CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 mink-associated variant strain - Denmark (80 votes) | https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/ | https://redd.it/jqaax6 | 00:05 |
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Brainstorm | Updates for Sudan: +278 deaths (now 1115) since 5 hours ago — Uruguay: +73 cases (now 3514), +1 deaths (now 62) since 23 hours ago — US: +115298 cases (now 10.3 million), +562 deaths (now 243731) since a day ago | 00:06 |
de-facto | hmm with those mink farms, is the origin of that mutation really determined to have occurred in the minks themselves? Sure it was found there, but can it be excluded that it originated from somewhere else spreading into the mink population? At least its known to pass forth and back between minks and humans... What about the mink food sources or possible contacts to other animals? | 00:10 |
de-facto | would be of importance to ensure the real reservoir where that mutation occurred is eliminated completely | 00:11 |
de-facto | (btw not saying it did not mutate in the minks, would make sense that it did, just curious about exclusions of potential other sources) | 00:12 |
Brainstorm | New from NPR: COVID-19 Cases Top 50 Million Globally, U.S. Nears 10 Million: The U.S., India and Brazil lead with the most cases and account for nearly half of the world count. The U.S. alone is poised to hit 10 million cases as hospitalizations continue to climb. → https://is.gd/w7zpeT | 00:13 |
LjL | de-facto, i don't know but the guys in TWIV were also a bit perplexed about that | 00:19 |
LjL | but really, we have the danish government's press conference, and the WHO statement which says even less than that | 00:19 |
LjL | and the sequences, okay | 00:19 |
LjL | until there's some real published info... who knows | 00:19 |
LjL | however, i assume some mink (not just humans) have been sequenced | 00:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +116157 cases (now 10.3 million), +551 deaths (now 243737) since a day ago | 00:20 |
LjL | with enough being sequenced, i assume it should be possible to create a tree just like you do within countries and exclude enough to be able to reconstruct where in the tree something goes...? (in which cases, humans_1, or mink, or humans_2) | 00:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: probability says it mutated in minks. The likelihood of mutation * jumping-species-barrier is extremely low | 00:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it would be more than just strange to see exavtly that max dozen of people with the new strain then going to infect minks but not other people | 00:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | while within a gew millions ofminks a mutuation is not all that unlikely | 00:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a few* mio | 00:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | must have spread there among them like mad | 00:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the concerning thing with all mutations that don't fade away is: they must have an evolutionary advantage to dominate over theri ancestor strain | 00:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +115924 cases (now 10.3 million) since a day ago | 00:35 |
de-facto | what i meant is excluding the possibility that it mutated in some other carrier before it was passed on into the mink population and from there to humans | 00:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +4058 cases (now 264113), +24 deaths (now 10522) since a day ago — US: +109855 cases (now 10.3 million) since a day ago | 00:51 |
de-facto | sure the mink population of 17M is quite big and probably with quite some prevalence, so indeed they are the most likely source of that mutation | 00:51 |
de-facto | still would be important to exclude other natural reservoirs e.g. their food supply chain or even local animal populations such as rodents, cats, birds?, whatever | 00:52 |
de-facto | or other farm animals if the food supply came from slaughter houses or such | 00:53 |
de-facto | just saying it should be investigated to be sure (even if improbable), given the magnitude of other measures they implement it would be appropriate imho | 00:54 |
de-facto | because after some time circumstances will have changed too much to do a Sherlock Holmes on that | 00:58 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +110976 cases (now 10.3 million), +517 deaths (now 243740) since a day ago | 01:06 |
LjL | de-facto, if they're hypothizing seagulls, because they went and tested the foot of a seagull, that to me says they are sherlock holmesing already, as far as they can | 01:14 |
LjL | but if 17 million sounds like a lot, imagine the total number of mammals in denmark | 01:14 |
de-facto | yeah makes sense, hopefully they really do look into that | 01:16 |
de-facto | i did not remember, were birds thought to be susceptible or not? | 01:17 |
de-facto | afaik i remember from a podcast that rodents are susceptible | 01:19 |
de-facto | at least some of them | 01:19 |
de-facto | i think in general this should be investigated further, potential new animal reservoirs for SARS-CoV-2 especially in mass farming etc because obviously that would be very relevant for vaccinations | 01:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +113926 cases (now 10.3 million), +528 deaths (now 243754) since a day ago | 01:21 |
de-facto | but also in wild populations of course | 01:21 |
de-facto | because those are even harder to control if at all | 01:22 |
de-facto | i mean why would the cluster 5 incident be THE exception, it just demonstrates it easily can spill over with some species | 01:23 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +6192 cases (now 410595), +56 deaths (now 8016) since a day ago — Canada: +24 deaths (now 10531) since 23 hours ago | 01:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +113235 cases (now 10.3 million), +528 deaths (now 243756) since a day ago | 01:50 |
LjL | de-facto, i don't think any bird has been found susceptible. they blame seagulls but as carriers on their bodies (hypothetically) | 01:50 |
de-facto | well that would make sense, seagulls are very aggressively hunting for any foods (so probably also everything accessible on such mink farms) | 01:52 |
de-facto | but if they would not be susceptible themselves they would not be a natural reservoir able to produce dangerous mutations | 01:53 |
de-facto | but maybe give the pathogen a "ride" between susceptible populations of animals | 01:54 |
de-facto | so can UK ban seagull traveling aswell? | 01:55 |
de-facto | what if those mink farms let dead minks lay in open skies and seagulls tried to feed on the corpses? what if the food for the minks (in other farms) also was left under open skies and seagulls with contaminated beaks would try to feed on that prior to it being given to the minks? | 01:59 |
de-facto | what if those seagulls carry it to other (wild or farmed) animal populations that may serve as potential natural reservoir? | 02:00 |
de-facto | (ok admitted thats all speculation) | 02:00 |
LjL | some posts skeptical on the utility of non-N95 masks here (as in, thinking they don't help to a meaningful extent) https://np.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jqg7wm/wearing_of_cloth_or_disposable_surgical_face/ | 02:01 |
LjL | de-facto, you made that objection before and i thought it made sense... however maybe since they plan to cull *all* the minks, they don't care much about whether seagulls can transfer it to other minks. but that's riddled with problems, such as: what about infecting other mammals? what about mink in other countries close enough for seagulls to fly to? | 02:03 |
de-facto | why would one intuitively cover mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing? because its disgusting how much saliva is spitted, same goes for talking loudly, so why would one question that blocking the flight path of such droplets with a (community cotton) mask is not effective in preventing spitting all those on the people around? | 02:03 |
de-facto | LjL, yeah exactly my thinking | 02:04 |
tinwhiskers | agendas | 02:04 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +109778 cases (now 10.3 million) since a day ago | 02:05 |
LjL | i don't think you can just brush it off as "agendas", it's r/COVID19 and people are not just being politics fussers | 02:06 |
