furrywolf | if we're going to let him use than obnoxious of a nick, can we at least ban him until his client stops reconnecting constantly like it has for several days straight now? | 07:22 |
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drawkula | furrywolf: i didnt even notice that come & go | 07:42 |
drawkula | filtering it away normally | 07:42 |
furrywolf | he's been doing it for days now (four times just on the last screenful), with a particularly annoying nick. | 07:44 |
drawkula | ok... ugly... but I've seen lots of come&go in a higher frequency | 07:44 |
furrywolf | and again. | 07:46 |
furrywolf | heh, in my channel, I'd probably ban him just for that nick. | 07:46 |
drawkula | $ awk '$2=="-->" && $3~/poonta/' .weechat/logs/*#devuan.* | wc -l | 07:46 |
drawkula | 16 | 07:46 |
drawkula | thats not sooo much | 07:47 |
drawkula | and the degree of annoyance of a nick is purely subjective | 07:47 |
drawkula | I kickbanned one a while ago because of a kidporn related nick... | 07:48 |
drawkula | he thought it were funny | 07:48 |
drawkula | messia stuff qualifies for a therapy... but not for a kick | 07:49 |
drawkula | :-Þ | 07:49 |
furrywolf | ... you know what poontang means, right? | 07:50 |
furrywolf | let me change my nick to cuntgod or something and join repeatedly.. | 07:51 |
drawkula | has no relation to underaged... so idc | 07:53 |
poontangmessiah | hello furrywolf, i'm sorry that you don't like my nick, i lost a bet, so i have to use it, hope you understand, i also apologize for my connection issues. | 07:54 |
poontangmessiah | I'm pretty sure a few letters on your display won't bother you that much | 07:55 |
drawkula | for how long? | 07:55 |
poontangmessiah | drawkula: until she says so | 07:56 |
drawkula | hmmm... | 07:56 |
poontangmessiah | can we please go back on topic now? | 07:56 |
furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime | 08:13 |
* Centurion_Dan ROTFL @ poontangmessiah's predicament... | 09:16 | |
kreyren | i have issue with pinning on franken debian which is using devuan sources, are you willing to help? | 11:16 |
kreyren | preferences: http://ix.io/1QEK | 11:16 |
kreyren | sources.list: http://ix.io/1QEI | 11:16 |
kreyren | issue: http://ix.io/1QEN | 11:17 |
kreyren | expecting to use libxfce4ui-2-0 on this system | 11:18 |
kreyren | from devuan | 11:18 |
kreyren | since it doesnt seem to have dependency issues with openrc | 11:18 |
kreyren | like this: https://pastebin.com/raw/JKaTPqRb | 11:18 |
fsmithred | kreyren, libxfce4ui-2-0 is the same package in debian and devuan | 12:12 |
kreyren | fsmithred: doubt assuming that dependencies on devuan are different https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/libxfce4ui-2-0_4.12.1-3.html compared to http://ix.io/1QF0 | 12:15 |
kreyren | wait.. | 12:15 |
kreyren | true | 12:15 |
kreyren | why is it pulling systemd then | 12:15 |
fsmithred | try installing without recommends | 12:17 |
fsmithred | that's in lieu of an actual answer to your last question | 12:18 |
fsmithred | since I don't know the answer (other than "something in the dependency chain...") | 12:18 |
kreyren | no recommends are used only gtk-3-0 which is it's dependency | 12:19 |
kreyren | optimizing preferences atm | 12:19 |
fsmithred | your priorities are all very high | 12:20 |
kreyren | is `o` option in `Pin: release o=Devuan,a=beowulf` valid? | 12:24 |
fsmithred | n=beowulf | 12:24 |
kreyren | why `n` ? debian mensiones `a` for release codename | 12:25 |
fsmithred | not sure about using both | 12:25 |
fsmithred | n=name | 12:25 |
fsmithred | a=suite | 12:25 |
fsmithred | I'm using n for beowulf, ascii, ceres, a for ascii-backports | 12:25 |
kreyren | ah true thanks | 12:25 |
kreyren | so `a=experimental` is sane? | 12:26 |
fsmithred | yess | 12:26 |
fsmithred | what's your main suite? | 12:27 |
kreyren | bullseye | 12:27 |
kreyren | eh testing | 12:27 |
kreyren | on debian | 12:27 |
fsmithred | that's the only one that should have a high priority | 12:27 |
fsmithred | then if you want something from anywhere else, you have to specify with -t option | 12:28 |
kreyren | sanity_check: http://ix.io/1QF4 | 12:28 |
kreyren | expecting to use devuan sources if debian's are not present like currently used to make openrc working: http://ix.io/1QF5 | 12:28 |
kreyren | note that i've defined default branch in /etc/apt/apt.conf | 12:29 |
kreyren | > APT::Default-Release "bullseye"; | 12:30 |
fsmithred | bullseye will drift away from buster/beowulf before we have a corresponding repo | 12:31 |
