| frabbit | gnarface: do u use a gui manager? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| frabbit | *other | 00:00 |
| frabbit | i have isc-dhcp-client and *-common here and when i want to remove them apt want to install dhcpcd5 instead | 00:01 |
| frabbit | but theres no internt connection so that will fail... | 00:01 |
| frabbit | better try removing wicd first | 00:02 |
| frabbit | all these programs probably mess arround in the network files and every programm does something different... inconsistent shit | 00:04 |
| frabbit | probably now after i removed *wicd* the changes wicd does are still in those files... | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't matter if wicd is not running | 00:07 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: ok will see now | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | you're sure you have the right interface name? And sure wicd has right interface name? (doesn't matter now that it's gone.) | 00:08 |
| frabbit | not working | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | and is it plugged in? | 00:08 |
| frabbit | wicd is gone now and it worked yesterday on eth0 | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | and dhclient eth0 should have worked | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | I've got one that does that because the network cable gets loose. | 00:09 |
| frabbit | hm.. | 00:10 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: that port in that laptop here is a bit loose, but yesterday it worked | 00:11 |
| frabbit | *sigh* | 00:11 |
| frabbit | why isnt every port vga? xD | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | lol | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | takes too long | 00:11 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yeah =D | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | unbreakable plastic clips would be nice | 00:12 |
| frabbit | i think the vendors want them to break easily | 00:12 |
| frabbit | i will clean the port now | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | clean it? | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | maybe blow out dust | 00:14 |
| frabbit | yeah maybe i can see there something brooken | 00:14 |
| frabbit | some pin or i dunno | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | I just push them in and if I feel it move, I know it was loose. For sure if that makes it work. | 00:14 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yeah me too normally, but here it is like that, that this plastic clip dont make a click sound on that port | 00:15 |
| bengiul | down to 70 conflicts :) | 00:15 |
| frabbit | i tried 3 different plugs | 00:16 |
| fsmithred | ok, I guess that's not the problem | 00:16 |
| frabbit | ah! | 00:16 |
| frabbit | theres really something that moved | 00:17 |
| frabbit | some metallic thing | 00:17 |
| frabbit | wait i need to fix this | 00:17 |
| frabbit | lol that made it! -.- | 00:18 |
| frabbit | !"**$?="))"/§) | 00:18 |
| frabbit | there was some little metal thing bent | 00:20 |
| bengiul | https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Soul-Capitalism-John-Bogle/dp/0300119712 The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism | 00:22 |
| bengiul | oops wrong channel | 00:22 |
| bengiul | can i make aptitude resolve dependencies without needing > 7GB RAM? | 00:42 |
| ShorTie | apt-cache depends ...... ?? | 00:46 |
| frabbit | there should be a dark theme in xfce | 00:52 |
| bengiul | agree with frabbit | 00:54 |
| bengiul | dark themes get short shrift | 00:54 |
| bengiul | and then there are all the programs that hardcode text to black | 00:54 |
| bengiul | which is as clear a sign as anything about how far we are removed from enlightened | 00:55 |
| bengiul | that's like trying to eat food and stabbing yourself in the eye with your fork | 00:56 |
| bengiul | that level of stupid | 00:56 |
| frabbit | i would recommend a devuan theme: dark and purple =) | 00:57 |
| bengiul | (i am exaggerating) | 00:57 |
| bengiul | i locked up my machine with aptitude. OOM | 00:57 |
| frabbit | bengiul: i suggest you to use apt only | 01:00 |
| bengiul | i'll use whatever i can | 01:00 |
| bengiul | increasing swap by freeing up space now | 01:00 |
| gnarface | sorry frabbit, got distracted by something. no, i don't use any gui for network management. i just type up my /etc/network/interfaces file manually | 01:01 |
| frabbit | gnarface: np =). yeah thats how i do it too on my computer. | 01:02 |
| frabbit | gnarface: btw the port was a bit broken here that was the whole problem... xD | 01:02 |
| gnarface | frabbit: glad to hear it wasn't the software, but you should know i tried and failed to use wicd *recently* in a similiar situation (helping someone else) | 01:12 |
| gnarface | but after some deliberation, we decided they didn't need control over the connection anyway and i decided to just curate it by hand for them | 01:12 |
