, republicans think Lancet is a discredited political organization | 01:24 |
pyna | i been thinking about that a lot as i meet so many newly minted epidemiologists | 01:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:17 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS | 01:27 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +316 cases (now 6879), +8 deaths (now 329) since 9 hours ago — Sudan: +157 cases (now 1818), +10 deaths (now 90) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +383 cases (now 9075), +4 deaths (now 107) since a day ago — Colorado, US: +318 cases (now 20475), +53 deaths (now 1062) since a day ago | 01:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:31 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Fauci’s comments ‘not acceptable’, says Trump; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; virus in every African country; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 01:41 |
pyna | lol "not acceptable". fair | 01:42 |
pyna | "He wants to play all sides of the equation," Trump said of Fauci on Wednesday during a meeting with the governors of Colorado and North Dakota. | 01:43 |
pyna | also fair | 01:44 |
pyna | "colorless green ideas sleep furiously," pyna said of Trump on Wednesday, paraphrasing some nerd during a meeting with his cat (also his pastor) | 01:45 |
pyna | ´before you accuse me of eating my cake while crying wolf on both sides of the coin and going all in unto others as you would have yourself do to the golden eggs, ask of yourself, in this beautiful country, "do _I_ have some dirt on the bidens?" | 01:50 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Treatment of COVID-19 Patients with Convalescent Plasma in Houston, Texas (80 votes) | https://redd.it/giz90k | 01:55 |
disillusion | https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1260337520841125888 | 02:02 |
pyna | oof i read this headline completely wrong and went on a wild google chase before actually reading an understanding the content https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/emmet-sullivan-michael-flynn-perjury/index.html | 02:02 |
disillusion | "On April 8th, Wuhan reopened after 72-day lockdown. Then 35 days w/ 0 cases. Then 6 new cases (1 housing block). All 11 million people will be tested in next 7 days. Contrast The US has no state >14 days w/ decline or 0 cases. It's reopening It has taken >3 months to do 10 M tests" | 02:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:06 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: Some NSW pubs to open from Friday as restrictions ease – latest updates → https://is.gd/M5RcsX | 02:09 |
pyna | so glad i have the means to electively stay home while everyone else enjoys a few days of sun and fun and plague spreading | 02:11 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Gabon: +141 cases (now 1004) since a day ago — Channel Islands: +1 cases (now 548), +1 deaths (now 43) since a day ago — Washington, US: +217 cases (now 18281), +11 deaths (now 975) since a day ago — Texas, US: +518 cases (now 43502), +11 deaths (now 1217) since 2 hours ago | 02:22 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 Rates in BCG-Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Young Adults (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gj2pdf | 02:26 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Peter Dutton attacks Queensland bid for Virgin Australia as 'dangerous' – latest update → https://is.gd/M5RcsX | 02:30 |
ubLXI | 1.6 million tests a day! | 02:33 |
ubLXI | i'd watch that documentary | 02:33 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Somaliland: +8 cases (now 56) since 22 hours ago — North Carolina, US: +102 cases (now 16351), +5 deaths (now 625) since an hour ago — Japan: +81 cases (now 16049), +21 deaths (now 678) since a day ago — US: +105 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 85197) since 22 minutes ago | 02:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:32 UTC: Abbott's rapid coronavirus test misses positive cases, raising questions, NYU study finds: The urgency to ramp up coronavirus testing in the U.S. "has eased the usual scrutiny" applied by the Food and Drug Administration before the release of a new test, according to the authors of the study. → https://is.gd/4JWgDg | 02:37 |
ryouma | only 105 for us? when will the tst restuls be eincorporated? | 02:38 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gj7mas | 02:38 |
pyna | ugh, discrete math was the hardest stuff for me, and the absolute most stressful part for me was attempting to reason about false positive and false negatives | 02:41 |
pyna | absolutely mindblowingly counter and anti-intuitive | 02:42 |
pyna | all i really learned of any practical use in that realm was that if i thought i had figured out an answer, it was pretty much guaranteed to be wrong | 02:44 |
pyna | tried as hard as i could to understand statistics, and all i got was this t-shirt and a small but real intuitive understanding of the monty hall problem | 02:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +1862 cases (now 40186), +294 deaths (now 4220) since 23 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +22 cases (now 915) since 10 hours ago — World: +1889 cases (now 4.4 million), +294 deaths (now 298172) since 22 minutes ago — Jamaica: +2 cases (now 509) since 23 hours ago | 02:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Peter Dutton attacks Queensland bid for Virgin Australia as 'dangerous' – latest update → https://is.gd/M5RcsX | 02:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 03:06 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 15 US states now hit by rare inflammatory syndrome impacting children (10254 votes) | https://redd.it/gj2y1v | 03:08 |
python476 | hey there | 03:12 |
python476 | what's up | 03:12 |
pyna | just texted briefly with a drinking buddy i havent seen since before the plague, who was an epidemiologist with the CDC before he retired, long ago | 03:12 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Victoria McDonald's cluster grows to eight cases, as Dutton attacks Queensland over Virgin bid – latest update → https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update | 03:13 |
pyna | told him how i'd love to know his thoughts on the matter of course, and he says: "my biggest criticism of this administration is that they are listening to virologists, not epidemiologists" | 03:15 |
pyna | did not expect that, and certainly gave me some food for thought | 03:16 |
pyna | reasoning is what you'd expect with the statement as a given: epidemiolists [specialize in] the numbers, trends, predictability | 03:18 |
ubLXI | if you weren't expecting that from an epidemiologist, what were you expecting? | 03:19 |
pyna | that's all i got from him in terms of direct quotes, but my immediate thought is huh, virologists are better at talking about "how long before a vaccine" and "what's this mutation all about" | 03:20 |
pyna | and it feels like there's more of that sort of thing being top-of-mind than you'd expect, given that we're really halfassing the behavioral change part | 03:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Costa Rica: +1 deaths (now 8) since 6 hours ago — World: +45 cases (now 4.4 million), +2 deaths (now 298174) since 35 minutes ago — Haiti: +15 cases (now 234) since 22 hours ago — Bahamas: +1 cases (now 94) since 2 days ago | 03:22 |
pyna | idk ubLXI i expected politicians wrecking things on their own merits before 'yer listening to the wrong specialist' | 03:26 |
python476 | what about the wuhan micro resurgence ? | 03:26 |
python476 | how large is it ? | 03:26 |
python476 | sorry for interrupting | 03:27 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 03:27 |
ubLXI | you have never encountered the phenomenon of a retired person polarising the world through the lens of their former profession? | 03:30 |
ubLXI | déformation professionnelle, ossified | 03:30 |
pyna | like there's a whole national debate about whether fauci is a saint of science or a pawn of the invisible government, and i don't really have an opinion on that | 03:32 |
ubLXI | well he is willing to contradict trump, from time to time | 03:33 |
pyna | ubLXI: in this case, i explicitly sought it out. under no illusions that he is not a retired CDC epidemilogist | 03:34 |
python476 | ubLXI: how to escape that bias though | 03:36 |
pyna | maybe i should've expected it, but i guess i "can't unsee it" | 03:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +143 cases (now 1342), +2 deaths (now 29) since 23 hours ago — Bolivia: +184 cases (now 3148), +14 deaths (now 142) since 23 hours ago — South Korea: +29 cases (now 10991), +1 deaths (now 260) since 23 hours ago — World: +327 cases (now 4.4 million), +16 deaths (now 298190) since 18 minutes ago | 03:37 |
pyna | like a few mins ago i was happily berating my stupid brain for being too stupid to grok false positive/negative results into a conclusion | 03:38 |
ubLXI | pyna: your friend has a point, though | 03:39 |
pyna | now im wondering if thinking about that stuff isn't more of a virologist preocupation, when what's more relevant to me and everyone nearby is how best to exist and go about existing in a plague | 03:39 |
ubLXI | but the surprising thing in your retelling was your friend's implied belief in the administration's capability to absorb the message | 03:40 |
pyna | yeah - food for thought, is what i'm sticking to, ubLXI | 03:40 |
ubLXI | python476: good question | 03:40 |
tinwhiskers | python476: they've only had 5 a few days ago, and another couple of days with 1 case according to the data | 03:41 |
pyna | yeah - that's close to what i was trying to convey - less surprised at the thing he said, more surprised at it not being like the 5th or 7th thing. and further surprised by how much i see his point though | 03:42 |
ryouma | ? --- 18:30 <ubLXI> déformation professionnelle, ossified | 03:43 |
pyna | zut! alors! | 03:44 |
ubLXI | ryouma! | 03:45 |
ryouma | ubLXI: hi | 03:45 |
ryouma | some kind of political concept i hav enot heard of or something? | 03:46 |
ubLXI | nope | 03:46 |
ubLXI | ossified means stagnated (literally, turned to bone, so by metaphor) | 03:47 |
ryouma | what about the first word | 03:47 |
ubLXI | it has a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9formation_professionnelle | 03:47 |