kreyren | so far it works, expecting to use openrc and it's deps from devuan and rest from bullseye | 12:32 |
fsmithred | any packages we build for ceres now are headed for beowulf | 12:32 |
fsmithred | yeah, everyone is on vacation now | 12:33 |
kreyren | i see | 12:33 |
fsmithred | eventtuallly, some openrc dep will depend on something that's too new for it | 12:33 |
kreyren | what do you recommend to get reliable debian with openrc and newer packages that are not maintained to break (like some packages in unstable) | 12:33 |
kreyren | then i would need to resovle it manually or make custom repository | 12:34 |
kreyren | *resolve | 12:34 |
fsmithred | I didn't realize that openrc is not in debian | 12:36 |
fsmithred | did it used to be there? | 12:36 |
kreyren | i guess | 12:37 |
kreyren | afaik ported by gentoo | 12:37 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, I guess that's where we got itt | 12:37 |
fsmithred | I don't know what to tell you. | 12:38 |
drawkula | https://packages.debian.org/buster/openrc | 12:38 |
kreyren | ty for help tho | 12:38 |
kreyren | drawkula i know, but it needs dependencies from devuan to work without issues | 12:38 |
kreyren | like consolekit2 and eudev | 12:39 |
fsmithred | for newer packages, you might backport some yourself | 12:43 |
fsmithred | some are easy to do, some are not | 12:43 |
kreyren | investigating | 12:43 |
kreyren | seems that some package in debian has hard dependency on systemd but i can't find it yet | 12:44 |
kreyren | sorry webchat kicked me | 12:47 |
fsmithred | kreyren, the other thing you could try is aptitude instead of apt/apt-get. It might offer a solution. | 13:05 |
kreyren | fsmithred in https://pastebin.com/raw/xXAuZFb2 | 13:06 |
kreyren | > eudev : Breaks: systemd (> 220) but 241-7 is to be installed | 13:07 |
fsmithred | dbus-user-session{a} is a problem. Make sure youu have dbus-x11 | 13:07 |
kreyren | > dbus-x11 : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (= 1.12.16-1) but 1.12.16-1+devuan2 is to be installed | 13:08 |
kreyren | investigating | 13:08 |
fsmithred | and if you tell aptitude 'no' it will give you another solution | 13:08 |
kreyren | aptitude doesnt want to let go of systemd-sysv and other deps | 13:10 |
fsmithred | you should really be excuding recommends on all your installs. That will make life easier. | 13:10 |
fsmithred | If something you want is excluded, you can add it manually. | 13:11 |
kreyren | i was thinking about masking libdbus in favor of devuan atm | 13:11 |
kreyren | sane? | 13:11 |
kreyren | assuming that i need lower version to make this working | 13:11 |
fsmithred | nothing about all of this has been sane since 2014 | 13:12 |
kreyren | lul | 13:13 |
fsmithred | have you tried running just ceres? | 13:14 |
fsmithred | there are a few people who do that | 13:15 |
fsmithred | your setup is too unpredictable | 13:15 |
kreyren | nope, since it's unstable and i would have to cherrypick maintainers who are using repositories as an option instead of making it break to discover bugs (this is rescue OS to my Exherbo/Guix) | 13:15 |
fsmithred | unstable refers to how quickly package versions change | 13:17 |
fsmithred | additional repos on different schedules will increase the rate of change in your system | 13:17 |
fsmithred | therefore making it more unstable | 13:17 |
kreyren | on debian some maintainers are developing software to break to discover bugs on sid.. is it different on ceres? | 13:18 |
fsmithred | I don't really understand what you mean | 13:18 |
kreyren | like intentionally make the package to stresstest new feature for security and stability on sid | 13:18 |
fsmithred | new versions come from upstream, they get debianized, they go into sid/ceres and people test them | 13:19 |
fsmithred | if they work, they migrate down to testing | 13:19 |
kreyren | yes but some maintainers are also upstream devs using debian with testers for these packages | 13:20 |
kreyren | afaik opensll used to have this workflow | 13:20 |
kreyren | *openssl | 13:20 |
fsmithred | kreyren, are you using a plain window manager or a full desktop environment? | 13:23 |
fsmithred | oh right, xfce | 13:23 |
kreyren | just xfce4-terminal temporarely since i'm lazy to make configuration to alacritty since my config is on another system | 13:24 |
kreyren | using openbox | 13:24 |
fsmithred | might have better luck with lxterminal | 13:24 |