de-facto | and btw: since >44% of infections happen prior to symptoms it does not matter if they argue about masks in "healthy" people or not, its just not a valid point because of asymptomatic infection being a big issue | 02:06 |
LjL | Italy is an example where there has been a mask mandate for quite a while, and although it may have delayed the spike compared to other European countries (has it? of course it could be many other things), a spike that's *way* more than the system can handle is happening anyway | 02:06 |
LjL | so at least, the whole "if everyone wore mask that would keep it under control" argument seems to shake a little with Italy | 02:07 |
LjL | de-facto, the only time "healthy" is mentioned is in the study, but the study isn't the one saying masks are not useful, some commenters are | 02:07 |
LjL | the study is just trying to say they don't make it harder to breathe, so if anything it's there to convince people to use them | 02:08 |
LjL | see specifically https://np.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jqg7wm/wearing_of_cloth_or_disposable_surgical_face/gbnc66c/ and https://np.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jqg7wm/wearing_of_cloth_or_disposable_surgical_face/gbn4e3h/ | 02:08 |
de-facto | ok protection of the carrier is questionable for cotton community masks indeed, but protection of others from droplets (even more important because of overdispersion, minorities causing majority of next gen infections) is obviously given by them (e.g. in any situations where physical distance can not be kept, even outdoors), yet of course now indoors aerosol plays a big role and probably for preventing transmission by that they are not | 02:09 |
de-facto | so effective indeed | 02:09 |
de-facto | there always will be asocial idiots refusing to wear masks (just as in the yt video above) and also medical doctors attesting they wont have to wear masks. to be honest in my opinion such "doctors" did potentially harm to the health of many people hence act against the hippocratic oath. They should loose their license permanently and such individuals excluded from society until they rethink their reckless and anti-social behavior. | 02:12 |
de-facto | there simply is NO possibility of any medical reason to be unable to wear a mask. simple as that. | 02:13 |
de-facto | if any medical doctor is of different opinion, i want to see that data | 02:14 |
de-facto | i mean sure, its not convenient to wear masks, well its also not convenient to get infected. | 02:15 |
de-facto | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s | 02:19 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube | 02:19 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +110036 cases (now 10.3 million), +512 deaths (now 243759) since a day ago | 02:20 |
de-facto | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc | 02:22 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube | 02:22 |
de-facto | %title https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/21/8110/htm | 02:24 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.mdpi.com: IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Wearing of Cloth or Disposable Surgical Face Masks has no Effect on Vigorous Exercise Performance in Healthy Individuals | HTML | 02:24 |
de-facto | yeah i did try that myself too, driving bicycle with a dense FFP3, SpO2 was 98% and I did not had the feeling of being out of breath earlier or such | 02:25 |
jacklsw | really? | 02:28 |
jacklsw | running is a bit difficult with surgical mask | 02:28 |
jacklsw | maybe i should try again | 02:29 |
de-facto | yes i was curious about it, i bought an FFP3 (with exhale vent) and actually there is noticeable air resistance breathing through that, so is something to get used to, but i did not have the feeling that it would restrict me in any way after some time | 02:29 |
de-facto | so i took my pulseoximeter with me and did some intermediate measurements during bicycle driving with the mask, it as 98% so even higher than my usual ~96-97% (I was chainsmoker till March of 2020) | 02:31 |
derpadmin | %cases canada | 02:33 |
Brainstorm | derpadmin: In Canada, there have been 264113 confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 10531 deaths (4.0% of cases) as of 58 minutes ago. 9.9 million tests were performed (2.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 02:33 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +110546 cases (now 10.3 million), +521 deaths (now 243768) since a day ago | 02:36 |
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Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +5941 cases (now 412011), +52 deaths (now 8027) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +3713 cases (now 264327), +32 deaths (now 10539) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +6 deaths (now 49050) since 8 hours ago — New Zealand: +4 cases (now 1986) since a day ago | 03:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid cases near 10 million in US with no slowdown in sight → https://is.gd/GssG1N | 03:10 |
de-facto | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk64Zwcj3W8 | 03:10 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: I tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 - YouTube | 03:10 |
de-facto | channel: Vincent Racaniello | 03:10 |
de-facto | %title academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603 | 03:15 |
Brainstorm | de-facto, the command line provided is invalid | 03:15 |
de-facto | %title https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603 | 03:15 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From academic.oup.com: Correlation Between 3790 Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reaction–Positives Samples and Positive Cell Cultures, Including 1941 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Isolates | Clinical [...] | 03:15 |
de-facto | quite weird that their PCR at Columbia Broad Institute only uses primers for the nucleocapsid protein (single primer set) without employing another primer for another low immunologic pressure protein (two primer sets) | 03:21 |
de-facto | %title https://eu.wisfarmer.com/story/news/2020/11/05/more-than-3-k-mink-reported-dead-wi-mink-farm-covid/6174646002/ | 03:26 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From eu.wisfarmer.com: More than 3K mink reported dead at WI mink farm from COVID | 03:26 |
de-facto | %title https://www.wpr.org/more-3k-mink-dead-coronavirus-taylor-county-mink-farm | 03:27 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.wpr.org: More Than 3K Mink Dead From Coronavirus At Taylor County Mink Farm | Wisconsin Public Radio | 03:27 |
tinwhiskers | r'oh roh | 03:28 |
Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Boud: /* Background */ ill with a disease, infected by a virus: Background: ill with a disease, infected by a virus ← Previous revision Revision as of 02:23, 9 November 2020 Line 5: Line 5: == Background == == Background == − Denmark is the largest producer of mink fur in the world. {{cite news|date=4 November [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 03:28 |
de-facto | %title https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/covid-19-hits-us-mink-farms-after-ripping-through-europe <-- this is going on for quite some time it seems | 03:28 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.sciencemag.org: COVID-19 hits U.S. mink farms after ripping through Europe | Science | AAAS | 03:28 |
tinwhiskers | the mink are out to get us | 03:28 |
de-facto | i wonder if they did any sequencing on those outbreaks or if Denmark just is the first doing that | 03:29 |
ap4lmtree | hi | 03:33 |
ap4lmtree | why is covid19 still spreadign if peopel are wearing masks | 03:33 |
de-facto | because wearing masks only lowers the probability of transmission, its not a guarantee that infection is impossible. Without masks it would spread even faster. | 03:37 |
de-facto | If 100 carriers would infect 120 susceptible it would mean an reproduction number of R = 120/100 = 1.2 and that reproduction number R = transmissibility * contact_rate * duration_of_infectiousness | 03:39 |
de-facto | so reducing each of those terms will reduce the number of infected people in the next generation of an infection chain | 03:39 |
de-facto | lowering the transmissibility by non-pharmaceutical measures such as wearing masks (N95 or FFP2 masks also would prevent spread via aerosol in addition to spit droplets prevented by community cotton masks), ensuring air exchange and preventing surface contact as well as not touching face and washing the hands | 03:41 |