python476 | I see everything in Java class struggle | 03:49 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 03:49 |
pyna | nice TIL "everything looks like a nail"'s formal name is "law of the instrument" | 03:49 |
ryouma | so the tldr is | 03:50 |
python476 | nice | 03:50 |
pyna | lol python476 excellent e.g. | 03:51 |
ryouma | which states have opened up and are doing enoughtesting to produce results? | 03:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Honduras: +175 cases (now 2255), +2 deaths (now 123) since 22 hours ago — Panama: +161 cases (now 8944), +4 deaths (now 256) since a day ago — World: +336 cases (now 4.4 million), +6 deaths (now 298196) since 20 minutes ago | 03:52 |
ubLXI | ryouma: tldr: "the eye cannot see what the mind does not know" | 03:53 |
python476 | france de-lockdown started today, it was weird to see people out | 03:54 |
python476 | very long queues in front in stores due to distancing | 03:54 |
python476 | couldn't buy some stuff actually | 03:54 |
pyna | "enough testing to produce results" | 03:54 |
pyna | this morning i went to the corner pizza place for some half-and-half and everyone inside was wearing a mask on their chin | 03:55 |
python476 | protect your chin | 03:56 |
berkchops | in NY you can't go inside anywhere without a mask, 99% of people are following it from what i've seen | 03:56 |
python476 | I shouldn't even go out, my heart is fubared | 03:56 |
pyna | not that im getting out much, but in my local it seems like people are putting mask on chin and they'll pull it up ceremonially, for example when entering a store | 03:57 |
ryouma | we should be seeing data soon for the opened up regions. i hate all these data that are apples and oranges. | 03:57 |
pyna | or like, you run into your friend, and pull the mask down to talk | 03:58 |
python476 | ryouma: good point | 03:59 |
ryouma | need loud proximity alarms | 03:59 |
python476 | 2 weeks and we'll know | 03:59 |
python476 | ryouma: reverse tinder ? | 03:59 |
pyna | oh hell yeah ryouma | 03:59 |
python476 | "hot girl too much in your proximity!" | 03:59 |
ryouma | cannot prove she has not been self-isolating for 3w and decontaminating packages. PASS. | 04:00 |
pyna | tindie is where someone's probably already selling 3-printed proximity horns | 04:00 |
pyna | a 110db klaxon going off whenever a human is closer than n feet is ultimate discreet way to say safe without getting involved in political epistemology | 04:01 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Scott Morrison press conference to provide Covid-19 update as unemployment rate increases to 6.2% – latest → https://is.gd/M5RcsX | 04:03 |
ryouma | i just get overwhelmed with all the nubmers and don't really know awht to do with them | 04:03 |
pyna | depends on which number | 04:03 |
ryouma | so for example we ahve this, where we don't know if they hav been counting using the same metric, we don't know compared to the popuylation, we don't know who is being tested. maybe useful if you ahve been folloing a single number and remember the last number? but it doesn't say whether a place is getting worse or better. or correlate with lockdown politcs. --- 17:52 <Brainstorm> Updates for Mexico: +1862 cases | 04:04 |
ryouma | (now 40186), +294 deaths (now 4220) since 23 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +22 cases (now 915) since 10 hours ago — World: +1889 cases (now 4.4 million), +294 deaths (now 298172) since 22 minutes ago — Jamaica: +2 cases (now 509) since 23 hours ago | 04:04 |
ryouma | so i don't know what to do with those numbers | 04:05 |
tinwhiskers | That's why you look at the time-series data | 04:05 |
ryouma | well i just truied covidly, which has a map that has a movie of time which is not useful to me. i want to know where the hotspots are and whether they are improving and whether there was a peak or a major political change like lockdown totally lifeted and everybody is commnded to got ot he beach or whatever | 04:07 |
pyna | ryouma: practice | 04:07 |
ryouma | who follows brainstorm and what do you do with it? | 04:08 |
ryouma | (not dissing the scripter of brainstorm just rying to figure out what typical users of it use it for) | 04:08 |
pyna | i don't think it's intended for any kind of professional "use" | 04:10 |
tinwhiskers | ryouma: have you tried http://offloop.net/covid19/ | 04:13 |
ryouma | yaeh | 04:13 |
ryouma | you get to see the curve at kleast | 04:14 |
tinwhiskers | ryouma: the typical use is that people see when new stats pop up for their area. In my case (New Zealand) I do remember my last numbers so it's useful to know when the data comes out. | 04:14 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 patients dying in Italy th Report based on available data on May 7 , 2020 (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gj6igc | 04:14 |
ryouma | tonga and taiwan are the only ones i remember | 04:14 |
tinwhiskers | Tonga doesn't have any stats (no cases) | 04:15 |
pyna | i haven't attempred to get local info from the bot | 04:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:09 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Fauci’s comments ‘not acceptable’, says Trump; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; virus in every African country; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 04:17 |
pyna | at the risk of being banned for politics opinion i'm trying to guess in what month trump is gonna say "no one saw this coming" about the second, worse wave of plague | 04:19 |
pyna | and just wishing as hard as i can that i'm completely wrong and everything will work out and i'll have to eat crow | 04:21 |
ubLXI | what currently are the ground for expecting a second wave to be worse? | 04:21 |
ubLXI | *grounds | 04:21 |
pyna | fair question. no scientific or political authority. i guess its from feeling like it's managed to spread all over despite the first round, which started smaller. so i'd expect the next round to be more sychronized | 04:23 |
Fenshijisu[m] | Hi | 04:26 |
Fenshijisu[m] | Was machst du gerade | 04:26 |
ubLXI | Fenshijisu[m]: hi | 04:28 |
ubLXI | pyna: hmm | 04:28 |
pyna | epidemiologists definitely think a lot about the practical limits of policy to actually change anything | 04:31 |
pyna | i really want to my buddy when we speak is length about how much he would expect anti-mask/its-a-hoax stuff coming | 04:34 |
pyna | and what kind of ideas and techniques to deal with that ever present section of any population | 04:36 |
tinwhiskers | there's not a lot you can do in the short term. It's about culture and trust of science and governance and that takes time to build. | 04:43 |
tinwhiskers | I suppose having sufficiently incompetent leaders makes some people rebuild some trust in science :-) | 04:46 |
tinwhiskers | Maybe that's the plan of the USA. | 04:46 |
python476 | tinwhiskers: or just an emerging darwinian effect | 04:57 |
tinwhiskers | political darwinism? | 04:57 |
python476 | too much comfort -> increase in morons -> trumpism -> inability to handle catastrophes -> less morons -> more thinking -> more comfort -> cycle | 04:58 |
tinwhiskers | maybe | 04:58 |
python476 | it's probably very true to a degree | 04:58 |
python476 | I've read about science during the war | 04:58 |
python476 | Russians had better ideas with less resources | 04:59 |
LjL | ryouma, Brainstorm is "maybe useful if you ahve been folloing a single number and remember the last number". i follow italy's numbers and the numbers for some other places mainly, and i'd like to have a more or less timely update of them. whether a place is getting worse or better is something that require keeping a history of the data and that i was just too lazy to do, honestly... it also would make the "multi-country update" much less easy to read, | 04:59 |
LjL | though that is no great excuse since i could still have it in the manual command. i have no way to correlate the numbers with lockdown politics because, aside from the fact it would be difficult, i don't have a source of data about the politics. about the population data, i use it in the manual command, and currently in the automatic updates it decides the *order* (and whether to show a region at all, since only the top 5 are shown) based on the ratio | 04:59 |
LjL | between new cases and population | 04:59 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 02:50 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have ever been infected with coronavirus is said have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 04:59 |
python476 | USA were better at funding and political stability (and sanity) | 04:59 |
python476 | too much resources is rarely good | 04:59 |
python476 | I consider trump the late symptom of this | 04:59 |
LjL | ultimately if i see a number that looks unusual or interesting based on what i already know, i just go to offloop's graphs | 05:00 |
python476 | how is italy going LjL ? | 05:00 |
LjL | python476, not sure, i was sleeping | 05:00 |
python476 | ~alright ? | 05:00 |
python476 | oh ok | 05:00 |
python476 | woke up early ? | 05:01 |
LjL | i woke up to post a wall of test but the intention is to go back | 05:01 |
python476 | ok | 05:01 |
LjL | more like went to sleep earlier | 05:01 |
tinwhiskers | wow. you actually went to bed at a reasonable hour?! | 05:01 |
python476 | enjoy your bed part 2 | 05:01 |
LjL | now i'm not sure i'll actually sleep | 05:01 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah i am not sure it's going to work out | 05:01 |
python476 | keeping the 7-8h is said to be necessary | 05:01 |
tinwhiskers | he | 05:01 |
tinwhiskers | *heh | 05:01 |
LjL | python476, but now i've slept like 3-4 hours and i am not sure i will fall asleep again | 05:02 |
python476 | got that | 05:02 |
python476 | was just trying to reinforce the hint | 05:02 |
LjL | besides, ryouma put into doubt the usefulness of my bot, you know i get a spike in blood pressure when that happens | 05:02 |
python476 | I actually had a 4h sleep too and consider going back | 05:02 |
LjL | hadn't seen you here in a while, are you just around when i'm sleeping? | 05:03 |
LjL | oh i even missed another exciting Boise, Idaho earthquake | 05:03 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 05:06 |
pyna | useful bot == a better mousetrap | 05:07 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Bhutan: +4 cases (now 15) since a day ago — Brazil: +980 cases (now 190137), +82 deaths (now 13240) since 2 hours ago — World: +1000 cases (now 4.4 million), +82 deaths (now 298278) since an hour ago — Australia: +9 cases (now 6989) since a day ago | 05:07 |
