| nobody666 | hello devuan folks. looks like there's a problem with the repo for jessie arm64... | 03:27 |
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| nobody666 | in http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/1.0/contrib/ i see that Contents-arm64.gz and Contents-mipsel.gz are obviously empty | 03:27 |
| nobody666 | checked on web.archive.org and those two files were properly-sized back in 2020... | 03:28 |
| nobody666 | has jessie support for arm64 and mipsel been discontinued? | 03:28 |
| nobody666 | if so, are there snapshots of deb.devuan.org in the line of snapshot.debian.org? | 03:29 |
| adhoc | is it just me or is the https cert for that borken ? | 03:29 |
| adhoc | and it force redirects from http to https | 03:30 |
| nobody666 | adhoc, which site? | 03:30 |
| gnarface | i do seem to remember some architectures getting discontinued or left out | 03:30 |
| adhoc | https://deb.devuan.org | 03:30 |
| gnarface | at some point | 03:30 |
| nobody666 | i did a debootstrap for armhf last week and it worked beautifully | 03:30 |
| nobody666 | works on here. using http | 03:31 |
| nobody666 | chromium 94something | 03:31 |
| bb|hcb | adhoc: that should be http://deb.devuan.org - that points to multitude of servers and sharing the cert is impossible | 03:31 |
| adhoc | firefox gives me; "deb.devuan.org has a security policy called HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS), which means that Firefox can only connect to it securely. You can’t add an exception to visit this site." | 03:32 |
| bb|hcb | open https://devuan.org to refresh the policy | 03:32 |
| adhoc | is chromium ignoring that? | 03:32 |
| adhoc | that is an annoying blocker to new folks ... | 03:33 |
| nobody666 | oh dear, looks like upstream might be the culprit | 03:33 |
| nobody666 | no COntents-arm64 or Contents-mipsel in http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/contrib/ | 03:33 |
| bb|hcb | by mistake subdomains were included in the HSTS policy for devuan.org; that is fixed long ago but firefox remembers... | 03:33 |
| adhoc | ok, works now | 03:34 |
| adhoc | refresh the root site, for the sub sites ? | 03:34 |
| bb|hcb | the mistake was on devuan.org and that affected all sub-domains... refreshing the policy happens only after you visit the place from where it came | 03:35 |
| bb|hcb | that won't be true in case the HSTS policy came directly from deb.devuan.org | 03:35 |
| bb|hcb | nobody666: is there a reason not to use the chimaera (latest stable)? | 03:37 |
| nobody666 | why the hell is debian doing, randomly removing two architectures for an archived release? | 03:37 |
| nobody666 | *what | 03:37 |
| nobody666 | bb|hcb: no particular reason | 03:38 |
| nobody666 | the linux stuff i have here are squeeze/wheezy/jessie era and I'd like to keep it that way as far as possible | 03:38 |
| bb|hcb | they had a reason... oldstable has LTS and the removed ones were not included | 03:40 |
| bb|hcb | btw. support for jessie was discontinued by June 2020; hope you plan to use that on non-networked devices ;) | 03:42 |
| nobody666 | i see what they're getting at. but by REMOVING. so very microsoft or apple | 03:42 |
| adhoc | nobody666: it is a support and security issue, | 03:43 |
| adhoc | nobody666: prompting folks to move forward is not a bad thing, in and of itself | 03:43 |
| adhoc | one of the biggest issues we have (my work) is support old versions. | 03:44 |
| adhoc | front and back end have to move together | 03:44 |
| adhoc | no so with an OS, where you can run debian 1.1 if you want to | 03:44 |
| bb|hcb | i have no say in that - halfway in the release cycle i'd switch to testing and back to stable after the next one is out... works for me (tm) | 03:46 |
| nobody666 | i realize devuan's repos are a sorta-overlay on debian's archives with the deb.debuan.org/DEVUAN/pool/,,, stuff | 03:46 |
| nobody666 | on debian's repos* | 03:47 |
| nobody666 | debi.debvuan.org/DEBIAN/pool/... * | 03:47 |
| adhoc | nobody666: does take a moment to get your head around at first =) | 03:47 |
| nobody666 | i bet it's some ngnix url rewrite stuff | 03:47 |
| bb|hcb | yes, it is | 03:48 |
| nobody666 | I managed to replicate the same when setting up my own local devuan mirror to prevent stupid stunts like this | 03:49 |
| nobody666 | but I only did it for amd64, it's been so long so I thought I forgot the exact mechanism | 03:49 |
| nobody666 | I'm not expecting the missing jessie architectures to re-appear on deb.devuan.org, however is there a way of doing so for my own local mirror? | 03:50 |
| nobody666 | using the stuff from http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/contrib/ instead of whatever normal place the devuan repos usually sync from | 03:51 |
| nobody666 | adhoc: thank you very much for your work on this wonderful distro - what debian was meant to be | 03:52 |
| nobody666 | i don't use ubuntu, i don't use arch, i don't use manjaro... only de{u,v}an and CentOS | 03:53 |
| adhoc | nobody666: I am just here for the moral support =) | 03:54 |
| adhoc | there are many devs, howerver I am not one of them... | 03:54 |
| adhoc | =) | 03:54 |
| nobody666 | my job isn't software development and I'll take a rolling release over my dead body | 03:55 |
| nobody666 | do devuan guys keep snapshot versions of deb.devuan.org? if so, i could point debootstrap there and done | 03:56 |
| bb|hcb | if you have a local devuan mirror setup in place, just shift the redirects from deb.debian.org to archive.debian.org and that would work | 03:58 |
| nobody666 | that would address the issues of missing .deb's - but the Contents (and I'd assume others) files of deb.devuan.org are broken for the afflicted arches | 03:59 |
