| * Vall tips his hat to c0rnelius | 16:40 | |
| Vall | Hello everyone | 16:40 |
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| c0rnelius | Hey | 16:41 |
| Vall | Do we have an image for official Chimaera for RPi4 available somewhere? | 16:42 |
| c0rnelius | I have non-official ones -> https://github.com/pyavitz/binary/releases/tag/images | 16:43 |
| c0rnelius | After flashing and going through the setup you should upgrade the kernel `fetch -u` | 16:44 |
| c0rnelius | I found a bug and plus I think there was an audio issue that got fixed since I made those. | 16:44 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: thanks again. Your efforts on creating/maintaining these images are really appreciated. | 16:46 |
| c0rnelius | There is also a noticeable /dev/log error, but that appears to be in Bullseye too. | 16:46 |
| c0rnelius | You are welcome. | 16:46 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: I wonder why you aren't the Devuan official RPi image provider already | 16:50 |
| Vall | As you seem to be the "de facto" one | 16:51 |
| c0rnelius | I think adam takes care of that? | 16:51 |
| Vall | Never heard about/from adam. Is he "adam_free2air"? | 16:52 |
| c0rnelius | But I honestly don't know :) about the inner workings of the Devuan hierarchy and who does what exactly? | 16:52 |
| c0rnelius | yeah thats him | 16:52 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: :-) | 16:53 |
| Vall | Anyway, I'm glad we Devuan RPi4 users have you around ;-) | 16:54 |
| c0rnelius | Well I'm happy you appreciate at it. | 16:54 |
| Vall | My super-dooper new SD card should arrive sometime this week and then I plan on resuming my RPi4 KVM host project | 16:57 |
| c0rnelius | Nice. | 17:03 |
| c0rnelius | brb. unless I broke something. | 17:13 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: looks like nothing broke ;-) | 17:33 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: Also didn't fix the bluetooth problem. | 17:36 |
| c0rnelius | Stupid NanoPi NEO Plus2 | 17:36 |
| c0rnelius | Trying to port this over to 5.14.y -> https://github.com/friendlyarm/linux/commit/de8acffc1a023f92f12fa9c9a4ff9656e9be14a2#diff-f03340c270d98b07cd53c0768aa766c8 | 17:38 |
| c0rnelius | I didn't the add the rtc bit though as I'm not sure how it relates. | 17:38 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: having a look at the commit | 17:38 |
| Vall | holy kernel patches, Batman! | 17:39 |
| Vall | I wonder why these aren't submitted to upstream (Torvald/GregKH?) | 17:42 |
| c0rnelius | Very good question. Probs because it don't work :) | 17:46 |
| Vall | LOL | 17:46 |
| c0rnelius | All the allwinner wifi/bluetooth modules are kind of sketchy. | 17:46 |
| Vall | Explains all observable facts ;-) | 17:46 |
| c0rnelius | Like I got the PineA64+ to work, which is just really a glorified H5, but even with that one the bluetooth only works if you power down the board. If you reboot it doesn't come back. | 17:47 |
| Vall | My impression is that most (all?) ARM boards aren't as well supported as the RPi series | 17:48 |
| Vall | brb | 17:48 |
| c0rnelius | It depends. Most of them have a group of people `The Vendor` that does work on them. But most of the work done doesn't make it upstream. Just like the Foundation kernels. | 17:49 |
| c0rnelius | They make to many edits, that only make sense for said board. | 17:50 |
| Vall | back | 18:23 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: makes sense. What doesn make sense is the fragmentation that results, IMHO | 18:24 |
| hyrcanus | it makes sense when you consider all the constraints involved | 18:27 |
| hyrcanus | it's just not the world as we'd wish it to be | 18:27 |
| hyrcanus | a simple example is the decision to put /tmp on a ramdrive | 18:28 |
| hyrcanus | that was done by people who want to imagine that ram is no longer a constraint | 18:28 |
| hyrcanus | much like the wishful thinking behind Modern Monetary Theory :) | 18:29 |
| Vall | hyrcanus: hummmrmrmr... "a simple example is the decision to put /tmp on a ramdrive" -> I don't think this is an example as it's really not something done in the kernel | 18:39 |
| hyrcanus | by distro maintainers | 18:39 |
| hyrcanus | sorry i switched context | 18:39 |
| Vall | no prob | 18:39 |
| Vall | I'm not as worried about distro fragmentation (actually, I'm not worried at all) | 18:40 |
| Vall | but kernel fragmentation really bothers me | 18:40 |
| hyrcanus | i wouldn't quite call it fragmentation even | 18:40 |
| hyrcanus | i mean, people do some work, for drivers | 18:40 |
| hyrcanus | often that work isn't good enough | 18:40 |
| hyrcanus | those are then available to build-in, if you want. but they aren't up to quality for mainline | 18:41 |
| hyrcanus | and if you want to build them into a newer kernel, do the work, right | 18:41 |
| hyrcanus | and you can then publish the 'new gpu drivers for 5.15' | 18:41 |
| hyrcanus | that work doesn't automatically get done if it's "in mainline" | 18:41 |
| hyrcanus | the stuff that's maintained reliably in mainline is stuff that's needed, like filesystems | 18:43 |
| Vall | hyrcanus: agreed re:drivers. But from c0rnelius comments, I was under the impression he was referring also to edits *outside* pure drivers | 18:44 |
| hyrcanus | ok sorry, my brain isn't maintaining the state of the conversation properly - I am multitasking here | 18:44 |
| Vall | For example, in the commit he referred to (https://github.com/friendlyarm/linux/commit/de8acffc1a023f92f12fa9c9a4ff9656e9be14a2#diff-f03340c270d98b07cd53c0768aa766c8), only one of the altered files is a driver | 18:45 |
| Vall | hyrcanus: no prob ;-) | 18:45 |
| hyrcanus | ah, i am in agreement now | 18:45 |
| Vall | What I think happens is that it's so difficult to get something in mainline that most developers don't bother | 18:46 |
| Vall | s/most/many/ | 18:46 |
| hyrcanus | i can't even get a patch into xscreensaver so... :P | 18:47 |
| hyrcanus | also fuck you jamie, my configurable colors for glmatrix was a good patch | 18:48 |
| Vall | heh believe me, I know the feeling ;-) | 18:48 |
| Vall | Back in the day, I developed some kernel patches for my own use. After lurking in (at the time) the kernel developers mailing list to see how I should proceed in submitting them, I just gave up | 18:50 |
| Vall | A lot of aggravation and abuse was going on, and I would not sign up for any of it | 18:50 |
| Vall | I've been a long time away from the kernel developing scene, but from what I see re: other people experiences, seems it just got worse | 18:51 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: BTW, if you ever need any beta-testers for RPi4 stuff, just drop me a /msg | 18:52 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: Will do | 18:58 |
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