pyna | i, for one, wouldn't mind and would love if Brainstorm had rudimentary ascii graphics | 05:07 |
python476 | LjL: no I was trying discord and also was sleeping off so chaotic days | 05:08 |
LjL | ew discord, at least it has a web client so i could use it without touching it much when i had to | 05:08 |
tinwhiskers | my bot may be taking it too far: 😷 Michigan (US): National Rank: #7, cases: 48,391 ▆▇▅▄▄▅▁ (0.48% of the population), deaths: 4,714 ▅▃▇▂▂▅▁ (9.7% of cases), recovered: 20,991, serious: 472, tests: 329,639 (14.6% positive), doubling time: 84.1 days, R_eff: 0.6, 📉 See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Michigan for time series data. | 05:09 |
tinwhiskers | at least this channel strips the colours. lol | 05:09 |
pyna | hmm actually, LjL, this seem interesting to you at all? https://github.com/holman/spark | 05:09 |
LjL | haha | 05:10 |
pyna | ▁▂▃▅▂▇ | 05:11 |
pyna | works for me, and fits in one line | 05:11 |
LjL | well, it is a bit... bold | 05:11 |
pyna | oh lol woop | 05:11 |
pyna | s | 05:11 |
python476 | yeah I succombed to the web 2.1 irc reboot T_T | 05:11 |
LjL | python476, "now with more proprietary" | 05:12 |
LjL | well, i managed to miss Russia going nuclear | 05:13 |
LjL | wait, poor choice of wording | 05:13 |
LjL | i managed to miss Russia's numbers heightening considerably | 05:13 |
LjL | so maybe i should indeed revisit what my bot outputs | 05:13 |
pyna | IMHO IRC has a rich tradition of ascii art and nothing would be more welcome in this time of crisis than numbers and charts and graphs | 05:15 |
LjL | ah, Russia's updates come at 10am, that would explain why i miss them | 05:15 |
LjL | pyna, IRC also has a rich tradition of banning ASCII art, depending which parts of IRC you ask | 05:16 |
LjL | IRC is a big place, and not even a place at that | 05:16 |
LjL | freenode has a channel mode to disable colors, and it's widely used | 05:16 |
pyna | that is fair and true | 05:16 |
pyna | and this is freenode, indeed. /me chastned | 05:17 |
python476 | is russia booming ? | 05:19 |
python476 | IRC is peak IRC | 05:19 |
python476 | discord is acceptable but it's.. meh | 05:19 |
LjL | the graph thing isn't actually so terrible, i find abuse of colors worse, and not a huge fan of emoji and other things that just don't *use* what we traditionally think of as characters. but then my own bot uses them for some things (like earthquake reports) | 05:19 |
LjL | python476, russia has a very exponential-looking growth, although their growth in testing is also looking nearly exponential, they have already tested like 2.5x italy | 05:20 |
LjL | %cases russia | 05:20 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Russia, there have been 242271 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2212 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 05:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; New Zealand to spend $50bn on jobs; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 05:20 |
LjL | russia is now the country with the most cases after the US i believe | 05:20 |
pyna | im a little too young to really appreciate ascii art, unicode art tho | 05:20 |
python476 | LjL: ok | 05:22 |
python476 | this new era in the pandemic is weird | 05:22 |
python476 | everybody is at a different state | 05:22 |
LjL | where everyone is kinda tired of following it? | 05:22 |
python476 | that too a bit | 05:22 |
python476 | most of the catastrophe is behind and people are jaded | 05:22 |
python476 | everybody will also have different 2nd wave or not | 05:22 |
LjL | clicking on the Guardian link, i still haven't found the part where the WHO says it may never go away, but i did find | 05:23 |
LjL | ats can spread the new coronavirus to other cats without any of them ever having symptoms, a lab experiment suggests. | 05:23 |
LjL | Scientists who led the work, reported on Wednesday, say it shows the need for more research into whether the virus can spread from people to cats to people again, Reuters reports. | 05:23 |
pyna | the future is here, just not evenly distributed | 05:23 |
LjL | also, C | 05:23 |
LjL | if it goes human-animal-animal-human we won't ever be able to stampede this out completely | 05:23 |
LjL | Guardian feed is confusing, i cannot actually find the part where it talks about the WHO saying anything | 05:26 |
LjL | well, it's okay, i got it from worldnews (from the same bot) anyway | 05:27 |
LjL | i get all the cool news in private and just have it output the fake news | 05:27 |
pyna | aha! | 05:27 |
LjL | %title https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52643682 | 05:29 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns - BBC News | 05:29 |
LjL | namely this | 05:29 |
atheodo | i heard that too, not sure what that means, will it be like the flu, or does it mean that we will have to wear masks and distance for ever now? | 05:32 |
python476 | aight, bed time part 2 on my side | 05:32 |
python476 | sleep well gentlemen | 05:32 |
tinwhiskers | gn | 05:33 |
python476 | gn2 | 05:34 |
LjL | atheodo, in a way the answer to both may end up being "yes"... if you go back in time (or more realistically read articles about it), you'll find that the widespread habit in East Asia to wear masks in public whenever it's cold/flu season stems from the 1918 flu originally. then they never really stopped wearing them, while the rest of us kinda did. | 05:37 |
Olwen | hmm that's interesting | 05:39 |
tinwhiskers | my guess would be that we are realising that it's not feasible to eradicate it since not all countries are capable of elimination. We will have treatments, which will reduce the mortality rate but I expect we'll end up managing it using methods like the flu and chicken pox. | 05:39 |
LjL | selfishly speaking i hope most of us in developed countries can get effectively vaccinated. in developing countries it will suck but there's also the fact that life expectancy is so low in many (like where HIV is endemic) that this particular disease probably won't even kill many | 05:44 |
atheodo | LjL you are right, I lived in Tokyo for 6 months way back 2001, and yes you are right it is standard custom to wear masks especially during winter | 05:44 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: An outbreak of severe Kawasaki-like disease at the Italian epicentre of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic: an observational cohort study (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjd5ii | 05:45 |
LjL | atheodo, it started with the 1918 flu, then it just became part of the cultural norms. i read that increasing pollutions and increasing allergies were also factors in them "sticking" after the bad flu wave was over | 05:45 |
tinwhiskers | I don't think covid will be seasonal though | 05:46 |
tinwhiskers | it may come through in waves, but not tied to an annual cycle | 05:46 |
ryouma | LjL: no intention to affect your blood pressure. if it is useful for others then great! i don't even know what i want that would be feasible. i'd have to think about it and i am not cognitively able to atm. | 05:51 |
ryouma | as for morons, i view it as, humans were hunter-gatherers, then tehre was the age of reason, then there was a long decline, and that completely petered out, and now the whole planet is in trouble. or somethign like that. | 05:52 |
ryouma | but in reality there is a moron gene, so it's not correct | 05:52 |
ryouma | you have to keep it suppressed with education and stuff | 05:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mayotte, France: +48 cases (now 1143), +2 deaths (now 14) since a day ago — Quebec, Canada: +705 cases (now 39940), +89 deaths (now 3221) since a day ago — District of Columbia, US: +99 cases (now 6584), +14 deaths (now 350) since a day ago — Ontario, Canada: +358 cases (now 22516), +31 deaths (now 1883) since a day ago | 05:53 |
LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/gjd5ii/an_outbreak_of_severe_kawasakilike_disease_at_the/fqkg2r8/?context=3 | 05:53 |
LjL | ryouma, blood pressure thing was a bit of a joke. i am defensive with my bot but clearly you have a point, it's not the first time people question the utility of those figures | 05:54 |
ubLXI | LjL: "probably won't even kill many" - then again, with TB and HIV prevalence, and interruption of drug supplies, it could be devastating | 05:55 |
ryouma | tb drugs would be a problem | 05:55 |
ryouma | altohugh lockdowns might help | 05:56 |
atheodo | it took about 20 years to find good drugs for HIV, if we are looking at the same timetable here, we will be in huge trouble | 05:56 |
LjL | ubLXI, yeah i guess so, i don't know, with Africa we're largely in the dark, even more so than usual since... we care even less than usual, really, as we are mostly concerned with our own lockdowns | 05:56 |
LjL | atheodo, there is a much stronger push here, but yeah it's possible | 05:57 |
atheodo | LjL are you located in Africa? | 05:57 |
atheodo | it's so quiet how they are doing, wonder if heat kills it and that's why Africa is so quiet | 05:57 |
ubLXI | atheodo: our state of the art is decades ebtter for that effort, though | 05:57 |
LjL | atheodo, no, i'm just saying that i can still hope, selfishly, that where i am in the so-called developed world, i can still hope for a vaccine that makes this mostly a non-issue, even if globally, in places like Africa, it may continue to run rampant | 05:58 |
tinwhiskers | heat has a small effect but not enough to reduce the R_eff below 1 | 05:58 |
LjL | atheodo, i think it's quiet because they aren't testing a lot and we aren't following their news | 05:58 |
atheodo | I hope so, I know HIV had certain luggage, so it took a while for things to get going for a cure, | 05:58 |
atheodo | LjL, I see you got a point | 05:59 |
LjL | atheodo, i read an article about Uganda arresting everyone in an LGBT shelter under the excuse that they were breaching lockdown laws by being more than 10 people in a building. that makes up like 90% of the Africa news i've read | 05:59 |
LjL | and it was only brought to my attention because of the lockdown-related abuse, not the epidemic itself | 06:00 |
LjL | well and also how they were not allowed to see a lawyer, because that's *also* against the lockdown rules | 06:00 |
LjL | lovely stuff | 06:00 |