fsmithred | but my general advice is that you need a much more restrictive policy | 13:25 |
fsmithred | to manage the dependencies | 13:25 |
kreyren | same issue on lxterminal | 13:25 |
kreyren | https://pastebin.com/3jrVpEDs | 13:25 |
fsmithred | even if you add --no-install-recommends? | 13:25 |
kreyren | https://pastebin.com/TTnvaDib yep | 13:26 |
fsmithred | using debian repos with devuan is kinda like having sex with a stranger without a condom | 13:28 |
fsmithred | aptitude why <package> | 13:29 |
fsmithred | might tell you something | 13:29 |
kreyren | i xinit Recommends xterm | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulatorp xfce4-terminal Provides x-terminal-emulator | 13:30 |
kreyren | p xfce4-terminal Provides x-terminal-emulator | 13:30 |
fsmithred | careful about pasting lines here- you can get automatically kicked for too nany | 13:32 |
fsmithred | nany/many | 13:32 |
kreyren | i know it was just two lines | 13:33 |
kreyren | i'm upgrading on ceres then | 13:36 |
mroh | some moons ago, i had the mix of sid with some ceres debs running | 13:40 |
kreyren | mroh: seems sane to run, recommended ? | 13:40 |
mroh | no, after a while you have to have to many pkgs on hold, because they break... | 13:41 |
mroh | maybe i should try an sid openrc install (in a vm or so)... | 13:42 |
kreyren | probably waste of time assuming debian missing eudev and consolekit2 | 13:43 |
mroh | i even think about about switching to gentoo/funtoo (after >20 years of sid) ... | 13:43 |
kreyren | i can recommend exherbo | 13:43 |
mroh | yeah, consolekit is a problem and recently dconf stuff also... | 13:45 |
kreyren | how do i set default branch on pinning? | 13:46 |
kreyren | apt.conf doesnt seem to work | 13:47 |
kreyren | assuming `APT::Default-Release "ceres";` | 13:47 |
kreyren | sanity check: http://ix.io/1QFs | 14:01 |
fsmithred | I'd make them all 50 except for one at 500 | 14:12 |
kreyren | why? assuming `- causes a version to be installed only if there is no installed version of the package` | 14:18 |
fsmithred | kreyren, I would use 50 so that nothing gets installed unless I specifically request it | 15:41 |
kreyren | i see | 15:44 |
fsmithred | I also keep a file in apt.conf.d that excludes Recommends. That helps to prevent a lot of conflicts. | 16:01 |
kreyren | it doesnt seems to pull any recommends on my end o.o | 16:02 |
fsmithred | maybe not, or maybe they're already installed | 16:02 |
fsmithred | there are a lot of conflicts between buster and beowulf. A migration from buster to beowulf can be very difficult right now. | 16:03 |
fsmithred | Trying to get them to cohabitate might be impossible. | 16:04 |
kreyren | i see will do | 16:05 |
FatPhil | Hmmm, I was looking for a program, probably called mp3splt, and see a set of libmp3splt0* packages in ascii, but no program that uses those libraries. Is that deliberate/desired? | 16:59 |
FatPhil | the lib 'suggests' such a program, but that program doesn't exist. | 17:00 |
debdog | FatPhil: it's there https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mp3splt | 17:49 |
debdog | oh, you're right, ot does not show up | 17:51 |
debdog | *it | 17:52 |
buZz | well | 18:00 |
buZz | isnt mp3 -anything- instantly non-free ? | 18:00 |
debdog | my sources list says: deb http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free | 18:01 |
debdog | and it's not there either: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 18:01 |
buZz | debdog: ran apt update yet? | 18:02 |
buZz | :) dno man, i see it in apt search mp3splt on my ascii system here | 18:02 |
debdog | buZz: yes | 18:03 |
debdog | huh | 18:03 |
buZz | installs just fine aswell | 18:03 |
buZz | :) | 18:03 |
buZz | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 18:03 |
buZz | libmp3splt0 libmp3splt0-flac libmp3splt0-mp3 libmp3splt0-ogg mp3splt | 18:03 |
debdog | removed the de. and aptitude update again: 76719 (+75421) new. | 18:08 |
debdog | though mp3split is not there | 18:08 |
debdog | also: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=mp3splt&release=ascii | 18:10 |
debdog | buZz: what's in your sources.list? | 18:11 |
buZz | deb http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free contrib | 18:11 |
debdog | only one line left: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep ^deb | 18:16 |
debdog | deb http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main non-free contrib | 18:16 |
debdog | still no mp3splt | 18:16 |
onefang | Hmmm, I thought the patent on mp3 ran out years ago? | 18:25 |
