| Unit193 | LeePen: https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt | 10:30 |
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| Centurion_Dan | LeePen - Thanks for the heads up. A really shit position to be in... | 10:57 |
| onefang | That was Unit193 giving the heads up to LeePen. | 10:57 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, I've worked with him on Xfce things, felt it's only proper. | 10:58 |
| Unit193 | ...Though it's a bit of a crapshow right now. | 10:58 |
| onefang | And apparently all the Freenode staff giving the heads up with that long quit message a short while ago. | 10:58 |
| xrogaan | #freenode topic is also warning people | 10:59 |
| onefang | The rest of my week was already a crapshow. lol | 10:59 |
| Unit193 | ....Well that wasn't exactly a quit message. | 10:59 |
| Centurion_Dan | Oops. Thanks Unit193 | 11:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | So irc.libera.chat or should we start hosting our own irc channels. | 11:01 |
| xrogaan | you don't know how stable libera will be | 11:01 |
| xrogaan | have you thought about oftc? | 11:02 |
| onefang | See the conversation in the other Devuan channel between rrq and me. | 11:02 |
| Unit193 | I can't rightt now, but if that's the direction you're going I know some people that could help out. | 11:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | I really wish there was a more federated solution... | 11:03 |
| onefang | XMPP very federated. | 11:03 |
| xrogaan | opening your own irc is a bad idea. Plenty around already. | 11:04 |
| Centurion_Dan | isn't XMPP now replaced by something else... (the name escapes me right now).... | 11:04 |
| onefang | Nope. | 11:04 |
| Centurion_Dan | Ok. I know jitsi uses it, although the jitsi implementation of that part is broken for non-x86 hardware on debian because of pre-compiled node shit that is x86 only. | 11:06 |
| onefang | You might be thinking of Matrix, which I have been looking into. It's main server uses Jitsi for video / audio, and Jitsi has Prosody (an XMPP server) for it's text chat bits. Matrix is a bit of a mess in my opinion. I'm sticking with my Prosody servers. | 11:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | (I' | 11:06 |
| onefang | Prosody is Lua. Should work fine on non-x86. | 11:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | (I'm not a fan of node.js) | 11:06 |
| onefang | Happily I'm a fan of Lua. That's one reason I chose Prosody. B-) | 11:07 |
| Centurion_Dan | I was going to try and rejig jitsi to use Yate instead - which would also give telephony integration pretty much for free too... | 11:07 |
| onefang | There's plenty of XMPP clients. I'm using one now to talk IRC with you. | 11:08 |
| Centurion_Dan | I installed a jitsi server on the talos box I have (ppc64le) | 11:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | and it wouldn't work because of that one component. | 11:09 |
| onefang | Prosody, or the web front end to Prosody? | 11:10 |
| onefang | No node.js in Prosody. | 11:10 |
| xrogaan | If you have a solid desktop based client for matrix, that would be neat. | 11:14 |
| xrogaan | Nothing of that nodejs nonsense. | 11:14 |
| onefang | From what I can tell, the best Matrix client is one of the web based ones wrapped in Electron. So is the second best. | 11:15 |
| xrogaan | Well, see, the point is to have a low memory footprint. | 11:16 |
| onefang | Which is why I don't run half a dozen Electron apps, to talk to the half a dozen message servers, using half a dozen differnt protocols, I just run the web pages in tabs of a web browser. | 11:17 |
| xrogaan | This is an interesting read: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/irc-matrix-and-thanks-for-all-the-kicks/6482 | 11:18 |
| onefang | Matrix protocol has bridges to other protocols, so does XMPP. | 11:18 |
| onefang | Matrix even has abridge to XMPP, and IRC. | 11:21 |
| onefang | I've used bridges IRC <-> XMPP. | 11:21 |
| xrogaan | libera chat might be a good alternative | 14:20 |
| xrogaan | There are 3 users and 429 invisible on 6 servers | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | it's up and running on port 6667: irc.libera.chat | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | onefang, Centurion_Dan: when do you think a decision can be discussed? | 14:36 |
| onefang | Weekly meeting is soon, but as I mentioned before, I can't make it coz the rest of my week is already full of stuff I'm doing. | 14:37 |
| onefang | It had already turned into a week from hell before this. lol | 14:38 |
| xrogaan | Wouldn't it benefit from a broader and long form exchange? | 14:41 |