ryouma | there are major cities in africa that look like shinjuku or new york. are they silent because little testing? i can belive that gates foundation or someplace will vsaccinate a lot of africa. | 06:04 |
LjL | I'm not sure they're actually silent, as opposed to not being picked up by our media. Which African websites or TV stations do we typically follow? | 06:06 |
LjL | When the thing was running rampant in Italy already, there was a post highlighting none of the four main US newspapers had covid on their front pages | 06:06 |
ryouma | i just don't get what is wrong with teh us | 06:07 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mongolia: +19 cases (now 61) since 5 days ago — World: +19 cases (now 4.4 million) since 18 minutes ago | 06:08 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 04:03 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: How Coronavirus Spreads through the Air: What We Know So Far → https://is.gd/blBlzK | 06:09 |
pyna | goddamit mongolia your 19 cases have ADDED to world | 06:15 |
pyna | %data antarctica | 06:16 |
Brainstorm | pyna: Sorry, antarctica not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 06:16 |
pyna | nice, we still have a whole uninfected continent left | 06:18 |
ryouma | nyt, wapo, lat?, what are the 4 | 06:18 |
ryouma | herald? tribune? chronicle? all i am sure of are nyt and wapo. | 06:19 |
ryouma | %data svalbard island, norway | 06:20 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, svalbard island, norway not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:20 |
ryouma | %data svalbard | 06:20 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, svalbard not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:20 |
ryouma | %data weddell island | 06:20 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, weddell island not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:20 |
pyna | %data baltimore | 06:20 |
Brainstorm | pyna: Sorry, baltimore not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:20 |
ryouma | %data kamchatka, russia | 06:20 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, kamchatka, russia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:20 |
tinwhiskers | State/regional level only, not cities. | 06:21 |
pyna | %data new jersey | 06:21 |
Brainstorm | pyna: In New Jersey, US, there have been 142861 confirmed cases (1.6% of the population) and 9727 deaths (6.8% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 441450 tests were performed (32.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:21 |
pyna | those curves look real encouraging | 06:24 |
pyna | %data pennsylvania | 06:24 |
Brainstorm | pyna: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 62213 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 4147 deaths (6.7% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 311186 tests were performed (20.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:24 |
ubLXI | Dr. Rick Bright to testify before a House committee later today: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/13/warning-us-could-face-darkest-winter-modern-history-ousted-whistleblower-demands | 06:27 |
ryouma | the thing is asia is silent also | 06:29 |
ryouma | so yeah it's that there is little ocmmunication | 06:29 |
ryouma | some say taiwan had a head start becauset they were listening to chinese tv | 06:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia's April unemployment rate jumps to 6.2%, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 06:30 |
ubLXI | %title https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/05/foreign-affairs-runs-propaganda-from-swedish-employers-on-swedens-covid-19-fiasco-failing-to-disclose-sponsorship-and-misrepresenting-results.html | 06:47 |
Brainstorm | ubLXI: From www.nakedcapitalism.com: Foreign Affairs Runs Propaganda from Swedish Employers on Sweden's Covid-19 Fiasco, Failing to Disclose Sponsorship and Misrepresenting Results | naked capitalism | 06:47 |
tinwhiskers | ryouma: "31 Dec 2019: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. (A novel coronavirus was eventually identified)." This was really the first anyone knew - we all had a head start. | 06:50 |
tinwhiskers | if there was some sort of suppression of information by China you can be pretty sure there wasn't anything on Chinese TV about it either. | 06:51 |
ryouma | yeah but as soon as it left chinese borders i wanted the us to do stuff like close borders. but taiwan had ppe. | 06:52 |
tinwhiskers | sure, but taiwan didn't have a head start due to some information they got from china. They had a head start because they were prepared. | 06:52 |
ryouma | could be but the citizens who spoke the language could get daily updates | 06:53 |
ryouma | i.e. take it seriously) | 06:53 |
ryouma | dunno if the updates were censoretd too much thoguh | 06:54 |
tinwhiskers | Look at the timeline. There was plenty of warning that everyone got: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19 | 06:54 |
tinwhiskers | I doubt very much there was more information on internal chinese media. Can anyone here from China comment on this? | 06:56 |
ryouma | you could be right | 07:00 |
tinwhiskers | Trippy72394 is an expat from China but he's not here right now. He did say there are some others from China who hang out here including one person from Wuhan. It would be nice to hear from those people. | 07:01 |
tinwhiskers | ryouma: I'll make a point of asking him next time I see hime how the internal communication compared to the international timeline - it would be interesting to know that. | 07:03 |
ryouma | yeah | 07:03 |
ryouma | and the scuttlebutt | 07:04 |
tinwhiskers | the scuttlebutt? | 07:04 |
ryouma | the informal communication | 07:04 |
tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 07:04 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 05:19 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Madrid. Proteste contro la gestione del Coronavirus → https://is.gd/OBIPvZ | 07:26 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Kazakhstan: +154 cases (now 5571) since a day ago — Hungary: +39 cases (now 3380), +6 deaths (now 436) since a day ago — World: +379 cases (now 4.4 million), +6 deaths (now 298302) since an hour ago — Kyrgyzstan: +38 cases (now 1082) since a day ago | 07:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Russia has second highest number of infections; Wuhan mass testing begins; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 07:41 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +17 cases (now 440) since a day ago — World: +17 cases (now 4.4 million) since 39 minutes ago | 08:08 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:15 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have ever been infected with coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 08:23 |
Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +75 cases (now 1112) since a day ago — Bulgaria: +31 cases (now 2100), +3 deaths (now 99) since a day ago — World: +107 cases (now 4.4 million), +3 deaths (now 298305) since 35 minutes ago — Mauritania: +1 cases (now 16) since 8 hours ago | 08:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Russia has second highest number of infections; Wuhan mass testing begins; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 08:44 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:43 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 08:51 |
_abc_ | Graphs by country and world https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ | 09:02 |
_abc_ | I see an article local to me here (.ro) saying during the lockdown the government reported only covid deaths/day, no others. The stats over 2 months show said covid deaths average to one half to one third of what respiratory disease deaths per day averaged over the last 10 years without the present situation. There were also some signs that mortuary authorities forced some dependents to sign on | 09:04 |
_abc_ | covid-confirming death forms for deceased who passed on out of other causes at home. | 09:04 |
_abc_ | Does one see similar things elsewhere too? | 09:04 |
_abc_ | Because this will lead to a scandal which will likely shake the establishment to pieces within a year or less, as the dust settles. | 09:05 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 06:59 UTC: Il Commissariamento delle Asl e di un ospedale in Liguria.: È una notizia di qualche giorno fa, dapprima smentita ma poi di fatto resa attiva, ma non ha fatto il "rumore" che merita.Toti, presidente delle Regione Liguria, ha di fatto commissariato le 5 Asl Liguri e l'Ospedale San Martino di Genova, dando la [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/JCe8ue | 09:05 |
tinwhiskers | _abc_: source? | 09:05 |
tinwhiskers | (honestly I'm not sure what you're saying) | 09:06 |
_abc_ | The sources I saw are local to me here in .ro and seen over the last 3 days. | 09:06 |
_abc_ | News articles in Romanian. | 09:06 |
_abc_ | What I'm saying is: a) gubmint only reports covid deaths / day and not any others b) some covid deaths reported may not be covid deaths; + stats over the last 10 years show said covid deaths, with possible "shaping", are still half to a third of respiratory disease deaths averaged over 10 years | 09:07 |
Hullo1 | %cases India | 09:07 |
Brainstorm | Hullo1: In India, there have been 78194 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 2551 deaths (3.3% of cases) as of an hour ago. 1.9 million tests were performed (4.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 8.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 09:07 |
_abc_ | tinwhiskers: ^ | 09:07 |
Hullo1 | %cases Russia | 09:08 |
Brainstorm | Hullo1: In Russia, there have been 242271 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2212 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 09:08 |
Hullo1 | Putin's approval rating has fallen down quite a lot during the current pandemic | 09:08 |
Hullo1 | Not that it matters in the least to him | 09:08 |
Hullo1 | Russia is LIFTING it's lockdown despite the virus raging like anything there | 09:08 |
tinwhiskers | a) they only report covid deaths in their *covid reports*... Would yuo expect otherwise? | 09:09 |
_abc_ | Every leader is tanking due to covid, it is unavoidable. Everyone. The orange head, the German Physicist, The Brit. People will vent on the visible head at the top. | 09:09 |
_abc_ | tinwhiskers: I never said "in their covid reports". You said that. | 09:09 |