ap4lmtree | my dad has an appointment for his doctor for a physical and he wears a kn95 mask | 03:41 |
ap4lmtree | i thoughtit was going to be safe for him, but now i dont know | 03:41 |
de-facto | then of course every contact that did not take place can not cause an infection, so lowering contact rates is the most effective method | 03:42 |
de-facto | an infected carrier begins to spread the virus upon the environment in amounts that are infectious even before symptoms may begin (though some never get symptoms), 44% of infections already happened before symptoms and the day before they begin is the most infectious | 03:43 |
ap4lmtree | de-facto, my dad might not be safe going to the doctor even though he has a powecom kn95 mask? | 03:43 |
de-facto | roughly after a week or such the spread of virions upon the environment from most of the carriers is so low that they probably are not really infectious anymore | 03:44 |
de-facto | its recommended to wear an N95 mask with very tight fit (your dad should shave beard off if he got one, so the lip of the mask has a tight fit on the skin), it can lower the infection probability significantly | 03:45 |
de-facto | imagine a specific amount of virions is required to start an infection: for a given concentration of such virions in the air a specific amount of inhale cycles would be required to go over the threshold of that infectious dose | 03:46 |
de-facto | so it depends on the time spent in such an environment | 03:46 |
de-facto | if a filter can reduce the amount of inhaled particles by 95% it would need 20x as long or as many inhaling cycles to get that infectious threshold dose | 03:47 |
de-facto | there are also N99 or FFP3 masks that would filter up to 99%, so for those 100x the exposure time would be needed to get infected | 03:48 |
de-facto | its always about bringing down the probabilities of infections below a level that is acceptable for a given concentrations of contamination in an environment | 03:49 |
de-facto | there is no guarantee (well maybe except for those biohazard suits that have positive air pressure inside of them, but those cant be worn in everyday life), but personal protective equipment can lower the infection probability down to an acceptable value | 03:51 |
de-facto | btw some medical doctors also allow the patients to wait outdoors, so wearing a mask and waiting outdoors to minimize time together with other patients in the same room may lower the risk even more | 03:52 |
de-facto | (I did that myself some time ago) | 03:52 |
de-facto | ap4lmtree, but your question about why COVID-19 still is spreading even if many people wear masks is indeed a valid one, if an exact answer would be known for all the infection sources we could target them much better. | 03:55 |
de-facto | afaik 75% of infection origins are unknown in Germany right now | 03:55 |
de-facto | so thats bad because for 3 out of 4 infections we dont know what to prevent, hence we need to reduce contact rate to bring reproduction down | 03:56 |
de-facto | i would think many infections are caused by people simply ignoring or even going into opposition to effective containment efforts or also being too relaxed about things like ensuring proper air exchange | 03:59 |
de-facto | but thats a guess | 03:59 |
jacklsw | because WHO has failed us all | 03:59 |
jacklsw | xD | 03:59 |
de-facto | also i would think many infections happen in homes, people visiting each others or meeting friends etc | 04:00 |
de-facto | maybe childcare centers for the very young are not such a big contribution but for children at school like early puberty age or such and beyond having schools open also could be quite a big contribution to reproduction, some papers say like 24% after 28 days | 04:01 |
de-facto | its just humans are social beings and used to not care about contagion, we have to change that because we will need to live with the pathogen for quite some time | 04:02 |
de-facto | i mean transition into caring about preventing contagion | 04:03 |
LjL | de-facto, i currently have 96% and i only was a chainsmoker until 2013... whereas this doctor on youtube has consistently 99%. buuuut he also has 50 or less than 50 bpm at rest, and 63 after a minute of exercising... while i have... 90 at rest, 120 if i stand up :x | 04:14 |
de-facto | congratz to having stopped smoking :) | 04:15 |
LjL | <de-facto> i wonder if they did any sequencing on those outbreaks or if Denmark just is the first doing that ← someone on reddit had the guts to say Denmark has "ONLY" been sequencing 15% of cases... i wish we sequenced 1%! | 04:15 |
de-facto | well yeah i have also high pulse sometimes like 90-120 or sometimes even blood pressure 150/90 or such, it got better when i were outdoors for a run each day though | 04:16 |
LjL | lack of exercise does seem likely to be the culprit | 04:16 |
LjL | and anxiety | 04:16 |
de-facto | yeah of course stress is not healthy | 04:17 |
de-facto | except for physical workout on regular training basis | 04:17 |
de-facto | LjL, what i meant is that i wonder if they did sequence the cases in Netherlands and Wisconsin too | 04:18 |
de-facto | e.g. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/coronavirus-rips-through-dutch-mink-farms-triggering-culls-prevent-human-infections | 04:19 |
de-facto | %T | 04:20 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.sciencemag.org: Coronavirus rips through Dutch mink farms, triggering culls to prevent human infections | Science | AAAS | 04:20 |
de-facto | "Mortality was negligible at one farm and almost 10% at another. “That’s strange—we don’t really understand it,” says virologist Marion Koopmans of Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam." | 04:20 |
tinwhiskers | %title https://www.cnet.com/news/scientists-discover-two-new-mammals-in-australia/ | 04:20 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: From www.cnet.com: Scientists discover two new mammals in Australia - CNET | 04:20 |
de-facto | yeah strange indeed, one mutated another did not? | 04:20 |
tinwhiskers | bad time to be discovered | 04:20 |
de-facto | " Feral cats roaming the farms—and stealing the mink’s food—were found to be infected as well." | 04:21 |
de-facto | %title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.18.101493v1 | 04:21 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: SARS-CoV2 infection in farmed mink, Netherlands, April 2020 | bioRxiv | 04:21 |
de-facto | %title https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.23.2001005 | 04:21 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | SARS-CoV-2 infection in farmed minks, the Netherlands, April and May 2020 | 04:21 |
de-facto | tinwhiskers, heh those marsupial species are cute, somehow remind me of a comic figure from France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsupilami | 04:25 |
de-facto | so are there feral cats and or rodents on the mink farms in Denmark ? | 04:27 |
LjL | i'd expect there to be | 04:28 |
LjL | strange about the mortality | 04:28 |
de-facto | maybe different mink species? or maybe different mutations? | 04:29 |
LjL | those are the two things i could think of too | 04:29 |
LjL | or maybe some were given vitamin D! :P | 04:29 |
de-facto | i mean if it was different mink species they probably would not be surprised about that fact themselves there | 04:29 |
de-facto | hence if they are puzzled about it themselves, could it possibly have been due to a mutation of the pathogen then? | 04:30 |
LjL | the only answer i have is quoting someone who was quoting someone on TWIV, "sequence, sequence, sequence!" | 04:31 |
de-facto | yes and correlate those sequences with pathogen properties | 04:31 |
de-facto | such as unexpected changes in transmissibility, mortality, immune-evasion etc | 04:32 |
de-facto | pretty much WHO should do such things worldwide and make a public repository about mutations and associated properties | 04:33 |
de-facto | as well as dynamics of their spread | 04:33 |
LjL | please not WHO | 04:33 |
LjL | anyone but WHO | 04:34 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Lack of medical supplies 'hits' disabled people: The pandemic is making it hard to get medication and breathing equipment, a BBC survey suggests. → https://is.gd/xek0TC | 04:34 |
de-facto | well it should be done by a worldwide organization coordinating research efforts providing that info with open sources for everyone | 04:36 |