debdog | dafugg, now the libmp3splt packages are gone as well | 18:25 |
debdog | and now they are back again | 18:30 |
onefang | I see mp3splt in ASCII, and mp3splt-gtk, in main. | 18:33 |
debdog | onefang: aptitude show mp3splt | grep Version ? | 18:35 |
onefang | 2.6.2-dmo2 | 18:36 |
buZz | same here | 18:36 |
buZz | mp3splt/oldstable 2.6.2-dmo2 amd64 | 18:36 |
furrywolf | apt-cache show mp3splt | 18:48 |
furrywolf | N: Can't select versions from package 'mp3splt' as it is purely virtual | 18:48 |
furrywolf | looks broken in ascii here... | 18:48 |
debdog | yah, can't even install it using dpkg -i | 18:49 |
debdog | libmp3splt vs. libmp3splt0 issue, on a quick glance | 18:50 |
debdog | well, that's above me anyway. | 18:51 |
g------ | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin | 19:01 |
g------ | I upgraded to beowulf and this is what I get when I type dpkg -i <package>.deb now | 19:01 |
g------ | weird it works if I type sudo when root | 19:04 |
drawkula | aaaaaand? secure_path in dodoers unset? | 19:43 |
golinux | drawkula: The paths in beowulf are really screwed up/ I still don't get it. | 20:36 |
drawkula | I didnt stumble into this on 10 beowulfs | 20:42 |
drawkula | some upgraded netinstalled asciis, 2 were debian9 transgraded to ascii, then upgraded to beo... | 20:43 |
drawkula | I typically install my on .bashrc and .bashrc_local and maybe the problems are in the original .bashrc | 20:45 |
drawkula | eeeeh... sometimes I only append sourcing my .bashrc_local to .bashrc | 20:46 |
drawkula | oook... I add some paths to the user's PATH especially the "sbin"s but I do not change root's PATH | 20:50 |
drawkula | " 'ldconfig' not found in PATH " probably comes after a sodo command and /etc/sodoers should set a safe path... | 20:51 |
drawkula | maybe I have a different /etc/sodoers? | 20:51 |
drawkula | I definitely haven't touched /etc/sudoers on 10 beowulfs | 20:59 |
drawkula | so no matter what I have in my user's path, it should™ work... | 20:59 |
drawkula | as long as sudo is found... | 20:59 |
drawkula | strange matter. | 21:01 |
drawkula | . | 21:01 |
fsmithred | drawkula, in beowulf, 'su' does not give you root's PATH. I forget what sudo does. I could test it if x11vnc didn't decide to give me ALL CAPS | 21:12 |
MinceR | i think 'su -' does though | 21:16 |
furrywolf | you should generally su - | 21:17 |
fsmithred | MinceR, yes | 21:18 |
fsmithred | well, in my case, sudo sees /sbin/reboot, but that might be because I have that command allowed in sudoers.d. User is not in sudo group. | 21:21 |
drawkula | "g------ | weird it works if I type sudo when root" <<< ok. I assumed he's use sudo from the user account too | 21:22 |
drawkula | maybe that wasnt the case? | 21:22 |
fsmithred | what are you saying? | 21:22 |
fsmithred | drawkula, is your user in the sudo group? | 21:23 |
drawkula | my sudo works | 21:23 |
drawkula | I tried to understand g------'s problem | 21:24 |
fsmithred | oh, it's like this | 21:24 |
fsmithred | in beowulf, if you 'su' to get root, you get the user's PATH | 21:24 |
fsmithred | that's a change from previous releases | 21:25 |
fsmithred | if you 'su -' then you do get root's PATH (includes sbins) | 21:25 |
fsmithred | but then you can't run graphical apps as root, because you don't get user's env | 21:25 |
drawkula | but g-⁵ spoke of sudo | 21:26 |
drawkula | or wrote | 21:26 |
drawkula | that may have been the whole confusion | 21:26 |
fsmithred | it probably works with sudo as user in that case | 21:27 |
fsmithred | sudo gets the right path, su doesn't. I don't really understand the logic of that. | 21:27 |
furrywolf | bbl, work | 21:27 |
drawkula | let's assume g-⁵ meant su and wrote sudo... | 21:29 |
fsmithred | I would not assume that, based on my experience with beowulf | 21:32 |
fsmithred | ok, I just tried it | 21:33 |
fsmithred | su | 21:33 |
fsmithred | blkid | 21:33 |
fsmithred | command not found | 21:33 |
fsmithred | then as root | 21:33 |
fsmithred | sudo blkid | 21:33 |
fsmithred | and it works | 21:33 |
fsmithred | sudo geany works, too. | 21:34 |
drawkula | let's assume g-⁵ meant su and wrote sudo in irc (not in the shell)... | 21:35 |
fsmithred | why? | 21:35 |
drawkula | because sudo would have worked in the shell | 21:36 |
fsmithred | the dpkg warning was given when logged in as root with 'su' | 21:37 |
fsmithred | it's not written in irc, but I know that's the way it works | 21:38 |
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