| frabbit | gnarface: ok | 01:13 |
| frabbit | yeah the person that owns this laptop needs to switch between different networks on different ways (eth, wlan) from time to time | 01:14 |
| gnarface | all the network gui management tools seem to have their own quirks, and learning them still isn't easier for me than just figuring out how to do it by hand with the interfaces file | 01:14 |
| frabbit | hm.. the dark theme seems not to work on taht min-xfce here. do i need a specific package, to let the theme coloring the menu for example too? the theme itself supports this | 01:38 |
| gnarface | frabbit: i think so. i recall this coming up before, there is a non-stock menu add-on widget or something like that that gives you fancier menu features. sometimes themes can overlook the plain menu, i think? | 01:41 |
| gnarface | frabbit: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin < this one, i think, but i haven't seen it first-hand | 01:42 |
| gnarface | frabbit: unless it's this one? xfce4-appmenu-plugin | 01:42 |
| frabbit | gnarface: cool thx will try it right now | 01:42 |
| gnarface | frabbit: try "apt-cache search xfce" and you'll have a fairly exhaustive list of packages for xfce | 01:42 |
| frabbit | atm only the titlebar is changing | 01:42 |
| frabbit | ok | 01:43 |
| gnarface | the search will accept regexp just fyi | 01:43 |
| gnarface | that can help | 01:43 |
| gnarface | frabbit: oh, if you've seen this elsewhere, like on ubuntu or something, it might be helpful to check the package list there | 01:45 |
| gnarface | sometimes they'll include different packages by default, but that are still in the repos | 01:45 |
| gnarface | but my memory is telling me that it was the whiskermenu plugin that was mentioned last this came up | 01:45 |
| gnarface | i've been using enlightenment, so i haven't really seen any of this | 01:51 |
| frabbit | hmm thta package doesnt give me any new settings | 01:53 |
| frabbit | but ive found where the theme i downloaded changes the menu for example too | 01:54 |
| frabbit | but the xfce settings window for exmaple is still defualt | 01:54 |
| frabbit | *default | 01:54 |
| gnarface | you might still have to restart xfce after installing that | 01:55 |
| gnarface | and/or even enable it | 01:55 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm wrong | 01:55 |
| frabbit | does logout the user works too casue ive done that | 01:56 |
| gnarface | hmmm, i think it would | 01:56 |
| gnarface | you might have to restart the gui login manager too | 01:59 |
| gnarface | (assuming you're using one) | 01:59 |
| gnarface | but this seems like i must be misdiagnosing the issue | 01:59 |
| frabbit | yeah slim | 01:59 |
| gnarface | either i'm misdiagnosing the issue, or there's another step | 02:00 |
| gnarface | did you have xfce4-appmenu-plugin installed too? | 02:01 |
| gnarface | and this? xfce4-settings | 02:01 |
| gnarface | i'm just asking as a sanity check | 02:01 |
| frabbit | only settings | 02:01 |
| gnarface | has anyone here actually done this before? | 02:03 |
| gnarface | i'm sure someone has | 02:04 |
| frabbit | xfce4-appmenu-plugin doesnt exist in the repos? | 02:04 |
| gnarface | oh, i'm looking at ceres, ignore that then | 02:04 |
| frabbit | oh ok =) | 02:04 |
| gnarface | wait, were you on ascii or beowulf? | 02:06 |
| gnarface | on ascii maybe it is xfce4-topmenu-plugin | 02:06 |
| gnarface | try this: apt-cache search xfce.*menu | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | did you figure it out yet? | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | whisker menu, I mean | 02:07 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: do you know what's going on with this? | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | right-click on the panel, select Panel, Add new item, | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | the select Whisker Menu | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | it puts a blue icon on the panel that opens the menu | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin is all I installed | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ is in ascii, too (I'm in beowulf) | 02:11 |
| frabbit | gnarface: ascii | 02:15 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i see done this | 02:17 |
| frabbit | but it is the same menu like the one with the xfce logo in the left corner on the panel... | 02:18 |
| fsmithred | how did you install xfce? | 02:19 |
| frabbit | minimal friends of devuan style | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | are you using any other xfce panel plugins? | 02:20 |
| frabbit | gnarface: ill install xfce4-topmenu-plugin now | 02:20 |
| gnarface | frabbit: no no, i would not | 02:21 |
| gnarface | frabbit: if fsmithred says it is the whiskermenu one, he's probably right | 02:21 |
| frabbit | oh ok | 02:21 |
| frabbit | the i remove it again | 02:21 |