de-facto | directing money at the relevant questions | 04:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +6621 cases (now 500789), +148 deaths (now 13055) since 23 hours ago | 04:50 |
de-facto | where can i see the latest number of tests performed for Belgium (official source)? | 05:08 |
de-facto | trying to understand this graph here: http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff&legacy=no | 05:10 |
de-facto | is that a real decline in prevalence or just a decline due to change in testing strategy? | 05:10 |
de-facto | asking because of this: https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-scales-back-coronavirus-testing-strategy-as-labs-face-crunch/ | 05:12 |
de-facto | https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/ | 05:17 |
ryouma | i am going to go anyway, but if a dental office has rooms whose walls do not reach the ceiling, and are presumably adjacent to other rooms, is that a bad sign? apparently hteh yahve fans. | 05:35 |
LjL | de-facto, oh wow they've been scaling them down for real. and i was hoping Belgium's slowing-down slope might be the beginning of a trend across Europe... | 05:37 |
de-facto | yes i just making a graph | 05:38 |
LjL | ryouma, just get your teeth fixed and stop stressing about it. you just said, you're going to go anyway. it's not in your control now. there simply is no need to add more stress into the mix of things that could go wron | 05:38 |
de-facto | damn its not a real decline in prevalence | 05:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>a worldwide organization coordinating research efforts providing that info with open sources<< and in this context WHO comes to mind? lol? | 05:38 |
de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/9uMnf6j https://i.imgur.com/kznk9WK.png | 05:40 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 Tests and Cases in Belgium - Album on Imgur | 05:40 |
de-facto | LjL, ^^ | 05:40 |
de-facto | source: https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/ | 05:41 |
LjL | de-facto, make a cases/tests graph | 05:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even that doesn't help you out when test strategy changes to "only when symptoms" | 05:47 |
Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Belgium tracker → https://is.gd/8j30oV | 05:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or any other change from a random to a more "effective" test strategy | 05:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or vice versa | 05:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | most reliable metrics (though slow) are hospitalizations. Not even ICU or fatalities are free of artifacts from changes in policy and medication | 05:53 |
de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/YNUgpmC https://i.imgur.com/fQKCJwJ.png | 05:55 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 Belgium: TESTS, CASES, POSITIVITY - Album on Imgur | 05:55 |
de-facto | ^^LjL | 05:55 |
LjL | not even hospitalizations are | 05:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but the friendly bots in here reported >>EU wide new cases reaching plateau<< owtte | 05:56 |
LjL | de-facto, so i guess despite everything, fewer people are testing positive... it's true what DocScrutinizer05 says that the strategies change of course, but in Italy on days when we have less testing, we usually have (comparatively) more cases, not fewer | 05:57 |
de-facto | I scaled positivity by 100k to fit it onto the same y axis | 05:57 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: A ‘terrifying’ COVID surge will land in Biden’s lap → https://is.gd/Op9ugi | 05:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hospitalizations are probably mainly suffering from a limiter effect when healthcare serices reach their capaucty | 05:57 |
de-facto | but its weird, if they change their testing strategy to targeting symptomatic their cases/tests should *raise* | 05:58 |
LjL | DocScrutinizer05, which is the case around here. i've seen footage of multiple ambulances waiting outside, not being admitted but being brought food to... | 05:58 |
LjL | de-facto, right, so maybe their cases are really going down | 05:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | then scratch hospitalizations numbers as indicator as well | 05:59 |
LjL | de-facto, but they could also have a strategy of "okay, let's not test the ones who are obviously sick, let's just treat them. let's test the more dubious cases" | 05:59 |
de-facto | yet 30% positive rate (those 30000 on the graph) is crazy high | 05:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | measure the cueues - sorry for this sounding sarcastic. Isn't meant like this | 05:59 |
LjL | de-facto, we've touched 25% i thing in Lombardy :( | 05:59 |
de-facto | yet going down to 20% | 05:59 |
LjL | think* | 05:59 |
LjL | (i mean, we touched much more in spring, but i mean now) | 06:00 |
de-facto | i dont trust the decline in cases until also hospitalizations and fatalities drop in Belgium | 06:01 |
de-facto | maybe (hopefully) their incidence goes down, but if they changed their testing strategy its really hard to tell from those numbers | 06:01 |
de-facto | i really want to know this, because its relevant for the rest of EU strategy, if they did something right there | 06:02 |
de-facto | like really wrestle it down somehow | 06:02 |
de-facto | maybe tomorrow i look into NL numbers, but i am too tired for now | 06:02 |
de-facto | BE needed to write custom code, importing CSV to SQL, doing a query, and converting that into a graph | 06:03 |
de-facto | I used this upstream here: https://epistat.sciensano.be/Data/COVID19BE_tests.csv | 06:04 |
de-facto | btw Germany also changed testing strategy because testing capacity is overwhelmed, so they switch to symptomatic and more important targets | 06:09 |
de-facto | i dont like that at all because it means numbers also will not be comparable to previous ones | 06:09 |
de-facto | meh i guess we will see | 06:10 |
de-facto | anyhow what really matters is that hospitalizations go down | 06:14 |
de-facto | and fatalities too of course | 06:14 |
Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: More economic worries mean less caution about COVID-19: Workers experiencing job and financial insecurity are less likely to follow the CDC's guidelines for COVID-19, such as physical distancing, limiting trips from home and washing hands, according to a Washington State University study. The researchers, who surveyed 745 workers [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/eGEACI | 06:25 |
Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: TarkusAB: /* Timeline */ They did not commit to kill ALL minks, just "cull" the population: Timeline: They did not commit to kill ALL minks, just "cull" the population ← Previous revision Revision as of 05:31, 9 November 2020 Line 11: Line 11: {{cite web|author=Grove Krause, Tyra|title=Mutationer i [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 06:34 |
Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: TarkusAB: cull does not mean kill all: cull does not mean kill all ← Previous revision Revision as of 05:48, 9 November 2020 Line 1: Line 1: {{short description|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} {{short description|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} − "'''Cluster 5'''" is an outbreak [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 06:52 |
ryouma | i posted a link a while back about county level rt for us. anybody know what link i am talking about? it has a map of counties and hovering gets you the rt for the county. although i will take any data at country or smaller unit. | 07:03 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +14510 cases (now 682624) since 12 hours ago — Saskatchewan, Canada: +159 cases (now 3897), +1 deaths (now 28) since 12 hours ago — France: +3493 cases (now 1.8 million) since 11 hours ago | 07:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Delhi, India: +7745 cases (now 438529), +77 deaths (now 6989) since 12 hours ago — Veneto, Italy: +7177 cases (now 79269) since 14 hours ago — Lazio, Italy: +5107 cases (now 65814) since 14 hours ago — Emilia-Romagna, Italy: +2359 cases (now 71408) since 23 hours ago | 07:21 |