tinwhiskers | Not every leader. In the countries that are doing well like australia and new zealnd the leaders are gaining a lot of popularity | 09:09 |
tinwhiskers | _abc_: the daily reports are covid reports, so yes they only include covid data | 09:10 |
_abc_ | tinwhiskers: Same fallacy. The leaders did nothing special. They are the visible head to bow to. | 09:10 |
_abc_ | tinwhiskers: except all other deaths are suppressed. There is no other kind of reporting. | 09:10 |
tinwhiskers | well, nevertheless leaders are not "tanking everywhere" | 09:10 |
_abc_ | Mostly tanking most places. | 09:10 |
genera | abc, that story might be complete fake news, | 09:10 |
tinwhiskers | right, many places, not everywhere | 09:11 |
_abc_ | genera: which one. And it is not. The only debatable one is the anecdotic "evidence" (2 reports over a few days) of authorities writing down people who died at home of old age/respiratory complications as covid. | 09:12 |
tinwhiskers | "Every leader is tanking due to covid, it is unavoidable" - incorrect | 09:12 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 07:06 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: How RANTES Can Explain Coronavirus Symptoms | Leronlimab and RANTES → https://is.gd/el26ok | 09:12 |
_abc_ | genera: no testing is done on dead people here. | 09:12 |
_abc_ | I saw Roche has an antibody blood test which was approved in UK now. | 09:13 |
_abc_ | Hope it will come around elsewhere too. | 09:13 |
tinwhiskers | yes, there's several antibody tests in use now | 09:13 |
tinwhiskers | some not so great unfortunately | 09:13 |
_abc_ | Yes I read about that one too but this one seems to be the right one? | 09:13 |
tinwhiskers | that one? | 09:13 |
tinwhiskers | right one? | 09:13 |
_abc_ | Well it was approved for mass deployment in UK, that sounds like it's the right one to me? | 09:14 |
tinwhiskers | I referred to "several" tests... which "one" did you assume I was referring to? | 09:14 |
Hullo1 | Germany has flattened the curve though, right? | 09:15 |
Hullo1 | And South Korea handled it nearly perfectly | 09:15 |
_abc_ | The Roche one is the one I am talking about. Please stop putting words in my mouth tinwhiskers | 09:15 |
Hullo1 | Bolsanaro's the worst, IMO; he refuses to accept that the present situation is even a crisis. | 09:16 |
tinwhiskers | "Yes I read about that one too..." which one (I didn't put those words in your mouth) | 09:16 |
_abc_ | Hullo1: technically, the crisis is artificial. 3% death rate is not going to do to the economy what a lockdown does. This is cynical yes. Note I am over 50yo. | 09:16 |
tinwhiskers | aha. and there is it. | 09:16 |
_abc_ | Hullo1: in earnest, it is a good reaction to protect the weak and to make this massive effort for those 3%. | 09:17 |
tinwhiskers | _abc_: take your conspiracy theories and FUD elsewhere please | 09:17 |
_abc_ | I am talking about the economic crisis. I am sorry tinwhiskers we don't seem to communicate normally. | 09:18 |
tinwhiskers | You came in here making a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense claims. You're right I don't see eye to eye with you. | 09:19 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 09:19 |
_abc_ | I asked if others saw similar things elsewhere. | 09:19 |
_abc_ | Impact of covid on transportation, UK https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/13/17/28352646-8314303-image-a-63_1589386862887.jpg | 09:22 |
_abc_ | Order of least impact is interesting. | 09:23 |
_abc_ | Heavy goods least impacted, light goods next least, car third. All public transport was floored. The latter are the "low pollution" "future" transport modes. Wiped out completely in %. Also meaning most people are not active now, not employed, not participating in the economy. | 09:24 |
_abc_ | Lesson learned, get a car. Plotting bicycle use on the same scales would have been interesting. | 09:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:21 UTC: Coronavirus UK: latest deaths, confirmed cases – and which regions are hardest hit?: Latest figures from public health authorities on the spread of Covid-19 in the United Kingdom. Find out how many confirmed cases have been reported in each of England’s local authorities → https://is.gd/2xHH7Q | 09:33 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5 cases (now 652), +1 deaths (now 12) since a day ago — Oman: +322 cases (now 4341) since a day ago — Armenia: +142 cases (now 3860), +1 deaths (now 49) since a day ago — Ukraine: +422 cases (now 16847), +17 deaths (now 456) since a day ago | 09:38 |
_abc_ | Another interesting UK stat. They are good at publishing these things. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/14/01/28351392-8317633-image-a-112_1589414466093.jpg | 09:39 |
_abc_ | What I see, just guessing: London is past the peak which was achieved fastest due to high density, the others are not! | 09:40 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 07:21 UTC: Coronavirus: Taiwan goes full week without new coronavirus case, goes 32 days without local coronavirus infection → https://is.gd/oMbywN | 09:40 |
_abc_ | Another stat shows only (?) 21% ICU beds are occupied by covid patients. | 09:41 |
Netsk8 | ok nigger | 09:44 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:37 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 09:47 |
Hullo1 | _abc_, are you in UK? | 09:55 |
_abc_ | No but my country does not publish any relevant stats ... | 09:57 |
_abc_ | Let alone snazzy graphs. | 09:57 |
_abc_ | Looking at the UK per city hospitalized covid sick graphs, I'd say "unsuccesfull" lockdown as in London (due to undisciplined people meeting anyway) led to faster and sharper peak than elsewhere in the country. | 09:58 |
_abc_ | It's probably looking the same in other big cities in the world vs. countryside. | 09:59 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:48 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS | 10:01 |
spectr0[m] | %data russia | 10:02 |
Brainstorm | spectr0[m]: In Russia, there have been 252245 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2305 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 10:02 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 08:05 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 10:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:09 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS | 10:22 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | <Netsk8 "ok nigger"> hi blackie | 10:30 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Minister admits more testing capacity needed for care homes → https://is.gd/yTfYTv | 10:36 |
stvnstck | hello? | 10:37 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | echo! | 10:39 |
stvnstck | right, weimarnetzbot | 10:41 |
stvnstck | echo! | 10:41 |
stvnstck | *screams into the void* | 10:41 |
stvnstck | coughs into the void? | 10:42 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | heh | 10:42 |
stvnstck | so what's the latest? i've been trying to catch up on the situation around the world. it's looking grim and uncertain. | 10:45 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | at least in germany the numbers for today got better | 10:45 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases germany | 10:45 |
CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 174,098 cases as of 2020-05-14 08:20:00 UTC. Of these 15,937 (9.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 150,300 (86.3%) have definitely recovered and 7,861 (4.5%) have died. | 10:45 |
stvnstck | that's good | 10:46 |
stvnstck | so infection rates going down. are yall beginning to reopen certain areas of your economy? | 10:47 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | it started last week here or so.. and slowly lockers the restrictions | 10:48 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | but there are bad news too | 10:48 |
stvnstck | bad news? | 10:48 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | it's more and more clear, that this is not a lung/throat virus | 10:49 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | it can hurt many organs, that will be bad news for ppl with organ related diseases | 10:49 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | and we see some chilren dying with kawazaki disease | 10:50 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | caused by coroa and organ damage | 10:50 |
stvnstck | very sad when children die | 10:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:45 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS | 10:50 |
stvnstck | so it is transmitted by lung/throat but ultimately is a cardiovascular | 10:51 |
stvnstck | thanks Brianstorm | 10:51 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | not only.. liver.. brain.... | 10:51 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe all | 10:51 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | kidneys | 10:52 |
aKpaHucTT | exit | 10:58 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 08:46 UTC: Coronavirus: Pensioners 34 times more likely to die of Covid-19 than working age Brits, data shows → https://is.gd/tYILsC | 11:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Afghanistan: +413 cases (now 5639), +4 deaths (now 136) since 21 hours ago — Russia: +9974 cases (now 252245), +93 deaths (now 2305) since a day ago — World: +11034 cases (now 4.4 million), +125 deaths (now 298449) since an hour ago — Poland: +265 cases (now 17469), +8 deaths (now 869) since 17 hours ago | 11:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:58 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 11:12 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: FBI serves warrant on Sen. Burr in investigation of sale of stocks during coronavirus outbreak (10002 votes) | https://redd.it/gjec3s | 11:16 |
Olwen | http://covid19-phenomics.org/PrototypeOurRiskCoV.html | 11:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases pass 250,000; global infections top 4.3 million: Russia's cases have now surpassed 250,000 and more than 4.3 million people are the globe have now been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 11:19 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:24 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 11:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:38 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases pass 250,000; global infections top 4.3 million: Russia's cases have now surpassed 250,000 and more than 4.3 million people are the globe have now been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/HMNPxW | 11:40 |