| gnarface | are you fully updated? | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | go look at screenshots of whisker menu to see if that's what you want | 02:21 |
| frabbit | sure every day | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | https://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/ | 02:22 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: why ive seen that on my computer | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | that's what it looks like | 02:24 |
| frabbit | and it doesnt do that what i want: make a dark theme work aon all menus, windows etc. | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | I just added it in ascii. Works the same, but looks slightly different. | 02:24 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i know i had installed it =) | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | right click on the whisker icon for preferences | 02:25 |
| frabbit | yeah different look but same function | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | and no, that won't give you a dark theme. You need to install a window manager theme | 02:25 |
| frabbit | yeah i already did... | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | you found a dark theme? | 02:26 |
| frabbit | but these themes i downloaded are not working everywhere | 02:26 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yes | 02:26 |
| frabbit | not only one | 02:26 |
| frabbit | https://www.pling.com/s/XFCE/p/1372959/ | 02:27 |
| frabbit | https://www.pling.com/s/XFCE/p/1016619/ | 02:27 |
| frabbit | https://www.pling.com/s/XFCE/p/1016603/ | 02:27 |
| frabbit | atm im looking here: https://www.pling.com/s/XFCE/search/projectSearchText/everything+dark/page/1/pci/138 | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | not working everywhere - you mean some apps don't look right but some do? | 02:29 |
| fsmithred | a lot of themes don't work with gtk3 | 02:29 |
| frabbit | hmm atm i have numix and the menu is dark, but thunar not, settings not and many others too... | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | and even if they do, some of gtk3 is pretty bad | 02:30 |
| frabbit | Numix Holo is a flat, slick theme containing: | 02:30 |
| frabbit | - A GTK+ 2/3 theme | 02:30 |
| frabbit | i remember that on openbox tehres a darktheme | 02:31 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: do u have xfce with a dark theme that works? | 02:32 |
| fsmithred | no | 02:32 |
| frabbit | =( | 02:32 |
| fsmithred | I use the devuan themes (darkpurpy or cinnabar) | 02:32 |
| fsmithred | even in openbox | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | Nightmare and Onyx in openbox | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | with some variations | 02:34 |
| frabbit | yeah onyx was that i used in the past with openbox | 02:34 |
| frabbit | darkpurpy sounds good where to get this? | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | apt install clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | is probably not what you want | 02:35 |
| frabbit | why? | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | it's the default desktop theme in ascii if you install xfce from the installer isos | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | because it's not a dark theme | 02:35 |
| frabbit | i donnu how that looks | 02:36 |
| frabbit | *dunno | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | kinda like devuan.org | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | a lot like it - same colors | 02:36 |
| frabbit | oh thats not dark then | 02:37 |
| frabbit | only with dark reader addon for firefox | 02:38 |
| frabbit | x) | 02:38 |
| fsmithred | oh, you might need to add some packages | 02:39 |
| fsmithred | possibly: gtk2-engines gtk3-engines-xfce | 02:41 |
| frabbit | nah.. im not in the mood anymore... i rollback my system now | 02:41 |
| frabbit | every gui programm should come with a dark theme | 02:41 |
| frabbit | better for the eyes, lower energy use... | 02:42 |
| gnarface | frabbit: you didn't have the engines packages and you bailed out without checking? ... | 02:43 |
| gnarface | doesn't seem smart | 02:43 |
| frabbit | dunno if i have them but i wasted hours of lifetime again because xfce devs dont think its necessary to ship that desktop thing with in a dark theme by default | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | themes are a major pain in the ass to design as some apps go to gtk3 and some don't | 02:45 |
| frabbit | other devs are the same mozilla for example, or gimp, or libreoffice... | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | and every minor version of gtk3 is different enough to cause problems | 02:45 |
| frabbit | its just about shipping these programms with dark grey instead of light grey windows 95 whatever... | 02:45 |
| frabbit | no need for gtk3 or something | 02:46 |
| frabbit | like osm for exmaple, that comes in a dark theme by default | 02:46 |