Brainstorm | New preprint: Variability of Accessory Proteins Rules the SARS-CoV-2 Pathogenicity by Sk. Sarif Hassan et al, published on 2020-11-08 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.11.06.372227 [... want %more?] | 07:22 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Early, low-dose, short-term methylprednisolone decreased the mortality in critical COVID-19 patients: a multicenter retrospective cohort study (80 votes) | https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30696-4/fulltext | https://redd.it/jqcv4h | 07:37 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +2927 cases (now 60680), +24 deaths (now 499) since 13 hours ago | 08:05 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Firebreak lockdown ends as new restrictions begin: A mobile hairdresser and gift shop owner share their concerns as Wales' businesses reopen. → https://is.gd/5BHqGd | 08:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Ethiopian girls trapped in sex trade as COVID-19 deepens desperation → https://is.gd/Kex4iZ | 08:25 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +21798 cases (now 1.8 million), +256 deaths (now 30793) since 14 hours ago | 09:06 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: More economic worries mean less caution about COVID-19: Workers experiencing job and financial insecurity are less likely to follow the CDC's guidelines for COVID-19, such as physical distancing, limiting trips from home and washing hands, according to a Washington State University study. → https://is.gd/gfb1pD | 09:30 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Fresh off election victory, Biden turns to virus response: As he begins his transition to the presidency, Joe Biden is pivoting from a bitter campaign battle to another, more pressing fight: reining in the pandemic that has hit the world's most powerful nation harder than any other. → https://is.gd/RbxGiR | 09:40 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Biden to name virus team as worldwide cases top 50 million: The global tally of people infected by the coronavirus shot past 50 million on Monday, as United States President-elect Joe Biden geared up to name the scientists who will lead the country's response to its disastrous outbreak. → https://is.gd/BY4Flt | 09:58 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Solomon Is.: +3 cases (now 16) since 6 days ago | 10:05 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: The new lockdown rules for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland → https://is.gd/KDgKoi | 10:28 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: ‘They’re not really doing anything’: As Covid-19 cases spiral, leaders around the U.S. lose urgency on prevention → https://is.gd/lACOz1 | 10:37 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health experts want to prioritize people of color for a Covid-19 vaccine. But how should it be done?: “My worry is that if there was explicit racial priority given to the Covid-19 vaccine, we could be embroiled in litigation," said one health law expert. → https://is.gd/Bl39LB | 10:47 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Researchers find link between food insecurity and cardiovascular death risk: Food insecurity is one of the nation's leading health and nutrition issues—about 13.7 million (10.5 percent) of households in the United States were food insecure at some time during 2019, a trend likely to increase in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6WmYcf | 11:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Europe tries to shut down new coronavirus strain from Danish mink farms: Denmark's State Serum Institute has warned the mutant virus could have potentially "serious consequences" for a future Covid-19 vaccine. → https://is.gd/wVitAa | 11:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: The Queen spotted wearing a face mask for the first time since the pandemic started → https://is.gd/4grLVF | 11:25 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +10463 cases (now 692949), +458 deaths (now 38749) since 17 hours ago | 12:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +17309 cases (now 229222), +48 deaths (now 2812) since 17 hours ago | 12:35 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: 'Mutant coronavirus' seen before on mink farms, say scientists: The coronavirus mutation found in farmed mink in Denmark has arisen in the past, genetic data shows. → https://is.gd/PtbLC3 | 12:41 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +44 deaths (now 11512) since 18 hours ago | 12:50 |
Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Download the daily number of new reported cases of COVID-19 by country worldwide: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. You may use the data in line with ECDC’s copyright policy. → https://is.gd/zYsz7d | 12:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +85988 cases (now 10.3 million), +383 deaths (now 243771) since 18 hours ago | 13:06 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid vaccine: First vaccine offers 90% protection: The vaccine uses an experimental approach to train the immune system to fight the virus → https://is.gd/GyMGLB | 13:09 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pfizer Inc. - Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study (106 votes) | https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-COVID-19-Achieved-Success-in-First-Interim-Analysis-from-Phase-3-Study/default.aspx | https://redd.it/jqwa2z | 13:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer, BioNTech say late-stage trial data shows Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective in preventing infection → https://is.gd/v0K2LT | 13:19 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Iceland: +23 cases (now 5101), +3 deaths (now 23) since 18 hours ago — Switzerland: +59 deaths (now 2823) since 18 hours ago | 13:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: From lockdowns to Dr. Fauci: Here's how President-elect Joe Biden plans to fight the coronavirus pandemic: The Biden-Harris campaign laid out a plan for addressing the coronavirus pandemic that includes more testing and restoring the U.S. relationship with the WHO. → https://is.gd/jMd6Au | 13:46 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +49 deaths (now 11517) since 19 hours ago | 13:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +4680 cases (now 414745), +39 deaths (now 8043) since 19 hours ago | 14:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +86682 cases (now 10.3 million), +393 deaths (now 243781) since 20 hours ago | 14:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Monday: Dow futures soared 1,500 points at Monday's open after Pfizer and BioNTech said that data from their Covid-19 vaccine trial showed 90% efficacy. → https://is.gd/nQb3HB | 14:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer CEO calls Covid vaccine a 'great day for humanity' and a 'light at the end of the tunnel' → https://is.gd/Ql2Ze1 | 15:01 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +88216 cases (now 10.3 million), +409 deaths (now 243797) since 20 hours ago | 15:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +52 deaths (now 11520) since 20 hours ago | 15:20 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Team identification supports health care worker wellness during COVID-19 pandemic: Clinicians and researchers at the Yale Department of Emergency Medicine (DEM) and Yale School of Management tracked frontline health care worker well-being during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic and found evidence that identifying as part [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jr8Wah | 15:29 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +89386 cases (now 10.3 million) since 20 hours ago | 15:35 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Utah governor orders statewide mask mandate, new coronavirus restrictions (10007 votes) | https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/08/utah-governor-issue-new/ | https://redd.it/jqr6rz | 15:40 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study (80 votes) | https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against | https://redd.it/jqwc57 | 15:46 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +58 deaths (now 11526) since 21 hours ago | 15:50 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine is more than 90 percent effective in first analysis, company reports (10107 votes) | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/09/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-effective/CT | https://redd.it/jqw7zb | 16:04 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +5367 cases (now 415432), +49 deaths (now 8053) since 21 hours ago | 16:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://blog.fefe.de/?ts=a157fc93 | 16:16 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Portugal, Hungary hunker down against Europe's virus surge: Portugal and Hungary on Monday became the latest European countries to impose curfews against the resurgent tide of coronavirus infections and deaths lashing the continent and filing its emergency wards. But glimmers of hope emerged from France, Belgium and elsewhere [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/kbWBzC | 16:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hermany flattened the curve? http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 16:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | germany even | 16:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even though last 4 days are not steady yet in my statistics, it looks like yesterday R_eff~=1 | 16:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +90847 cases (now 10.3 million), +419 deaths (now 243807) since 21 hours ago | 16:21 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Iran's daily virus infections top 10,000: Iran's daily novel coronavirus infections crossed the 10,000 mark on Monday, the health ministry announced, setting a new record as fatalities remained close to their all-time high level. → https://is.gd/spZwQB | 16:26 |
xrogaan | This is weird: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54867653 | 16:29 |
xrogaan | %title | 16:29 |
Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.bbc.co.uk: 'Mutant coronavirus' seen before on mink farms, say scientists - BBC News | 16:29 |
Arsanerit | DocScrutinizer05: does it account for the lower number of reporting test centres on the weekend? | 16:30 |
xrogaan | oh, don't go on the article, gruesome pictures. | 16:30 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +71 deaths (now 11539) since 21 hours ago | 16:35 |
kreyren | https://twitter.com/pic/media%2FEmY-FgfW8AI19bY.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig | 16:35 |
kreyren | is there a vaccine? | 16:35 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: World may be tired, but virus 'not tired of us': WHO chief: The World Health Organization's chief called Monday on everyone to keep fighting COVID-19, warning that while we may be sick of battling the pandemic, the virus is "not tired of us". → https://is.gd/X9Vw8I | 16:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Arsanerit: yes | 16:43 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Italy virus situation 'out of control': expert: A leading health expert warned Monday that the coronavirus situation in Italy is "largely out of control", as doctors called for a new national lockdown to counter a surge in cases. → https://is.gd/kQOnlk | 16:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Arsanerit: what it doesn't do is nowcasting to compensate for the systemic reporting delay. Means that the last 3 datapoints and particularly the very last datapoint will change during next 3 days as reports come in | 16:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +91363 cases (now 10.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +3972 cases (now 265355), +36 deaths (now 10534) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +73 deaths (now 11541) since 22 hours ago | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Arsanerit: anyway the trend is stable since 2020-10-23 | 16:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Scott Gottlieb, Pfizer director and ex-FDA chief, cautions Covid vaccine won't help right away: "I think we need to remember that we have perhaps a brief, but very hard stretch, ahead of us" without a widely available Covid-19 vaccine, Gottlieb told CNBC. → https://is.gd/Z2GY6n | 16:54 |
Arsanerit | DocScrutinizer05: I had that impression. Stable is good. Stable at a level that is too high is not good... | 16:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the R trend points downwards, from now on numbers should go down again | 17:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and they gonna go down faster every day | 17:02 |
Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Virtual Simulation for Woven EndoBridge Device Sizing → https://is.gd/GTDjz2 | 17:04 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +25269 cases (now 960373), +356 deaths (now 41750) since 22 hours ago — US: +94130 cases (now 10.3 million), +423 deaths (now 243811) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +4161 cases (now 265544), +36 deaths (now 10544) since a day ago | 17:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Dr. Scott Obvious Gottlieb, yeah sure it will take quite a while until a significant number of people got their shot, and with this vaccine you need even two now and in 3 weeks, so in 4 weeks you're protected | 17:11 |
yuriwho | Good News! Biden appointed Dr. Peter Bright.... the former head of BARDA and whistleblower to his Coronavirus transition team! He's the guy Trump fired after he refused to fund more human trials of Hydroxychloroquine | 17:17 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Albania: +525 cases (now 24731), +2 deaths (now 561) since 22 hours ago | 17:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yuriwho: what was the rationale to refuse further funding ? | 17:22 |
yuriwho | it was showing no benefit and possible harm in the early trials | 17:25 |
Arsanerit | DocScrutinizer05: I hope you're right. | 17:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the trend is stable, yes | 17:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +2576 cases (now 396831), +85 deaths (now 10972) since 22 hours ago — US: +95676 cases (now 10.3 million), +431 deaths (now 243819) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +5142 cases (now 266525), +39 deaths (now 10549) since a day ago — Germany: +94 deaths (now 11562) since 22 hours ago | 17:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Arsanerit: you seen the lines in second chart all pointing downwards? | 17:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the green and the dashed-red | 17:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not the last segment but the period from 2020-10-23 until 3 days ago is relevant | 17:38 |
Arsanerit | hard to model how people will behave | 17:44 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Maine, US: +204 cases (now 7897) since 23 hours ago — US: +95880 cases (now 10.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +64 deaths (now 2828) since 23 hours ago | 17:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Reunion: +308 cases (now 6572), +1 deaths (now 28) since 2 days ago | 18:05 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Walter Isaacson, a participant in Pfizer's Covid vaccine trial, describes what it's like → https://is.gd/DrCiat | 18:10 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +15877 cases (now 683991), +119 deaths (now 11587) since 23 hours ago | 18:20 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU still testing Pfizer vaccine, keeps 2021 forecast: The European Medicines Agency is still reviewing the safety of a COVID-19 vaccine submitted by Pfizer and BionNTech and has not received clinical trial data, EU sources said Monday. → https://is.gd/7r7G4C | 18:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Berchtesgaden full lockdown after 3 weeks proves effective. schools open again | 18:34 |
Arsanerit | DocScrutinizer05: friendly of them to be a little ahead of the rest of germany to prove this? | 18:38 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Why the pharma industry got lucky with Pfizer — for now: Pfizer and its Covid-19 vaccine have won the day, but the industry’s next flashpoint in the zeitgeist is always a press release away. → https://is.gd/iTSrwk | 18:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Arsanerit: yeah, you might put it like this | 18:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | also interesting https://www.startpage.com/do/search?query=cluster+buster+bus+LAMP+test https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-vienna-begins-cluster-buster-bus-service-to-test-schoolchildren-1.4366777 kudos Austria | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>Accurate results can be provided within 30 minutes<< | 18:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop-mediated_isothermal_amplification | 18:45 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Vaccine Efficacy Data! (80 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/09/vaccine-efficacy-data | https://redd.it/jqzyuz | 18:47 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Biden implores Americans to wear masks amid vaccine progress: President-elect Joe Biden on Monday implored Americans to wear masks to slow the spread of the coronavirus, even as he cheered news about the promising development of a vaccine being developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer. → https://is.gd/VoVsic | 18:49 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +38191 cases (now 1.4 million), +512 deaths (now 39345) since 2 days ago — US: +96254 cases (now 10.3 million), +432 deaths (now 243820) since a day ago | 18:51 |