python476 | o/ | 11:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:49 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS | 11:54 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:04 UTC: UK coronavirus live: minister admits more testing capacity needed for care homes: Health minister Edward Argar concedes government still needs to ‘make available’ Covid-19 testing capacity so all care home residents → https://is.gd/yTfYTv | 12:08 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Albania: +18 cases (now 898) since 22 hours ago — Bhutan: +4 cases (now 19) since 7 hours ago — Belgium: +307 cases (now 54288), +60 deaths (now 8903) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1041 cases (now 18863), +14 deaths (now 283) since a day ago | 12:09 |
Olwen | \o | 12:14 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:20 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 12:30 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:33 UTC: Covid antibody test a 'positive development': The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB | 14:41 |
python476 | US on their sweet way to 100k | 14:44 |
python476 | some article titled "Trump killed 100k person in plain sight" for controvery effect | 14:44 |
LjL | my internet is dead, hurray | 14:46 |
LjL | looking forward to random technicians inside the place | 14:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says US military will distribute a vaccine later this year → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 14:48 |
yuriwho | I was wondering LjL | 14:49 |
yuriwho | about your internet | 14:49 |
LjL | yuriwho, i will have to disable the news feed i think, i'm tunnelling through phone internet for like five minutes, and already 60MB used | 14:50 |
yuriwho | I chewed up 40 GB of cell data on my phone last month so I upped it to 50GB. I wish it was unlimited here | 14:52 |
yuriwho | and I avoided unnecessary video watching | 14:53 |
LjL | yuriwho, i do have 50GB which came as a data-only SIM as a "freebie" with my landline fiber account. turns out... it's too often needed | 14:53 |
LjL | yuriwho, ironically and irksome enough, they've now repeatedly texted me with spam like "Why don't you get a landline with us for only €25 a month? It comes with UNLIMITED data on your phone" | 14:53 |
LjL | well fuck you, thank you very much, maybe upgrade my existing one instead of putting it in my face how much better new customers have it, huh | 14:54 |
LjL | the good thing is my OpenWrt router is set up so that i just have to connect my phone to the USB, and to my LAN it's almost like i'm using landline internet. the bad thing... is that my LAN *acts* as if i'm using landline internet. | 14:55 |
LjL | i've not disabled the news feed for now, it'll just be polled less often | 14:57 |
LjL^ | well i guess the other bad thing is that the phone i'm using likes to crash randomly | 15:00 |
Brainstormie | New from CNBC Health at 13:12 UTC: The coronavirus pandemic is causing a mental health crisis, the UN warns: The United Nations has warned that the coronavirus pandemic "has the seeds of a major mental health crisis" and that substantial investment is needed in support services. → https://is.gd/YR0qCp | 15:17 |
Brainstormie | New from CNBC Health at 13:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, CVS to offer drive-thru tests → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 15:36 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: For-profit nursing homes have four times as many COVID-19 deaths as city-run homes, Star analysis finds (10009 votes) | https://redd.it/gj8aso | 15:48 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, CVS to offer drive-thru tests → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 16:17 |
Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:24 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 233151 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 33614 deaths (14.4% of cases) as of 37 minutes ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (10.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 16:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for West Virginia, US: +23 cases (now 1427), +1 deaths (now 60) since 17 hours ago — Yemen: +15 cases (now 85) since a day ago — Maryland, US: +1091 cases (now 35903), +57 deaths (now 1866) since a day ago — US: +1527 cases (now 1.4 million), +74 deaths (now 85342) since 51 minutes ago | 16:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV | 16:46 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Severe vitamin D deficiency in patients with Kawasaki disease: a potential role in the risk to develop heart vascular abnormalities? - PubMed (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjk5kb | 16:48 |
kalakut4 | !covid US | 16:56 |
CoronaBot | USA: Global rank: #1, cases: 1,433,613 (+3,265), fatalities: 85,342 (+145), active cases: 1,037,856, total recovered: 310,415, in a serious condition: 16,337. Mortality: 5.95%, case fatality rate: 21.56%, cases/1M: 4331.0, deaths/1M: 258.0. Case rate: 21,712/24h, death rate: 1,772/24h. Tests: 10,309,343, tests/1M: 31,146. | 16:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 17:00 |
CodeB | !covid PT | 17:02 |
CoronaBot | Portugal: Global rank: #24, cases: 28,319 (+187), fatalities: 1,184 (+9), active cases: 23,937, total recovered: 3,198, in a serious condition: 108. Mortality: 4.18%, case fatality rate: 27.02%, cases/1M: 2777.0, deaths/1M: 116.0. Case rate: 219/24h, death rate: 12/24h. Tests: 582,341, tests/1M: 57,111. | 17:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:08 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV | 17:14 |
spectr0[m] | %data thailand | 17:19 |
Brainstorm | spectr0[m]: In Thailand, there have been 3018 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 56 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 286008 tests were performed (1.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data. | 17:19 |
LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews at 13:59 UTC: worldnews: Airlines must take steps to keep carbon emissions down when flights resume so that the lower levels recorded during the COVID-19 pandemic can be entrenched, PM Boris Johnson said: “Inadvertently, the planet this year will (have) greatly reduced its CO2 emissions ...we need to entrench those gains” → https://is.gd/4s3vLt | 17:21 |
LjL | now Johnson is an environmentalist?! | 17:21 |
LjL | clearly that is evidence that COVID has neurological effects | 17:21 |
NoImNotNineVolt | ha | 17:23 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mozambique: +8 cases (now 115) since an hour ago — Iowa, US: +386 cases (now 13675), +12 deaths (now 318) since 23 hours ago — Florida, US: +808 cases (now 43210), +46 deaths (now 1875) since 23 hours ago — US: +1316 cases (now 1.4 million), +60 deaths (now 85402) since 50 minutes ago | 17:24 |
foncused | %cases uk | 17:25 |
Brainstorm | foncused: In United Kingdom, there have been 233151 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 33614 deaths (14.4% of cases) as of an hour ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (10.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 17:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:14 UTC: Coronavirus US live: whistleblower warns 'time is running out' as Covid-19 continues to spread: Bright: ‘The window is closing to address this pandemic’ 36m Americans now unemployed as another 3m file for benefits Where is the CDC? How Trump sidelined the agency South Dakota governor threatens to sue over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/oecTWZ | 17:28 |
Biep[m] | %cases nl | 17:34 |
Brainstorm | Biep[m]: In Netherlands, there have been 43481 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 5590 deaths (12.9% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 282776 tests were performed (15.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 17:34 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +2659 cases (now 37040), +22 deaths (now 368) since 23 hours ago — Cabo Verde: +26 cases (now 315) since a day ago — Rhode Island, US: +181 cases (now 12016), +6 deaths (now 468) since 23 hours ago — World: +2866 cases (now 4.5 million), +28 deaths (now 299718) since 22 minutes ago | 17:39 |
foncused | :quit | 17:41 |
foncused | lol | 17:41 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 17:49 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: The coronavirus pandemic is causing a mental health crisis, the UN warns: The United Nations has warned that the coronavirus pandemic "has the seeds of a major mental health crisis" and that substantial investment is needed in support services. → https://is.gd/YR0qCp | 17:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 18:03 |
dividediff[m] | I changed a setting, i might be able to see brainstorm bot. Is it still being used? | 18:07 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Delaware, US: +271 cases (now 7223), +13 deaths (now 260) since 22 hours ago — Czechia: +55 cases (now 8330), +2 deaths (now 292) since 7 hours ago — Bahrain: +253 cases (now 6069) since 21 hours ago — Indiana, US: +580 cases (now 26053), +27 deaths (now 1646) since a day ago | 18:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:03 UTC: Carnival: Cruise firm Carnival slashes jobs and pay in face of Covid-19 crisis → https://is.gd/M6IhrC | 18:10 |
ubLXI | dividediff[m]: ? | 18:12 |
ubLXI | suppose you meant "i might not be able to"? | 18:12 |
dividediff[m] | okay i see it thxs | 18:12 |
ubLXI | k | 18:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 18:17 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, new cases in Europe trend lower → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 18:24 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination prevents SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in rhesus macaques (87 votes) | https://redd.it/gjoynw | 18:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:41 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV | 18:45 |