| frabbit | *OSB | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | geany has some dark themes | 02:47 |
| frabbit | geany what was that again? | 02:47 |
| frabbit | image something? | 02:47 |
| fsmithred | text editor/IDE | 02:47 |
| frabbit | ok | 02:48 |
| frabbit | i use vim | 02:48 |
| frabbit | and for beginners i install leafpad | 02:48 |
| frabbit | however thanks for your help gnarface and fsmithred =) | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | good luck finding a theme you like | 02:49 |
| frabbit | didnt got what i want, but i do not care. i need to do some replicant and windows stuff and im already so tired | 02:49 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: =) | 02:49 |
| gnarface | sorry it didn't work how you want it, but i do think you might be giving up too early. you should revisit this later when you have time. lots of issues boil down to missing packages, that's always been true for debian too | 02:50 |
| frabbit | gnarface: sure. =) as i said im tired. | 02:54 |
| bengiul | finding the balance between accepting offtopic and rejecting it is hard | 03:02 |
| bengiul | but as long as it's not too many people, it's ok | 03:02 |
| bengiul | kind of like immigration :) | 03:03 |
| bengiul | devuan is not just an OS. It is an example of a movement of a people who reject a bad thing being introduced into their society. | 03:05 |
| onefang | It helps if you listen to those telling you something is off topic, especially the person with channel mod rights before she starts getting shouty at you. | 03:06 |
| bengiul | yes we need these hierarchies of decision making to have some kind of order | 03:07 |
| onefang | This is a technical support channel for Devuan. Everything else is off topic. Likely including this. lol | 03:07 |
| bengiul | i know. sorry. but the ultimate test is to not interrupt support-chat | 03:07 |
| golinux | No. It is to focus on support so those with solutions don't have to wade through useless chatter. | 03:08 |
| bengiul | employees in every company chat offtopic, when there is idle time, onefang | 03:09 |
| onefang | And to not leave hundreds of off topic messages mixed in with hundreds of support messages when I wake up (which I just did), so it's easier to see if there's a support question I should say something about. | 03:10 |
| golinux | All off topic slows them down and pisses them off because their time providing an OS that you get to use for free is valuable and chat wates it | 03:10 |
| bengiul | if anyone is scanning these logs, then any offtopic is a harm | 03:10 |
| bengiul | are people scanning these logs for help? | 03:10 |
| golinux | That's what we've been trying to tell you for days. | 03:10 |
| onefang | I just did, coz I just woke up, and there was 200 messages to scan though. | 03:10 |
| bengiul | then i apologise | 03:11 |
| golinux | Thank you for understanding | 03:11 |
| bengiul | for me serious log-scanning is in mailing lists | 03:11 |
| golinux | Your point of reference is not the center of the universe | 03:12 |
| onefang | I haven't gotten to scanning my morning mailing list backlog yet. | 03:12 |
| * onefang does so now. | 03:12 | |
| bengiul | o/ | 03:12 |
| golinux | Devuan has multiple channels where users can seek support. | 03:13 |
| bengiul | so yes my attempt to resolve the ubuntu->devuan package mess | 03:13 |
| bengiul | froze computer with 12GB used for aptitude | 03:13 |
| bengiul | who was the guy here who could make devuan images | 03:13 |
| bengiul | for ARM boxes | 03:13 |
| golinux | Better would be "the predicable ubuntu->devuan package mess" | 03:13 |
| bengiul | i'd donate a khadas VIM3 | 03:14 |
| bengiul | i think it would be 130€uro | 03:14 |
| golinux | Did you ever look at the forum link that discusses such a migration? You never commented on it. | 03:14 |
| bengiul | i can send home grown chili peppers too | 03:14 |
| bgstack15 | bengiul: that was ShorTie | 03:38 |
| bengiul | what | 03:50 |
| bengiul | no seriously how strictly close to support chat should we be here? | 03:50 |
| bengiul | i don't know | 03:50 |
| bengiul | my aptitude froze at 80 conflicts | 03:51 |
| bengiul | and all memory taken | 03:51 |
| bengiul | yeh i don't know | 03:52 |
| bengiul | bgstack15: have you done a devuan image for a new computer? | 03:52 |
| bengiul | the khadas vim3 is one of the nicest SBC's on the market | 03:52 |
| bengiul | and i guess... i'm not helping bringing devuan to it | 03:52 |
| bengiul | but i would like to! | 03:52 |
| bgstack15 | no, but ShorTie told me he likes to just debootstrap to an SD card for a raspberry pi. | 03:54 |
| bengiul | oh | 03:54 |
| bgstack15 | I think that sounds different than making an image though. | 03:55 |
| bengiul | there was someone here who expressed interest | 03:55 |
| bengiul | i am willing to negotiate a deal involving money | 03:55 |
| bengiul | to create a khadas vim3 devuan image that is plug-n-play | 03:56 |
| mason | bengiul: Have you mutated a Debian image appropriately? | 03:58 |