Brainstorm | New from NPR: Utah Gov. Announces Statewide Mask Mandate, Citing Steep Spike In COVID-19 Cases: Gov. Gary Herbert has declared a new state of emergency, limiting social gatherings and putting K-12 extracurricular activities on hold for the next two weeks. → https://is.gd/irGeSA | 18:59 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: BioNTech: plucky German upstart leads COVID-19 vaccine race: The small German biotech firm BioNTech, started by a husband and wife team with Turkish roots, has never brought a vaccine to market before. → https://is.gd/ENFwmq | 19:08 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Biden coronavirus advisor Osterholm says U.S. is 'about to enter Covid hell': "What America has to understand is that we are about to enter Covid hell," Dr. Michael Osterholm told CNBC on Monday. → https://is.gd/dkqnZs | 19:18 |
Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +21350 cases (now 1.2 million) since a day ago | 19:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +91049 cases (now 10.3 million), +406 deaths (now 243825) since a day ago | 19:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +105443 cases (now 10.3 million), +437 deaths (now 243857) since a day ago | 20:05 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Could SARS-CoV-2 evolve resistance to COVID-19 vaccines?: Similar to bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics, viruses can evolve resistance to vaccines, and the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 could undermine the effectiveness of vaccines that are currently under development, according to a paper published November 9 in the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AI0xvu | 20:05 |
Brainstorm | New from NPR: U.S. Confirmed Coronavirus Infections Hit 10 Million: The grim milestone passes as the virus that causes COVID-19 spreads out of control from coast to coast. → https://is.gd/tQNrpl | 20:15 |
de-facto | %title https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/09/vaccine-efficacy-data | 20:20 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From blogs.sciencemag.org: Vaccine Efficacy Data! | In the Pipeline | 20:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +106395 cases (now 10.3 million), +448 deaths (now 243868) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +194 deaths (now 49238) since 17 hours ago | 20:21 |
de-facto | "arlier this morning, Pfizer and BioNTech announced the first controlled efficacy data for a coronavirus vaccine. And the news is good." by Derek Lowe | 20:21 |
de-facto | %title https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against | 20:22 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.pfizer.com: Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study | Pfizer | 20:22 |
de-facto | %title https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus | 20:24 |
de-facto | %title https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus | 20:25 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.pfizer.com: Coronavirus COVID-19 Scientific Research and Resources | Pfizer | 20:25 |
de-facto | https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf | 20:25 |
de-facto | yuriwho, ^^ | 20:25 |
yuriwho | yep... looking good so far | 20:29 |
de-facto | a lot of info to read, yet there is optimism! | 20:32 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. health officials 'very optimistic' Pfizer coronavirus vaccine and others 'could effectively end the pandemic' → https://is.gd/p9567c | 20:34 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +18915 cases (now 687029), +148 deaths (now 11627) since a day ago — US: +103312 cases (now 10.3 million), +443 deaths (now 243874) since a day ago | 20:36 |
de-facto | %title https://covidvax.org/covid19-vaccine/BioNTech-Pfizer/mRNA-BNT162-BioNTech-Pfizer-Fosun-Pharma-University-of-Rochester-Medical-Center-URMC-Rochester-Regio | 20:40 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From covidvax.org: COVID-19 Vaccine: mRNA BNT162 by BioNTech, Pfizer, Fosun Pharma, University of Rochester Medical Center (URMC), Rochester Regional Health (RRH) | 20:40 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +435 cases (now 259699) since a day ago — US: +103747 cases (now 10.3 million), +454 deaths (now 243885) since a day ago | 20:51 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Researchers develop protocol for a more accurate COVID-19 testing technique: One critical barrier in efforts to control the COVID-19 pandemic has been the relatively high false-negative rate of the most commonly-used Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) testing methods. → https://is.gd/Vpx559 | 21:03 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +122284 cases (now 10.3 million), +513 deaths (now 243968) since a day ago | 21:05 |
Skunny | look at this bullshit | 21:07 |
Skunny | this is my company | 21:07 |
Skunny | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dq0VaBODa0M/X6mhik6pWeI/AAAAAAAA1Xw/5q8HatnDCuQn8kDNRx9kzRtfgBiUb6-wgCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-11-09.png | 21:07 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Testing timeline: What's ahead for COVID-19 vaccines: Pfizer's surprising news that its COVID-19 vaccine might offer more protection than anticipated—an announcement right after a fraught U.S. presidential election campaign—is raising questions about exactly how the different shots will make it to market. → https://is.gd/GKSANw | 21:13 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Michigan, US: +9235 cases (now 238308), +63 deaths (now 8008) since a day ago — US: +118254 cases (now 10.4 million), +496 deaths (now 244031) since a day ago | 21:20 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Travel companies cheer Pfizer Covid vaccine news as 'welcomed step' toward return in demand → https://is.gd/F5ljaQ | 21:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): David Bossie, who was named to lead Trump effort to challenge election results, tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/jaiJCG | 21:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Tennessee, US: +5919 cases (now 287770), +15 deaths (now 3610) since a day ago — Rhode Island, US: +1629 cases (now 38009), +9 deaths (now 1233) since 2 days ago — US: +123572 cases (now 10.4 million), +514 deaths (now 244088) since a day ago — Germany: +16288 cases (now 688795), +150 deaths (now 11655) since 23 hours ago | 21:35 |
de-facto | Skunny, WOW | 21:41 |
de-facto | cluster outbreak? | 21:42 |
Skunny | and there's another one not listed | 21:42 |
Skunny | and my boss asked how I think I got it | 21:43 |
Skunny | I said work | 21:43 |
Skunny | he said you sure? lol fucking companys | 21:43 |
de-facto | now i am curious, how did you find out that you got it, e.g. what were the first signs of it? | 21:45 |
Skunny | felt like I had a cold | 21:46 |
Skunny | checked my temp and was 100.5 | 21:46 |
Skunny | took test next day | 21:47 |
de-facto | so despite a mild fever what were the first symptoms of it? | 21:47 |
Skunny | aches pains sweating | 21:47 |
Skunny | runny nose | 21:47 |
Skunny | no breathing issues | 21:48 |
Skunny | now i just have lost of taste and smell | 21:48 |
de-facto | so already better by now then? | 21:48 |
Skunny | I knew some people had it too and I was working on their pc's | 21:48 |
Skunny | yeah feeling pretty good | 21:48 |
de-facto | glad to hear that :) | 21:50 |
de-facto | how long since symptoms started? | 21:50 |
Skunny | 11/2 | 21:50 |
Skunny | well 11/1 | 21:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +118100 cases (now 10.4 million), +534 deaths (now 244123) since a day ago | 21:51 |
de-facto | thats good so over a week ago, afaik viral load would be declined by now already (in the common case) yet still be careful an isolate | 21:53 |