| onefang | Very true. Which is why I raised it here in the first place. | 14:42 |
| onefang | But starting tomorrow morning (my time) I'm gonna be flat out like a lizard drinking as we say. And certainly my experience with Prosody for XMPP chat might be very useful. | 14:43 |
| onefang | So chat about it here, and / or on the mailing list. I'll contribute when I can. | 14:50 |
| xrogaan | xmpp isn't a good idea. It's kind of a deadend. | 14:50 |
| onefang | Not any more of a dead end than IRC. lol | 14:51 |
| xrogaan | ~200 peeps on #devuan. How many do you believe will join the xmpp thingy? | 14:51 |
| onefang | XMPP has the advantage that I'm already running servers for years, and can whip one up quickly. | 14:52 |
| onefang | You can say that about any new thing we do. | 14:52 |
| xrogaan | sure, I'm not connected to any xmpp service though. | 14:52 |
| onefang | What ever the new thing is, people will need to connect. Some might already have an XMPP account somewhere. It's federated. | 14:53 |
| xrogaan | Maybe I'll have to write an email to the list. And here I wanted to work on archivemail. | 14:53 |
| onefang | https://www.oftc.net/ has already been mentioned. | 14:54 |
| xrogaan | I'm on libera.chat right now, with other people. It looks alright. | 14:55 |
| onefang | I wanted to relax from any drama today, in preparation of what ever clusterfuck other things end up being over the next few days. | 14:56 |
| xrogaan | what do you expect over the next days? | 14:56 |
| onefang | Is that another IRC server? | 14:56 |
| onefang | A long list of things that are not important to Devuan, though it does also include transferring my sledjhamr.org domain. | 14:57 |
| onefang | Ah libera.chat IS another IRC network. So that's two IRC networks. | 15:02 |
| xrogaan | yes, irc.libera.chat is created by the ex-staff from freenode | 15:06 |
| onefang | Matrix has also been mentioned. When it looked like Microsoft might buy Discord (that deal fell through, though now Sony has bought into Discord in a big way) lots of people where looking at running their own Matrix servers to replace it. The best Matrix clients look a lot like Discord. | 15:06 |
| onefang | I found it funny that the standard Matrix server relios on Jitsi for audio / video chats, Jitsi includes Prosody XMPP server for IT'S text chat, so ZMatrix installs end up with an unused XMPP server. lol | 15:07 |
| xrogaan | I have a discord<->irc bridge through bitlbee. I'm on 5% of the total channels of the servers I joined. | 15:08 |
| xrogaan | it's just nonsense. | 15:08 |
| xrogaan | you'll join an instance, and there be 50 channels. | 15:09 |
| xrogaan | another instance, 50 others. | 15:09 |
| onefang | I don't like Discord myself, only joined it coz a couple of communities I'm involved with use it. | 15:10 |
| buZz | so, where are we moving #devuan ? OFTC or libera | 15:29 |
| mason | I'm setting up on libera.chat myself. | 15:29 |
| mason | https://libera.chat/ | 15:29 |
| buZz | yeah i registered, xrogaan owns the channel there now | 15:29 |
| mason | That's where the Freenode staff are going. The little silver-spoon fellow and his money can squat on Freenode's corpse until the end of time. | 15:30 |
| buZz | mason: silver-spoon not so much imho | 15:30 |
| xrogaan | I owns nothing, and libera's dropped | 15:30 |
| mason | xrogaan: It's back now if you reconnect. They had a node down. Have you registered #devuan, #devuan-dev, #devuan-infra, #devuan-offtopic? | 15:31 |
| mason | If not I'll look at how to do that. | 15:32 |
| xrogaan | nothing | 15:32 |
| mason | kk | 15:32 |
| xrogaan | still can't reach | 15:36 |
| xrogaan | well, it's to be expected. | 15:37 |
| mason | At first, yeah. | 15:37 |
| mason | The channel registration page talks about how we set up formally: https://libera.chat/chanreg | 15:37 |
| mason | Big lag this morning. | 15:38 |
| yeti | guess why... | 15:43 |
| yeti | lag reaching 1600... it needs a break... | 15:44 |
| mason | It does make me curious how much of the infrastructure will move. That's yet another faction. | 15:44 |
| xrogaan | should I register the channel on liberachat? | 15:45 |
| onefang | Register all our channels on both, so we have options and can decide at our leisure. | 15:45 |
| mason | xrogaan: We should register all the channels there, and probably make note of and list founders here to duplicate them there. You might need more privs to start but you can relinquish flags and stuff once it's all set up. | 15:45 |
| mason | That was my plan, but if you've got free time, that'd be better as I don't. | 15:46 |