| mason | Seems like the best way to get something that works. | 03:58 |
| mason | Devuan is largely Debian, with things that have hard dependencies on systemd addressed various ways. | 03:58 |
| gnarface | bengiul: just out of curiosity, you're not running without swap, are you? | 04:25 |
| bengiul | all the free swap i can make | 04:25 |
| gnarface | as long as you at least have some | 04:26 |
| bengiul | 6.6GB | 04:26 |
| bengiul | yeah it's frozen an hour now | 04:26 |
| bengiul | i did it once, and it worked though! lol | 04:26 |
| bengiul | i'm typing on a machine i converted from ubuntu to devuan | 04:26 |
| bengiul | oh yeah | 04:27 |
| bengiul | anyone wants to make a devuan image for nvidia jetson nano | 04:27 |
| bengiul | i'll setup the crowdfund | 04:27 |
| bengiul | yeah if this takes more time, i'll study how to do a real fitting kernel build, and image | 04:29 |
| bengiul | i might be too stupid for that though | 04:29 |
| gnarface | that is covered by nouveau, right? | 04:30 |
| gnarface | you might be able to find patches in their irc channel, there might be a better place though | 04:30 |
| bengiul | this is arm, no nouveau | 04:34 |
| gnarface | is the jetson tk1/tx1 not arm? | 04:40 |
| gnarface | am i confused that this is the same? https://github.com/NVIDIA/tegra-nouveau-rootfs | 04:41 |
| gnarface | i may merely be confused by the fact it has nouveau in the name | 04:42 |
| bengiul | yes | 04:44 |
| bengiul | i only have the jetson nano | 04:44 |
| bengiul | they shipped ubuntu | 04:45 |
| bengiul | i managed to live convert it to devuan | 04:45 |
| bengiul | yay!? | 04:45 |
| gnarface | seems like a victory | 04:45 |
| bengiul | i know it's a silly thing :) | 04:45 |
| gnarface | mostly what you need is probably just kernel and u-boot patches that you can apply to the stock debian kernel source package | 04:45 |
| bengiul | if i were a good helpful person i'd make a devuan image for the jetson nano | 04:45 |
| bengiul | yeh | 04:46 |
| gnarface | (and the git u-boot) | 04:46 |
| bengiul | but i'm a very fallen person | 04:46 |
| bengiul | not like you guys | 04:46 |
| bengiul | is there a detective agency in the usa that offers an 'old friend serach'? | 05:10 |
| specing | it's called the mob | 05:15 |
| bengiul | lol | 05:15 |
| doolean | morning | 09:51 |
| Guest69061 | i'm looking for a non dbus dependent IRC client messenger, and irssi is the only one i've found | 10:57 |
| Guest69061 | i'm using it right now | 10:57 |
| Guest69061 | hoops! And weechat... | 11:00 |
| Guest69061 | https://weechat.org/about/screenshots/ | 11:00 |
| Guest69061 | i removed dbus from gnuinos jessie, and most of the main applications work | 11:09 |
| Guest69061 | i replaced wicd by simple-netaid and slim by a bash display manager named *tbsm* (i built the .deb packages for that yesterday) | 11:10 |
| Guest69061 | bbl | 11:11 |
| bnjf | there's irc clients that require dbus? o.O | 11:54 |
| aitor | hi again | 11:55 |
| aitor | i've just built hexchat without dbus | 11:55 |
| Guest64903 | bnjf: yes, most of them depend on it | 11:57 |
| Guest64903 | and also gksu... i'll replace it by a gtk version of ssh-askpass | 12:02 |
| Guest64903 | i'll also add it to beowulf as a replacement for the missing gksu | 12:03 |
| Guest64903 | recently i did a lot of changes in the live-sdk | 12:04 |
| Guest64903 | now it's possible to build images of devuan beowulf amd64 under devuan jessie i386, and vice versa | 12:05 |
| Guest64903 | because both debian-installer and syslinux are built within a separate minimal environment | 12:07 |
| Guest64903 | a minimal chrooted environment | 12:08 |
| Guest64903 | but, if you want to build an amd64 image under i386, you'll need to run an amd64 kernel, otherwise bootstrap'll fail | 12:10 |
| Guest64903 | need to go | 12:11 |
| some_alex | fsmithred: hi, any update on the missing .asc file? | 19:17 |
| tierce | hello, how can I install lxd on beowulf (if possible) ? thx | 20:01 |
| fylgje | maybe with sudo apt install task-lxde-desktop ? | 20:02 |
| tierce | not lxde … but lxd and lxc containers ^_^ | 20:03 |
| fylgje | try to find them with sudo apt search lxc or lxd .. i can see vagrant-lxc | 20:06 |
| bgstack15 | I have not heard of anybody doing that. It appears upstream really wants snaps (snapd) to be the main way to use lxd, and snapd depends on systemd, iirc. | 20:06 |
| fylgje | ufff, i can see lxc and a lot of stuff in Devuan's repositories ... :( | 20:07 |
| bgstack15 | lxc != lxd | 20:07 |
| fylgje | yes.. | 20:08 |
| bgstack15 | they're related, but not exactly the same thing. | 20:08 |
| fylgje | i can see lxc .. not lxd | 20:08 |
| bgstack15 | lxc should be possible, due to sufficiently modern kernel and generic userspace tools. Lxd, I don't expect to be readily available in a Devuan context. | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | some_alex, no. Sorry. I didn't get to talk to the right person. If you happen to have the one for beta3, the checksums are the same. (The beta3 files got renamed to RC.) | 20:08 |