| nobody666 | they're practically empty files | 03:59 |
| bb|hcb | there is no such thing as archive in devuan, because all the old stuff is still kept in the main place; btw. the main url is pkgmaster.devuan.org | 04:00 |
| bb|hcb | you do not need the Contents* for installing packages | 04:00 |
| nobody666 | clearly I'm no Debian master | 04:01 |
| nobody666 | i could debootstrap stretch or just use the arm board vendor's ubuntu sdcard image - but where' the learning in that? | 04:01 |
| nobody666 | er, ASCII | 04:01 |
| nobody666 | thank you very much bb|hcb , that might be the breakthru i was hoping for. i enjoy learning about the nuts and bolts of UNIX OSes just to spite M$ and apple and google... | 04:03 |
| nobody666 | and "developers" running Ubuntu on their sticker-addled Macbooks sipping whatever at starbucks doing "development"... | 04:04 |
| bb|hcb | freedom means that they should be free doing so, in case that's considered trendy... | 04:05 |
| nobody666 | who knows what(if any) telemetry damn VScode sends back to the mothership | 04:05 |
| bb|hcb | does that run under ubuntu/linux at all? | 04:06 |
| nobody666 | it has been doing so for quite a while now | 04:07 |
| nobody666 | https://storage.googleapis.com/static.configserverfirewall.com/images/ubuntu/install-visual-studio-code-ubuntu.jpg common sight at starbucks | 04:07 |
| nobody666 | ubuntu, vscode, javascript or python | 04:07 |
| nobody666 | hmm. while we're at it would you be so kind as to provide the "official" version of that ngnix url rewrite rule so I don't have to dig it up again, bb|hcb ? | 04:09 |
| nobody666 | ok, nevermind, i didn't RTFM. devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt | 04:10 |
| bb|hcb | I am not that fast :) your case is 5b) | 04:13 |
| nobody666 | in the http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/1.0/Release the contrib/binary-arm64/Packages and contrib/binary-arm64/Release files are still abnormally small | 04:15 |
| bb|hcb | That is normal, Devuan rebuilds only about 150 packages | 04:16 |
| nobody666 | *deep sigh* | 04:20 |
| nobody666 | big difference in sizes between http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz and binary-arm64/Packages.gz | 04:20 |
| nobody666 | the latter is empty! | 04:20 |
| nobody666 | or perhaps i should be looking here? http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-arm64/ | 04:22 |
| bb|hcb | yep, contrib is not big in Debian either | 04:26 |
| nobody666 | # debootstrap --make-tarball=devuan_arm64_jessie_debs_20220121.tar --components=main,contrib,non-free --include=build-essential,openssh-server,tmux,vim,ntp,ntpdate,file,mtd-utils,parted,fake-hwclock,locales,man-db,rsync,initramfs-tools,u-boot-tools --arch arm64 jessie devuan_arm64_jessie http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged | 04:27 |
| nobody666 | E: Couldn't find these debs: vim build-essential mtd-utils file man-db locales parted tmux openssh-server ntp rsync initramfs-tools u-boot-tools ntpdate fake-hwclock | 04:28 |
| nobody666 | suppose I'll have to do a local devuan jessie mirror with rewrite to archive.debian.org | 04:28 |
| bb|hcb | you can also redirect .../DEVUAN externally to pkgmaster | 04:29 |
| bb|hcb | but there is no example for that | 04:29 |
| gnarface | if you still need something that old, it would be a good idea to have your own mirror of it anyway | 04:30 |
| bb|hcb | or maybe add an .iso source? | 04:31 |
| nobody666 | i'd have done it for i386 or amd64, but I do not think there are official ARM releases of devuan jessie or ascii, are there? | 04:32 |
| bb|hcb | hm, there is no arm64 iso for jessie, so setting a local web server with the redirects is the only way | 04:32 |
| gnarface | there wasn't much arm64 hardware back then | 04:34 |
| nobody666 | if i do the debootstrap without any --include, works for pkgmaster and deb.devuan.org. Guess I pursued a red herring | 04:35 |
| nobody666 | I'll just get a barebones jessie arm64 system going and worry about the upstream link rot when the system is booted | 04:35 |
| nobody666 | how straightforward is it for a random tinkerer to get rsync access to devuan? | 04:36 |
| bb|hcb | should not be needed, since some of the mirrors have open rsync access | 04:37 |
| nobody666 | real cool indeed if true. no more wget nonsense | 04:38 |
| bb|hcb | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt check Protocols: | 04:38 |
| nobody666 | i don't usually use debian installer because I hate its nannying and hand-holding | 04:39 |
| nobody666 | so what if I live in JP but want UTC timezone? so what if I don't want a root pw? and so on. | 04:39 |
| nobody666 | new problem, looks like the Packages for jessie arm64 is broken on pkgmaster as well | 06:03 |
| nobody666 | compare http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz and http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-arm64/Packages.gzhttp://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-arm64/Packages.gz, big size difference | 06:03 |
| nobody666 | the arm64 version appears to be missing all pool/DEBIAN/... references | 06:05 |
| rrq | as of some year ago, the right url is like https://archive.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/... | 06:06 |
| nobody666 | rrq: amazing!! | 06:08 |
| nobody666 | as they say, time is money. free software needs a lot of time investment to get going | 06:12 |
| nobody666 | bb|hcb: adhoc : rrq : thanks so much for all your help | 09:05 |
| nobody666 | and time | 09:06 |
| nobody666 | Linux devuan 4.4.52-armada-17.10.4-g719fc867a76c #3 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 21 07:50:41 UTC 2022 aarch64 | 09:06 |
| adhoc | nobody666: you are welcome. | 09:19 |
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