tiredthinker[m] | The curve of "daily new infected people in US/British" looked totally different with other countries. Never saw such type of curve all over history. | 18:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, new cases in Europe trend lower → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 18:59 |
Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 17:10 UTC: PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - COMUNICATO: Comunicato relativo al decreto-legge 10 maggio 2020, n. 29, recante:«Misure urgenti in materia di detenzione domiciliare o differimentodell'esecuzione della pena, nonche' in materia di sostituzione dellacustodia cautelare in carcere con [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6SvI6d | 19:14 |
withorwithout | hey, so apparently RT-PCR tests gives a significant amount of false-negatives. Not sure if you already saw this but just in case https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 | 19:15 |
withorwithout | so, that study they did in that small town in Italy may have a lot of those :/ | 19:15 |
withorwithout | hmm I better check if there's a reddit thread already on that, that should have a nice discussion | 19:18 |
withorwithout | https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/gjgst2/variation_in_falsenegative_rate_of_reverse/ | 19:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 19:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, US: +827 cases (now 33489), +36 deaths (now 2417) since 23 hours ago — Alabama, US: +195 cases (now 10895), +16 deaths (now 466) since 17 hours ago — Maine, US: +50 cases (now 1565), +3 deaths (now 69) since a day ago — South Africa: +665 cases (now 12739), +19 deaths (now 238) since 20 hours ago | 19:24 |
withorwithout | surprisingly not much has been said about this, tbh | 19:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Chad: +27 cases (now 399), +4 deaths (now 46) since a day ago — Madagascar: +18 cases (now 230) since a day ago — Georgia (US), US: +65 cases (now 35858), +4 deaths (now 1527) since 3 hours ago — Brazil: +217 cases (now 196375), +4 deaths (now 13555) since an hour ago | 19:39 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:36 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to reopen beaches; official global death toll nears 300,000: Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed; Japan eases state of emergency in many regions → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 19:42 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Outbreak of Kawasaki disease in children during COVID-19 pandemic: a prospective observational study in Paris, France (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gjldl1 | 19:43 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:46 UTC: (news): WHO warns it could take up to 5 years before the coronavirus pandemic is under control → https://is.gd/uGsl6R | 19:49 |
LjL | christ WHO stop it now, it just doesn't help | 19:49 |
bin_bash | the WHO needs to be dismantled and rebuilt without china | 19:52 |
withorwithout | great band, though | 19:53 |
kalakut4 | the UN should be dismantled and rebuilt without permanent members | 19:53 |
withorwithout | yeah, the fundamental problem is deeper | 19:53 |
lance0000 | Wisconsin Bars filling up with people. #weDead | 19:54 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +426 cases (now 23827), +9 deaths (now 1506) since a day ago — South Dakota, US: +60 cases (now 3792), +4 deaths (now 43) since 20 hours ago — New Jersey, US: +623 cases (now 143484), +219 deaths (now 9946) since 17 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +124 cases (now 11320), +13 deaths (now 422) since a day ago | 19:54 |
withorwithout | lance0000: others tag it with #fun | 19:55 |
lance0000 | beta testers? :) | 19:55 |
withorwithout | haha | 19:55 |
Haley[mt][m] | <Brainstorm "Updates for Chad: +27 cases (now"> ! cases spain | 19:55 |
Haley[mt][m] | !cases spain | 19:56 |
CovBot | In Spain there have been a total of 272,646 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 58,845 (21.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 186,480 (68.4%) have definitely recovered and 27,321 (10.0%) have died. | 19:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:51 UTC: Watch: CNBC's Healthy Returns Virtual Summit - The path forward for the health care industry at a time of unprecedented challenges: CNBC presents a virtual event featuring top health care CEOs, technologists and investors, exploring the ways the most innovative companies are addressing the coronavirus crisis, and the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/f537DZ | 19:56 |
Haley[mt][m] | !cases guyane | 19:56 |
CovBot | My data doesn't seem to include guyane. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. | 19:56 |
CovBot | If you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look. | 19:56 |
withorwithout | !cases Guyana | 19:57 |
CovBot | In Guyana there have been a total of 113 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 62 (54.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 41 (36.3%) have definitely recovered and 10 (8.8%) have died. | 19:57 |
Haley[mt][m] | !cases French Guiana | 19:57 |
CovBot | In French Guiana there have been a total of 153 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 28 (18.3%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 124 (81.0%) have definitely recovered and 1 (0.7%) have died. | 19:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | NY mysterious kids disease will silence all "lock away the old" idiocy now, no? | 20:00 |
bin_bash | what? | 20:00 |
genera | the not-quite-similar-to-Kawasakis syndrome | 20:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | CoronaBot: ^^^ | 20:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | damn, no highlight intended | 20:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.startpage.com/do/search?query=NY+mysterious+kids+disease | 20:03 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 20:03 |
bin_bash | i was just having issues parsing the sentence | 20:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | heart, liver, brain, kidneys also get attacked by virus - study of a german university | 20:06 |
withorwithout | Also seen in Italy https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31103-X/fulltext | 20:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | SARS-COV2 should now be called SACVS-COV2 but that is impossible to speak. cardio-vascular disease | 20:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:04 UTC: (news): Watch live: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/AY9ATO | 20:10 |
withorwithout | Ok, but this might as well just be a correlation vs. causation issue, I guess more information is needed | 20:11 |
withorwithout | but the association is there, to say the least | 20:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hardly, several hundred incidents have a high significance | 20:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | particularly with such bizarre otherwise rare symptioms | 20:13 |
bin_bash | DocScrutinizer05: the febrile inflammation disorder is not a NY-specific thing | 20:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it _might_ be an opportunistic secondary infection | 20:14 |
withorwithout | I don't know if not being treated on time for other symptoms/conditions due to hospitals not treating people other than COVID is ruled out, for example | 20:14 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:11 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to reopen beaches; official global death toll nears 300,000: Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed; Japan eases state of emergency in many regions → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 20:17 |
withorwithout | That "The Lancet" article seems to lack a control group or information on the control baseline, as far as I can see | 20:17 |
withorwithout | "This study has the limitations of a relatively small case series, requiring confirmation in larger groups." | 20:18 |
withorwithout | and the incidence is 1 in 1000, from that | 20:19 |
goathearder_101[ | <LjL "<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNew"> Perspectives on the pandemic | 20:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:24 UTC: Food & drink industry: UK's largest pubs group agrees lockdown 'rent credit' for tenants → https://is.gd/4GKwVc | 20:31 |
IndoAnon | hmm | 20:35 |
IndoAnon | DocScrutinizer05: how about OFID-COV2 (Organ Failure Inducing Disease)? | 20:36 |
LjL | i've started this section about the children issue, for now if you have any paper about it, or even random article as long as it contains some information from doctors, please provide and i'll add | 20:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 20:38 |
withorwithout | LjL: should get the 611 episode of TWIV they talk about this in the first 15-20 mins or so | 20:38 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: First study carried out on herd immunity of the population in the whole territory of Slovenia (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gjn1lr | 20:44 |
Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:49 UTC: ljl-covid: Add TWIV 611 (YouTube link for timestamp) → https://is.gd/yGAaQC | 20:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Starbucks seeks a break on rent; Schumer optimistic of a relief deal → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 20:59 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | new corona update with drosten here: https://mediandr-a.akamaihd.net/download/podcasts/podcast4684/AU-20200514-1347-1300.mp3 (german ofcourse) | 21:00 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | but there's an transcript somewehr | 21:00 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | *somewhere | 21:00 |
withorwithout | weimarnetzbot[m]: summary? | 21:08 |
withorwithout | :P | 21:08 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | still not had the time today for it.. guess tomorow... but i gues they talk about the organ problems, ppl could get | 21:09 |
Brainstorm | Updates for France: +810 cases (now 178870), +351 deaths (now 27425) since a day ago — Ohio, US: +628 cases (now 26357), +49 deaths (now 1534) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +811 cases (now 73331), +131 deaths (now 5468) since an hour ago — Puerto Rico: +98 cases (now 2427), +2 deaths (now 117) since 10 hours ago | 21:09 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | will update you all tomorow, after listening to it | 21:09 |