| bgstack15 | https://stgraber.org/2017/01/18/lxd-on-debian/ is a good starting point. | 20:09 |
| bgstack15 | maybe join #lxcontainers here on freenode and see if any of those guys have lxd running from source | 20:09 |
| bgstack15 | Try the binary release from https://github.com/lxc/lxd/releases | 20:11 |
| frabbit | hi. the button layout or whatever is broken here now | 20:15 |
| frabbit | for example in pavucontrol, i cant see the blue lines to change volume | 20:15 |
| frabbit | nearly all is light grey there | 20:16 |
| frabbit | i changed everythinbg to default appearance and restartet xfce and slim but that doesnt help | 20:16 |
| frabbit | i hate this gui shit! | 20:16 |
| frabbit | how to get the buttons and stuff back? | 20:17 |
| tierce | thanks for the tips bgstack15 and fylgje | 20:17 |
| frabbit | firefox the same: no borders arround areas where you can type in, the name of a bookmark for example when you click on that star | 20:19 |
| frabbit | i didnt changed anything today, some of the packages i installed yesterday must changed something and even after my rollback their shitty settings are still here and break everything! | 20:20 |
| frabbit | the packages atm are the same that therer where on this computer before i installed the packages gnarface and fsmithred suggested me | 20:21 |
| frabbit | and before that i didnt had that problem | 20:21 |
| frabbit | isnt a clean and 100% rollback possible on gnu linux or what is the problem. | 20:24 |
| fylgje | ¿Did you play with Xfce themes? ... i think you can see them in Configurarion/Appearence | 20:27 |
| frabbit | fylgje: yeah i had problems here yesterday... but i rolled back the list of installed backages after testing some stuff. but it seems that some configs from the packages i installed to test are still there and cause problems now. weird cause my rollback script normally removes nearly all configs... | 20:34 |
| frabbit | desktop gui stuff is a mess.... | 20:35 |
| frabbit | this menu plugin shit broke it | 20:39 |
| frabbit | fuck! | 20:39 |
| frabbit | im so angry, it tooks always alot of my lifetime to kick out the bloated shit of stock installations of distributions,so i decided to install it minimal and build on that and i get stuck every two steps... | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, O | 20:43 |
| frabbit | since when devs give a damn shit of KISS principe? | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | I've seen PA blank until starting some audio application, then it connects | 20:43 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: it blank here all the time =( | 20:43 |
| frabbit | *its | 20:44 |
| frabbit | soe otehr weird things happend too: some checkboxes in firefox are tiny as hell now... | 20:44 |
| frabbit | *some other | 20:45 |
| frabbit | i need to bring this computer back to its owner in a few minutes... | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | what theme are you using? | 20:45 |
| frabbit | doesnt matter i tried several, always with restart xfce and slim after changing and its always the same | 20:46 |
| frabbit | tried the default one first | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | which default? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | xfce default or devuan default? | 20:47 |
| frabbit | also did a reboot | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | what color? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | purple, red or blue? | 20:47 |
| frabbit | raleigh | 20:48 |
| frabbit | and Default in window appaerance | 20:48 |
| frabbit | its grey | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, xfce default | 20:48 |
| frabbit | light grey | 20:48 |
| frabbit | windows95 grey... | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | brb | 20:49 |
| frabbit | ok | 20:49 |
| golinux | frabbit: On beowulf the default Xfce desktop should look like this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 20:55 |
| frabbit | golinux: i didnt installed the default stock thing i installed xfce the minimla way as it is described on frineds of devuan wiki | 20:56 |
| frabbit | on ascii 2.1 | 20:56 |
| frabbit | its light grey | 20:56 |
| golinux | friends of devuan wiki is no longer in use. You should have used the documentation on the website. | 20:57 |
| golinux | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy | 20:58 |
| frabbit | err.. what? | 20:58 |
| frabbit | what do u mean no longer in use? | 20:58 |
| golinux | For beowulf here: https://beta.devuan.org/os/packages | 20:58 |
| frabbit | fanboy is the same description | 20:58 |
| frabbit | same packages for minimal xfce | 20:59 |
| golinux | It has been pretty much abandoned. There are hopes of a new wiki soon. FoD is no longer linked to on devuan.org. | 20:59 |
| frabbit | so that doesnt matter here | 20:59 |
