libera/#devuan-dev/ Monday, 2020-10-12

xinomilogitea activation mail says url can be used within the next 3 hours, but 10' later, activation link doesn't work,  it's inactive (?!)14:14
xinomiloretried right after, and it worked the 2nd time..14:15
xinomilojust reporting...14:15
rrqxinomilo: no worries.. seems the first attempt rendered an MTA greylist rejection (your MTA had some concern about recipient address)15:29
xinomiloyes, that's correct15:29
xinomilodevuan.dev greylisted as 1st time sender mta, (now in whitelist)15:31
xinomiloso gitea reports this as error and cancels the request (?)15:31
rrqthe mail gets discarded I believe and the registration gets deleted as it's not activated within time15:33
xinomiloi received original mail a bit later though15:33
xinomiloso mta devuan.dev resends as expected15:33
xinomilomaybe gitea doesn't follow that...15:33
rrqright. yes, that's the mailer sub system, and the "spammer hammer" has no insight in that15:34
xinomilook, well i'm in after all, thanks for the feedback/info :)15:35
plasma41I realize I'm opening an entire can of worms just by asking this, but should libelogind-dev provide libsystemd-dev?21:13
fsmithredprobably21:14
fsmithredthat would help to satisfy build-deps21:14
plasma41I'm trying to do a local compile of the mate-system-monitor package, but one of it's build dependencies is libsystemd-dev.21:14
fsmithredyup. I've seen that with something else21:15
fsmithredif libelogind-dev doesn't do it, create an equivs package for the dep21:16
plasma41^that's what I was in the process of typing out that I was going to try21:17
fsmithredit might work21:17
plasma41I'll report back21:17
fsmithredassuming libelogind-dev provides the needed functions21:17
masonUgh. PMWiki defaults to a "password" scheme where there are not accounts, just shared passwords for different pages. The alternative is "AuthUser" which is more like what we want, but - and here's the exciting part - users can't control their own passwords.21:43
masonAh, as usual, it takes my posting a puzzle publically to find a potential solution. There's a third-party password management plug-in that might serve.21:47
masonUnfortunate it's not built-in.21:47
LeePenplasma41: I think not.21:54
LeePenThe libelogind libsystemd substitution is a runtime ABI compatibility.21:54
LeePenLike Debian, we compile against libsystemd-dev (if we have to and apart from a very few specific and tested cases like policykit).21:55
LeePenWe don't even know that all the source packages that build-dep on libsystemd-dev will actually build with libelogind-dev.21:56
plasma41Just tried it and got "Package libsystemd was not found in the pkg-config search path." Any chance it could be made to work with a symlink from 'libsystemd.pc' to 'libelogind.pc'?22:03
LeePenExactly. Just use libsystemd-dev.22:11
plasma41Building...22:12
plasma41There. Added the symlink to my equivs dummy package and got a successful build against libelogind-dev. :-)22:14
plasma41And all that work just so I could continue to use an older version of mate-system-monitor without having to keep around an obsolete libgtop package. I could make things so much easier for myself if I wasn't so stubborn. ;-)22:19
plasma41s/wasn't/weren't/  <-- Forgot about that weird grammar rule about hypothetical statements22:20
plasma41<-- had grammar mercilessly drilled into him all through elementary and high school22:22
onefangSounds painful.22:24
plasma41Whoever decided verbs should always take the plural form in hypothetical statements had way too much time on their hands.22:25
onefangMaybe the same person that decided that the plural of wasn't is weren't.22:26
plasma41Now to see if I can compile the package without lib{system|elogin}d altogether. If I'm lucky, it will be a simple configure flag.22:40
plasma41:-D '--disable-systemd' exists!22:42
plasma41Systemd-free build of mate-system-monitor compiled and installed! :-)23:02
ShorTiecool.23:06

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