withorwithout | ok | 21:14 |
weimarnetzbot[m] | but maybe other ppl already did and can report a little about the content of that issue | 21:16 |
Albright | !title https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/14/856075037/wisconsin-bars-reopen-after-court-strikes-down-safer-at-home-bans | 21:21 |
Albright | Was it %title? Anyway, Wisonsin's stay-at-home order was found unconstitutional, surprise surprise | 21:22 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Costa Rica: +15 cases (now 830) since 18 hours ago — New York, US: +1429 cases (now 352964), +696 deaths (now 27403) since 22 minutes ago — Wisconsin, US: +373 cases (now 11275), +13 deaths (now 434) since a day ago — Tennessee, US: +329 cases (now 16699), +14 deaths (now 287) since 23 hours ago | 21:24 |
withorwithout | Albright: npr :/ | 21:25 |
Albright | yeah, well, it was the first article that turned up when I searched. | 21:25 |
trajanus[m] | https://twitter.com/realjuliasong/status/1260953131258646528?s=20 | 21:29 |
withorwithout | trajanus[m]: that has nothing to do with the topic of the channel, fwiw | 21:32 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'OPEN IMMEDIATELY!': Wisconsinites head out to bars after state stay-at-home orders lifted (10155 votes) | https://redd.it/gjl4pi | 21:38 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mongolia: +37 cases (now 98) since 15 hours ago — Germany: +52 cases (now 174636) since 20 minutes ago — World: +89 cases (now 4.5 million) since 20 minutes ago | 21:39 |
genera | Frankfurt seems to behave exavtly opposite to Wisconsin https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/restaurants-duerfen-ab-freitag-oeffnen---viele-bleiben-trotzdem-zu,restaurants-dicht-corona-102.html | 21:50 |
Arsanerit | I live near Frankfurt | 21:54 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Michigan, US: +1191 cases (now 49582), +73 deaths (now 4787) since a day ago — Illinois, US: +3239 cases (now 87937), +136 deaths (now 3928) since 23 hours ago — US: +4514 cases (now 1.4 million), +210 deaths (now 86454) since 35 minutes ago — Brazil: +1463 cases (now 197838), +63 deaths (now 13618) since 2 hours ago | 21:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global deaths top 300,000 as U.S. states move ahead with reopening → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 21:56 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:58 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Confirmed global death toll passes 300,000: Infections near 4.5m; Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 22:10 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: IU, ISDH release preliminary findings about impact of COVID-19 in Indiana (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjbi3c | 22:20 |
ryouma | a marketer would not call it herd immunity | 22:23 |
LjL | they'd call it "smart immunity" maybe, as they do with things that aren't really what they claim but come close thanks to some trick | 22:24 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Togo: +19 cases (now 238) since a day ago — Uganda: +21 cases (now 160) since 22 hours ago — Connecticut, US: +609 cases (now 35464), +94 deaths (now 3219) since 23 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +314 cases (now 63122), +8 deaths (now 4320) since 3 hours ago | 22:24 |
python476 | immunitox 5000 tabs or syrup | 22:33 |
LjL | python476, "-tox" final... beginner mistake! | 22:39 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +4298 cases (now 80604), +98 deaths (now 2267) since a day ago — Alaska, US: +4 cases (now 387) since 2 days ago — New Jersey, US: +104 cases (now 143588), +4 deaths (now 9950) since 2 hours ago — World: +4717 cases (now 4.5 million), +121 deaths (now 302420) since 20 minutes ago | 22:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global deaths top 300,000 as job losses hit lowest earners → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 22:45 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:43 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Confirmed global death toll passes 300,000: Infections near 4.5m; Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed → https://is.gd/gITGtR | 22:52 |
aradesh | graph of UK fatalaties VS the last 5 years average: https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc807/fig1/line/fallback.png | 22:55 |
nixonix | https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-05-14-expert-on-the-number-of-infected-in-spain--%22not-good-for-sweden%22.SJ7YXdH9cU.html | 22:56 |
nixonix | %title | 22:56 |
Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.tellerreport.com: Expert on the number of infected in Spain: "not good for Sweden" - Teller Report | 22:56 |
withorwithout | nixonix: ah nice, even though it may be too soon to tell at that large scale, still. I wonder if there are any news on the study from Bavaria (Germany) | 23:01 |
nixonix | those most interesting are from high prevalence areas, like ny city, lombardy or parts of it, and madrid. with enough people, samples etc because bad specificity of antibody tests. and from germany we only have march mortality data to see the real amount of fatalities with decent accuracy (comparing to several previous years, and considering this flu A season was very easy) | 23:04 |
withorwithout | nixonix: btw, I think the PCR testing is even worse according to latest studies | 23:06 |
withorwithout | in terms of specificity | 23:06 |
withorwithout | nixonix: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 in case you've missed it | 23:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global deaths top 300,000 as job losses hit lowest earners → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 23:07 |
withorwithout | nixonix: do you have information on the specificity of the antibody tests for covid-19? | 23:08 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritania: +4 cases (now 20) since 14 hours ago — California, US: +1219 cases (now 74391), +1 deaths (now 3033) since 2 hours ago — Texas, US: +416 cases (now 44002), +14 deaths (now 1232) since an hour ago — US: +1648 cases (now 1.5 million), +15 deaths (now 86599) since 36 minutes ago | 23:10 |
withorwithout | Because I've read numbers of 99%-100% for sensitivity and specificity for antibodies tests, for example: https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm and there was a UK one that was even faster and gained some hype | 23:10 |
withorwithout | The advantage of antibodies test is that antibodies last longer and you can actually detect different ones... as opposed with the PCR testing of the virus | 23:11 |
nixonix | depends on tests. and those specificities are usually only manufacturers own claims. i assume best ones are something like 95-97% specific, unless those upcoming later this month or next month are really better, as some manufacturers have promised | 23:11 |
nixonix | those that test for IgG (and possibly also IgM and IgA) | 23:11 |
withorwithout | nixonix: yes, but that's still pretty good, compared to PCR testing | 23:12 |
nixonix | but neutralising (slow, expensive) assays are over 99% | 23:12 |
nixonix | PCR tests cant be used after the virus is eliminated | 23:12 |
withorwithout | I know | 23:12 |
nixonix | so different purpose | 23:12 |
withorwithout | yes | 23:12 |
nixonix | also PCR tests, if they are good quality, dont give much false positives. but many of them can have bad sensitivity (as is said about us private lab tests) | 23:14 |
nixonix | but even for top quality PCR tests they might not necessarily catch the virus from eg swab, if its not there, but in lungs, organs etc only (anymore, or ever was) | 23:15 |
withorwithout | nixonix: the specificity is bad, apparently. Check the link. | 23:16 |
withorwithout | sensitivity should be ok (near 100% I'd assume) | 23:16 |
dunnp | yea false positives are higher with qPCR I'd think | 23:18 |
withorwithout | dunnp: false negatives you mean? | 23:19 |
dunnp | no | 23:20 |
withorwithout | specificity = false negatives | 23:20 |
withorwithout | isn't it? | 23:20 |
nixonix | yeah i know roche is one of those (with good reputation too) that have promised very specific antobody tests. but those numbers are so high, id like to see that properly validated | 23:20 |
dunnp | specificity is TN/(TN+FP) | 23:20 |
withorwithout | yes, or TN/N | 23:21 |
withorwithout | so if you have N > TN specificity is lower, that means more False Negatives | 23:21 |
withorwithout | dunnp: ah nvm, gotcha | 23:21 |
dunnp | no | 23:21 |
withorwithout | yes | 23:21 |
withorwithout | sorry, anyways, the problem is with the false negatives :P | 23:21 |
withorwithout | as with the paper linked | 23:21 |
dunnp | FN isn't in the equation for specificity | 23:22 |
withorwithout | I know | 23:22 |
withorwithout | just realized, I always mixed these two | 23:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:15 UTC: Health: Coronavirus Australia live news: mental health plan a top priority for national cabinet – latest updates → https://is.gd/QCq6ao | 23:28 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mayotte: +67 cases (now 1210), +2 deaths (now 16) since a day ago — Bermuda: +1 cases (now 122), +1 deaths (now 9) since 2 days ago — Somalia: +65 cases (now 1284), +1 deaths (now 53) since a day ago — Germany: +41 cases (now 174950), +2 deaths (now 7926) since 31 minutes ago | 23:35 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 1,741 Yesterday: 1,693 One week ago (5/7): 2,746 Newly reported cases T: 25K Y: 20K 5/7 28K Newly reported tests T: 367K Y: 324K 5/7: 304K Positive test rate T: 7% Y: 6% 5/7: 9%" → https://is.gd/A0tb5f | 23:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Nascar to return to Georgia in June without fans, New Jersey beaches to reopen → https://is.gd/U0S0xE | 23:42 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Eq. Guinea: +61 cases (now 583), +1 deaths (now 7) since a day ago — Massachusetts, US: +1685 cases (now 82182) since a day ago — Guinea-Bissau: +77 cases (now 913) since a day ago — Kentucky, US: +145 cases (now 7225), +2 deaths (now 328) since a day ago | 23:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:46 UTC: Health: Coronavirus Australia live news: mental health plan a top priority for national cabinet – latest updates → https://is.gd/QCq6ao | 23:56 |
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