| mason | So, #devuan, #devuan-offtopic, #devuan-infra, #devuan-dev, #devuan-wiki, #devuan-arm anyway. | 15:46 |
| onefang | #devuan-www | 15:47 |
| parazyd | Thanks for correlating this with me guys | 15:47 |
| parazyd | ... | 15:47 |
| parazyd | ffs | 15:47 |
| buZz | ? | 15:47 |
| parazyd | I'm the namespace owner | 15:47 |
| buZz | ok | 15:48 |
| parazyd | I can just ask the ops there to make the chans and transfer | 15:48 |
| buZz | this is about a new namespace though? | 15:48 |
| buZz | right | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | parazyd: sure | 15:48 |
| mason | parazyd: https://libera.chat/chanreg has the procedures | 15:48 |
| buZz | parazyd: dont feel bad, we're all trying to do whats best | 15:48 |
| mason | parazyd: We'll need to start afresh I imagine. | 15:48 |
| buZz | arent trying to pass you over :) | 15:48 |
| parazyd | Is there consensus to move? | 15:48 |
| yeti | it's so overrun, it reuses connects now | 15:48 |
| parazyd | To libera I mean | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | parazyd: no | 15:48 |
| yeti | reFuses | 15:48 |
| mason | parazyd: Not yet, but we want the space reserved just in case. | 15:49 |
| parazyd | ok | 15:49 |
| xrogaan | parazyd: people want to chat and discuss and see if xmpp isn't a better idea. | 15:49 |
| onefang | We are still discussing options, and lots of people haven't piped up yet. | 15:49 |
| mason | There's also OFTC. I don't have a strong opinion on what we do, other than ditching Freenode. | 15:49 |
| yeti | as project owner there is no need to hurry. you'd get the channels even i someone is faster | 15:49 |
| yeti | i->if | 15:49 |
| mason | Less hassle to get them right off the bat, but that's probably true. | 15:50 |
| yeti | oftc is stable for a long time now... sure would be a good choice too | 15:51 |
| yeti | I've no idea about libera... read that name for the 1st time today | 15:51 |
| yeti | but that might have been my ignorance | 15:51 |
| onefang | There's people in #devuan suggesting we run our own IRC server, as well as XMPP and Matrix suggestions. | 15:51 |
| xrogaan | parazyd: libera chat is still in the process of being setup though. I would wait some time. | 15:52 |
| parazyd | xrogaan: I'm in touch with them. No worries. | 15:52 |
| onefang | And apparently lagging under the load of everyone else joining it as they get set up. | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | okay | 15:53 |
| buZz | running your own chatserver is not something enjoyable :P | 15:54 |
| onefang | I run several. lol | 15:54 |
| parazyd | ok, consider libera sorted. | 15:55 |
| onefang | Cool, thanks. | 15:55 |
| parazyd | If we decide to move there, everything should be okay. | 15:55 |
| mason | yeti: Libera only came up as an idea when the hostile takeover started. | 15:55 |
| mason | parazyd: Nice, thanks!! | 15:55 |
| parazyd | You're welcome | 15:55 |
| xrogaan | tomaw moved to oftc | 15:59 |
| mason | xrogaan: He's not involved with Libera? | 16:11 |
| xrogaan | apparently | 16:11 |
| xrogaan | you can ask him, he's on #devuan | 16:12 |
| xrogaan | parazyd: you can do the same request to OFTC's staff in regard to devuan's namespace. | 16:13 |
| onefang | I should try to sleep before the fun starts tomorrow morning. | 16:14 |
| xrogaan | yes | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | tomorrow? | 16:35 |
| xrogaan | onefang expect lots of drama in the following days. | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | ok, I just don't want to wake up to an empty room tomorrow without prior warning. | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | at least a forwarding address | 16:40 |
| bgstack15 | Devuan meet tomorrow, May 20, at 20:30 UTC! Pad is here: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/4Iv1ZBPppewnY7i5r-f857EC/ | 16:54 |
| mason | bgstack15: ty | 19:38 |
| mason | Alright, I'm disengaging from Freenode but I'll look forward to seeing folks at the meeting tomorrow. I'm mason on OFTC, EFnet, MagNET, and Libera, so you can find me on any of those. Posted this to -infra as well. | 20:48 |
| gnu_srs | What to do when connecting to irc.libera.chat? Cannot join #devuan: Registration is required. | 23:40 |
| gnu_srs | Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services | 23:40 |
| xrogaan | right, been some spam earlier | 23:43 |
| xrogaan | i'll ask parazyd to remove the mdoe. | 23:43 |
| xrogaan | mode | 23:43 |
| xrogaan | ¬.¬ | 23:44 |
| rrq | possibly "nickname registration"? https://libera.chat/guides/registration | 23:44 |
| parazyd | Done | 23:45 |
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