| frabbit | that is a xfce dev problem here | 20:59 |
| golinux | I have no idea if he upgraded FoD for ascii 2.1 | 20:59 |
| frabbit | software build that it runs not out of the box | 21:00 |
| frabbit | not with xfce or what "desktop-manager" ever... | 21:00 |
| golinux | afk | 21:00 |
| some_alex | fsmithred: oh indeed they are! beta3 is what I downloaded the previous time. I thought RC is a newer release after beta3 :) | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | we cheated | 21:02 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: any solution? tip? | 21:02 |
| some_alex | fsmithred: btw when is beowulf expected to become the new stable? I suppose it's soon since you have RC image | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | I believe there will be RC2 soon, and that should be all fixed | 21:04 |
| some_alex | do you have a readmap posted somewhere? | 21:04 |
| some_alex | roadmap* | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, if you only have a few minutes, I don't know the best solution. | 21:04 |
| fylgje | i think beowulf is stable ... i'm using Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres) | 21:04 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: can u tell please | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | "roadmap" suggests that we're not flying by the seat of our pants | 21:05 |
| fylgje | works nice, does not make my machine reboot ( iMac9,1 ), Xfce and Enlightenment | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, I do a minimal install and add xfce for my Refracta isos. I know it can work. | 21:07 |
| fylgje | kernel 5.6.0-1-amd64 , and the most stable Linux i used for a very long time | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | but I don't know exactly what you did. | 21:07 |
| some_alex | fsmithred: we are? o_O | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | got a link for the install guide you used? | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | pretty much, some_alex | 21:08 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: and it worked here but yesterday i had problems enable a drak design and gnarface and you told me to install some packeges to test arround. i purged them and today after boot i have this shit here. | 21:08 |
| some_alex | fsmithred: oh, why is this the case? What can one do to improve the situation? | 21:08 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i didnt changed anything else, i instalel dtehse packages you guys suggest, purged them and thats it | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | and now PA doesn't work and FF looks weird? | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | any other symptoms? | 21:09 |
| frabbit | for example other windows too | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | try a different desktop theme | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme | 21:10 |
| frabbit | i did | 21:10 |
| frabbit | as i wrote above | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | and you set that as the theme in two places? Appearance and Window Manager Settings | 21:11 |
| frabbit | i have default now here that worked BEFORE i installed and purged teh packages you and gnarface suggested, so it should work again does it? | 21:11 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yes | 21:11 |
| frabbit | efault and Raleigh | 21:11 |
| frabbit | *Default | 21:11 |
| frabbit | this desktop stuff should be blacklisted from all distribuitons... | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | lol | 21:12 |
| frabbit | =) | 21:12 |
| frabbit | people use dwm!1! | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | got a link to the guide you followed? | 21:13 |
| frabbit | for xfce minimal? | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 21:13 |
| frabbit | https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:minimal_xfce | 21:13 |
| frabbit | its the same proceder like fanboy wiki | 21:14 |
| frabbit | and it worked since yesterday | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | is xfconf installed? It's not in the list. | 21:14 |
| frabbit | these packages top menu whisker something must have broke something in some configs that doesnt changed back to default after i did rollback... | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | to get default, you can delete your user configs | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | rm -r ~/.config/xfce4 | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | then log out and log in | 21:15 |
| frabbit | xconf is here | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | or: rm -r ~/.config | 21:15 |
| frabbit | ok ill try that | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | to get rid of all user configs | 21:16 |
| frabbit | rm -r ~/.config o_0 hell no! | 21:16 |