de-facto | *and isolate | 21:54 |
Skunny | i have nnot left the house since my test on 11/3 | 21:54 |
de-facto | very good, i wish more people would behave so sane | 21:55 |
Skunny | this will make snowboarding season less concerning this year | 21:55 |
de-facto | any idea how it could spread so easily in your company? | 21:55 |
Skunny | cause fools in the factory don't wear their mask right | 21:56 |
Skunny | you know below the nose | 21:56 |
Skunny | I did everything right | 21:56 |
de-facto | so they did not take distancing and masks seriously | 21:58 |
de-facto | i never understood why people do that, obviously all the masks have those metal in the edge to bend it over the nose properly | 21:59 |
de-facto | what about ventilation? if welding was done there it should have quite good removal of smoke and air id guess | 22:01 |
Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: A cohort study of 676 patients indicates D-dimer is a critical risk factor for the mortality of COVID-19: by Yongsheng Huang, Xiaoyu Lyu, Dan Li, Lin Wang, Yujun Wang, Wenbin Zou, Yingxin Wei, Xiaowei Wu Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) has recently become a public emergency and a worldwide pandemic. However, the information on [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NIhzgP | 22:01 |
Skunny | yeah good vent but I dunno | 22:03 |
Skunny | it could of been in the restroom too | 22:03 |
Skunny | who knows really | 22:03 |
de-facto | or maybe at socializing places, like when having a coffee together? | 22:03 |
Skunny | all I know that strapping dept all got it | 22:04 |
Skunny | no, I doon't go no where | 22:04 |
de-facto | yeah i am just curious to learn about what might be the most dangerous scenarios | 22:04 |
Skunny | just costco, winco and home | 22:04 |
Skunny | once a week | 22:04 |
de-facto | hmm do they work close together in teams at strapping dept? | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +120362 cases (now 10.4 million), +545 deaths (now 244134) since a day ago — Canada: +4198 cases (now 267515), +51 deaths (now 10567) since 23 hours ago | 22:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +111681 cases (now 10.4 million), +494 deaths (now 244136) since a day ago | 22:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +112662 cases (now 10.4 million), +509 deaths (now 244154) since a day ago | 22:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Connecticut, US: +3338 cases (now 81463), +27 deaths (now 4698) since 2 days ago — US: +119327 cases (now 10.4 million), +538 deaths (now 244183) since a day ago | 22:50 |
LjL | how annoying that the In The Pipeline blog doesn't really seem to be picked up by Brainstorm most of the time (even though i have it in the config) | 22:57 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Kansas, US: +5101 cases (now 104392), +15 deaths (now 1181) since 23 hours ago — US: +128461 cases (now 10.4 million), +607 deaths (now 244257) since a day ago — Germany: +6348 cases (now 688972), +152 deaths (now 11657) since 16 hours ago | 23:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Do you live or work in an area currently experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases?: How is the resurgence of COVID-19 affecting you? PBS NewsHour wants to hear from frontline doctors and nurses, essential workers, business owners and residents about the pandemic’s impact. Specifically, we’re interested in talking to people in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/TggQFz | 23:18 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +130768 cases (now 10.4 million), +621 deaths (now 244271) since a day ago | 23:20 |
Jigsy | There's a vaccine now? | 23:32 |
LjL | Jigsy, not exactly... | 23:33 |
LjL | Pfizer showed efficacy | 23:33 |
Jigsy | Ah, so it's people just taking news optimistically. | 23:33 |
LjL | it doesn't mean it's being distributed outside of the trial yet | 23:33 |
LjL | the news is good | 23:34 |
LjL | in a sense there isn't a vaccine, there's a dozen or so vaccines. they just need to show they work | 23:34 |
LjL | now one did (and possibly two if you include SinoPharm's data on Chinese who went abroad) | 23:34 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +132399 cases (now 10.4 million), +639 deaths (now 244289) since a day ago | 23:36 |
Jigsy | Everyone seems really determined to get back to a 9-to-5 job they hate. | 23:38 |
LjL | Jigsy, that's how you interpret rushing to get a vaccine? | 23:40 |
Jigsy | That's how I interpret most people talking about a vaccine. :P | 23:41 |
LjL | i think that's warped through your own lens | 23:41 |
Jigsy | Which is funny because the old way of life sucked. | 23:41 |
LjL | so you're actually happy people are suffering and dying from this disease just so you don't have to go to work...? | 23:42 |
LjL | or just so whoever you're talking about who hates their 9-to-5 job doesn't | 23:42 |
Jigsy | No, no. | 23:42 |
LjL | the old way of life didn't involve me having to produce paperwork every time i want to have a walk | 23:42 |
LjL | i kinda liked that | 23:42 |
LjL | i'd kinda like to go back to that | 23:43 |
Jigsy | What is mean is, work has finally moved into the modern age. | 23:43 |
Jigsy | Remote meetings, etc. | 23:43 |
LjL | okay, but how exactly does that relate to a vaccine? a vaccine will fix this mess, then if you're all happy working remotely, then hopefully you'll be able to continue doing that, especially because it would be silly to do otherwise if companies found it effective | 23:43 |
Jigsy | 3>then hopefully you'll be able to continue doing that | 23:44 |
LjL | it sounds like you're saying the existence of a vaccine jeopardizes the ability to work remotely. well, it might, but i think pretty much anyone will say it's well worth it | 23:44 |
Jigsy | What employees want and what employers want are different things. :< | 23:44 |
LjL | okay, true | 23:44 |
LjL | you won't me see rooting for vaccines not working just because of that, though, sorry | 23:45 |
LjL | in fact if you're rooting for that i'm going to think you're a bit... cynical? i don't know, i'm cynical i guess | 23:45 |
Jigsy | I'm rooting for vaccines working and not going back to that old way of life. | 23:45 |
Jigsy | Experience on the other hand has taught me to expect otherwise. | 23:45 |
LjL | i just don't think you're right when you say that you interpret people being happy about a vaccine as wanting to go back to the job they hated | 23:46 |
LjL | how about, they want to be able to walk and travel again, see relatives and friends, not have to be careful and scared all the time... *even if* that comes at the cost of going back to their jobs? | 23:47 |
Jigsy | I wonder how may people will stop bothering to wear masks. ;_;; | 23:47 |
LjL | Jigsy, i don't know, but Pzifer expects to have 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021. that's a lot of doses, and a pretty short timeframe, and yet, it's more than a year, and just 1/8 of the world population | 23:49 |
LjL | so yes, for some meaning of "there's a vaccine", there's a vaccine... but anyone who thinks they can throw away their FFP2s is dumb | 23:50 |
Jigsy | End of 2021? | 23:51 |
Jigsy | I keep seeing "end of 2020" thrown around which is optimistic. | 23:51 |
Jigsy | Considering we're almost halfway through November now. | 23:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +137356 cases (now 10.4 million), +672 deaths (now 244322) since a day ago — Canada: +3403 cases (now 267516) since 23 hours ago | 23:51 |
LjL | Jigsy, end of 2021 for 1.3 billion doses. billion. ponder that. ponder how many glass vials that is. | 23:52 |
LjL | it doesn't mean they won't have smaller numbers ready sooner, though | 23:52 |
LjL | "end of 2020", i don't know | 23:52 |
LjL | maybe for some healthcare workers | 23:53 |
LjL | in some select countries | 23:53 |
Jigsy | 3>The UK’s prime minister and deputy medical adviser warned that nobody should assume the pandemic was over and let down their guard. | 23:57 |
Jigsy | Don't see that working, somehow. | 23:57 |
Jigsy | Considering idiots are still having parties now... | 23:57 |
LjL | well what should "we" collectively do, hide vaccine trial results? | 23:57 |
rpifan | good | 23:58 |
Jigsy | No, but some people are going to read that as "pandemic over." | 23:58 |
LjL | well aside from telling them it ain't so... i don't know what else we could do | 23:59 |
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