| frabbit | why should i remove ALL configs? | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | well, it depends on how many apps you've messed with their settings | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | don't have to do that, but sometimes that's the way to go | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | not now | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't think | 21:17 |
| * frabbit wnat to stroke a "shiny fancy you really need that crap" gui dev | 21:17 | |
| frabbit | *choke | 21:17 |
| FrapeX | You could also just move the existing .config dir to see if the issue is resolved. If not, restore it. | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | big difference there | 21:17 |
| frabbit | dictionary... | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there's always the cautious approach: mv | 21:18 |
| frabbit | yeah choke | 21:18 |
| frabbit | FrapeX: yep do this now | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | stroke/strike works, too | 21:19 |
| frabbit | ok pavucontrol is still broken... | 21:21 |
| frabbit | firefox is ok again... geez | 21:23 |
| frabbit | this.is.a.mess. | 21:23 |
| frabbit | i only removed xfce conf | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | why do you need PA? | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | firefox configs would be in .mozilla | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | not in .config | 21:23 |
| FrapeX | and there is also .local dir. | 21:24 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i dont need it the person that this computer belongs to need it. bt that isnt the point here | 21:24 |
| FrapeX | just add a new user, and try with that | 21:24 |
| frabbit | i know as i said i removed ONLY xconf dir and now firefox is okay afain... | 21:24 |
| frabbit | *again | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | for me, that IS the point. I get rid of PA because it doesn't work for me most of the time. | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | so it was a theme issue affecting firefox | 21:25 |
| frabbit | no | 21:25 |
| FrapeX | doesnt firefox require PA these days? | 21:25 |
| frabbit | pa worked before without problems! | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | firefox-esr does not need PA | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | regular ff from mozilla does, and tor-browser does | 21:26 |
| FrapeX | ah! | 21:26 |
| frabbit | FrapeX: a create a new user same here.... | 21:26 |
| * FrapeX removes PA | 21:26 | |
| frabbit | *i | 21:26 |
| frabbit | pa is good for beginners to handle different input and output devices with only one programm | 21:27 |
| frabbit | easy to understand and to use | 21:27 |
| frabbit | on my laptop i have only alsa | 21:28 |
| frabbit | alsamixer, possibilty to configure microphone in mumbel, audacity etc. thats all i need | 21:28 |
| frabbit | *mumble | 21:28 |
| FrapeX | I agree. | 21:28 |
| frabbit | great "service slim stop" always fail | 21:54 |
| frabbit | and when u change back th tty7 devuan freezes | 21:55 |
| frabbit | *to | 21:55 |
| frabbit | so i need to do a hard power off with the possibility to loose data. awesome... | 21:57 |
| frabbit | what a great day.. | 21:57 |
| frabbit | it even fails to restart slim... | 22:03 |
| frabbit | but then it switches to tty7... | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | why are you stopping slim? | 22:06 |
| frabbit | .. | 22:06 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: because gnarface said yesterday that it could be possible that some desktop thing are loaded by slim | 22:07 |
| frabbit | doesnt matter just to be safe i do this | 22:07 |
| frabbit | i have pa here back | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | cool | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | slim restart has not worked for me in the last few releases | 22:08 |
| frabbit | and what the hack is that: i installed xfwm4-themes and gtk2-engine-xfce | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | I think it worked back in squeeze | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | gtk2-engines gtk3-engines-xfce ? | 22:08 |
| frabbit | but now the clue: i did already tested these images to bring it back and it doesnt worked! i even rebooted! | 22:08 |
| frabbit | gtk2-engine-xfce | 22:08 |
| frabbit | *gtk2-engines-xfce | 22:09 |
| frabbit | what is that? | 22:09 |
| frabbit | thats totally weird | 22:09 |
| frabbit | totally shit | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | helps some of the themes work better | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | there's another one just for the murrine themes | 22:09 |
| frabbit | yeah but it wasnt there on minimal install and pavucontrol wasnt broken there | 22:09 |
| frabbit | exhausting shit these gui things... | 22:10 |
| frabbit | and not transparent what it is doing and why | 22:10 |
| frabbit | *sigh* | 22:10 |
| frabbit | firefox is fixed too | 22:11 |
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